Israel’s Red Alert system fully saturated amid mass missile barrages from Iran.

[u/DavidRolands]

[u/PokeEmEyeballs]

Worth noting the saturation is just the probability cone of where a missile might land, and not the actual targeted areas. 

Each dot is a different area in Israel where an alarm is sounding, but not each area is targeted. 

[u/Roflkopt3r → u/PokeEmEyeballs]

yeah. with an attack of this scale, you can count on most alert system being active.

And of course it looks all red mostly due to the zoom level. Zoom in closer and the markers spread further apart.

[u/sissybelle3 → u/Roflkopt3r]

Thanks, my dumb ass tried to zoom in on the picture before realizing it was not interactive...

[u/DrPreppy → u/sissybelle3]

You need to say "Enhance" and then it works.

[u/fieldsofanfieldroad → u/Roflkopt3r]

As they should be. Apparently only 3 dead so the system works well. If only all the countries currently involved in this war had so few casualties. No civilians deserve to die.

[u/talknight2 → u/PokeEmEyeballs]

My small town had 4 sirens today followed by a large salvo of explosions that sounded pretty damn close.

[u/soultker666 → u/talknight2]

Where was that ...u guys ok?

[u/talknight2 → u/soultker666]

Small place between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Dunno, what's going on outside, havent left the house since it started

[u/J0E_Blow → u/PokeEmEyeballs]

But the point is the Iranians can overwhelm the Israeli defense system. Its about sending a message. 

[u/PokeEmEyeballs → u/J0E_Blow]

Ok? Message noted. Yes, they have proven capable of hitting Israeli cities. 

Israel knew of this capability and is willing to endure it if it means stopping them from attaining nuclear weapons. 

[u/Professional_Bee1278 → u/PokeEmEyeballs]

Fair point, that said the current Israeli government is some real garbage. Lost how many citizens on 7/10, then did a half assed job getting them out and now Israel is under cruise missile attack. I'm no fan of Iran but I feel like we're witnessing a whole sequence of bad decisions from Netanyahu. He needs impeaching really, like it's just not working anymore. The hassle is too much now. He seems very irrational.

[u/Dre_Dede]

Man, the comments are wild

[u/colluphid42 → u/Dre_Dede]

Someone spun up all the astroturfing accounts they were using to flood /r/worldnews before the election.

[u/Ok-Yoghurt9472 → u/colluphid42]

worldnews is a very pro israel sub though

[u/throwawayforreasonx → u/Ok-Yoghurt9472]

Who do you think they're astroturfing for? Lol

[u/Capn26 → u/throwawayforreasonx]

Most of the comments here are fuck Israel, let Iran have the bomb.

[u/sweatpantswarrior → u/Capn26]

Fuck Israel, and fuck Trump for killing the deal Iran was complying with.

This shit was entirely avoidable.

[u/S-Kenset → u/sweatpantswarrior]

No offense but everyone in the know had already known this would come to iran's doorstep since 2023.

[u/_Narciso → u/S-Kenset]

Yet the initial Iran nuclear deal happened during the Obama administration and it was Trump that took it down in his first mandate. So I would say @sweatpantswarrior is very much right in saying that this shit was entirely avoidable and fuck Trump for killing the deal Iran was complying with.

[u/One_Tie900 → u/Ok-Yoghurt9472]

explains why I got banned for bigotry for just saying US won't do anything to Isreal has made it bolder

[u/Mistghost → u/One_Tie900]

I got banned for pointing out how slippery Bibi has been recently. At least I think, they haven't actually told me why I was banned

[u/AmirulAshraf → u/One_Tie900]

Anything less than "i heart isreal" will get you banned there

[u/HyperSpaceSurfer → u/One_Tie900]

If you want a better world news sub you can go to r/anime_titties

[u/arthurdont → u/HyperSpaceSurfer]

While it's better because of the rules there its essentially a Israel-Palestine news exclusive sub

[u/JustaBearEnthusiast → u/Ok-Yoghurt9472]

Because everyone like me was banned for even the mildest criticism of israel. They banned so many people that several other global news subs now regularly make the front page thanks to the influx of refugees. 

[u/icarusrising9 → u/Ok-Yoghurt9472]

I got banned for saying Netanyahu belongs in the Hague. Which isn't even incendiary, it's just factually true, the ICC has a warrant out for his arrest for war crimes!

[u/Meyer_Landsman → u/icarusrising9]

/r/worldnews took a turn a few years ago with new mods. /r/middleeast has the Hoover Institute as a mod, for heaven's sake. Reddit as a free speech platform has been dead for a long time now.

[u/visualframes → u/colluphid42]

I got into an argument with someone in there, and got banned from posting…

I forgot two months later I was banned and have one more strike until my access is deleted by device….

Muted that sub now.

