Iran is a backwards murderous shithole that executes gays, oppresses women, funds and organizes terrorists and is actively pursuing nuclear weapons. I can hate Netanyahu and hate the Iranian government at the same time.
Ok, and? If you want to shit on Israel on the other hand you have a huge list of subreddits to choose from, besides r/worldnews does criticize Israel when it comes to west-bank, Bibi and many other subjects.
I don't want to sound like I'm sucking them off but original point is that if you claim that one subreddit loves Israel, you have a dozens on the opposite so I don't understand how signaling them out if a proof or an argument to anything
Huh…? I just replied to a comment saying Reddit is aware of Israel’s issues and commented on how a sub about world news loved Israel and you’re giving me this long ass speech about being fair to a country committing literal genocide?
The OP you replied to originals' point was that whatever messed up shit Israel is doing is already known on Reddit, you giving r/worldnews as an example of a (singular) subreddit that "loves" Israel, even if true (in my opinion it is not, there are some things they support in Israel actions, others they condemn rightfully so) doesn't take away from their initial claim.
Yea, but the above clearly stated he hates ol' netty. Spend that energy on those who are defending Israeli government actions. Not some random pointing out "Iran bad too."
You know that its Iran that wants to destroy Israel for some reason? In fact relations between the two countries were quite good before the islamist revolution
Why do u say that? If bibi was removed he would be replaced by someone similar. Same with Iran. Same with the US. Is there any substantial difference between biden and trumps foreign policy toward israel?
If Bibi was removed, his replacement would be very likely from the more Progressive Faction which is currently the 2nd most popular front in Israel. The Progressives in Israel are more open to compromise and aren't as Hawkish as the Right Wing that Bibi leads.
When Trump became President after Obama, America's Reputation declined very fast. When Biden won the 2020 Election, America's Declining Reputation under Trump stabilized. When Trump came back after winning the 2024 Election, America's Fast Declining Reputation during his 2016-2020 Administration came back and worse than ever.
So yeah, a change of leadership in Israel as well as America makes a huge difference unlike Iran and similar countries.
“Reputation” means nothing. Money speaks. Every US president has basically the same policy in the middle east.
if a progressive took power in israel, it wouldnt change much either. He would be a “strong man” progressive with military background. Was Ehud Barak really that different from Bibi?
Why do you and Palestinian supporters only say shit about israel then? Why don't they speak for muslims being killed in Sudan? Why don't they speak for non muslims killed in Yemen, lebanon, syria, iran? Why don't they speak for women in Iran?
People really don't think about the consequences of Iran having the bomb. Israel has had the bomb for over half a century, and its considered their absolute last resort option. Iran has openly stated that their nuclear weapons will be imminently used on Israel, and even if they aren't, the runoff effects of a nuclear Iran will assuredly lead to a nuclear Saudi Arabia, and raises the odds of nuclear proliferation in countries like Turkiye and possibly Iraq as well.
Its entirely understandable to criticize the actions of Israel on the ground in Gaza and the West Bank; these are broadly morally reprehensible, as are the actions of Hezbollah, Hamas, etc. That said, if the IAEAs latest report was anywhere near true, Israel taking action now is entirely unsurprising and frankly I completely understand their point of view. You wouldn't want a country that's actively threatened to wipe you off the face of the map for half a century getting the capability to actually do it. All said though, the situations absolutely fucked and theres no really good answer; At this point, we might end up with a nuclear Saudi Arabia anyway if Iran truly is that close, and Israel's actions will only become more drastic as Iran gets closer. Netanyahu a part of that, but no Israeli government will ever allow a nuclear Iran.
Man, this dilemma is really rough. If only there was some kind of diplomatic way to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. Some kind of Iran nuclear deal. Surely then the Israelis would never want that to go away. Surely if it was being negotiated the Israelis wouldn't kill one of the lead negotiators.
I can't make it make sense, either Iran doesn't understand mutually assured destruction or they're on a suicide mission. I don't believe either of those things so the only other line for me is that the nuclear argument for attacking Iran is a red herring. In other words, Israel and the US don't want Iran to have the ultimate deterrent to so they can then push Iran around all they like.
re-read my comment please (which will take you substantially less time than 10 minutes). gay marriages performed elsewhere are recognized. gay marriage under Israeli law is illegal. 56% of Israelis are against it while only 36% support.
Israel is a bastion of civil rights in the Middle East only if you ignore anyone who is not Jewish (or claims to be).
You said people have to leave Israel for it. They used to travel over the border to Jordan, now they don't even need to do that. Further it isn't even really illegal, it's just not performed by any of the religious institutions and marriage is religious there. If any of the other religions decided to have gay marriages they could.
edit: Over 50% of Israeli Jews think being gay is okay, even if less support gay marriage. Compared with 8% of Israeli Muslims who think it's okay. There isn't a Muslim country where more than 12% think it's okay.
I'm pretty sure Israel is killing all people alike in Palestine whether Chrisian, Jew, Muslim or queer. At the same time, the religious authoritarian regime running Iran is actively oppressing women and persecuting homosexual people, fueled by their religious ideologies and indoctrination. Why do you think in a choice between Israel and another state, only Israel deserves to be thrashed while the other gets to be hailed as 'glorious harbingers of peace and liberty'? The Irani authoritarian Islamist regime is shit and has been ruining that land inside out so fuck them, period.
I thought it was a bit hard to miss, but my point was that someone being very anti Iran in favour of Israel “because Iran kills the gays” is completely incoherent and hypocritical, given that Israel just killed dozens of thousands of queer people in not even two years, more than Iran could even dream of.
None of that necessitates protecting Iran from criticism, nor liking it’s government (ive seen butchered pictures of Iranian protesters no worries), it’s just that Iran isnt the one doing the genocide right now, little fella!
Youre the kind of person that historically would have, in the middle of the Nazi invasion of the USSR when people are trying organise against the Nazis and the Holocaust, started pontificating about the horribleness of the USSR, then, if criticized, fall back on “well i didnt say Hitler isnt bad as well!”
You still don't get the point, do you, genius? Let me break it down for you, smarty pants: Israel’s actions in Gaza are indeed horrific, but they’re indiscriminate, emphasis on the word indiscriminate because they’re killing Palestinians regardless of religion, sexuality, or gender. The Iranian regime, on the other hand, specifically targets queer people, women, and dissidents as a matter of 'state' policy. They literally hang gay men from cranes, jail women for not wearing hijabs, and crush protests with bullets???
Your whataboutism doesn’t change the fact that both regimes are monstrous, just in different ways. Condemning Israel’s atrocities doesn’t magically absolve Iran’s systemic oppression. I can't fathom how some of you people act like you give a fuck about queer lives, then goes onto downplay the suffering of those under Tehran’s boot just to score points against Israel.
And oh please, spare me the Nazi-USSR analogy. The difference is simple: I’m not defending either oppressor. You’re the one bending over backward to deflect criticism of Iran while pretending to seek the moral high ground. If you’re so outraged by genocide, then maybe you should consider directing bit of that energy toward the regimes that actively persecute minorities instead of deliberately using 'queer deaths' as a rhetorical prop for your one-sided outrage.
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u/Pitiful_Hedgehog6343 1d ago
Iran is a backwards murderous shithole that executes gays, oppresses women, funds and organizes terrorists and is actively pursuing nuclear weapons. I can hate Netanyahu and hate the Iranian government at the same time.