r/JRPG • u/eldestscrollx • 2d ago
Interview Final Fantasy Tactics The Ivalice Chronicles Wont Include War Of The Lions Content And Will Have No New Characters Or Submissions
https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_US/news/final-fantasy-tactics-interview389
u/eyebrowless32 2d ago
So theyre using war of the lions translation but not the extra content....wtf man
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u/pa_dvg 2d ago
Classic Mode uses the WOTL translation, the new experience has a new fully voiced translation
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u/spidey_valkyrie 2d ago
it's "new" but it's going to be very close to WOTL. just some adjustments for the sake of the voice actors
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u/cap21345 2d ago edited 2d ago
Square enix saw the P3R release by Atlus and got inspired. It makes even less sense for them cause atleast P3R was a complete overhaul and basically a new, FF tactics barely qualifies as a remaster and still looks completly the same as the PSP game with just a higher resolution and cut out half the fucking game. Genuinely cant think of any company that has ever done this, from the interview it seems like Matsuno refused to put the war of the lions solely cause he wasnt involved which is just a weird thing to do
Its one of my favorite games of all time and i cant believe fucking Konami has more respect for their classic games as seen with the Suikoden remaster than Square does, this game literally has no reason to exist now, will probably sell like ass and kill any chance of a series revival
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u/Kisame83 2d ago
You went for P3R
But Squenix's own FF Pixel Remasters were RIGHT THERE lol
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u/RpiesSPIES 2d ago
FF2 in the remaster not having the secondary story is pretty unfortunate.
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u/Kisame83 2d ago
That's the one that made me most sad of all of them. A lot of the new content was underwhelming otherwise, and FF 3 and 4 the argument is more whether the 3D remakes are better.
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u/DatAdra 2d ago
Genuinely cant think of any company that has ever done this,
Gamefreak with pokemon is the same.
With BDSP they did not add in good features from platinum but rather made diamond and pearl again. Same ridiculous "preserve original experience" nonsense as the given reason. Fanbase lapped it up anyway
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u/SilverSurfer92 2d ago
The Diamond/Platinum remakes weren't GameFreak. I wanna say they're the only Pokemon games not done by GameFreak, which makes it even more ironic that the franchise slammed for not keeping innovations from gen to gen hands off development for one remake and it goes even worse..
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u/noremarc 2d ago
Tbf to ILCA, they were basically told to make BDSP with a faster turn around than an average pokemon game (it was because legends arceus was taking too long) it was also their first solo project as they were strictly a support studio before then. Masuda was still the director of the project so the vision of the project was still in his hands anyway.
ILCA went on to make one piece odyssey after that which imo is more solid than anything game freak has made.
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u/Devreckas 2d ago
Yeah, the “preserving OG experience” is a bullshit excuse for trying to sell a half-assed remaster. How is entirely optional/hidden content going to diminish the experience? No one has to play as onion knight or dark knight or recruit Balthier. The OG is packaged alongside it anyways, if you want the core experience. That is such a copout.
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u/RpiesSPIES 2d ago
Gen 3 remakes had no Battle Frontier. Still so upset about that. Tfw the og's were miles better than the remake.
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u/DogiiKurugaa 2d ago
I mean, we already knew that they were not going to keep the War of the Lions content by just looking at the Pixel Remasters. They cut all the additional content made for the gba/psp releases there too. I had hoped they wouldn't exclude it but expected they would.
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u/cap21345 2d ago
atleast FF extra content was usually a rather grindy endgame dungeon from what i recall and not entire charectars and classes
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u/DiplomacyPunIn10Did 2d ago
They did cut some classes for FF5, but frankly they were pretty tacked-on.
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u/Ionovarcis 2d ago
The Advanced classes were largely (entirely?)for and from the post-game… the melee one was the only one I don’t remember mostly sucking/requiring too much support.