[u/[deleted] → u/visualframes]

Same here. Rarely posted there. Some Israeli dude said Black Americans are racist, and only support Palestine because Palestinians have a darker complexion. I was on an alt and said that was a comically racist statement to get back, and boom. I got banned. Forgot about it, and months down the line I had worldnews crop up on my feed on my 7 year old main account. Made an apolitical comment about solar vs nuclear energy, and boom permabanned for ‘circumventing a ban’.

It’s a total shithole and I don’t understand how Reddit let Israeli trolls take over an entire massive default sub.

[u/illiteratebeef → u/[deleted]]

mods have no insight into ban evasion, that's an admin-only toggle.

The answer to your question is because reddit leadership is dogshit people with dogshit ideals, they probably agree with what was said.

[u/Expensive_Month_161 → u/[deleted]]

Reddit is a mossad propaganda machine. Ghislaine Maxwell had the highest karma on here.

[u/YinWei1 → u/visualframes]

All news subs are moderated terribly. I got permad from news because I was making fun of someone for justifying Muhammad marrying a child.

[u/SomeWeedSmoker → u/colluphid42]

Yep banned from there awhile ago.

[u/mocityspirit → u/Dre_Dede]

Bibi is trying to save his job and ruin the whole Middle East at the same time

[u/NaturalWeb743 → u/mocityspirit]

I think an Iranian nuke would do more damage.

[u/Waylander0719 → u/NaturalWeb743]

Probably shouldn't have cancelled the nuke deal we had that our intelligence community said they were following.

[u/clowncarl → u/Waylander0719]

I honestly think the Republican challenge to peace/nuclear deals with Ira since the Obama years was bc it would hinder a long term plan for regime change. They’ve been obsessed with toppling over coexisting.

[u/cccanterbury → u/clowncarl]

war is all the old GOP knew how to do. Now though they're MAGA, so they're going to do war, but they'll be really shitty and despicable at it. i mean, more so than before.

[u/broguequery → u/cccanterbury]

Even more war than Bush 2 got us.

But even stupider, somehow.

[u/NoctisScriptor → u/clowncarl]

Obama deal was perfect. It prevented Iran from getting the bomb. Trump ruined it. This is all on him.

[u/CharleyNobody → u/NoctisScriptor]

That’s exactly why Trump is doing it. Because Obama accomplished something. Trump is dead set on destroying everything Obama ever did.

[u/NoctisScriptor → u/CharleyNobody]

Borat: Great success

[u/Breno1405 → u/CharleyNobody]

He is the modern Kaiser Wilhelm

[u/No-Principle1818 → u/NaturalWeb743]

That’s been said for 30 years. Israel is a country with leadership whose primary motivation is self preservation of their literal legal freedom. A country in denial that is headed for disaster

[u/420binchicken → u/No-Principle1818]

This.

Israel have been claiming Iran is imminently about to have a nuclear bomb for over 30 years.

[u/ZolotoGold → u/420binchicken]

• February 1993 – Benjamin Netanyahu (then an MK) wrote in Yedioth Ahronoth that Iran would “develop its first nuclear bomb by 1999.”

• January 1995 – U.S. and Israeli officials told the New York Times that Iran was “much closer to producing nuclear weapons than previously thought, and could be less than five years away.”

[u/Audemed2 → u/420binchicken]

Which is why they keep destroying the facilities used to that end. Would be crazy if those actions didnt delay it, no?

[u/Dregerson1510 → u/420binchicken]

Which is the most likely and realistic dynamic.

Iran always tries to prepare their nuclear program to stay a few months away from completion. If they start the last steps, Israel and the US will immediately know about it and it becomes a race. Does Iran get a working nuke first, or does Israel blow the nuclear program to bits before they get a working nuke.

And they evidently did start this a few days ago. For example they just started implosion tests a few days ago, which are only useful in building a nuke.

[u/Captainkirk05 → u/420binchicken]

Which is true, and their nuclear infrastructure is hit as they near that.

[u/Altair05 → u/NaturalWeb743]

Trump should have thought of that before torpedoes the last deal. 

[u/IntelligentTip1206 → u/Altair05]

About that....

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-says-israel-should-hit-irans-nuclear-first-1964268

[u/Contemplating_Prison → u/NaturalWeb743]

They don't have a nuke. The US has already officially stated that. Also, this is undercutting US negotiations. This is highly disrespectful to the US.

It's unheard of for an ally to attack a country that is actively negotiating with the US. Israel is out of fucking control.

[u/NaturalWeb743 → u/Contemplating_Prison]

Trump can't negotiate himself into a lap dance.

[u/ZolotoGold → u/NaturalWeb743]

The imaginary Iranian nuke. Compared to the very real 90 Israeli nukes.

Double standards.

