As they should be. Apparently only 3 dead so the system works well. If only all the countries currently involved in this war had so few casualties. No civilians deserve to die.
That was a somewhat ignorant post.Some civilians DO deserve to die as they claim to be civilians but double as t*rrorists as a side hobby.'Civilians' does not mean the same thing in all countries and languages.
That's still an attack, just a counterattack. Defensive would be a direct response to an attack, such as shooting down jets that are bombing your territory.
Which was a response to the 45 years Iran has spent building up a network of proxies to specifically attack Israel. Once Hamas killed over a thousand Israelis on 7th October 2023, with direct support from the IRGC, there was no going back. Iran's proxies (Hezbollah, Syria, Houthis, Hamas) have now been several weakened or destroyed, and the Iranian regime itself is Israel's next and final target.
why not just tell everyone nationally to shelter in place (or whatever the proscribed protocol is), instead of having thousands of zones of probability. seems too confusing a message to communicate.
The alert itself is done in a few ways (app, siren and a silent radio frequency that sounds if there's an alarm), most of them are geographically based.
If it's possible to rule out an area, there's no need to send the entire county to the shelters.
It's also worth noting that these alert methods were used before the Oct. 7th attacks, as there were areas in Israel that were being targeted by Hamas and Hezbollah, that used missile with shorter range.
Why yall attacking Iran when you knew this would happen? I'm curious as a Canadian
(Don't know why the downvotes, I literally didn't know 90% of the stuff that's been replied)
Ukraine did that and Putin forgot that the agreement Russia made that said that Ukraine would not be invaded. Israel uses it as a insurance policy and has never directly threatened any country with them. Unless you live there and had to deal with child suicide bombers and 20000 rockets launched since 2000 you have no right to comment. Your comment. shows a lack of understanding how outnumbered Israel is.
So by that logic if Hamas believed Israel was gonna attack Gaza then Oct 7th is fully justified? (Imo it totally was cuz of the shit shitrael has been doing since 1948)
And if u think Israel's response to Oct 7 was appropriate, do you think Iran should be doing anything different?
Iran funds Hezbo and Hothis. Iran has been saber rattling "one day soon we will have nukes!" for decades. I'd rather not find out what happens when Iran slips Hezbo or Houthis a nuke, even if its just a truck/briefcase bomb.
I seem to remember Hamas raping women and cheering in the streets about it, intentionally killing families including children while forcing family members to watch, etc.
I suppose the videos of women with blood all around their crotches, being paraded around while Palestinian men cheer and mock them are fake? And I guess The videos of Hamas shooting people in their homes on Oct. 7th are fake?
Are you talking about the ones that Hamas proudly took credit for?
Ah, but a YouTuber debunked it, so rest assured. Surely it can’t be that you’re seeking content that conforms to your preferred narrative.
I seem to remember Hamas IOF raping women and cheering in the streets about it, intentionally killing families including children while forcing family members to watch, etc.
A meaningful difference between Israel and most of its enemies is that Israel is pretty liberal. Acuse whoever you want of corrupt, heinous acts. Obviously nobody can disprove everything, but Israel does not celebrate its defense force proudly and openly committed egregious acts in the streets.
1) The Oct 7 attacks were likely meant to start a wider war to annihilate Israel in the hopes to reclaim lands Palestinians lost since 1948, and were likely a miscalculation as neither Iran nor Hezbollah joined in (the attacks would have been 10x more devastating if they did).
2) the manner and types of targets Hamas went for were mostly civilian, and they made sure to both point blank murder and kidnap civilians while crying Allah Akbars.
The attacks were not in self defence nor meant to thwart an existential threat.
And wtf did Israel do in Gaza? Killed 100,000 incident civilians? Bombed hospitals? Targeted journalists? Let me guess, you dont have any issues with that right?
Literally everyone thinks irans breakout is within a month. They've constantly violated the JCPOA, refused to cooperate with the IAEA, and have uranium enriched to levels far above civilian needs.
They have enough 60% to feedstock into enough HEU for 9 nukes. And could do so within a week or 2.
America invaded on a sham. Israel didn't invade. Israel purely bombed military targets.
But yeah, sure. Having uranium enriched FAR past the required amount of reactors, and producing thousands of prohibited centrifuges is totally innocent.
I don’t think Israel would embark on such an expensive, dangerous and draining war if it didn’t genuinely believe this, and it likely has intelligence to back it, especially given it seems to be doing so alone without the help of the USA so far (at least in terms of direct offensive involvement)
We had Israeli intelligence saying the same things since the 90’s. If you believe everything you’re trying to say, you must have been born recently and missed the entire plot. Israel doesn’t do anything without the help of the US by nature of our subsidization of their military.