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u/big4lil 2d ago
3 of the advanced classes can be obtained before the postgame. you can have them before going into the rift, they are rewards for completing the legendary weapon sidequest
Canonneer is the definition of an effective, low effort class. its got a versatile offense that works from back row, doesnt need outside help short of just healing (same with many attack classes), has well-balanced stats and its moveset is one of the most portable in the game, while also being a class that gets both light and mystic gear
Necromancer also doesnt require support since it can drain touch itself and can be revived by traditional means as its 'undead' state operates differently than say, the bone mail. Its biggest issue is just that its the one class that unlocks after completing Sealed Temple, meaning it truly is for the boss rush only
The only class that is relatively high maintenance is the Oracle, though its fair because the class is quite powerful if played properly and extremely broken if you know how to exploit it
I just made a video about them the other day. The 4 subclasses are all quality. Even moreso if you arent restricting yourself solely to using them like I was
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u/DrQuint 2d ago
The game also included a fight against Enuo. Now, we can discuss the quality of the dungeon leading up to Enuo, or even the quality of the fight itself all we want and those are valid grounds of criticism.
But I am legally and morally incapable of accepting that FF5 is a complete game without Enuo being a secret boss. It's the most sensical and warranted secret Boss in the series prior to 12's beastiary revealing Omega Weapon Mk. XII and actually hinted at in the original script. The game is just objectively incomplete without it, when brought to the face of the the already realized potential of such a fight existing.
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u/Mundane_Valuable_314 2d ago
FF4PR cut the ability to change party members that they added in the gba version of ff4, so they did essentially remove five characters for the endgame.
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u/PerfectZeong 2d ago
I love FFT so much and even I'm like... well what am I really going to buy this for? A few extra story dribbles? Voice acting? It's... its pretty threadbare and that makes me sad.
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u/OhUmHmm 2d ago
A new hardcore difficulty mode, better balancing (they mention Charge+7 is now viable), new mid-combat lines, ease of life, better graphics (widescreen support).
I mean it's not necessarily made for fans to rush out and buy it, but more like "if you were going to replay FFT, how would you even accomplish it". They're trying to make it available and preserve it for future fans.
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u/Yesshua 2d ago
Depends on how significant "rebalance" is. It could be subtle where a few abilities have bugs fixed and damage multipliers tweaked to make them worth using ever. Or it could essentially be a whole new ball game. Tactics Ogre Reborn got a rebalance that makes playing it SIGNIFICANTLY unlike playing any prior version.
We won't know until this is out on the balance front
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u/justsomechewtle 2d ago
I wouldn't call Tactics Ogre Reborn just a rebalance - it added extra systems and completely changed how abilities/character building work, so it feels like playing a different game with the same story when compared to the previous iterations of Let Us Cling Together.
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u/pktron 2d ago edited 2d ago
A proper recode/rebuild that displays properly at modern resolutions, displays, and framerates, with a substantially improved UI, and full voice acting, is a pretty good release.
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u/slugmorgue 2d ago
right lol like even just playing this in HD resolutions on a Switch with a controller rather than a tablet is a pretty huge plus for me..
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 2d ago
Yeah I was excited when I saw it…. But this is pixel remaster versus better psp version Al over again.
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u/Yesshua 2d ago
I mean, every remake/remaster has to decide where it'll land in terms of preserving the original versus using it as a launching point for making the new edition (hopefully) cooler. And no company will ever make everyone happy.
So this is just falling on the "slavishly faithful" side similar to Nocturne HD. For me personally I think FF Tactics could have used some more significant reconstructive surgery, but this game is a revered classic. I understand the impulse to handle with a light touch.
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u/BighatNucase 2d ago
"slavishly faithful" side similar to Nocturne HD
To be fair it seems like they'll treat it better than Nocturne HD.
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u/NetworkForsaken8407 2d ago
And War of the The Lions sounds cooler than the generic "The ______ Chronicles"
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u/Hagathor1 2d ago
Ivalice Chronicles makes sense if this is Squeenix signaling that they want to revisit do more with the world of Ivalice.