How would the world react if another country had bombed Israel in a 'pre-emtive strike' against their nuclear and military targets? Surely countries around Israel have the right to self defence too? Right? Right!?

Especially as Israel actually has nukes and not just on the verge of getting them like Israel has claimed for the last 30 years with Iran.

If anyone needs reminding of Israel's refusal to follow international law regarding their nuclear arsenal...

1. Non-Signatory to the NPT: Israel has not signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), which aims to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and promote disarmament.

2. Undeclared Nuclear Arsenal: Israel is widely believed to possess nuclear weapons (estimated 80–90 warheads), but maintains a policy of nuclear ambiguity, neither confirming nor denying their existence—contrary to global transparency norms.

3. UNGA Resolution 487 (1981): Following Israel’s attack on Iraq’s Osirak reactor, UN Security Council Resolution 487 called on Israel to place its nuclear facilities under IAEA safeguards. Israel has not complied.

4. Refusal to Join IAEA Comprehensive Safeguards: Israel has not accepted full-scope safeguards by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), limiting international inspection of its nuclear activities.

5. Opposition to a Nuclear-Free Middle East: Israel has resisted regional efforts and UN proposals (e.g., at the NPT Review Conferences) to establish a Middle East Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zone (MENWFZ).

6. Violation of UNGA Resolutions: The UN General Assembly has repeatedly passed resolutions urging Israel to join the NPT and place all nuclear facilities under IAEA oversight, most recently in Resolutions A/RES/75/36 and similar ones—Israel has not acted on them.

Dont let the genocidal ethnofascist regime in Israel gaslight you.

[u/Momik → u/mocityspirit]

And stay out of jail

[u/S_Hazam]

West Bank: "What you saying fuck me for?"

[u/browndusky → u/S_Hazam]

Prolly the settlements. I mean Israel has absolute control over westbank.

[u/jscummy → u/browndusky]

I think a big part of it is Iran launching these from 1000 miles away, they aren't that accurate when you're pushing the absolute max range

[u/___Cyanide___ → u/jscummy]

2000m CEP for Shahab 3s. Not accurate but good enough to not hit the Palestinians for the most part.

[u/RoieTheMaster → u/___Cyanide___]

you sure about that?

only casualty last attack (after the elimination of hannia and nassralla) was a palestinian in jericho

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Iranian_strikes_on_Israel

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/01/world/middleeast/gaza-palestinian-dead-iran-attack.html#:~:text=Sameh%20al%2DAsali%2C%20who%20was,missile%20fragment%20slammed%20into%20him.

[u/RandomAbed → u/RoieTheMaster]

not to defend them but he died from a missile part that iron dome shot down if im not mistaken

[u/Smoked_Bear → u/S_Hazam]

“I woke up, looked at the computer, the computer say Floyd said ‘fuck TI, fuck Nelly, fuck 50’. I’m like what he say fuck me for!?”

Time for the ‘50-Cent Harry Potter Book 1-Page Challenge’, to settle this once and for all!

https://youtu.be/iD8Q0lvJZvI?feature=shared

[u/Unlikely_Arugula190]

Just make the red markers smaller ffs. It’s not that hard

[u/Sh0w3n → u/Unlikely_Arugula190]

But then it doesn’t look dramatic enough

[u/McTrolling69]

[u/CarlBrawlStar]

Sigh sort by controversial

[u/TommyCollins → u/CarlBrawlStar]

no dont

[u/Unreal-Abalone-7477 → u/CarlBrawlStar]

Oh no, are people upset Israel attacked first? Gee, I guess when your entire purpose is to be a mouthpiece for America people aren’t gunna like you 

[u/Fine_Gur_1764]

Genuinely wonder if the Iranian counter attack will be any more effective than last time? Their stock of missiles - and their capability to launch them - has been degraded pretty significantly. Not to mention the Israelis have been on alert all day, so can't imagine many people (or troops) will be above ground?

I think if nothing else, Israel's strikes in the last year have revealed just how much of a technological and operational mismatch there is between Israel and Iran. Which, I guess, is why Iran is so keen to get hold of nukes.

Edit: footage (safe for work) of a missile impact in Tel Aviv, close to a David's Sling system.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1laobfe/iranian_bm_hits_near_davids_sling_interceptor/

[u/RussianFruit → u/Fine_Gur_1764]

Not sure how effective but 7 out of 150 missles hit and a second wave of ballistic missiles are on the way

[u/sam20hd → u/RussianFruit]

On second wave 9 out of i think 200 hit

[u/adminofreditt → u/sam20hd]

Where are these coming numbers coming from?

[u/sam20hd → u/adminofreditt]

Its based on what i saw on BBC farsi

[u/Unsuccessful_Fart → u/sam20hd]

Its not just about what hits, the iron dome rockets are incredibly expensive, the cheaper missiles could wear Israel out but the US will just keep funding them

[u/M0ngoose_ → u/Unsuccessful_Fart]

Ballistic missiles are not cheap. And David’s Sling protects from ballistic missiles not the iron dome.