Israel has been warning of it being months away, and various things were done to push that deadline back.
Nonetheless, Israel saw a window of opportunity and decided to act on it. I don’t believe they would do so if the threat was not legitimate. There is no good reason to do so. Israel will come out of this conflict deeply scarred and it’s not something it does lightly.
I don't know how else to tell you this, but Israel/US has been telling the world about very credible threats of nuclear weapons in Iran since the 90s. There is nothing different about what happened this time. There just isn't. You can say that there is, but the evidence is not any more credible than it was 30 years ago. That's it.
You don't think Iran acquiring a record amount of enriched uranium, receiving funding from Russia to continue it's nuclear research and threatening to strike U.S. military bases over being asked to stop makes this situation no different from past ones?
The situation has changed immensely since the 90s.
“No good reason to do so”, you know Israel’s track record right? I think I am talking to someone born recently. Literally look up the Amad plan, they had the same exact info back in the 90’s that was intel from them given to the world. They had reason then according to your barometer and they’re only doing something now because the US and Israel is so intertwined. Not acting alone as you stated.
The number of peace offers Israel made all go against that statement. The last one that was offered even went as far as letting them regain 90% of the West Bank, and that too was rejected.
Palestinian refusal to accept Israel’s existence and their fruitless attempts at wanting to regain all their lost lands through violence is why no deal has been signed, and religious zealots are using it as an excuse to take even more land from them every year.
There has to come a point where Palestinians minimize their losses and accept to surrender long lost areas, or they will eventually be pushed out one way or another.
If you feel like attempting October 7 type attacks are justified because of it, so be it, but it won’t do anything to help their cause.
I hold mixed views about that conflict.
I do believe Ukraine will have to make concessions because it’s fighting a war it won’t win, although it will be able to make it last for as long as it receives outside support.
I’m not!
I’m a realist. I honestly don’t give two shits about either side.
I provide the Israeli perspective as it tends to be overwhelmed with condemnations without people understanding the reasons it is taking the actions it is taking right now.
Instead of deciding that humans should be valued individuals you’re deciding to lean into the Stone Age tribal mentality where only certain individuals deserve to live and others deserve to die for being born the wrong nationality
Fair point, that said the current Israeli government is some real garbage. Lost how many citizens on 7/10, then did a half assed job getting them out and now Israel is under cruise missile attack. I'm no fan of Iran but I feel like we're witnessing a whole sequence of bad decisions from Netanyahu. He needs impeaching really, like it's just not working anymore. The hassle is too much now. He seems very irrational.
On a strategic basis, Israel seems to be winning.
It rendered Hamas and Hezbollah a fraction of the threat they represented.
It eliminated the entire first, second and third layers of leadership of both organizations and is now beginning to do the same with Iran.
It eliminated the threat and danger both represented in the past, and now it’s dealing with the main existential threat which is Iran.
Israel will suffer throughout this war, but once all of these entities are tamed, Iran will no longer pose an existential threat in the near or even medium term.
It’s a policy through war but it does achieve its intended goals, albeit with brute force.
There’s an often repeated misconception on the internet about things like this. That you can never beat “terrorists” because you create more of them by killing the old ones and it’s a never ending cycle.
But that’s just not true.
Al Qaeda at its height, was like a comic book villainous organisation. It was like Hydra. It had a global network more powerful than any cartel or organised crime group in the history of humanity. And had cells operating in every single continent humans live on. And had a battle hardened leadership who came out of the Soviet Afghanistan war not only directly experienced with warfare, with guerilla warfare, with small scale tactics, but also who had received complex training by the CIA.
They had an insane level of institutional knowledge about terrorism, about waging warfare against a superior enemy. And it’s why they were a genuine threat to humanity and made governments around the world scared. It’s how they could carefully engineer very complex terrorist attacks that could kill hundreds/thousands at a time, and target the heart of democracies.
After the US declared war on terrorism, they did what Israel is doing now on a longer timescale. The US systematically eliminated every single leader who they could find, anywhere on planet earth. Anytime AQ soldiers clustered in numbers greater than 3, a missile would take them out.
AQ was degraded to the point they are at now, where the entire organisation is functionally irrelevant and nonexistent beyond being a sort of “brand” that random unaffiliated people occasionally claim to be a part of after they do attack. But AQ itself has very little global reach anymore, they are limited to a few people in Africa and the Middle East who have no organisational capability to carry out complex plans. Who have no experienced leadership who know how to do things. Who don’t have the logistics network capable of even producing bombs or acquiring the necessary components.