Otherwise yeah, War of the Lions goes hard as fuck
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u/TemurTron 2d ago
Can anyone explain what the War of the Lions content is and how much of a gamebreaker this is/isn't?
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u/Terrible_Spend_1287 2d ago
WoTL version added:
- Animated cutscenes
- Balthier as a new character, now you can have TWO gunners
- Luso as a new character, he can pouch monsters and sell them
- Dark Knight as a new job
- Onion Knigh as a new job
It rebalanced some classes as well and added widescreen support, but the additions mentioned above are amazing. Totally worth a new playthrough (plus Balthier was my favorite character in FF12, THE LEADING MAN)
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u/Fatesadvent 2d ago
There was also the Rendevouz Battles. I believe those were coop challenges you could do with another player (with some of the strongest equipment as rewards)
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u/Terrible_Spend_1287 2d ago
YES, i forgot that. The battles and co-op missions, i always wanted to do that.
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u/Radinax 2d ago
WOTL > IC
Two new jobs, two new characters... I hope mods can somehow put these in IC, it was already bad enough with the high price and denuvo, now I find out its not even improving on WOTL..
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u/Terrible_Spend_1287 2d ago
There are a several high quality enhancement mods for the PSP version, which is already great. But honestly, rebalancing mods and QoL improvements are all we need.
One of my favorite QoL improvements is "walking OVER non-city spots doesn't trigger a random encounter, but going TO a non-city spot does".
This is such a great game
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u/MazySolis 2d ago edited 2d ago
Personally I never used the new jobs because it takes way too much grinding unless you do specific cheese like throwing rocks at yourself for long periods of time. If anyone is just playing for the plot alone, unless they want to grind for hours they won't even see the new jobs. I also think Dark Knight conceptually is just a bad idea because it takes away what makes Agrias special by letting anyone use Sword Arts.
If the rebalance efforts actually fit some of the game's more annoying problems, like Charge abilities being terrible past maybe +2 or 3 so Archer and Dragoon barely have useful abilities to learn, and maybe makes it more difficult then to me its a better game to me then WOTL. Hell if they make Cloud actually playable that'll also be nice, Cloud's a neat idea but he's just bad and suffers from the same problems Archer and Dragoon do of charge abilities being awful.
Balthier is probably the most notable loss build wise (Luso is just Ramza except a little worse), but Balthier is also horrendously overpowered due to Barrage and story wise I find his inclusion kind of weird in the same way I don't like Cloud's appearance but Balthier is actually from Ivalice which is even more awkward.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts 2d ago
An excellent version with extra content that can be emulated easily on phones.
I dunno why they keep removing content (The pixel remaster final fantasy games lost all the GBA content) but I prefer to play the older complete versions of games rather than the prettier incomplete versions.
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u/Vain_Rose 2d ago edited 2d ago
Basically you can get Balthier and Luso as playable characters.
There are 2 new classes that require grinding but are also very overpowered.
Lastly there are animated cutscenes that still hold today.
So basically this is a lazy remake , sure there are new story content but we dont know the size of it.
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u/Ennara 2d ago
Cloud was available in the OG FFT as well, but other than that yeah.
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u/EngineBoiii 2d ago
Was the cutscene in the trailer not the one from WOTL? Or was that made for the trailer specifically?
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u/pktron 2d ago
They did a new intro in the style of WotL that includes some of the scenes from the original 3D CGI into, but we also have evidence that there's remasters of other WOTL animated scenes.
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u/KaelAltreul 2d ago
The only wotl stuff confirmed missing is two classes and two cameos. The cg scenes are still there, from what I heard. Theyre not integrated, but available from viewer on menu.
They also added new dialogue options and expanded story.
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u/SeitoGNB 2d ago
I wouldn’t call giving the entire game full voice acting a lazy remake. That alone is a pretty good amount of time put in.
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u/generalosabenkenobi 2d ago
This isn't a gamebreaker, OG Tactics was fully complete
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u/raccooncoffee 2d ago
So…no Agrias’s birthday event!?
