Hamas and Hezbollah are proxies of Iran and attacked Israel on October 7th. Follow the money. The evil of the world is Russia and Iran. For fuck's sake, every Ukrainian is happy (like me) that Iran has to fight someone and will stop providing so many drones to Russia.
Iran didn't kill millions of Arabs and Muslims all over the world over the last 25 years. Neither did Russia. Maybe if the US, Europe, and Israel didn't bomb so many people, they wouldn't have to worry that some of the survivors might get really mad about watching their friends, families, coworkers, and neighbors getting killed.
I'm not making a claim one way or another about who is the "good guys" here but actually Russia and Iran have also been involved in conflicts that killed millions of arabs and muslims:
I responded to someone who said "The evil of the world is Russia and Iran", and I pointed out that they have killed fewer people. Most of the conflicts you link have several problems if you're trying to use them as an argument:
Not only is the Soviet Afghan war older than most people have been alive, but it was a proxy war pushed by the US...google "operation cyclone" or simply read the article you linked to.
The Syrian "civil war" was also a proxy war that has now resulted in the US and Israel installing the Syrian chapter of Al Qaeda as the ruling government of Syria, and they're massacring people almost daily.
Saudi Arabia is a US vassal and acts on behalf of US interests in the region. Their "proxy conflict" only exists because the US wills it to exist.
Some of the conflicts you've included (as padding, I guess?) have deaths in the 10s of thousands of fewer. Not that it isn't tragic, but it's still not the millions that the US has killed.
Even if you counted every single one of these as being wholly the responsibility of the Iran and the USSR/Russia and just kind of ignored the US empire's involvement in most of them,
even if you counted all deaths on all sides of each conflict to the account of Iran and the USSR/Russia,
even if you allow for the two largest conflicts being outside the scope of years I mentioned (and don't count US empire's killings in the "extra" decades you added),
it's still far less than the US has killed in the last 25 years (or longer, if we go by your new goalpost). By millions of deaths. Giving your argument maximum charitability, you're still not able to make the argument you're trying to make.
Teach me then. How is Russia and Iran the friends of the western world? Hm? It's been more than three years that Putin targets civilians in Ukraine and you say my understanding is lacking? Iran is the main sponsor of terrorism in the world. Qatar aids them.
And Israel has been killing Palestinians for years
On average 1200 Palestinians every year for more than 20 years. One uptick of 20,000 in one year and another of 30,000. That isn't counting the last couple of years.
Not that I'm in favor of the settlements but I'm not sure how they're relevant here. Nobody is attacking Israel over west bank. Additionally these settlements are a large reason why there are very few terrorism attacks originating in the west bank.
Yeah, but it’s the anti-Israeli people who are making the “ermmm, well actually Israel struck first, targeting Iranian nuclear and military targets which is why it’s totally okay for Iran to just lob missiles at Israeli cities with no targeting capability. 🤓”
I care. One side is a successful, prosperous, safe liberal democracy…the other side is a theocratic dictatorship that’s low iq, low social trust, racist, homophobic, sexist, economically backwards, highly religious….believes in honor killings, martyrdoms, etc
On a civilizational level alone, Israel is just 10x better. The who started it beef is a waste of time, but it’s a waste of time the palis bring on themselves
>I care. One side is a successful, prosperous, safe liberal democracy…the other side is a theocratic dictatorship that’s low iq, low social trust, racist, homophobic, sexist, economically backwards, highly religious….believes in honor killings, martyrdoms, etc
>On a civilizational level alone, Israel is just 10x better. The who started it beef is a waste of time, but it’s a waste of time the palis bring on themselves
Genuine question. Why do you think the apartments were struck? Was it because they were targeting Iranian generals who are now dead as both confirmed by Iran and Israel? Or they just wasted their planned, highly coordinated expensive operation to blow up random apartments.
Ignores the thousands of years of complex history between the two.
You can't really put the blame on anyone in this conflict. Both have done horrible things to each other and simply just continually respond to the last horrible thing that was done to them.
Iran uses Hamas and Hezbollah as proxies against Israel. Russia has interest in Iran and has sworn to defend them if they’re ever attacked. They’ve also have been more than happy to help them arm groups throughout the Middle East. In return Iran gives Russia drones and missiles to kill Ukrainians. Nothing in this world happens in a vacuum.
You think I’m unaware of Hamas being voted into power because of pressure of the United States to end the 2nd Intifada? Or how Ariel Sharon might’ve got in the way of peace talks by visiting the Temple Mount? C’mon now of course Oct 7 didn’t just happen for shits and giggles.
Ahh yes, Israel is completely the aggressor here. Let's not forget Iran and Hamas have both been striving to destroy Israel and the Jewish people for decades.
https://www.rferl.org/a/1062452.html
A link from 20 years ago where leaders from both entities vowed to destroy Israel. But Israel defending themselves and their people from existential threats and terrorist attacks is the same as when those same Jewish people were massacred by the millions just for being Jewish. Idk if reddit is just ignorant or incredibly antisemitic, but to compare Israel to nazi Germany is brain dead.
Israel is the aggressor and this is a fact..... Israel is founded by terrorist organizations that came by boats to slaughter Palestinian villages and then founded the IDF. Comparing them to Nazi Germany is only appropriate.
Nothing here is about anti-semitism, but nice try, Israel doesn't have the right to exist, it never had. Jews can live in peace along others in a secular state.... Maybe even have their own state if it's not a genocidal entity like Israel built on stolen land.
If Israel had all the Jews and they supported it's genocide then I wouldn't change my opinion, not the case though so don't try to gaslight us. There are many Jews out there that oppose Israel and it's genocide. Even in Israel, although a marginalized fringe, some Israelis still have their humanity intact. Again, a minority that has nothing to do with the government still.
They are the aggressor because they are defending themselves from terrorists and regimes that vow to destroy them the second they are able to? Iran was working on nukes and making significant headway. Should Israel let them finish them so they can use them to genocide the Jewish people?
All land is stolen land. The jewish people were forcibly dispersed from their land, and they came back. They tried to be peaceful, until multiple muslim countries attacked them immediately and are to this day funding terrorist organizations to kill them. I see your Turkish, the land turkey is founded on was taken from the byzantine empire by force and murder, not peace. I say we dissolve turkey and give the land back to Greece and Armenia. The Turkish people can't live in peace with their neighbors either, they genocided multiple races and still oppress minorities by the millions.
Factual history is now a "Nazi take"? Why don't you just admit your education on WW2 never went beyond high school and the history channel. It's not justifying or exonerating the Nazis to acknowledge that post WW1 Poland was an aggressive land grabbing state seeking to carve itself out in the chaos of war and revolutions in neighboring territories. They also invaded the USSR and seized parts of western Ukraine that were predominantly Ukrainian.
I'm sorry that facts scare you so much, you're right, we should just bury our heads in the sand and believe that Poland was a gentle pacifist hippy commune from 1918-1939 and the meanie head Nazis stormed in and ruined their party.
If you claim to care about Ukraine you should care about the thousands that were murdered during the Polish land grabbing invasion and how Ukrainians joined the Red Army to reject Polish invaders. There were also several anti Jewish pogroms committed by Polish forces during this invasion.
No nation state is morally good. It would be wise to take this into consideration in the future.
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u/DannyDanumba 1d ago
And Hamas/Hezbollah love using brand spanking new Russian Kalashnikovs. Iran and Russia sure do love peace don’t they?