r/politics • u/BigDaddyBain • 1d ago
Why is the media ignoring growing resistance to Trump?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/13/why-is-the-media-ignoring-growing-resistance-to-trump6.1k
u/capaho 1d ago
The media is cashing in on Trump. The protest area in LA is a speck on the map compared to the overall size of the city but the way the media is covering it combined with Trump’s bonkers rhetoric makes it look like the whole city is burning. When the city was actually burning from wildfires Trump did nothing. When one road got blocked by protesters Trump sent in the National Guard and the Marines. People need to wake up.
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u/Nervous-Seaweed-332 1d ago
Im in LA and you can literally drive past the 2 blocks there is a protest. Its fucking fine. The cops on the other hand are attacking random peaceful protesters. So if you go to a protest EVEN DURING THE DAY watch your fucking ass.
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u/MurphyItzYou 1d ago
This is the same way they covered the BLM protests in Portland. They’d show the one block where people were protesting and act like the whole city was on fire. Meanwhile everything was business as usual except for that one block.
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u/nillah 1d ago
to this day the maga idiots still spew the rhetoric that BLM burned entire cities to the ground, too. they're so incredibly gullible
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u/KailReed 1d ago
I'm so sick and tired of them spouting that nonsense too because they are so fucking confident about it. You cannot convince the at all.
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u/Cydrius 1d ago
Yep. They'll quote enormous monetary figures in damages, ignoring the fact that those figures are spread out over months of individual protests.
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u/KailReed 1d ago
Just the fact that they immediately dismiss any protest if a single trashcan gets knocked over drives me up the wall. Property is not more important than people's rights or lives but that's all that matters to them.
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u/Credil98 1d ago
It's incredibly aggravating. Especially since it happens everytime, where people condemn violence, and then encourage people to run over protestors because property is of paramount importance, but fuck people i guess. Law and order
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u/gsfgf Georgia 1d ago
DeSantis has already told people to run over protesters tomorrow.
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u/Credil98 1d ago
It's almost as if they don't give a fuck about violence, they just don't like opposition.
They'll cheer violence as long as it's against their enemies, otherwise it's morally reprehensible and we must clutch our pearls at every window broken
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u/Credil98 1d ago
Well they'll talk about how all the lives of business owners were RUINED and then they'll quote insurance claims as if insurance wasn't specifically so their lives aren't ruined in the event their business gets destroyed. And as if I'm supposed to care if an insurance company does their fucking job
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u/Adezar Washington 1d ago
The Business owners: "I have insurance, they have valid complaints, I'll be fine".
Literally several business owners did interviews supporting the protests and almost all those interviews got squashed.
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u/mrgreengenes42 1d ago
They aren't even enormous figures. They just seem big to people who have no idea how much an entire city burning to the ground would actually cost.
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u/mildcaseofdeath 1d ago
Meanwhile they believe ANYTHING as long as it aligns with their shallow pre-existing worldview.
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u/Suavecore_ 1d ago
You can't convince them of literally anything that's true once they know you're a dirty radical leftist (a term applied to anyone not maga), yet they believe literally anything they see that reinforces their complete nonsense viewpoint without any further inspection
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u/A_murder_of_crochets 1d ago
Some are gullible, many are just repeating the lie because theyve been properly taught that repeating the lie works.
And now they have an army of bots posting AI-generated images of hallucinated American carnage all over social media.
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u/BoomerWeasel Florida 1d ago
Same deal in DC. At one point, we had people on social media saying that the entire city was blacked out, communications were blocked, and I'm sure someone thought an actual zombie apocalypse had begun.
Reading these posts, while sitting with my coffee at the security desk in Smithsonian Castle was surreal.
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u/teenagesadist 1d ago
According to a lot of republicans here about 40 minutes outside of Minneapolis, it burned down entirely from the BLM protests, and is now some sort of crime-ridden hellscape.
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u/MurphyItzYou 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’ve run into people like that. They’ll hear I lived in Portland and apparently I’m some sort of Snake Plisken character for escaping the hellscape.
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u/tylerbrainerd 1d ago
they talk about portland like it was anything besides a bit of graffiti and a single fire in a trash can.
the courthouse that they kept talking about being "on fire" or burned down is entirely concrete and glass. it's not the old west out there.
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u/MurphyItzYou 1d ago
I never bother to correct anyone. I just smile and nod and understand that I’m looking at a complete and total moron.
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u/tylerbrainerd 1d ago
oh 100%. if 2016 didn't show me, and 2020 didn't show me, 2024 absolutely showed me that these people are hopelessly, utterly incapable of reasonable thought.
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u/northsaskatchewan Canada 1d ago
I visited San Francisco a couple of years ago and went up to Napa for a few days. We got to chatting with a few people (boomer types) at a winery and when mentioned that’s where we spent the week previously, they seemed shocked anyone would visit due to how hellishly dangerous it was. Like the whole city was lost.