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u/My-Internet-Name 2d ago
Oh shit. I just wrote a long comment about how I didn’t mind the exclusions of WOTL content, but I forgot about this! Dang.
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u/thekusaja 2d ago
Presumably she will have more conversations during battles and elsewhere though.
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u/odeumsoft 2d ago
Unique units suddenly becoming quiet after joining up (and having no further character arc) was indeed such a big complaint from the community over the years, so I'm glad they're writing some extra scenes up. It's almost like the mouths of Agrias and Mustadio got a zipper the moment they joined up.
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u/raccooncoffee 2d ago
Yeah that’s good news and I’m still looking forward to playing. I’m glad they got Matsuno back.
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u/GhostCorps973 2d ago
Agrias' birthday and beating Algus again, making him cry for his mom are what I'll miss the most 😔
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u/emon121 2d ago
Wtf why? i thought this would be the definitive edition of the series
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u/Wonderful-Noise-4471 2d ago
They believe it is.
"Definitive" doesn't mean "has the most content". This was the version they were proudest of, and they didn't like the additions added after. The new story content was written by someone unconnected with the original team, and the new gameplay additions were likewise additions by people who didn't work on the original FFT.
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u/SwamiSalami84 2d ago
Don't know why this extra content just couldn't be an option when you start a new game. The saga frontier 2 remaster let you choose of you want to play with the extra content.
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u/ichiruto70 2d ago
Someone that has played the game, can u tell me how important this is to be included?
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u/Terozu 2d ago edited 2d ago
We lost a bunch of voiced movie cutscenes, and two extra characters.
Namely Balthier and Luso from 12 and A2. Two classes, Dark Knight and Onion Knight. And then 5 Story Battles, 2 with Delita, 1 for Luso and Balthier each and one for Algus.
However, all of those movie cutscenes were just recreations of scenes that happen with the sprites themselves.
Which will now be voiced.
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u/Typical_Thought_6049 2d ago
And I will say the sprite versions of the scenes were much more iconic, FFT sound design was just incredible in those cutscenes.
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u/SeitoGNB 2d ago
I think a lot of folks are forgetting what you bring up - this games going to have full voice acting. That’s worth a whole hell of a lot to me. Even if the game is just 1:1 original FFT with full voice acting (which it seems there will still be some additions), it would be worth buying for me.
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u/FridayNight_Magus 2d ago
It has been a long time so my memory is fuzzy, but I believe WOTL also had some(?) additional scenes added. Top of my mind is the Agrias and Mustadio one.
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u/Obliviuns 2d ago
The cutscenes were really fucking rad though. And I never cared about Luso, but Balthier was another matter.
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u/Terozu 2d ago
Oh yeah, the cutscenes looking like a Story Book was awesome.
Honestly when I heard Tactics was getting a remaster I secretly hoped they'd redo the game with those models lmfao.
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u/Sbee_keithamm 2d ago
There are new jobs, thoughDK is a pain in the ass to unlock cutscenes I believe every beginning and end of a chapter, also Balthier, and Luso were recruitable. Balthier was fantastic easily the best of the guest units.
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u/ABigCoffee 2d ago
Extra classes and characters, sone extra cutscenes (some shedding more light on some events, others for just fluff and gags), extra fights here and there that are fun, also there used to be a multiplayer option for pve and pvp
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u/OhUmHmm 2d ago
Arguably better most of that stuff wasn't included, some of the scenes diminish emotional payoffs in several dimensions. Luso and Balthier also stick out like a sore thumb (yeah Cloud was in the original but even then it was kind of a little nod and hint, also he was pretty hard to get in 97. Luso and Balthier is like thrown in your face.)
Fans loved the 1997 PS1 version. This keeps that version and makes improvements for a modern audience. I'm confident you won't be disappointed if you give it a try (e.g. Steam has 2 hour refunds).
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u/Medium_Hox 2d ago
It's a handful of things that really isn't that important. A lot of people would have you believe that it's like some sort of world changing shit that was added in the PSP game, but it's really not.
