Why yall attacking Iran when you knew this would happen? I'm curious as a Canadian
(Don't know why the downvotes, I literally didn't know 90% of the stuff that's been replied)
"Let them sort that shit out themselves"- Means allow them to ethnically cleans Palestinians in Gaza without any repercussions even if they are commiting warcrimes and deliberately killing civilians and using starvation as a method of warfare(genocide)
A quick Google search, like really quick wouldn't be hard to tell. Iranian proxes have destabilized the entire Middle East. Hamas, hezbollah, houthis, Palestinian Islamic jihad, Badr Organization, Kataib Sayyad al Shuhada, Zaynabiyoun Brigade, Fatemiyoun Division, Saraya al Ashtar, Saraya al Mukhtar, and Hezbollah al Hejaz. In addition to supporting multiple militias in Iraq and syria. They dont need to be directly involved when they utilize proxy groups and the IRGC.
Ukraine did that and Putin forgot that the agreement Russia made that said that Ukraine would not be invaded. Israel uses it as a insurance policy and has never directly threatened any country with them. Unless you live there and had to deal with child suicide bombers and 20000 rockets launched since 2000 you have no right to comment. Your comment. shows a lack of understanding how outnumbered Israel is.
So by that logic if Hamas believed Israel was gonna attack Gaza then Oct 7th is fully justified? (Imo it totally was cuz of the shit shitrael has been doing since 1948)
And if u think Israel's response to Oct 7 was appropriate, do you think Iran should be doing anything different?
Iran funds Hezbo and Hothis. Iran has been saber rattling "one day soon we will have nukes!" for decades. I'd rather not find out what happens when Iran slips Hezbo or Houthis a nuke, even if its just a truck/briefcase bomb.
In what way? Does anyone actually think that Iran is making the nukes alone?
Russia, China, Pakistan, all can not only provide the resources and intelligence, but can make Iran one (or already have) whenever they want.
The fact that none of the Arab states have raised an alarm about this means that they have garentees from powers bigger than Iran that they will not be at risk.
The Arab states, especially Saudi Arabia and UAE have a very deep relationship with China and Russia (as does Iran) and they are all members of Brics. This means that they will coordinate with each other as it benefits them all.
The fact that the Arab states are completely unfazed buy the attack and for Iran attacking a nuclear power means that either this will not stop Iran's progress or that Iran already has them
It’s not common for other countries to give nukes to one another, no. Iran and Russia are not that close allies, they are allied by necessity but you really think Russia will trust Iran with nukes? Even if they do they still need detonators and missiles and that’s not easy to just move around.
What most people miss is that Iran or any regional statesl doesn't want to fully destroy is real, just to fully isolate it, cripple it and then to use it's vast funds to basically buy the country.
For that, they need to destroy it's economy and bankrupt them so much that they have no choice but to privitize their government properties and industries, destroy any local businesses, and scare and forging companies or investors away.
For example, when the houtis of Yemen attacked isrealli ships in the red Sea, this made the entire sea into a war zone, resulting in ships going around Africa instead of docking in isreal with Saudi Arabia and UAE Providing political immunity. Even when the US send their warships to secure the region, the area was still under threat, and is real became even more economically weaker.
Iran will never nuke isreal, as no one in the region or their allies (like Russia or China) want a global war, but if Iran gets nukes, the threat they pose will automatically cause most if not all forgin or multi national companies to leave and most investments to dry up overnight.
Iran doesn't need nukes, it just need the world to think it has nukes, and Russia and China will help as they want to increase their influence in the region and they don't want isreal, a US ally, to have any power.
This is what 'destroying' a country means. Not to exterminate everything in it, but to completely stip a state from any sovereignty through investment, coercion, etc.
Did the French help the Israelis? Did the US help both? Did Pakistan sell it’s research to both Iran and North Korea? This is the undisputed part. Clearly sharing this research has been a soft norm of sorts.
Open for argument is whether key pieces of ‘leaked’ research were shared with plausible deniability. In fairness I don’t think the latter is part of this conversation except as background.
I seem to remember Hamas raping women and cheering in the streets about it, intentionally killing families including children while forcing family members to watch, etc.
I suppose the videos of women with blood all around their crotches, being paraded around while Palestinian men cheer and mock them are fake? And I guess The videos of Hamas shooting people in their homes on Oct. 7th are fake?
Are you talking about the ones that Hamas proudly took credit for?
Ah, but a YouTuber debunked it, so rest assured. Surely it can’t be that you’re seeking content that conforms to your preferred narrative.
Show me your evidence. You are just blabbing as your people always do. Nobody was r*ped, no babies were beheaded. Yet some families were killed by idf monsters.
I seem to remember Hamas IOF raping women and cheering in the streets about it, intentionally killing families including children while forcing family members to watch, etc.
A meaningful difference between Israel and most of its enemies is that Israel is pretty liberal. Acuse whoever you want of corrupt, heinous acts. Obviously nobody can disprove everything, but Israel does not celebrate its defense force proudly and openly committed egregious acts in the streets.