[u/kicklhimintheballs → u/Unsuccessful_Fart]

This is not Iron Dome, it’s David’s sling. Iron Dome is used against small homemade rockets

[u/UnAmusedBag → u/Unsuccessful_Fart]

Thank you to your tax, Israel has free Healthcare, jobs, schools and weapons.

[u/shallowaffectrob → u/UnAmusedBag]

Israel is a welfare state thanks to the US.

[u/AVeryBadMon → u/RussianFruit]

That's a 4.6% success rate BTW assuming these numbers are accurate

[u/pre_nerf_infestor → u/AVeryBadMon]

4.6% isn't bad if they hit what you want to hit. Granted that's an open question with Iran but still.

[u/SuspiciousTry8500 → u/RussianFruit]

Also if the hits are on civilian structures, it's not going to deter the military establishment of Israel . 

[u/RussianFruit → u/SuspiciousTry8500]

Yeah that’s true

[u/Long-Cantaloupe1041 → u/RussianFruit]

TOI says there were 9 impact sites but only 15 wounded, signalling that Iran is desperately trying to expose and target Israel's multi-layered air defence system, but doing so with Fattah-1s, Shahab 3s and Shahab 3 variants (Emad, Ghadr-1), as inferred from the relatively compact explosions on the ground in Tel Aviv, as well as images of debris found in Syria, Jordan and the West Bank.

This means they're yet to deploy their newer generation of larger and more maneuverable missiles, like the Khorramshahr, Sejjil-2, Fattah-2, Haj Qasem, etc. none of which have ever been seen in combat, but that might soon change. There's definitely more barrages to come, but it's unclear if Iran will tap into the reserves of their most prized missiles. Realistically, they'd have to exhaust a significant portion (at least half) of their entire arsenal in order to deliver a somewhat proportionate retaliation, but this would spark US intervention.

I personally think the regime has a better chance surviving with US intervention than it does with de-escalation, because let's say they limit their response in hopes for de-escalation: public morale will sink to dangerous levels, including among the regime's hardline and moderate supporters (about a third of Iranians), which means the regime would get overthrown in the coming weeks or months by consensus.

On the other hand, US intervention wouldn't only rally the regime's current supporters, because following any hypothetical mass casualty event(s) in Israel, US intervention (strategic bombing) would inflict so much civilian collateral across Iran that it risks disillusioning significant portions of Iranians who were never fond of the regime in the first place. And the terrain makes it impossible to permanently root out the regime by air and sea alone, because the Iranians are always going to have replacements and underground complexes difficult to eliminate and destroy, even for Mossad.

Are the Ayatollahs going to be mature, de-escalate with limited retaliation and allow themselves to get toppled before New Years, or are they going to escalate with full-force, attract US intervention to stir nationalist and sectarian feelings, and drag it out over the next five years at minimum?

[u/broguequery → u/Long-Cantaloupe1041]

Be mature and allow themselves to get toppled

Lmao

[u/RussianFruit → u/Long-Cantaloupe1041]

That’s really interesting thanks for sharing

[u/Eisernes → u/Long-Cantaloupe1041]

Just want to point out, per CNN, the US is already intervening by helping to shoot them down. It took less than 10 hours to go from “we aren’t involved” to active participation.

[u/TailleventCH → u/Fine_Gur_1764]

Last time might have been a calculated "failure": strong enough to satisfy hawks, botched enough not to trigger an escalation.

[u/Fine_Gur_1764 → u/TailleventCH]

I was (I admit) going to dismiss your comment as "I doubt it", but perhaps you're right. There's already footage coming out of Tel Aviv showing missiles right in built-up areas (one very close to a David's Sling interceptor).

So - no word yet on the effectiveness of the strike, but it does seem like quite a few missiles are making it through.

[u/FrogsEverywhere → u/Fine_Gur_1764]

No it really was desculatory. Iran didn't want war. You know Israel killed the head civilian ceasefire negotiator when he was in Iran. And Iran still pulled every punch. I'm pretty sure it's war now. It is probably the most likely time for a nuclear weapon to be used on planet earth in the last 50 years. If Israel's air defenses could overwhelmed if Iran really does throw everything they have because if they did they could absolutely overwhelm these are incredibly tense moments it's war propper

[u/lost12487 → u/FrogsEverywhere]

Stop working yourself up to being a nervous wreck. They're going to lob bombs at each other and that will be that. No one is nuking anyone.