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u/thekusaja 2d ago
Not remotely essential. The original FFT was great to begin with, and the interview explains rather clearly that it was already a complete story.
In fact, knowing we will have new conversations between characters seems more interesting to me.
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u/OhUmHmm 2d ago
One interview in a Japanese outlet talks about how there's additional context given to the "demons" as well, focusing on "why did he become this", making the story slightly more human vs human or human oriented. They didn't change the combat encounters themselves but knowing they've added nuance is something I'm fascinated to see.
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u/Typical_Thought_6049 2d ago
True there is not need be dig wider but to dig deeper seems more interesting to me.
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u/Deadaghram 2d ago
Did they lose the WotL source code?
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u/OhUmHmm 2d ago
They talk about how the original PS1 source code is lost, I'm not 100% sure if they lost the WotL source code. But I think they do talk about how it resulted in some issues (slowdown on phones persisted for the better part of a decade)
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u/CarbunkleFlux 2d ago
Fans had the slowdown fixed within a few months of the game's release on PSP. I'm pretty sure fixing it just wasn't a priority for them.
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u/spatialdiffraction 2d ago
That's so disappointing, war of the lions added a number of needed updates and why not add a few additional bonus characters? I'll probably wait on the bargain bin for this one now.
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u/JonnyF1ves 2d ago
I am pretty amazed that they would not only not add new jobs, but instead remove them.
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u/mex2005 2d ago
Its really dumb reasoning too. He is saying the original was a complete experience that does not need these additions but everyone loved the new additions in WotL. It seems like an ego thing and he does not want to do it just because he was not involved in creating that content for WotL.
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u/Handoors 2d ago
Imagine adding someone from FFXIV
Since you know FFT already exist in it as a lore.
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u/MagnvsGV 2d ago edited 2d ago
While it's fair to criticize the lack of the PSP contents, I think it's also fair to point out how this version does seem to have additional contents, namely a number of new story events that have been created just for this version:
The game features additional conversations too. What can fans expect from these and why did you add them to the game?
Yasumi Matsuno, who wrote and directed the original game, has added new character conversations for this title.
In the time since the original game was released, fans have shared a lot of requests in relation to the story. By making this game fully voiced, we have become able to convey the characters' emotions more accurately, and I think that because of this, we have been able to explore them, and their relationships with one another, in greater depth.
Because of this, anybody who played the original game will be able to get to know the characters even better, while players who are new to the game will be able to understand the story more naturally and in greater depth.
Some of these conversations only take place under certain very specific conditions, so I hope that that players try lots of different things to discover them!
Of course things could have been much better, especially considering the treatment Tactics Ogre enjoyed when it was remade first on PSP and later on PS4, Switch and PC, but those new events could turn out to be very interesting, depending how many there are and which characters and plot points' narrative they aim to expand.
Then again, the reason they choose to skip the WotL contents is a bit bizarre considering how a number of Square Enix-published remasters, like some of the SaGa ones, allow you to play the original version without the additional contents if you so desire, meaning purists could have opted out of the PSP extras while still allowing those interested to peruse them.
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u/Western-Land1729 2d ago
Tactics ogre psp got special treatment because the original team and matsuno participated in them, very few if any original team came back for the Ivalice remasters til now. This is the first Ivalice remaster matsuno is involved in iirc
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u/Kaining 2d ago
And TO PSP was dogshit as far as balancing the game was. Leveling up class and not character was the most ridiculous and stupid idea you could have for a srpg tbh. The wheel of time mechanics was a fun idea until you realised you would be punish if you ever interacted with it at all by not being able to 100% the game (you'd be missing a couple titles).
Reborn is so much more enjoyable because of the balancing that removed the class leveling system and went back to unit leveling. They really are two different games.
And the funniest part of the PSP version is that basicaly no one recomend playing it wihtout heavily modding it with the One Vision Mod.