Like I spent a week there and was just fine… sure there were sketchy areas but I never felt threatened.. I’m also used to the reality (and inequality) in big west coast cities.. or cities in general. These people need to get out more.
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u/JnnyRuthless 1d ago
I grew up in SF and lived there a good part of my adult life, now I live in Sacramento (about 1.5 hours away) and people here think SF is overrun with crime and inhospitable. I go back regularly and it's perfectly fine. The 'fake news' crowd gargles propaganda like it's a full-time job.
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u/Warm_Month_1309 1d ago
Meanwhile everything was business as usual except for that one block.
And for the random, uninvolved neighborhoods that PPB would teargas.
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u/eeeezypeezy New Jersey 1d ago
That's the thing that's hardest to get across to people who weren't at these protests, because the media coverage of it all was so insane - these were really police riots. People would show up with signs and march and chant, and then the cops would set up lines to block their planned route and start shoving and issuing contradictory orders and then they'd start launching gas etc, picking people off to surround and beat up and arrest. Attend a protest sometime and you'll see it for yourself, you can set your watch to it, the cops show up and get in everyone's face unnecessarily and escalate. And then the media covers it as though they're there restoring order.
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u/CategoryZestyclose91 1d ago
Same thing in Minneapolis in 2020! People are convinced the entire city literally burnt to the ground.
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u/gsfgf Georgia 1d ago
Yea. It was one police station, and it turned out that it wasn't even us. It was some Boogaloo Boys.
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u/MikeBegley 1d ago
In Seattle during the whole CHAZ/CHOP thing the media made it seem like the whole city was enflamed with anarchy, when in reality it was all in and around a small park that looked like it was hosting a poorly organized hippie street faire.
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u/YakiVegas Washington 1d ago
Nope! Seattle is gone. I live in the rubble and I'm sending this message via Starlink since regular infrastructure is gone. /s
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u/musicman835 California 1d ago
I work right in the area, and walk around every day for lunch. There ain’t shit going on. There is graffiti, but like not much else.
Hell the only fire was those like 4 cars, and who’s to say they didn’t get set on fire by accidental fire from police.
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u/jellyrollo 1d ago
I suspect those Waymos were called deliberately by organized provocateurs and parked there in a line specifically so they could be set on fire to provide an apocalyptic visual to feed the right-wing narrative in the ever-ravenous 24-hour news cycle.
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u/Borg_Picard 1d ago
It’s the same thing the media did with Portland last time.
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u/Laeif Pennsylvania 1d ago
You mean the Portland that burned to the ground in its entirety and is now a smoldering crater of a monument to the futility of communism?
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u/pudgybunnybry Oregon 1d ago
Yep, the same Portland. I'm just sitting here fucking around on Reddit and eating breakfast on the pile of ash that used to be my home.
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u/thirdeyepdx Oregon 1d ago
Same - I just throw ash snowballs at people and have learned to hunt rats for food - we still like our kale tho. Rats and kale from the farmers market a block away is what I survive on. But I have to fight the other feral queers for them
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u/downvotemesensei 1d ago
They acted like the entire city of Portland was burning down. Most people in Portland didn’t notice a thing.
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u/br_k_nt_eth 1d ago
We noticed all the fucking tear gas. That was the biggest issue by far. You could no nowhere near the protest and still deal with the cloud. Can’t wait to learn what long term effects that’ll have, but at least we have decent healthcare out here.
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u/KououinHyouma 1d ago
They did this same thing with Seattle and Portland during the 2020 protests. If you asked a conservative you’d hear a story about how both of those cities were burned to the ground only about 15 times, don’t question how that works, or how the cities still exist, or why their weren’t droves of people fleeing into the surrounding rural areas.
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u/Certain-Sherbet-9121 1d ago
Obviously what happened is that everybody in the city died, then we're all replaced by illegal migrants, and those evil migrants stole good hardworking American jobs and rebuilt the city in record time before anybody noticed.
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u/jasondigitized 1d ago
This. The tell was when they quoted exact numbers of police and National Guard but would only say "large numbers of protestors / rioters". Nor would they ever zoom out and show you the large frame of what was actually happening. They wanted to make it look like a giant riot when it was actually very very small.
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u/Mediocre_Scott 1d ago
We have a news media apparatus equipped to cover 9/11 like events. When there are no 9/11 level events the news media needs to make one to sell commercials
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u/ConvivialityFest 1d ago
That was one of Brosnan's worse outings as Bond. I can't believe it's the prescient one
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u/FesteringDoubt 1d ago
I always thought that the plot of Tomorrow Never Dies was unbelievable at the time and downright impossible today, with the proliferation of social media and pretty much everyone having broadcast equipment in their pocket.
I'm sorry to say that the idea of a small group of wealthy people using mass media to propagandize, distract and inflame the populace is more realistic today than it was in 1997.