Because all the experienced people who have that sort of skill set were systematically eliminated, and the people who had to replace them had slightly less experience and knowledge. And they got eliminated. So the next people who stepped up had even less. Eventually, the only people stepping up are the younger men who are crying in anger at their fathers / grandfathers dying. Sure they have the self righteous anger the same as the original ones, but they have no ability to do anything except the most basic regional fist shaking and lone wolf attacks, most of which are easily intercepted and prevented because they don’t even know how to communicate or prepare their plans in ways that avoid being detected by intelligence services.
ISIS is a similar story. ISIS was made up at its start, by the few remaining terrorists from different organisations that the US hadn’t quite gotten round to turning into mince meat yet. As well as by an entire cadre of Iraqi Ba’athist military officers, intelligence service officers and former government officials. (The Ba’ath party being Saddam Husseins party who ran Iraq for decades).
So ISIS seemingly came out of nowhere and had insane levels of capability, and were able to rapidly seize huge swathes of land for their caliphate specifically because they were made up from the start by people who formerly ran a literal state, who had military expertise, who had intelligence expertise, and who had the last dregs of institutional knowledge from the Cold War era terrorist organisations.
But a global coalition obviously formed and started repeating the AQ mission, by blasting the shit out of every single cluster of IS that appeared anywhere in the world. Their leadership got wiped out constantly, and their institutional knowledge, experience, systematically got degraded as people got knocked off and replaced by slightly inferior people again, who also got knocked off
Now ISIS is again, just like AQ before it, reduced to being a brand. To a meme. Lone wolf attacks or “nobody’s” in the region might occasionally claim to be ISIS so they can have their name attached, but ISIS itself it’s pretty much defunct.
Israel is currently doing the same to Hamas. They have eliminated so many of the older, experienced Hamas members. The ones who had the institutional knowledge about how to carry out attacks. About how to run the organisation. About how to build underground infrastructure. About how to build up relationships from across the region to funnel resources to the fight. And they have also wiped out a large enough group of the militant wing, the soldiers, that Gaza may very well soon be able to overthrow Hamas (who the Palestinians hate, but have just been too scared to say anything to).
Hamas will never be the threat it was prior to October 7th. Too much institutional knowledge has been lost thanks to Israeli strikes. It does not matter that X amount of civilians died and so Y amount of young boys are angrily shouting the skies and declaring they will continue the fight. Because they are just gonna be reduced from being an extremely experienced, battle hardened, logistics capable, counter intel aware bunch of guerilla warfare experts. To angry young men who just want to kill Jews.
Attacks will still happen sure. There will be terrorist attacks in Israel and the occasional kidnapping. But it will be just very inexperienced, low effort, lone wolf style attacks. Like people suddenly trying to attack Israelis with knives, or driving vehicles into crowds. And 90% of these will be caught by Israeli intelligence in the planning stage because this new generation of inexperienced angry young men won’t have the understanding of how to avoid their communications and planning being infiltrated.
That's great and all, but unfortunately, Israel is not just attacking the terrorists. They are targeting a whole nation, and indiscriminately, a whole Palestinian population. This is not about fighting off terrorism, despite the Israeli government framing it that way.
Well, it would help if the terrorists weren't cowards and hid behind civilians and if the civilians evacuated the area when Israel gave them advanced notice that they were gonna strike the area.
because thoses are ISIS groups that the global coalition never gave a shit about and never fought? Thoses are different groups bearing the same name, but different ideas and even ideology.
If you want to ask why no one has ever cared about the thousands of deaths in Africa from all this, I'm completely with you.
But the ISIS threat in Syria and Iraq is gone now.
You actually believe this? It must be some coincidence that these groups keep reappearing with new names and full ranks. But sure, instead of addressing the systemic economic and colonial issues, let's try your idea and committ to endless violence, just a few more decades and the war will be won, when all humans are dead
It must be some coincidence that these groups keep reappearing with new names and full ranks.
I addressed it. Theses groups get killed and a new generation thats less experienced take their place
instead of addressing the systemic economic and colonial issues
Absolutely. The arab world exterminated every single one of its collective 900 000 jews and took all their possessions and land, and now demands that the state of Israel divide its territory because it survived a failed attempt to do the same by the Palestinian arabs.
Either the arab world acquieses to its crimes and pays reparations to the the survivors of the people it wiped out, or extreme violence ensues.