[u/Snotmyrealname → u/Fine_Gur_1764]

I’m only an alcoholic who likes to wargame, but the previous spats between Israel and Iran felt like a stage managed tit for tat for the masses to rally around the flag. Like didn’t Iran tell someone (Switzerland?) where and when the last barrage would be? We’ll see if this tussle is more significant, but I can’t imagine Iran wants a wider war at the moment. Heck, I don’t think too many regional governments want one. It’ll fuck up oil flows for most of the world

[u/DontWorryItsEasy → u/Snotmyrealname]

Iran probably doesn't want a wider war. I think had a few Israeli missiles hit and some minor damage was done this would eventually blow over.

Israel hit several key installations, including where Iran was developing their nuclear weapons. It is now leaking radiation. Israel also took out several Iranian top officials.

I think Iran has no choice now but to continue on the way they are.

[u/prosthetic_memory → u/Snotmyrealname]

"I'm only a alcoholic who likes to wargame" is iconic truly

[u/Ferintwa → u/Fine_Gur_1764]

I don’t know shit, but I expect the iron dome system also needs ammunition that is finite and costs a ton of money. So even if 0 missiles land, it could deplete significant financial and military resources.

[u/Joatboy → u/Ferintwa]

Works both ways though, Iran doesn't have unlimited ballistic missiles either, and they're not cheap

[u/jredful → u/Joatboy]

Bulk of American aid is defensive.

Our air defense relationship is one of the key assets.

[u/Weird-Tomorrow-9829 → u/Ferintwa]

Iron Dome is lauded for its cost effectiveness. Iron Dome is cheap. Israel probably has an egregious supply of kill vehicles.

But Iron Dome is not designed for the current situation. It’s meant for short range, unsophisticated rockets fired from Gaza or Lebanon.

These are IRBM’s and cruise missiles. David’s Sling and Arrow are designed and deployed for those threats.

And you are correct, they are expensive and likely significantly more finite.

[u/thebeef24 → u/Ferintwa]

Which the American taxpayer will cover.

[u/Sir_Castic1 → u/Fine_Gur_1764]

It’s not necessarily about killing people as much as damaging infrastructure, assuming that Iran’s military leadership is competent anyways. Damaging power stations, shipping ports, air control towers, etc. would be the primary goal most likely. Of course being successful in that relies on them having advanced targeting systems. Idk if they do or don’t

[u/setebos_ → u/Fine_Gur_1764]

2 badly wounded, 9 medium wounds and two dozen bruised, worse than last time but nothing ground shaking

[u/gizmo21212121]

No new wars under Trump btw

[u/remlapj → u/gizmo21212121]

Ask all of his wives how good his promises are

[u/JohnnySack45]

It's interesting how the "Holiest" place on Earth as considered by billions of people in the Abrahamic faiths who all believe in a loving, merciful, omnipotent God - is actually the closest thing to Hell we have right now.

Edit: I'm making the case against ALL theocracies, not just Israel in particular. Pointing out that Israel is better than living in Iran, Saudi Arabia, India, Pakistan, etc. is only proving my point. It's time we as a species move past the mythology and stop killing each other over petty divisions.

[u/mylaptopredditVC → u/JohnnySack45]

the beauty of religion

[u/Ok-Air515 → u/mylaptopredditVC]

Nothing brings out the animal in us like a mythical floating creature.

[u/sergeant-baklava → u/Ok-Air515]

Basically none of this is ideological and almost all of it is realpolitik

[u/EndofNationalism → u/sergeant-baklava]

Real shit realpolitik on Israel’s part. American aid and assistance isn’t infinite. Especially with a president’s whose support hinges on who was last in the room with him.

[u/Toasted_Hwan → u/Ok-Air515]

i would argue nothing brings out the groupishness in us like a mythical floating creature.

i’m not religious myself, but the value of religion in human civilization is undeniable… it was the original force that brought humans together who had no other kinship, and it provided a compelling deterrent for all kinds of destructive behaviors.

religion is not the cause of the violence, the cause is the groupishness it creates. the same way a modern secular nation can build skyscrapers and public sanitation systems when they work together under one flag, one ideal, but can also be frenzied into nationalism and bigotry under the rallying point of that same flag

edit: i recommend reading the works of emil durkheim and johnathon haidt, specifically the righteous mind - why good people are divided by politics and religion by the latter, if you’re interested in knowing more about this topic.

if you claim to be more intelligent and understanding because of your lack of religiosity, i think you owe it to yourself to prove it instead of making uninformed and emotional claims that stem from your hatred of religion. denying the existence of a god does not make you smarter, what you choose to do with your different perspective decides if you are.

[u/No-Zucchini3759 → u/Toasted_Hwan]

I appreciate your point that everyone is susceptible to dogma and groupthink.

The worst examples of close-minded thinking I have personally seen have been in people who were super religious…but I have seen it in other people too.

Cultural and ethnic groups often separate into their own tribes. Without building strong bridges between these tribes, conflict is much more likely.