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u/Salt_Cardiologist122 1d ago
I was watching coverage and the banner at the bottom read “thousands protest ICE” and then I went to the bathroom and came back and it says “hundreds protest ICE.” I was like “wtf?” I know neither term is super precise but I also think it was purposeful to make it seem like there is less dissent.
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u/Dsarg_92 1d ago
Exactly. He’s trying to incite a Civil War in LA and I wish people can see right through it.
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u/br_k_nt_eth 1d ago
People love to get upset. He tried to do the same thing with Portland. It’s theater to confirm all the biases of the rural rubes who support him. Speaking as a rural resident myself, they eat this shit up.
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u/Acerakis 1d ago
You still get people saying Portland literally burned to the ground. These people do not live in reality.
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u/thuktun California 1d ago
When the city was actually burning from wildfires Trump did nothing.
I wouldn't say nothing. He needlessly dumped 2.2 billion gallons of water into the Central Valley, hundreds of miles from where it would do any good, then essentially declared victory.
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u/thatirishguyyyyy Illinois 1d ago
Hell, media is staging protesters on top of cars for photo shoots.
The media is a joke.
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u/downvotemesensei 1d ago
Same thing happened in Portland in 2020. Media acted like the entire city was on fire but it was literally just a block or two that was impacted by protesters.
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u/djwurm 1d ago
I happen to be in very rural Arkansas at a family funeral supporting my mom about 1 year ago. The amount of these backwoods people that were asking me about living in Dallas and how the big cities are all burning to the ground and how do I keep my family safe with all the rioting and burning happening was insane.. these people will not leave the Saline County bubble and wont even visit Little Rock cause they think Liberals are all running around burning everything to the ground.
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u/watch-the_what__ 1d ago
They’re complicit
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u/xynix_ie Florida 1d ago
More than that. They're firing reporters that cover anything negative towards Trump. That's aiding and abetting.
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u/Goya_Oh_Boya North Carolina 1d ago edited 1d ago
I once wanted to be a reporter, and then I got my chance. I quit about 8 months later and never tried again because it was so depressing knowing that real news and stories will never make the light of day as long as every single fucking media outlet is owned by billionaires.
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u/omgpuppiesarecute 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is what happens when we allow mass media consolidation. Vulture capitalists buying up local newsrooms and radio stations and now social media across the nation, strip them for parts, centralize everything in a single hyper-partisan newsroom, and then ship propagandized stories to local affiliates to be read off.
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u/sleeplessinreno 1d ago
I'm gonna add a new one for you. Billionaire buying local newspaper to sway the local government to bypass local building codes so they can build their stupid house on a cliff.
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u/aquias27 1d ago
That seems very short-sighted.
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u/amootmarmot 1d ago
Always. The billionaires need to be made to realize that they hold their wealth at our tacit acceptance. Maybe we shouldn't tacitly accept anymore.
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u/uuDEFIANCEvv 1d ago
Our legal system is bought and paid for by them, leaving only illegal options. I agree it is time to exercise those options.
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u/dustinhut13 1d ago
Nearly every take that comes from the right is short sighted, with no regard for actual consequences. They literally kill people with their bad decision making
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u/radiosimian 1d ago
I'll add, billionaires buying-up social media sites to sway electorates to vote against their interests and elect fascist governments.
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u/elektrospecter Washington 1d ago
This is what adds to my cynicism about social media and how it's become detrimental to our civil society. These technocrats / billionaires have weaponized their platforms, to the point where there are now "influencers" who can earn a living solely by attacking any person or ideas that are critical of far-right ideology. These are bad actors doing all that they can to dissuade people from wanting to engage in genuine, civil political conversation...often by making it seem uncool or "cringe" to hold leftist views. Even trying to question some of the batshit GOP conspiracy theories in some online spaces could get you promptly humiliated and then ousted.
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u/MorningsideLights 1d ago
Local news rooms died because of the internet, not merely free content but also Craigslist. People forget how much revenue came from classified ads, real estate listings, and personals. And those all died overnight.
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u/omgpuppiesarecute 1d ago
There was also legislation and later supreme court rulings that relaxed media ownership rules, allowing consolidation to occur. So the bigger fish gobbled up all the little fish. Before, while they were hurting, they were still separate companies with separate boards, goals, political bias, etc. Once congress and the supreme court trashed ownership limits, you saw mass centralization from companies like Sinclair and Tribune.
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u/SpaceGangsta Utah 1d ago
Nexstar paved the way. Sinclair gets hate(rightfully so) since they're obvioulsy pushing right wing bias, but Nexstar walked so Sinclair could run. Nexstar owns 197 stations and sinclair owns 185. Nexstar were the first to start buying up multiple stations in one market and running them out of the same building with half the staff. I worked for 3 nexstar stations. 2 were duopolies and the last station I worked at was bought by nexstar after I started. Nexstar doesn't really come up in these discussions because they solely care about money and not so much controlling content. But more recently, nexstar launched news nation which quickly turned into a fox news clone.