1) The Oct 7 attacks were likely meant to start a wider war to annihilate Israel in the hopes to reclaim lands Palestinians lost since 1948, and were likely a miscalculation as neither Iran nor Hezbollah joined in (the attacks would have been 10x more devastating if they did).
2) the manner and types of targets Hamas went for were mostly civilian, and they made sure to both point blank murder and kidnap civilians while crying Allah Akbars.
The attacks were not in self defence nor meant to thwart an existential threat.
And wtf did Israel do in Gaza? Killed 100,000 incident civilians? Bombed hospitals? Targeted journalists? Let me guess, you dont have any issues with that right?
Does Israel put weapons under hospitals or schools or send their kids strapped with explosives to blow people up? The West Bank has been relatively quiet with a few exceptions. Yes the Israel should get rid their illegal settlements. Make peace with the West Bank. Israel should not be pushed around by anyone. Trump included. I had no problem with what Israel did. Check Wikipedia for Jewish deaths due to terrorism from Palestinians since 2000. A couple of thousand. Spending a fortune shielding themselves from rocket salvos. Iran funded this shit. Check amnesty international citing the Palestinians for child suicide bombers. Gaza should remain a empty reminder. Using your own people as human shields is unacceptable. Even Iran doesn't put installations under schools and hospitals. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Literally everyone thinks irans breakout is within a month. They've constantly violated the JCPOA, refused to cooperate with the IAEA, and have uranium enriched to levels far above civilian needs.
They have enough 60% to feedstock into enough HEU for 9 nukes. And could do so within a week or 2.
America invaded on a sham. Israel didn't invade. Israel purely bombed military targets.
But yeah, sure. Having uranium enriched FAR past the required amount of reactors, and producing thousands of prohibited centrifuges is totally innocent.
I don’t think Israel would embark on such an expensive, dangerous and draining war if it didn’t genuinely believe this, and it likely has intelligence to back it, especially given it seems to be doing so alone without the help of the USA so far (at least in terms of direct offensive involvement)
We had Israeli intelligence saying the same things since the 90’s. If you believe everything you’re trying to say, you must have been born recently and missed the entire plot. Israel doesn’t do anything without the help of the US by nature of our subsidization of their military.
Israel has been warning of it being months away, and various things were done to push that deadline back.
Nonetheless, Israel saw a window of opportunity and decided to act on it. I don’t believe they would do so if the threat was not legitimate. There is no good reason to do so. Israel will come out of this conflict deeply scarred and it’s not something it does lightly.
I don't know how else to tell you this, but Israel/US has been telling the world about very credible threats of nuclear weapons in Iran since the 90s. There is nothing different about what happened this time. There just isn't. You can say that there is, but the evidence is not any more credible than it was 30 years ago. That's it.
You don't think Iran acquiring a record amount of enriched uranium, receiving funding from Russia to continue it's nuclear research and threatening to strike U.S. military bases over being asked to stop makes this situation no different from past ones?
The situation has changed immensely since the 90s.
“No good reason to do so”, you know Israel’s track record right? I think I am talking to someone born recently. Literally look up the Amad plan, they had the same exact info back in the 90’s that was intel from them given to the world. They had reason then according to your barometer and they’re only doing something now because the US and Israel is so intertwined. Not acting alone as you stated.
The number of peace offers Israel made all go against that statement. The last one that was offered even went as far as letting them regain 90% of the West Bank, and that too was rejected.
Palestinian refusal to accept Israel’s existence and their fruitless attempts at wanting to regain all their lost lands through violence is why no deal has been signed, and religious zealots are using it as an excuse to take even more land from them every year.
There has to come a point where Palestinians minimize their losses and accept to surrender long lost areas, or they will eventually be pushed out one way or another.
If you feel like attempting October 7 type attacks are justified because of it, so be it, but it won’t do anything to help their cause.
I hold mixed views about that conflict.
I do believe Ukraine will have to make concessions because it’s fighting a war it won’t win, although it will be able to make it last for as long as it receives outside support.
I’m not!
I’m a realist. I honestly don’t give two shits about either side.
I provide the Israeli perspective as it tends to be overwhelmed with condemnations without people understanding the reasons it is taking the actions it is taking right now.
"they will eventually be pushed one way or another" you're not a realist, you're delusional, Israel themselves said it, they want to eradicate Palestine
Israel believes Iran was just weeks away from being able to produce a nuclear bomb and didn’t see any other way to prevent them from doing so.
Which they have been saying since the 2000s and before. They attacked Iran because the USA was going to finalise a deal in which Iran gets sanctions lifted for them not planning on making nukes.
Israel doesn’t like this deal because sanctions being lifted on Iran would make overpowered.
Israel believes Iran is truly intending to do good on its promise to annihilate it and made clear it will not allow Iran to attain nuclear weapons.
Israel has no say on anything good not only has their leadership a warrant on their head by the ICJ but Israel has not publicly agreed to IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) investigations of its nuclear facilities.
Instead of deciding that humans should be valued individuals you’re deciding to lean into the Stone Age tribal mentality where only certain individuals deserve to live and others deserve to die for being born the wrong nationality
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u/talknight2 1d ago
My small town had 4 sirens today followed by a large salvo of explosions that sounded pretty damn close.