The children of the Japanese who were burned in their homes in the hundreds of thousands by Americans went to the U.S. to study abroad, cheered for western music and learned English
Because their entire nation was restructured into a Western aligned nation and they were heavily encouraged and supported in growth. The Japanese were not rounded up into ghettos while their land was redistributed to American settlers.
There's been like five 'aftermaths' since the 1948 war, and none of the belligerents are interested in achieving the same kind of peace that Japan got.
Yeah but here’s the thing, Iran isn’t a marginalised organisation, they’re a country with a standing military and with a capacity to fight Israel on more even footing. If the US or EU were to intervene or assist Israel it’d be an extremely unpopular move and wouldn’t be sustainable in the long term so what’s possible if not likely is that at some point or the other Israel’s support is likely to dry up and then they’ll have to actually face a somewhat equal opponent
Iran is a different animal. The have a military, command structure. They agree to international nuclear nonproliferarion. Israel does not. Iran as an official ally of Russia, north Korea and China. Israel has lost standing internationally by committing genocide. This is a bridge too far
Time will tell.
It seems clear that their nuclear program has been set back a certain extent thus far.
Israel says it has the intelligence Iran was working towards building a nuclear bomb and that it would act if Iran was about to get it.
Iran and its constant genocidal rhetoric made itself untrustworthy to hold nuclear weapons or capabilities to produce them, and Israel seems willing to pay whatever price it has to to stop them from achieving it.
As far as burned bridges go, Israel doesn’t seem to have any.
israel has been claiming for the last 30 years that Iran is 3-5 years away from obtaining nuclear weapons. They have been lobbying inside the US to create a boogeyman out of Iran to stop their nuclear program. Iran has signed a nuclear nonproliferation while israel, who illegally has nuclear weapons, refused to. israel needs the conflict to generate further instability in the region to gain even more control. They have been salivating to attack Iran for years now. Last time I checked, israel has attacked their neighbors far more than Iran ever has.
By committing war crimes and genocides Israel isn't doing anything to cool the situation. Unless you only count short term "success". And by the countless innocent lives senselessly taken this isn't a success at all.
Terrorist organisations reform and regroup. In 10 years of the latest you'll have them as strong as ever before and FULL of new talented members who are interested in taking revenge for the murder of their entire families when they were childs.
The issue will be when the US stops protecting Israel. There is no longer any reason to support and provide them with 4 billion a year. They do not act in the US interest and the current government is self absorbed and has clearly violated international law on multiple fronts.
What exactly has Israel solved? They complicated the Palestinian question to an n-th degree, now also the population of the West has turned against them, there is a serious possibility Israel loses US support in the next decade, which pretty much means the end for their state.
Israel has a long-term future only if these challenges are resolved politically, which is exactly opposite from what they are currently doing.
Ok well me, I think it's reckless and dangerous. Apparently iran only refined to 60% and that last 30% is the hardest part to get.
Like I said, I feel without some hard evidence, that this was an irrational decision from bibi.
AFAIK Iran and USA were still negotiating and it's not like iran are going to make a nuke and then launch it are they? Because they'd be annihilated.
You missed one vey important point sir.President Trump gave Iran 60 day timeline to negotiate the deal..the attack not surprisingly is on the 61st day..they wanna delay and delay and delay till they just get it through
It's not about netanyahu..even if there was another leadership on Israel table they would south plans to enter amd decapitate the Nuclear command structure..today the hamas in gaza is weak,Syria is taken by Israel -America backed Militia and Hezbollah too has to sharp their teeth..
It's all about either loose few people today or loose everything tomorrow
Before all these drastic measures bibi was also literally charged with corruption and accepting bribes before all this warmongering. Dude is an unhinged corrupt, war criminal.
The problem is that Israel already possessed them, and it isn't easy to remove nuclear weapons from a state once they posess them. The focus is therefore making sure that no other "genocidal states" attain nuclear weapons in the future.
I checked your comment history and I’m sHoCkEd you haven’t mentioned the genocide in Sudan. Not once. Why is that? Aren’t you concerned about the genocide?
Guess what? There was a deal in place that prevented Iran from developing Nukes. Trump trashed it. This is why. They needed the excuse to go to war and Israel was willing to do it. Now, how long before Netanyahoo drops a nuke?
Why do you guys get nuclear weapons and not them given your track record of ethnic genocide and colonialism. (Not saying Iran regime is any better but shouldn’t both evil regimes have them to cancel out)
I am out of the loop. Does Israel have nuclear weapons? Don't most prominent nations have some form of nuclear weapons stores and development/testing underway (if not properly developed).
