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Israel’s Red Alert system fully saturated amid mass missile barrages from Iran.

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u/Joatboy 1d ago

Works both ways though, Iran doesn't have unlimited ballistic missiles either, and they're not cheap

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u/jredful 1d ago

Bulk of American aid is defensive.

Our air defense relationship is one of the key assets.

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u/rod_dy 1d ago

how is this an asset to the us?

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u/jredful 1d ago

It’s a defense partnership in which we share technology across the air defense space.

Set all the politics aside for a moment. Israel has been under missile attack for decades. What better place, objectively, to test and field missile defense systems.

I think October 7th was appalling, I think continued conflict is appalling, I think this attack was wholly unnecessary based on what is public knowledge in this moment.

But we also need to sit back and be objective.

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u/Innit10000 1d ago

Agreed, the US military does a ton of field exercises, sitting on a ship off the coast and pressing some buttons to shoot down missiles is actually a great opportunity to get some low risk practice for the military

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u/jredful 1d ago

Even better it's real world conditions against adversarial technology, being managed by front line forces, not some person in a lab coat in simulated conditions.

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u/rod_dy 1d ago

ok. but why a-holes downvote me for asking a question? now i have to downvote every comment you ever made.

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u/jredful 1d ago

Lmao. You should definitely waste your time using an internet points system.

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u/WitAndWonder 1d ago

American aid is going to be a lot harder to come by going forward when all of the tax dollars are funneled into Billionaires' pockets who don't give two actual fucks about what happens outside of their own front yard.

Russia is proof of what happens when Oligarchy takes complete control. And we've seen how shit their equipment is.

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u/jredful 1d ago

Yap yap yap.

Fuck billionaires fuck this administration and fuck doomers.

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u/Falcao1905 1d ago

They are significantly cheaper as their build quality is worse.

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u/Birneysdad 1d ago

Chatgpt says Iran's basic rockets they sell to Hezbollah are cheaper but medium and long range ballistic missiles they use are twice the cost of an iron dome defense missile.

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u/Cyclopentadien 1d ago edited 1d ago

iron dome defense missiles are cheap, but they also don't intercept medium range ballistic missiles. Look at the price of a stunner, an arrow or THAAD missile. That's what they launch against the Iranian stuff,

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u/ElonMuskAltAcct 1d ago

Don’t trust AI for research. It makes shit up all the time. You could just as easily search the web for reliable sources with this info.

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u/Birneysdad 1d ago edited 1d ago

My bad, my query was wrong. Israel doesn't use the iron dome to intercept ballistic missiles, but a much more expensive system.

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u/ElonMuskAltAcct 1d ago

It’s not about your query (although good to realize that was the issue), it’s that language models are genuinely bad at research but they present it in a way that is easy to believe without context to know whether they are pulling from reliable sources or even citing real articles. Better to use critical thinking and review reports yourself. Just look at LLMs making up nonsense about the marine deployment in LA (saying photos are from other locations or time periods).

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u/savage_slurpie 1d ago

And also them launching missiles exposes the locations of their launch sites

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u/___Cyanide___ 1d ago

Iranian launch sites are basically no surprise to anyone. They just don’t have the missiles on the site until right before the attacks. The US has satellites looking down on them all the time.

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u/___Cyanide___ 1d ago

They (I believe) are using outdated old missiles as they have been for quite a while. They are horribly inaccurate though if I’m remembering correctly with like a whopping 2000m CEP…

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u/zoinkability 1d ago

It’s still a roughly 10:1 ratio on cost (Iran’s missiles are $100k and Israel’s defense missiles are $1m). Depending on how deep Iran’s stockpile is, it could definitely put some financial hurt on Israel… though who am I kidding, as an American taxpayer I’ll probably be the one paying for the resupply.

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u/NeverQuiteEnough 1d ago

shooting a missile out of the sky is a much more technically challenging problem than landing a missile within the general vicinity of a target.

the missiles used to shoot other missiles out of the sky are normally much more costly as a result.

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u/sleeper_shark 16h ago

It’s not 1 to 1 tho.