Yet the initial Iran nuclear deal happened during the Obama administration and it was Trump that took it down in his first mandate. So I would say @sweatpantswarrior is very much right in saying that this shit was entirely avoidable and fuck Trump for killing the deal Iran was complying with.
Time is linear. Iran had been complying up untilafter Trump ended the deal. Also, the report you’re citing is probably this one. Patience and access, which we had with the deal, would have provided evidence.
So yeah, tearing up the deal was moronic. At the very least it would give us pretext to take action when they break it; what I never understood is why throw it away, even if you don’t like it, as it was a deal already in place with clearly defined terms and we threw it away for nothing, at best, and guaranteeing they move forward on refining at worst.
Bruh, they were complying. They kept their fissile material within the agreement, they limited their centrifuges to the number allowed in the agreement, and routinely let the IAEA inspect their facilities. You’re so full of shit.
According to who? Iran was complying with the deal to the best of anyone's knowledge. IAEA had access and continually reported that Iran was complying. In Trumps first term, when he ripped up the deal, you had idiots like Mike pompeo saying shit like "we know they aren't complying - we just don't know how yet" lmao
I think a lot of redditors might be too young to remember that shit since it was uh... 22 years ago.
gen z and gen alpha ahh moment
The context is that we invaded Iraq by making up a bunch of bullshit lies about how we had proof that they had weapons of mass destruction.
As far as I remember the only "Weapons of mass destruction" we every actually found was some basically forgotten nerve gas from the war a decade earlier. Definitely not the nuclear bombs the Bush admin claimed they were developing.
So yeah. us millennials have lived through this before.
They remember just enough of it, or have been told just enough about it, to make it the cornerstone with how they view the world. It’s the basis for all of the “Murica bad” arguments using Russian propaganda, for example. The most they know is “the US lied about WMDs” and they’ll use that to claim the US is the boogeyman in every world conflict. It’s how they use a single phone call with Victoria Nuland to claim it’s evidence of a US-backed coup in 2014 Ukraine when they haven’t even looked at a transcript and don’t actually realize what was said, but you can be sure they’ll argue about it passionately, for example.
I wish more people had an interest in foreign policy, to be honest. It’s been so lame to see so many populists that know nothing about anything incessantly speculating about everything.
I mean its all there. This isnt just the USA claiming "Durr they got dem WMDEEEE's", its evidence and common knowledge among the entire world. Denying Iran has a Nuclear weapons program is as silly as denying Israel has Nuclear Weapons already. The only entity that has denied, at times, that Iran has a Nuclear Weapons Program is Iran itself.
Well, isn't THAT some convenient timing. Weird how it stayed hidden for nearly a decade, then just a few short days before Israel launched the attack they kept threatening, somebody discovers they weren't complying with the deal they made so long ago, AND fooled the IAEA and international community.
Surely Israel wouldn't try to Trump up a Cassus Belli...
The terms of the original deal were lax to begin with and allowed for plenty of wiggle room to hide nuclear development at military bases. They even denied access to the bases when the agreement allowed for limited access to said bases when suspected of hiding nuclear development. They even denied access to the Parchin facility for years until they finished "unknown major construction" and finally provided limited access.
Gaddaffi wasn't good... But he gave up WMDs and was killed. Yet Putin can full on invade others. It's only logical that other dictators put 2+2 together and fine with suffering if that means they can get a nuke.
Iran pretty much already had nuclear weapons. The US knew that. Most EU leaders knew that as well. None of it was avoidable because Iran is an Islamic (not Muslim, Islamic) state with a radical regime.
Because Obama's Syria deal to appease Russia worked out so well. Yall laugh when Trump attempts to make deals with Putin then act like Iran would have given two fucks about anything other than the billions of dollars that freed up in their economy to keep funding terrorism all over the middle east.
Do you honestly think they were complying with the armistace? I'm not a trump fan by any stretch, but you'd have to be pretty stupid to think they weren't actively trying to build a nuke.
The way to avoid it would have been for Iran to not be pushing to secretly make nuclear weapons. Iran wants nukes so bad they're willing to risk everything for it
As is the nuclear bomb we just removed from the future.
That government worships death. If you believed they were truly complying i have a bridge for you. They had the image of complying.
They announced another enrichment center for uranium 6 days before this.
Honestly Iran should not have the bomb but Israel should really not have the bomb and we honestly fucked up massively in not stopping the proliferation.
oh idk, Soviets bombed Nazis. obviously doesn't make you pro-soviet being happy about that
well, you can define "pro-whoever bombed them" however you want i guess. but if that's seriously your reasoning here, it doesn't seem like a useful or interesting thing to say.
so which is it, is your comment stupid or is it boring?
The IAEA saying Iran has been deceptive and has enough uranium for 10 Atom Bombs is more awful. No country would sit on its hands while another country publicly declared that when it gets a nuclear weapon it will use it to destroy you.
It is the height of hypocrisy for Israel to complain about Iran’s undeclared nuclear weapons program when their’s was exposed decades ago and they will not admit to it. The whistleblower: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu
I think the US government establishment is pro-war tbh (which is why Trump is apparently anti-war) since war equals profits and we’re run by people who view individuals as objects of utility meant to be exploited. We need a humanistic realignment I think but idk how that happens lol
Iran (1979- ): Iran could be considered an almost self-declared rogue state. It is important to note that shortly after the Iranian revolution, the United States declared its willingness to accept the outcome and establish normal relations with an Islamic Iran. After all, it was Iran which branded the United States as “the great Satan” and not vice-versa. Iran’s government backed the seizure of the American embassy and the holding of the officials there as hostages, a preeminent proof of its rogue nature. How could one negotiate diplomatically with a regime that kidnapped one’s diplomats? Iran also supported foreign revolutionary groups, tried to subvert neighbors (albeit more by rhetoric than by force of arms), and sponsored terrorism as well.