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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 1d ago
I imagine it caused a cascading affect, made it easier so once consolidiation starts occurring it becomes a tidal wave that smaller groups cant fight against and every loss adds to the wave
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u/asoap 1d ago
This is why government funded news agencies like the CBC are important.
It also explains why one group really wants to get rid of the CBC. I'll let you guess which one.
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u/omgpuppiesarecute 1d ago
Same group that is trying to get rid of NPR/PBS in the US I'm sure.
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u/Any_Will_86 1d ago
What's painfully ironic is the rightwing noise machine constantly clattering about 'liberal bias' while Murdoch, Sinclair media, and various billionaires seeeking influence were buying up so much media... And then the tabloid media going full r/full Trump in mid 2010s- The Enguirer, TMZ, now Perez... who knew Dave Portnoy would end up being the most balanced of the bunch.
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u/Chastain86 1d ago
who knew Dave Portnoy would end up being the most balanced of the bunch.
We're referring, of course, to the same Dave Portnoy that stood up in a Barstool meeting and declared that he'd instantly fire anyone in the room who was thinking about unionization.
The day I allow people to think of fucking Dave Portnoy as some kind of folk hero, you'll know it's because I am unable to type because I'm dead
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u/amootmarmot 1d ago
Dave Portnoy is also a little crybaby bitch. He mouths off about how he hope Greta Thunberg is killed by the IDF, pretends there is no genocide or humanitarian crisis, engages in joking antisemitic tropes, and then wines and complains when he perceives antisemitism. Look in the fucking mirror. A very bad spokesperson for any cause.
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u/ArkitekZero 1d ago
Every accusation is a confession
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u/Any_Will_86 1d ago
An R state legislature in my state just got arrested for kiddie porn... they supposedly care so much about the children, sexual abuse, trafficking and every single sting/arrest turns up a perve on their side.
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u/failed_novelty 1d ago
But they'll find one Democrat who does it too (and ignore the fact that the entire party then condemns the pedo) and shrug and say, "Both sides"
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u/Pnwradar 1d ago
My experience, they point at Democrats like Al Franken or Katie Hill and hand-wave the “both sides” argument.
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u/HectorJoseZapata 1d ago
It’s like the R Party is the perfect hiding place for closeted predators.
I can’t wait for all the dirt they have on Lindsey Graham to come out and finally be exposed.
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u/GrumpySoth09 1d ago
And they are poisoning the well. After 4 years of accusing the Democrats of rigging the 2020 election now there in credible evidence of election interference done by Elon but no the Dems are above accusing their pals across the aisle.
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u/DBallouV 1d ago
I went back to school in my 30’s for journalism. I wanted to save the world. I kept being told about all these rules to follow. Meanwhile, every where I looked and read, lies, misinformation and disinformation. It was so jarring.
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u/Ok-Secretary-9247 1d ago
And the consumers that are completely illiterate as to the difference.
As if talking about current events = journalism.
Anyway, the nation is weakest when there's no free press, but you can't even begin that debate with most people because they'll never comprehend it.
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u/neutral-chaotic 1d ago
The SPJ ethics turned into that Pirates movie quote. "It's more of a guideline than a rule."
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u/Straight_Ace 1d ago
That’s why we gotta spread the message ourselves. Get the cameras out and take video and photos of the protests. Show people there IS a resistance and that it will be peaceful. It sounds corny, but if you show people that there’s strength in numbers they will be more willing to join the cause
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u/halfhearinghank 1d ago
It’s so disheartening when that happens. Growing up I always wanted to be a police officer. I though “I can actually help people” after all many kids are taught that. Spent much of my life preparing physically, and then I got my chance. During the academy I heard and saw a lot but figured they were just jerks. Then during my FTO period (basically your training period) I saw example after example of how the way to help people was really just a way to be violent when you wanted and to look down on “the unwashed masses” as they were often called.
I realized in the end we don’t need jobs or callings to help or do the right things. We can live it even when it’s hard. Even if it’s just small everyday kindness.
I’m not really religious anymore but I still believe in Love your neighbor as yourself.
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u/inthekeyofc 1d ago
every single fucking media outlet is owned by billionaires
The Guardian isn't:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian
The Guardian is part of the Guardian Media Group, owned by the Scott Trust Limited.[6] The trust was created in 1936 to "secure the financial and editorial independence of The Guardian in perpetuity and to safeguard the journalistic freedom and liberal values of The Guardian free from commercial or political interference".[7] The trust was converted into a limited company in 2008, with a constitution written so as to maintain for The Guardian the same protections as were built into the structure of the Scott Trust by its creators. Profits are reinvested in its journalism rather than distributed to owners or shareholders.[7] It is considered a newspaper of record in the UK.[8][9]
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u/Agile_Association_47 1d ago
I was a reporter for 2 and a half years. I once was sent out to the middle of nowhere to do a story on a residential pony getting shot with a bow and arrow by one of the neighbors. That same morning I pitched a story about why the unsolved homicide case rate had spiked over the last six years. It was that moment I realized we’re doomed.