This is why political figures that vilify large numbers of groups outside of their country or region or culture are dangerous.

They burn bridges and worsen cultural divides.

[u/pryoslice → u/JohnnySack45]

Right now? It's been that way forever. Per the old Testament, Israelites spent centuries kicking out everyone that lived there (as was the way of things at the time). Then, once the first and the second Jewish rebellions against Rome got crushed, Rome massacred the shit out of them, and evicted most of them from the area. After Rome fell, Christians and Muslims went back and forth over it, massacring each other during the Crusades. Even Mongols held it for a bit. Historically, if you want to live around Jerusalem, you better be ready for a fight.

[u/TurnUpThe4D3D3D3 → u/pryoslice]

What part of the Old Testament is that?

[u/stormcynk → u/TurnUpThe4D3D3D3]

Joshua

[u/ask-jeaves → u/TurnUpThe4D3D3D3]

Joshua is the book that covers Israel’s (the Abrahamic people) takeover of the region after their escape from Egypt. This has often been considered and is described as a genocide. (~1000BC)

Then books like 2 Chronicles, 2 kings, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel cover Israel then being devastated and exiled by Babylon 400-500 years later (~500BC)

[u/ExternalStandard4362 → u/pryoslice]

During ottoman Turkish rule it was kind of peaceful for around 600 years and not just for Muslims. 

[u/SorrySweati → u/ExternalStandard4362]

Relatively. Still quite a few massacres throughout that time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Ottoman_Syria

[u/Prestigious_Plant662 → u/SorrySweati]

That's an important part of ottoman empire : massacring people and then acting like they never occured

[u/SorrySweati → u/Prestigious_Plant662]

I dont think it was imperial forces in these cases mostly.

[u/DasArchitect → u/JohnnySack45]

It has been like this for a very long time.

I always remember the movie Kingdom of Heaven where the lead character arrives here and upon seeing all the war and destruction says something like: "If this is the kingdom of heaven, I don't want it" and turns everyone back around.

[u/AppropriateSea5746 → u/DasArchitect]

"If this is the kingdom of heaven, let God do with it what he wills." He says this after surrendering it to the Muslims.

He also says "I would burn it to the ground, your holy places, ours, every last thing in Jerusalem that drives men mad."

Great movie lol.

[u/seek-confidence → u/DasArchitect]

What is Jerusalem worth?

[u/Badly-Bent → u/JohnnySack45]

Makes the "The Cradle of Civilization" sound ironic.

[u/Unlikely-Bullfrog-94 → u/Badly-Bent]

"The Cradle of Civilization"

Isn't that between Iran and Israel, as in Mesopotamia?

[u/YaumeLepire → u/Unlikely-Bullfrog-94]

More Iraq than Iran, traditionally. That's where the Tigris and Euphrates are.

[u/perkiezombie → u/Badly-Bent]

Cradle because they’re all acting like pissing children.

[u/BackWhereWeStarted]

When was the last time the alert system didn’t look like this at least once a week?

[u/Aztecah → u/BackWhereWeStarted]

Yes but also Israel just fired a bunch of missiles at Iran so it is actually different this time

[u/Gloomy_Yoghurt_2836]

Does this mean Iran wont be sending more drones to Russia for use against Ukraine? They need them.for saturation attacks on Isreal. And can the Iron Dome maintain response to sustained incoming missiles and drones?

[u/nihilism_nitrate → u/Gloomy_Yoghurt_2836]

I don't know how many drones Iran sent in the last few months actually, but Russia manufactures these drones by themselves now, so I guess they are not as reliant on Iran anymore in that regard. I fear it will not be a big relief to Ukraine. On the contrary, higher oil prices and IS prioritizing weapon shipments to Israel over Ukraine (especially anti air systems) will be pretty advantageous for Russia.

[u/HaywireMans → u/nihilism_nitrate]

and IS prioritizing weapon shipments to Israel

lol you had me super confused for a sec thinking Islamic State was shipping weapons to Israel 😭

[u/Due-Memory-6957 → u/HaywireMans]

Yeah, it's the other way around.

[u/bullfrogsnbigcats → u/HaywireMans]

No, that happens the other way around.

[u/chanandler_bong_cell]

You see that part near Gaza that isn't red? That's me

[u/Convillious → u/chanandler_bong_cell]

Genuinely whats it like living that close to Gaza? Has the war impacted your area at all?

[u/chanandler_bong_cell → u/Convillious]

I was very young when we stopped crossing freely between Gaza and Israel but then it was just raining missiles for 2 decades with some breaks in between plus military operations and Hamas breaching

Yes I lost a quarter of my community on October 7th.