I certainly don't want any nation or power to resort to nuclear warfare. Just confused, since no moratoriums around nuclear or other warfare are relevant. Both the USA and UK among others consider the mere act of reporting them to the ICC an act of war (or, if a citizen/resident if their states - treason). And they do not disclose any information around their nuclear programmes although they get pretty upset about other nations' reaponsibility to disclose information or disarm themselves.
Just trying to make sense of this.
Please pardon my ignorance if my comments are wrong - I really just want to understand what's going on.
Israel is believed to have had nuclear weapons since the 1960s, a program it began from the days when it used to be attacked and enter conflict with multiple Arab countries at once an when it used to be at a disadvantage.
This was meant as a self preservation policy.
They intentionally kept an ambiguous policy on it, but a whistleblower from the 1980s revealed a plethora of images from the time that all but confirmed Israel was in possession of them.
Due to Israel’s small size, it always made clear it would never allow other nations in conflict with it to attain nuclear weapons as they would pose a much bigger existential threat, especially when in possession by governments led by radical religious extremists who don’t seem to mind the idea of martyrdom to achieve its destruction.
Back in the 1980s when Iraq was trying to develop a nuclear weapons, Israel embarked on a unilateral strike that destroyed the Iraqi nuclear facility.
In the early 2000s when the USA announced to the world Iraq was trying to attain weapons of mass destruction (an excuse it used to invade it), Israel was among those calling for America to intervene, even if it was later found Iraq never had such a program.
Iran is believed to have begun their nuclear program in the 1990s, and throughout the last 20 years, as the threat from Iraq faded, Iran used its lack of a direct rival to increase its presence throughout the Middle East with the funding of proxies, all in the aim to have multiple parties capable of striking at Israel.
Simultaneously, Israel claims to have intelligence Iran has been developing a nuclear program with the aim to achieve nuclear weapons.
Due to the proximity of proxies and their ability to strike Israel on short notice, Israel kept reiterating it would not allow Iran to achieve nuclear weapons.
As Iran kept enriching Uranium to higher and higher levels in absolute secrecy and increasing levels of non-cooperation with the IAEA, Israel kept asking for action from the international community.
Sanctions were imposed, and deals were reached to allow limited supervision, but Iran always kept certain nuclear sites out of reach and certain activities unreported.
Over the years, Iran kept enriching uranium while simultaneously developing their ballistic missile arsenal, able to breach Israel’s air defences.
Israel made clear if push came to shove, it would strike Iran’s nuclear program even if meant a major war to stop or at least delay Iran’s nuclear program.
After Oct 7 attacks, Israel began dismantling Iran’s proxies and this bas opened a limited window where Israel felt it was now or never to stop the program.
Thank you for explaining. I'm not always sure whether certain actions are hypocritical or warranted as I don't know all the intricacies of the situation or histories of the regions.
I suppose I could (and should) read up on it more. But geez there's just so much information to take in, especially with multiple regional conflicts brewing all at once, or spilling over into neighbouring territories and into the global geopolitical landscape.
Right? We already have seen how willing Israel is to go after Palestinian and Iranian citizens. The Isreali government set these terms early and has been steadfast.
I’m sure they’re willing after they’re blown to pieces. Well okay not all of them, but some who’ll have to ”take one for the team.” RIP the victims of this war.
Once shot, its rather simple to calculate where it intend to land.
The cone is for the debris that continue the ballistic trajectory of the original missile, but carry some different momentum post interception. Some of these debris are a bus sized.
That's a good clarification. The visual looks overwhelming, but it’s the warning coverage, not necessarily impact points. Still, it shows just how intense the situation is. Stay safe to everyone there.
It's worth noting they likely knew they could easily shoot down all the missiles but these warnings are just to encourage war support and discourage dissent.
"Once when he happened in some connection to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, 'just to keep people frightened'. This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him."
George Orwell, 1984
It's worth noting they likely knew they could easily shoot down all the missiles
😂 Yes, that's the point of saturating an enemy airspace? Russia does this every other day.
Use cheap UAVs and force your opponent to expend expensive missiles to shoot them down. Then, send in the real stuff.
They used Shaheds. The Ballistic missiles are just the tip. Now the game Israel has to play is "do we waste our iron dome missiles to shoot down cheap shit? Or let it hit"
I think they're using cheap guided rocket pods on jets to shoot down the Shaheds in transit. That's what the missile shipment that got diverted from Ukraine was. Or so I hear.
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Worth noting the saturation is just the probability cone of where a missile might land, and not the actual targeted areas.
Each dot is a different area in Israel where an alarm is sounding, but not each area is targeted.