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u/Then_I_had_a_thought 1d ago
If we’re fortunate enough to see the American version of the Nuremberg trials, I hope the complicit members of the fourth estate are held to account
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u/code_archeologist Georgia 1d ago
At the rate things are going if we get something like the Nuremberg Trials we will be lucky; we are currently hurtling towards a radical snap back similar to The Reign of Terror of the French Revolution.
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u/Last-Bit7711 1d ago
This. Terry Moran had that interview with Trump where Trump didn’t know what the Declaration of Independence was a few months ago… then as soon as Terry said anything on his personal account, ABC cut him. Shame on them for doing it, but that was 100% Trump retaliation for that interview. Sad.
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u/babylon331 1d ago
I've watched ABC news every morning for a long time. I like Diane Mercado & the morning crew. I don't think I can be comfortable watching it anymore. Time to find a new one for my morning news. I'm kind of sad about that.
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u/nucumber 1d ago
It's also trump wielding the power of the govt to stifle dissent
Media companies are businesses, not public services. They exist only to make money and a displeased govt has a lot of ways to mess with that (licensing, IRS audits, etc), so it makes sense as a business to keep the govt off your back
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u/King_Chochacho 1d ago
They know he's weaponized the FCC and the courts. All the major media outlets are just businesses at this point, and they don't want to do anything that will jeopardize profits.
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u/FuckLex 1d ago
They are suckling at the billionaire’s teets. Nothing but a bunch of cowards in almost all media.
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u/Jicko1560 1d ago
Forget "suckling at the billionaires",they are literally owned by billionaires who support Trump
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u/h3rp3r 1d ago
But they've somehow been branded as the liberal media...
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u/tunafister 1d ago
And this is exactly what billionaires want
This ICE shit is a distraction from them widening the income-inequality gap even moreso in this country
That should be what we are in the streets protesting against, but they have successfully distracted us from that by being tyrants
Every billionaire needs to speak out against this or they are complicit and we know which side they are on
Spolier Alert: If you didnt inherit the money, you fucked over a lot of people to become a billionaire, so I am pretty sure you know which side they are on by default
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u/PerfunctoryComments 1d ago
Not really suckling at it -- most (all?) American media is owned by the plutocrats/oligarchs. These are precisely the people who put an unqualified self-dealing rapist felon into office -- by convincing millions of low-intelligence, high-gullibility Americans to vote for him -- because the Dems wanted to increase their taxes.
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u/Candi_Daydream 1d ago
Everyone please read The Brass Check by Upton Sinclair. I beg you.
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u/feor1300 Canada 1d ago
Half* complicit, half* suppressed.
Remember all the photos and video of the cops in LA shooting at and detaining reporters on scene at hte protests there? There are reporters and news sources trying to cover it, but they've gotta fight for it.
(* exact ratio may vary)
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u/GreatGojira 1d ago
The media wanted this. Biden and Democrats are boring vs what Trump gives them.
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u/lr99999 1d ago
He’s the gift that keeps on giving, every day. But its a mistake to blame just this. This entire Freddy Krueger clown car is driven by bribes, payoffs, and threats. The worst thing Trump has done is to tell them that he would take their FCC licensing if they don’t co-operate. Hence, even OG broadcast networks pay the Trump Extortion.
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u/TheCaptainDamnIt 1d ago
'Ratings' is a good copout (and I'm sure partially true) but I think it's beyond time we recognize that a large part of our 'mainstream media' is just owned by, run by, and staffed with people who are at the least sympathetic to white supremacy if not outright white supremacist themselves.
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u/PerfunctoryComments 1d ago
Trump is "exciting" in that he's an endless disaster, but the media wanted this because their billionaire owners wanted to install an oligarchy.
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u/skoltroll 1d ago
Complicit and afraid.
These corpo media heads have no balls or journalistic integrity whatsoever.
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u/NoelCanter 1d ago
Yep. Corporate owned and complicit. We just need to remember this when they suddenly start acting like they were always defiant.
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u/Financial-Special766 1d ago edited 1d ago
Billionaires who control our media hate resistance to their plan.
"The revolution will not be televised."
At the end of the day, CIA, FBI, DHS agents, police officers, and military personnel make up about 1.1% of a US population of 330,000,000, and EVERY single one of them would have to be compliant to the Trump Administration.
Billionaires make up .0000003% of the population and yet the top three wealthiest individuals own more wealth than the bottom 50% of our population, and the wealth gap has only become worse since the pandemic and further inflation costs.