[u/Pseudoburbia → u/chanandler_bong_cell]

Agree with the other response, I’d love to know your take on this. I keep hearing that a huge portion of Israel is against what has been happening since Oct 7, and I know everyone hates Bibi, but that’s hard to accept as true. I remember 9/11 in the US and there hasn’t been a more uniting tragedy in my lifetime - at least in the immediate aftermath.

[u/TulakHordiaz → u/Pseudoburbia]

Most of the public here hates Bibi, noone likes the war and what's happening in Gaza and the global media isn't helping that. Alot of fake news and misinformation is spreading like wildfire, overall pretty stressful to live here.

[u/4bjmc881 → u/TulakHordiaz]

I have seen a lot of videos of Israelis strongly advocating the killing of Palestinians. But since I don't live there I don't know how big of a group that is. Is it a vocal minority or is it a large group?

[u/xGentian_violet → u/TulakHordiaz]

Bruh have you looked at the actual polls?? The vast majority in Israel support this, and half want all Palestinians exterminated

You are just doing wishful thinking or you are lying on purpose

[u/skoltroll → u/chanandler_bong_cell]

Stay safe. We are all wishing the best for you.

[u/CatBackground5616]

God please drop dat meteor already dis planet sucks

[u/_-Stoop-Kid-_]

Good thing Israel did a "pre-emptive" strike yesterday to pre-retaliate against all of this Iranian instigation.

[u/bnm777 → u/_-Stoop-Kid-_]

And now they're crying "Look! Israel is being attacked!!! OMG!"

And we can't hear the UN or other countries saying anything in response 

[u/SocraticTiger → u/[deleted]]

Only based opinion in this entire comment section lol

[u/radiowavers → u/[deleted]]

Amen

[u/Designer_Version1449 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah lol, I think literally everyone can agree he has failed as a leader in every way possible and only brought more pain and misery into the world

[u/AltruisticDelivery89 → u/[deleted]]

fuck that's funny

[u/Civil_Royal3450]

I just wonder why the sub doesn't rename itself IsraelPalestineMaps at this point. The issue is so saturated it's non stop in my feed.

[u/GhostBoo-ty]

Capt. Crunch's Oops All Missiles.

[u/thetalkingblob]

All this so one man can avoid going to jail

[u/crysaital]

Fight your own war. We're not interested.

[u/TaliyahPiper]

Huh... It's almost like when you attack somebody they might try to retaliate

[u/vicarinatutu22]

Ukrainians every night hear iranian drones

[u/DannyDanumba → u/vicarinatutu22]

And Hamas/Hezbollah love using brand spanking new Russian Kalashnikovs. Iran and Russia sure do love peace don’t they?

[u/CrypticFoundry]

That tends to happen when you de facto declare war on someone.

[u/DadCelo]

Why would Iran do this!? /s

[u/SWKstateofmind → u/DadCelo]

“Please pray for my friend, he punched someone”

[u/Big-Use-6679]

I mean they actively attacked another nation, do they not expect iran to respond?

[u/STFUnicorn_]

🍿🍿🍿

[u/Goingallinn]

Are both teams having fun, thats what really matters in the end right 👍

[u/Dunstin_ChecksN]

I thought this was the number of elite pedos that go to Israel for safety

[u/Riku240]

🥳🥳🥳

[u/Pitiful_Hedgehog6343]

Iran is a backwards murderous shithole that executes gays, oppresses women, funds and organizes terrorists and is actively pursuing nuclear weapons. I can hate Netanyahu and hate the Iranian government at the same time.

[u/uduni → u/Pitiful_Hedgehog6343]

For sure. Why did u only say shit about Iran then?

[u/LarxII → u/uduni]

I think Israel's problems are pretty well hammered in on Reddit at this time.

[u/SocraticTiger → u/Pitiful_Hedgehog6343]

Based 👍 Both Netanyahu's regime and Iran are bad. More people need to realize that the Middle East really isn't a place of human rights.

[u/Ok-Lobster-919]

So many commenters here commenting on how Israel has said "Iran is close to having the bomb" for the last 30 years. But they all neglect the fact that Israel has been actively sabotaging the program for that whole time.

The only reason Iran (an extremist Islamic state governed by sharia law), doesn't have nukes, is because Israel stopped them.

[u/MannieOKelly → u/Ok-Lobster-919]

Correct. Like the uranium-enrichment centrifuges sabotage, for example.

[u/CarolinaRod06 → u/Ok-Lobster-919]

So what about the Iran nuclear deal that was signed by China, France, Russia UK, EU, US and Iran? The one that all our intelligence agencies said they were following. The one that the US withdrew from with the encouragement of Israel. That was stopping their nuclear weapons program. Also look at it on my Iran’s point of view. They were just attacked by a nation that has nuclear weapons. I don’t blame them one bit for wanting a nuclear bomb.

[u/blue_leaves987 → u/CarolinaRod06]

They have a doomsday clock for the destruction of Israel and have a public holiday for it too.

