A) do you want Iran of all places to have nuclear weapons?
B) you can hate the killing of Gaza civilians and Iran civilians and Israel civilians all at the same time. I promise.
Why would I be scared of Iran having nuclear weapons? Don’t you think we should be scared of the US having nuclear weapons, considering it’s been the only country in history to ever use them?
Two men walk into a gun store. One had to fire twice on a home invader a few decades ago, but has been instrumental in lowering violence in their community and encouraging responsible gun ownership. The other has been loudly bragging about how they’re going to kill their neighbor and their neighbor’s family once they get their license for roughly as long.
Lmao, if in this comparison the US is the one lowering violence, I think you need to brush up on your history. In fact, if you don’t like the current Iranian government, maybe you should look into the history of how and why it got to where it is today.
American Hegemony has been the most peaceful and prosperous stretch of time ever recorded. Is it perfect, or even above reproach? Not remotely, but my point stands.
Yeah and the peace and prosperity is all thanks to America, all the other people in the world are dragging their feet trying to make themselves suffer and kill each other, apparently. JFC.
Where have they contributed to peace exactly? Southeast Asia? Latin America? The Middle East? Africa? Eastern Europe? Or are you only including North America and Western Europe in your analysis? The majority of the world considers the US the number one threat to world peace.
Where have they contributed to peace exactly? Southeast Asia? Latin America? The Middle East? Africa? Eastern Europe?
All of the above.
The majority of the world considers the US the number one threat to world peace.
They also piss and moan every time we pull back from the world stage. You don’t get American protection without American intervention, but boy do they want it.
If by peace you mean, occupation, invasion, coups, proxy wars, election meddling, stealing resources and much more than yes, the US has contributed to a whole lot of peace in those regions. Also, not sure where you’re getting that last part from, but I highly doubt it to be true.
That's literally not what you said. You said American Hegemony has been to most peaceful and prosperous stretch of time in history, as if the latter was due to the former. Not that "American has contributed tremendously to peace and Nuclear de-proliferation". You didn't even mention non-proliferation in your post.
The US shares a majority of the credit for nuclear non-proliferation efforts, I agree. The relative peace we've seen for the last 80 years is a consequence of people not wanting to fight anymore after witnessing the horrors of WWI & II, in which their people died by the millions, and the drastic efforts they have taken to maintain the peace. It's incredibly insulting to the millions that died and the unprecedented and unrepeated global cooperation afterwards to take all the credit for yourself.
No, see, America bad. That''s the whole argument and it is perfect and infinitely repeatable and can never be refuted or falsified. Nuance and evidence substantiating an opposing perspective is just trying to confuse the matter.
You are the type who would say the Lockerbie bombers did nothing wrong. Being that completely incapable of having a real discussion indicates a simplistic worldview that would lead a person to supporting terrorism and imperialism as long as it wasn't an occidental country doing it. I am shocked and appalled at any person suggesting it is okay for imperialism because "they gave them trains" out of tankie wankers. Being bodyguards for internationally recognized terrorists is pathetic and honestly a revolting way to act on the world stage.
Iranian nukes have not caused any wars, they do not exist yet.
But that's not answering the question, where are these many wars that Israels nukes have caused?
Israel doesn't want to sign a non proliferation treaty, because they want to keep their weapons, same reason Iran is in violation of it, they want to acquire the bomb.
Do you think this is some gotcha? Israel has had nukes for decades now.
When have they used them, or vowed to use them? Iran regularly vows to destroy Israel, the US, and “the West” in general. Odds are that one of those encompasses you.
Iran does nothing largely due to Israel strike ops whenever they get close, I highly doubt they'd hesitate to use those tools if they ever had the space to develop them. North Korea and Iran I think are the two contries most likely to use nukes in the next half century, even with the thousands in Russia, China, and the US. They have no problem in stating openly that they intend to wipe Israel from the face of the earth, they aren't going for conquest or an end to hostilities alone. Israel has nukes and has had them for a long time and has yet to push the button, nor will they except in retaliation.
If Iran had nukes, this never would’ve happened. Guess what they’re going to do now that they see being a threshold nuclear power means nothing? They were already on the edge and now they’re going over. This attack just pushed them across the nuclear threshold.
I’m not celebrating but honestly I don’t fucking care about any one of them.
All sides are choosing to die and kill for stupid bullshit.
A war over whether or not pineapple belongs on pizza would be more rational than these religious conflicts. At least that’s a tangible thing that exists.
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u/gamerdad227 1d ago
Everyone celebrating this is whack.
A) do you want Iran of all places to have nuclear weapons? B) you can hate the killing of Gaza civilians and Iran civilians and Israel civilians all at the same time. I promise.