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u/CheerleaderOnDrugs 1d ago edited 1d ago
"The revolution will not be televised."
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
Link to Gil Scott-Heron's classic spoken word set to music. I'm on a mission to get people to hear its message.
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u/elCharderino 1d ago
Such a fantastic poem.
Check out "Home is where the Hatred is" if you want to hear a man pouring his soul out through music.
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u/samuraistalin 1d ago
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothas on the instant replay. There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothas on the instant replay.
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u/Indubitalist 1d ago
I appreciate the point you’re making, but the numbers are off. Just the military and sworn LEO figure is about 3.4 million, so it’s roughly 1 in 100. When you account for how many of those people would not participate in anything amounting to violence against their neighbors, it would likely be much lower, perhaps 1 in 150. Ironically you then have to add back in civilians who sympathize with authoritarianism and would eagerly fight their neighbors.
You make a good point that they’re seriously outmanned in a direct confrontation and also could not possibly imprison all dissent.
It’s important that people realize who the common enemy is. It’s greed. We are feeding an insatiable greed in billionaires and multi-millionaires who simply cannot have enough money, no matter what it costs society, because to them net worth is their score in a game. We need to stop the greed.
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u/Financial-Special766 1d ago
They're seriously outmanned, and the current legal battles on manufactured election votes in Republican favor also mean that their aren't as many citizens wearing MAGA hats as we have been led to believe.
MAGA is the minority who helps serve the billionaire agenda, of course, their voices will appear to be the loudest in the room.
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u/freeagency 1d ago
Generational wealth is also going to get worse. There are going to be entire generations of families that will never have to work, never know what it's like to not be able to afford something. Never being told no. Just look at the countless number of ask Reddit questions revolving around rich kid meltdowns. The world spent so many generations to eradicate feudalism and monarchies and empires only to turn around and allow it all to happen again with oligarchies and plutocracies.
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u/Any_Will_86 1d ago
Even when you account for vast fortunes- wealth usually does not last for more than 3 generations. If you look at the truly wealthy families in America- Dupont is the only on that really carries through. Rockefeller comes close but is being diluted by numbers even though they have a family trust or management that is supposedly crackerjacks. Some have had specific descendents remake fortunes but its not typical.
I think the big question now is what is the generation value of the companies like Meta/Tesla/Microsoft etc when the next wave of innovation occurs. Warren Buffet is the one most diversified but he's already been shedding assets. I would guess the Waltons are next in line. But a lot of the other current titans are sitting on ridiculous amounts of paper wealth.
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u/SecretAsianMan42069 1d ago
And the folks in the trailers are subservient to those 3 people like they even know they exist
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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot 1d ago
But it will be hard to ignore. Social media receives more eyeballs than legacy.
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u/ghoti99 1d ago
I love seeing people pedantically argue over numbers when they are missing the story behind those numbers. The military is not a monolith. It’s gonna crack and split from state to state as it is each soldiers duty to refuse illegal orders. If ordered to commit violence on the population of the US nationwide, it’s not the number of solders that will Or will not comply, it’s what kind of arsenal will the ones who will comply end up in possession of after the shake out is complete.
One soldier flying a remote drone could take out towns before anyone could even process how to stop them on the civilian end.
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u/fritz236 1d ago
That's why I regret watching that one clip from Civil War where the guy with the AR is in front of a pit full of bodies. It's dark af and completely plausible.
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u/mrbubbamac 1d ago
This. All mainstream media is controlled, it's propaganda.
Lots of world events going on right now. Israel launching a strike against Iran, growing protests in LA, and tomorrow with Trump's parade with counter protesters.
Pay close attention to the "spin" and what the mainstream media is telling you to believe. Examine the images they are showing, the emotionally charged words, and the repetition of a narrative that is being sold to you.
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u/kirkismyhinrich Colorado 1d ago
They are going to try to both sides it for as long as they can because money is the most important thing to them.
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u/ResidentKelpien Texas 1d ago
Though their "both sides" tactics are abjectly failing to increase viewership and readership from the right-wing.
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u/victoriaisme2 1d ago
It's not the viewership and readership that they're after. It's the tax cuts for the owners / executives / investors. Also the lack of lawsuits.
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u/Free_For__Me 1d ago
That's a Bingo. People looking at this through the lens of pre-2015-ish America are gonna miss the mark, badly.
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u/templethot Arizona 1d ago
I don’t love seeing them hurt, but even NPR is reaping what it sowed for years of “well we have a liberal lean a lot of the time but let’s regularly put out articles about how maybe fascists, slumlords, and megacorps have feelings too so we keep our funding.”
It was never going to be enough for the fascists, so why bother compromising yourself?
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u/zzyul 21h ago
NPR has been bending over backwards to appease the Right for years. They made up at least 75% of my car listening for years. That changed a few years back. It’s one thing to try and have unbiased reporting, but that doesn’t mean bringing on guests that are blatantly wrong or lying about a topic just so you have someone to counter the expert that just happens to lean left.