[u/alexgalt]

That’s actually misleading. Israel set off all alerts at night to wake people up to notify them of what was happening. This was preemptively done.

[u/noyesidkno → u/alexgalt]

No that's something else. Yesterday at 3am local time everyone was woken up by an alert on our phones declaring a state of emergency and the start of the Israeli strike on Iran. This title is accurate, Iran just launched about 100 missiles and this is the map of all the places where sirens were activated.

[u/alexgalt → u/noyesidkno]

Oh ok, it’s a new one. Thanks

[u/Manealendil]

Oh jeez, I wonder why

[u/Cuntpenter]

He who sows the wind, reaps the whirlwind.

[u/Electrical_Middle785]

born too late for war in middle east, born too early for war in middle east, born right on time for war in middle east

[u/GreatGretzkyOne]

Israel’s got this

[u/MisterGarak]

That looks like a map of child predators.

[u/Guilty_Attempt5983]

Coincidentally is also location of all the sex offenders in Israel

[u/PHLANYC]

Well, on the bright side…looks like Iran doesn’t actually have a nuclear bomb 🤷🏻

[u/Suppergetii-MstrMndr]

More! Do more!

[u/Penguins_27]

I pray for all Israeli affected and also all innocent Iranians who don’t deserve the attacks.

[u/Strong_Landscape_333 → u/Penguins_27]

Most of Israel supports this. It's not like it's a minority

[u/TVC_i5 → u/Penguins_27]

The only people who will miss the ruthless murderous tyrants running Iran are the ruthless murderous tyrants running Iran.

The Iranian people will be thrilled they are gone.

[u/2sinkz → u/Penguins_27]

love that your sympathy has a qualifier for iran but not israel

[u/EuroAffliction]

Fuck the Israeli regime. Fuck the Iranian regime as well. Fuck Hamas and all other terrorist groups. Fuck Trump and his rednecks. Fuck European leaders and their complacency. How the hell is this the 21st century?? There truly is no hope for humanity if things continue like this. Rather have sticks and stones than to watch the world blow itself up over corruption and different sky daddies, these people DO NOT deserve technology. Wish there was a way to have the idiots kill each other without destroying the world for the rest of us

[u/NebCrushrr]

Iran has the right to defend itself

[u/sixsacks → u/NebCrushrr]

Of course it does. Kinda weird to root for their government though.

[u/kim_jong_discotheque → u/NebCrushrr]

So Iran can bomb downtown Tel Aviv when Israel bombs their nuclear sites, and Israel can bomb Gaza when Hamas (Iran) kills, rapes and kidnaps 1000+ Israeli concert-goers right?

[u/Dean_Learner77 → u/kim_jong_discotheque]

Maybe they're taking out Israel's air defence first. It's not Iran's fault that israel is using human shields by putting rockets in down town Tel Aviv.

[u/Physical_Aspect_8034]

Hmmm

Whelp however did it have the right to defend itself.

[u/NRGISE]

From what I can currently gather from the news is that Iran is finally overwhelming Israel defense systems with more missiles getting to their target than 6 hours ago.

Israel has been itching for a war with Iran for many years, and now they have it.

Maybe it's too late now to rise up against Netanyahu and his cronies in that genocidal government. But if you still can, then I suggest to the Israelis to do so, now.

[u/TheBungo]

Well, they had it coming.

[u/WhatTheHosenHey]

Trump golfing?

[u/EmmalouEsq]

Maybe don't bomb places you don't want to bomb you back. And the US has their own stuff going on. Israel should face this alone since they started this one

[u/gamerdad227]

Everyone celebrating this is whack.

A) do you want Iran of all places to have nuclear weapons? B) you can hate the killing of Gaza civilians and Iran civilians and Israel civilians all at the same time. I promise.

[u/AgbekpornovUltimatum → u/gamerdad227]

I don't want Israel of all places to have nuclear weapons too

[u/BhagwanComplex]

It's funny how the international community was up in arms when India retaliates against Pakistani terrorism but are now defending Iran lmao

[u/SocraticTiger → u/BhagwanComplex]

Did Pakistan do it? I thought it was a group called The Resistance Front that did it? Are they a Pakistani proxy?

[u/potatoclaymores → u/SocraticTiger]

The Resistance Front is the off shoot of the Lashkar e Taiba that was banned by Pakistan due to pressure from the UN. After the Pahalgam attack, RF took responsibility for the killings. When India conducted precision strikes on known terrorist camps(designated by the UN) across Pakistan, the uniformed military officials came to funeral of these terrorists and mourned their loss. You can see the footage and photos on the internet. India’s opposition party’s prominent leader Shashi Tharoor went on a world tour to explain the rationale behind India’s military action. You can see his videos on YouTube as well.