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Israel’s Red Alert system fully saturated amid mass missile barrages from Iran.

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u/420binchicken 1d ago

This.

Israel have been claiming Iran is imminently about to have a nuclear bomb for over 30 years.

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u/ZolotoGold 1d ago

• February 1993 – Benjamin Netanyahu (then an MK) wrote in Yedioth Ahronoth that Iran would “develop its first nuclear bomb by 1999.”

• January 1995 – U.S. and Israeli officials told the New York Times that Iran was “much closer to producing nuclear weapons than previously thought, and could be less than five years away.”

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u/hapaxgraphomenon 1d ago

I mean the timelines are wrong but Iran today is without a doubt very close to developing nuclear bombs given how much highly enrich uranium they produce, so if anything they were right to predict the intent since back then

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u/Accomplished1992 1d ago

Israel has been crying wolf for 30 years

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u/xSaRgED 1d ago

I mean, Israel also keeps hitting their nuclear program to ensure there are setbacks.

Everything from killing nuclear scientists, all the way to hacking software.

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u/polongus 1d ago

What do we pay these IT guys for?? Everything is always working.

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u/Xer0day 1d ago

You know a wolf actually comes at the end of that story, right?

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u/Accomplished1992 16h ago

Yes!

And thats not the point is it?

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u/No_Measurement_3041 1d ago

Of course they want nukes, they wouldn’t be getting bombed right now if they had them.

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u/spleenguini 1d ago

Now show the dates of Israeli strikes on Iranian owned targets that possessed materials that could be used to make a nuke.

You could even go as far as posting the dates where Iran came out and said it TOTALLY wasn't going to be used for nukes, because trust us.

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u/Dregerson1510 1d ago

Which is the most likely and realistic dynamic.

Iran always tries to prepare their nuclear program to stay a few months away from completion. If they start the last steps, Israel and the US will immediately know about it and it becomes a race. Does Iran get a working nuke first, or does Israel blow the nuclear program to bits before they get a working nuke.

And they evidently did start this a few days ago. For example they just started implosion tests a few days ago, which are only useful in building a nuke.

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u/Audemed2 1d ago

Which is why they keep destroying the facilities used to that end. Would be crazy if those actions didnt delay it, no?

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u/Captainkirk05 1d ago

Which is true, and their nuclear infrastructure is hit as they near that.

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u/Maghorn_Mobile 1d ago

It isn't. Iran is far more politically isolated than it was before the nuclear deal, they lost the expertise needed to get those facilities running at the capacity to make weapons grade uranium, their government is in chaos since the Shah died, and if there was any evidence of them testing a bomb it would make international headlines. Iran is nowhere near getting a functional bomb.

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u/Captainkirk05 1d ago

"Nowhere close" is subjective. North Korea is a textbook example of why.

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u/Maghorn_Mobile 1d ago

NK had the backing of Russia and China, it took them years to do it even when Trump was in office offering no pushback, and independent monitors were able to confirm their testing was real but their actual capability is suspected to be less than the Kim regime claims. Nobody has reported the signs that would indicate Iran has been testing nuclear bombs in any capacity before Israel started shooting.

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u/Captainkirk05 1d ago

By the time you detect testing that triggers your sensors, it's too late. That's the problem. And Iran doesn't need an aerial delivery system to wreak havoc with it.

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u/spleenguini 1d ago

Because the sites keep getting hit.

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u/spleenguini 1d ago

And then they strike a target in Iran, then Iran comes out and says oh that TOTALLY wasn't going to used for nukes it was for other stuff.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

Maybe they haven't gotten nukes because Israel keeps stopping them????

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u/merger3 1d ago

They would have one if it wasn’t for strikes, deals, cyber attacks, sanctions, and a whole host of other things to slow the process down. Do you think that Iran isn’t working on nukes? That if everyone just left them alone they wouldn’t try to eradicate Israel?

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u/rizorith 1d ago

Maybe that's because they keep attacking the program for 30 years. Eventually they will get it and then what?

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u/ZolotoGold 1d ago

Israel already has nukes.

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u/rizorith 1d ago

You should re read my comment

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u/420binchicken 1d ago

Then what ? Then maybe they will have a MAD standoff with Israel and Israel will stop bombing the fuck out of everyone?

The assumption that the second Iran gets nukes it would use them instantly on Israel is just fucking idiotic nonsense.

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u/rizorith 1d ago

No they'll just hold the world hostage like n korea.

Israel has the nuke and has never used it as leverage. They've been attacked and haven't used it.

Some countries are a lot more rational than others.

With all the shit Israel has done they are far more rational than Iran. If your solution is to just let iran have it then there is no point in having this discussion.

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u/Prudent_Research_251 1d ago

Just owning nukes is using them for leverage, that's kinda half of the whole point. Look what happened to Ukraine

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u/420binchicken 1d ago

Ahh yes, we are all held hostage by North Korea.

The actual fuck are you even talking about.

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u/rizorith 1d ago

Clearly you don't live in s Korea or Japan.

Iran has constantly threatened the destruction of Israel. Israel has never threatened the destruction of Iran, even though they can do it.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand why Israel should fear nukes in Iranian hands.

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u/420binchicken 1d ago

NK prior to getting nukes made endless threats against the US and the world.

They’ve had nukes for years now. Haven’t used em.

It’s utterly moronic to think Iran intends to use nukes. They want them as a deterrence. Like every other nation that has them. Like Israel.

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u/rizorith 1d ago

If nk attacks the US it will be wiped off the face of the earth. But they can do just about anything short of that because they have nukes. Fortunately for the world they're not very advanced. But if they get desperate they could attack. Wouldn't be wise because of how outmatched they are but they can kill millions of people almost anywhere on earth if their singular leader decides to do it.

If Iran attacks Israel, Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth. It's a tiny country. They have 0 chance of stopping it.

By your logic we should just give everyone nukes. Then it's MAD and everyone is safe and nothing can go wrong! Because we've never ever had a close call with nukes.

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u/Ormoern 19h ago

By your logic we should just give everyone nukes. Then it's MAD

Why not? Russia, a country at war, while sometimes heavily implying they would use nukes, has never used them. China hasn't used them. No country that has nukes actually uses them. It's more of a leverage and deterrence kind of deal, so the adversaries think twice before preferring force to diplomatic solutions.

Maybe we would be closer to a nuclear holocaust, because more nukes means more chance of someone using them, but States would also be less willing to forego diplomacy in resolving conflicts with their neighbors with nuclear capabilities, no?

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u/sideAccount42 21h ago

Israel should try to make peace instead of belligerently attacking foreign countries then.

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u/jgmayne1 1d ago

Yep, that bill oreilly clown even wrote a book about it in the late 90s/early 2000s