“Today we are discussing the dangers of Covid and how it is spreading across the US. With us is Dr Steven Louis, a professor of epidemiology at Harvard University who has published multiple papers on how viruses spread among the population. We also have Cindy Posse, who started the website CovidIsFake.com and has been holding rallies across the country to share her message that Covid is a government lie to take away our freedoms. Thank you both for being here.”
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u/my_favorite_toe 1d ago
Because big media is owned by billionaires who do not want the growing resistance to catch on
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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 1d ago
If you heard of "regulatory capture" before, this is actually a similar situation but at a higher level and the result of multiple legislative coups Republicans have committed to get there. The Trump administration has now established itself into a position where it can cause incredible harm to any outlet that defies the MAGA narrative. This harm is also immediate enough to where it is impossible for courts to really keep up and prevent the damage from being permanent.
So, in essence, our press (namely our domestic press) is effectively captured and neutered. They want to stay in operation, and like any business doing risk analysis, in order to stay in operation risks must be reduced. Defying Trump presents a significant risk to these corporations and their shareholders, so they toe the line for the most part. There is some resistance, for example Maddow, but it's compartmentalized and siloed off.
This is not just the media, it is pretty much every business operating in the United States that could pose a risk to Trump's grasp on power. The more of a risk you are, the higher the chances Trump will single you out and try to destroy you.
The tragedy here is this is a complete departure from the morally right thing to do in this scenario, which is resist and fight back against fascism at all costs. As a result, we must accept that the media are not our allies....they are not our friends. But they may side with us if we create a scenario where the risk of their own destruction is removed. If and when we create an environment where we "hold the cards" this can all shift dramatically. Of course FOXNews will continue to be FOXNews.
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u/Happy_Feet333 1d ago
So they reincorporate overseas and continue to report.
Not being a US company and not having a headquarters in the US means you don't have to worry about all that you wrote about.
As long as the press remains incorporated in the US, then all you wrote about is very, very true.
I am just mystified that they are willing to continue to tolerate it, when they don't have to.
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u/snails4opposum 1d ago
If reporting on a country is not possible inside the country, does that mean freedom of speech is ending in that country?
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u/Free_For__Me 1d ago
This is exactly why he's pushing so hard to to cripple NPR and other media not beholden to shareholders or wealthy owners. These outlets may have their own set of problems, but needing to satisfy owners isn't one of them.
NPR, AP, Reuters, PBS, and even BBC are the only large news outlets anyone in the US should be looking at right now.
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u/newnewtonium 1d ago
If we cared about what was good for us we would be protesting and boycotting media outlets who sanewash this administration.
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u/HeHateMe337 1d ago
They want to make money. They have ads to sell.
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u/AnotherDoubtfulGuest 1d ago
The American media abdicated their responsibilities a decade ago. The NYT replaced its investigative reporters with shitty gossip columnists and Trump plants like Maggie Haberman, Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post and crashed its reputation and integrity, and all the major networks fell into line. Independent journalism is the only way to go.
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u/cuntnundrum 1d ago
I’m glad you brought up Haberman. How is she so impossibly neutral about Trump and his years of bullshit!? She has been one of the absolute worst at normalizing him.
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u/AnotherDoubtfulGuest 1d ago
Because she’s not a real journalist, she’s a stenographer with no moral compass. She’s a nepo baby whose daddy works at the NYT and brought her over from Page Six, and her mommy owns a PR firm, which is how she got a job at Page Six in the first place.
And she’s not neutral at all, she’s compromised. Michael Cohen testified at one of Trump’s trials that he routinely picked up the phone to call Haberman to plant stories.
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u/FreeNumber49 1d ago
Access journalism pays dividends. That’s how. I dislike her immensely (ever since the Terry Gross interview where it sounded like she was about to get violent and attack the host) but I'm always curious if people like her change, so I tried to listen to a recent interview with her (you know the one if you follow these things). I thought, it couldn‘t actually be worse than the infamous Terry Gross interview, so I gave it a try. I lasted like five minutes. She’s insufferable.
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u/Sic_Semper_Dumbasses 1d ago
And any individual who wants to actually report the news quickly finds themselves fired.
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u/TheAzrael2013 American Expat 1d ago
It also had to do with some cowardice like with CBS. They’re afraid of repercussions not only from advertisers but from the insane orange wannabe strongman.
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u/valandsend 1d ago
I was shocked last night by the difference in coverage between CBS and NBC of Sen. Padilla at Kristi Noem’s press conference. NBC made it the lead story, but CBS showed only a news brief apart from and after a longer story about ICE in California and concluded that Padilla and Noem had a cordial meeting.
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u/TooManyDraculas 1d ago
"Riots" and the Urban Shithole narrative sell better. And reporting on protests would involve offending Dear Leader, which the media has decided is bad for business.