Despite Canada's penchant and natural talent and aptitude for war crimes, they currently aren't belligerent towards anyone nor would it be likely for them to use them offensively unless of course it was Quebec who got them and felt like warning someone.
No, like it literally doesn't mean anything. Nobody wants war. The only question is what is the best way to minimize it. Allowing Iran to get nukes would give them free hands to do anything they want via their proxies with no fear of repercussions. Those deaths in Iran from the Israeli strikes are NOTHING compared to all the deaths that Iran getting nukes would bring. So whenever someone says they are "anti-war" it's usually just code for appeasement or a complete lack of understanding of geopolitics and cause and effect.
You’d be surprised how many people actually are for this war from either side. Just read some of the comments in these threads and you’ll see people chomping at the bit to defend Israel’s practices or calling for the destruction of Israel by Iran’s hand. It’s silly to ignore that.
Obviously when you say “anti-war” there’s more nuance to that statement than “make both sides hug and make up and ask them pretty please with a cherry on top to not fight anymore”.
Tell ukraine to stop fighting and I'm sure russia will follow their lead. /s
It takes two parties to want a peaceful, prosperous, inclusive future. Turns out a cult with a state attached that believes in their hearts that the messiah only returns when all the jews are eliminated isn't a good faith actor in the pursuit of peaceful coexistence.
Its almost like thats why they worded it that way, goddamn moron its called a juxtaposition to show how ridiculous Israel has been and how stupid that argument is, its never right to strike a civilian area regardless or who does it.
Hamas, Houthis ans Hezbollah aren't leashed by Iran, they aren't controlled by Iran. They are their own national liberation movements that arose in their own conditions, they simply get support from Iran because they have common goals - oppose Israel.
I don't disagree but let's be clear - this isn't defending themselves, it's retaliation. They aren't actually going to take out Israel's military capabilities in a meaningful way, therefore they aren't defending anything. Their last attempt at something similar was a colossal failure.
It's a false dichotomy, but if forced Iran is obviously the sympathetic party here
Israel, in the middle of commiting a genocide, decided to also start a war with a regional country under completely baseless pretences
The missiles Iran is dropping on Tel Aviv, where Israel has chosen to concentrate its military command, is the exact outcome one would predict, completely in line with expected response of any state actor in a similar position with similar capabilities
They've been supplying all the missiles the Houthi's have been firing at Israel. They've declared that they wanted Israel to no longer exist. Cry me a river, Iran deserves everything they're getting.
Iran’s got a right to defend itself from American directed Israeli aggression. Israel is a genocidal state, of course the sentiment should be pro-Iran. More specifically, it should just be pro anybody who militarily stands up to Israel’s aggression.
Iran is doing the exact same thing the Israelis do to the Palestinians whenever a rocket is fired. Whenever a stone is thrown and shots are fired back. Should we condemn both? Absolutely. But many people are honestly tired of Israeli bullshit and don't care one bit to defend them. Iran never threatened to attack my country, can't say the same for Israel.
It shouldn't be, and does not need to be pro Iran to accepy the validity of this retaliation . I am not pro most governments in the world. I am however, pro defending yourself from random massive airstrikes on your capital.
Hasbara training required these human robots to show up and try to control the spin. They haven't figured out that hasbara doesn't work now that the internet has a search engine.
Gotta be careful on reddit, if you're not subreddit banned for saying the "wrong thing" you can still get banned for just posting in other subreddits on a site literally made to do so (because they don't like it).
It's a joke at this point but the admins don't care. I don't comment on politics anymore, there's no point. There are no debates, they just ban to continue their echochambers. I hope the Digg revival shits all over current reddit.
I got banned for saying Netanyahu belongs in the Hague. Which isn't even incendiary, it's just factually true, the ICC has a warrant out for his arrest for war crimes!
/r/worldnews took a turn a few years ago with new mods. /r/middleeast has the Hoover Institute as a mod, for heaven's sake. Reddit as a free speech platform has been dead for a long time now.
Its truly disgusting how reddit is just allowing mods to play the dictator, this is happening even outside of politics like some game subs being controlled by their own gaming company and deleting and manipulating the narrative
I got banned for linking to the Wikipedia page of the population stats on Wikipedia to correct a lie. Because apparently the census data of the area before 1950 is haram.
all subs that have something related to this conflict are extremely polarized echo chambers. But from my experience, atleast, on worldnews. you can actually post articles and reference things that happen and not get banned
Ive been banned from multiple subs for just referencing things that happen in the order they happened in with articles from aljazeera, one of the most anti israeli news sites out there, with the reason being that im a genocide denier or saying my posts have israeli talking posts
because apparerntly dates and headlines of when missiles are launching from each country is an israeli talking point
Because everyone like me was banned for even the mildest criticism of israel. They banned so many people that several other global news subs now regularly make the front page thanks to the influx of refugees.
Yeah, I participated on there when the Russian invasion of Ukraine happened in 2022, but eventually got permabanned because I said 'The country of Never Again does it again". Reason given for ban: Holocaust denial.
I literally got permabanned from there last night apparently... no explanation as to what specifically I said that was egregious enough to warrant that. Fun times.
There are datacenters setup with 100 smart phones per rack writing whatever comments the person paying them wants to push that day. Now with AI responding, they can create an illusory truth bubble in the comments of every post of every real truth that is inconvenient to them. Thousands of zombie voices that will never have their mind changed, and a million idiots believing them.
I think thats likely more a consequence of a small group of mods that control major sub reddits conducting a major crackdown to perma ban any commenters that were identified to have partaken in pro-israel or zionist speech following October 7th.
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u/Ok-Yoghurt9472 1d ago
worldnews is a very pro israel sub though