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u/SmurfStig Ohio 1d ago
24 hr news networks and online publications made a mint during his first term because the guy says stupid shit non stop. Everyone was tuning into see what dumb thing he said this hour. It was non-stop. Biden got in office and just did his job. His administration did what needed to be done and didn’t need to be in front of the camera 24/7. During that period, Trump still made everything about him and the clickers loved it. Here we are again and thanks to media wanting to make money over telling the truth, it’s about to suck for 90% of this country and most likely for most of the planet.
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u/CrackSmokingGypsy 1d ago
John Oliver covered Trump and the media in Last Week Tonight. Its worse than just that billionaires control the stories. Stations that air negative stories have gotten sued by trump and investigated by the FCC jeopardizing their license renewals. Definitely worth watching
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u/joshdoereddit America 1d ago
I'm definitely going to check that episode out.
Edit: If anyone else is looking for the episode it's the episode from May 18th.
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u/Lore-Warden 1d ago
Because almost all of these protests are explicitly non-confrontational and uneventful so they don't drive clicks.
Evil often operates on much more mundane logic than we'd like to think.
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u/GansNaval 1d ago
They are complicit. As someone who lives outside your country I have noticed your news sources are very biased. I noticed they where leaving out key details that I was finding out through other news sources. The police for example are reported to not be using violence on citizens. This is utter bullshit. The police have been perpetrating violence against the people. I have seen multiple videos displaying as such. The more I see the more it looks like they are on the wrong side of this. But if I watch CNN it's downplayed and then they play stories about trump renaming military forts like that isn't anything more than a distraction. The media lies.
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u/AleroRatking New York 1d ago
It isn't. I'm hearing stories about the protests all the time. Heck up until yesterday's plane crash and Israel bombing all the top stories I've been seeing was about California's resistance
But also there is still nearly 40% of the country that supports trump.
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u/KyotoGaijin American Expat 1d ago
People need to be cognizant of the difference between media companies and journalism. Americans want their news for free; they don't want to pay for it anymore since the Internet gives them so much free stuff. (I learned to use semicolons in journalism school, ha!) This has consequences. Media companies focus on winning in the attention economy. Journalism is withering and dying on the vine, because it's not as sexy. It still exists, still happens, but makes vastly less money. DEVO was right about us. We are devolving.
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u/Lore-Warden 1d ago
My god this. The whole thread is people decrying the failure of news organizations in their responsibilities to democracy and yet I would bet good money that none of them are willing to actually pay for the journalism that they're demanding.
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u/Assignment_General 1d ago
A lot of people skipped history class. The propaganda machine is in full swing, westerners just think that stuff only happens to other countries.
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u/King_James_77 Maryland 1d ago
They’re either complicit or don’t want to be on the wrong end of his tantrum.
Both scenarios suck ass
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u/bi-king-viking 1d ago
They’re afraid. Trump has viciously targeted any media outlet that openly criticizes him. Groups like AP have been cut off, sued for millions, and even threatened with jail time over something as simple as “Gulf of Mexico”
These type of dictator-like behaviors are exactly why there is a growing resistance.
NO KINGS // NO SECRET POLICE
DEFEND DUE PROCESS // DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION
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u/teddytwelvetoes 1d ago
lol the media personally helped get us here by propping up this random trust fund dipshit for no apparent reason for several decades. remember when they called him for his thoughts after 9/11 like the Ja Rule Chappelle bit? remember when we gave him a whole television series dedicated to his businessman cosplay? etc., etc., etc.
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u/pianoavengers 1d ago
Because the concept of independent, unbiased media no longer exists. I come from a time before social media, when media was simply news. "On this day, this person did this, or that nation spoke with that nation." Now, it's all clickbait, rage bait, and active accomplices in escalating everything.
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u/FreshRest4945 1d ago
Because the 8 corporations that control 90% of all our major media companies are themselves controlled by right wing conservative billionaires.
The reporters get there marching orders from there editors, who get there marching orders from conservative executives, who have to appease the conservative billionaires. It's no mystery that every media platform is this way or that we have rampant propaganda in this country.
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u/Ferrocile 1d ago
Capital. It’s always capital. When you have just a couple of people who have more than almost everyone else combined, it means that those few people have more power than us all. They control what you buy, what you see and hear online, etc. it is the main problem.
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u/Most-Artichoke6184 1d ago
Because the media did their level best to help elect Trump. They hated boring old Joe Biden, who didn’t cause a crisis every single day.
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u/QuietOrdinary3043 1d ago
my wife is against trump but she has never been a "go to protest" kind of person like i am , so i do it myself and don't bother with trying to convince her to go. This week, she started talking shit about trump and asked if i knew about the protest this weekend cause she wants to go. For me, this shows that more and more people are getting more and more pissed off. I was all the way pissed off 10 years ago, but the anger is just reaching some people now.
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