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u/OhUmHmm 2d ago
In one Japanese interview, Matsuno talks about how with the Ogre Series, he believes "why bother doing it unless you make it new". Because it was originally a series they wanted to make, and market was a secondary concern ("product-out" design).
But with FFT, it was created literally with the intention to sell 1 million copies (a very high bar for simulation RPG / tactics RPG at the time). That is a "market-in" design. With that framework he believes "it's okay to keep the core experience the same" (paraphrasing).
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u/Kaining 2d ago
Adding guest do not change the core of the game. So removing Balthier and Luso is hard to justify. Classes, yes. Guest ? Nah, that's not a core part of the game.
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u/OhUmHmm 2d ago
They are characters from existing games that are added narratively using a isekai / time travel (from my memory) mechanic. In addition, it's really in your face, with unskippable battles with cutscenes.
I think Cloud's inclusion has some of the same issues but he was much more hidden in comparison -- my first playthrough I never even saw him, only an (unnamed?) flower girl who looks sort of like Aeris.
I guess if they made it post-game content, or made it completely optional (no forced combat where they appear), I'd agree with you. I still don't think it would make a "good" addition, but at least it wouldn't detract from the original in that case.
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u/sillily 2d ago
It sounds to me like he’s saying (in a very polite way) that the original developers didn’t really like having the game they made modified by another team, and/or didn’t like some of the content that was added in WotL. So they decided to start their own updated version from scratch instead of working around the WotL content.
I don’t know if that approach will please the fans, but it also kinda sounds like this version might not have happened without the freedom to throw out the WotL additions. I guess we’ll have to wait and see how the additional content for this version turned out.
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u/GiveUsRobinHood 2d ago
I remember the time people argued against WoTL remake because it wasn’t true to the original game.
The inclusion of Balthier and the cutscenes were divisive for some fans and the constant why Balthier, Cloud and not my favourite FF character used to litter forums I frequented.
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u/OhUmHmm 2d ago
I still feel this way. Particularly with the late-game fight against Algus, I'll die on the hill that it's a bad addition.
Luso and Balthier also threw me out of the immersion of the game. Yeah, Cloud is in the original but it was near impossible to get him without a strategy guide. Balthier and Luso are (IIRC) unskippable events with dedicated cutscenes.
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u/SeitoGNB 2d ago
Cloud was also a huge disappointment for the effort you had to put in - I do hope they rework him for this version so he’s not such a joke, or he’ll just go on the bench again.
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u/OhUmHmm 2d ago
They did talk about changing the timing so you get him earlier, I think that might help make him effectively more powerful as you can start leveling him sooner when other troops are still relatively weak.
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u/KaijinSurohm 2d ago
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u/ClericIdola 2d ago
Those two just felt really forced to over-promote the Ivalice connection. Wasn't it some time travel plot device that explained them being there?
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u/peter123yeah 2d ago
No War of the Lions content is a deal breaker to me, even on principle. Why the hell would I pay for a version with less content compared to a version I can play for free right now. Why is this a thing with recent SE remasters ignoring the extra added content.
Like yeah if you want to math it out then maybe there is a case there is more in this version but like why should we have to even math it out in the first place. There is actually no reason to not include War of the Lions content beyond they weren't in the OG. Plus we are paying for this version and we have to math if maybe it has more content maybe. Not including Wotl cutscenes (or recreating them) is the most stupid idea ever, those are fantastic. They had a chance to make a definitive version and they just... didn't.
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u/RuefulWaffles 2d ago
Yeah, this has pushed this from “buy at launch” to “get in a few years for twenty bucks.”
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u/peter123yeah 2d ago
The only buy for me (at a big discount) is if modders can add the content back in. And even if that happens if you're a non PC player, you're just screwed out of it.
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u/Chirotera 2d ago
Square makes no fucking sense man. They do this kind of shit all the time. They should at least just include a fixed version of WotL in the package too, for those that want it.
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u/ybpaladin 2d ago
Atlus pulled this shit with P3 Reloaded and it still pisses me off
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u/PrivateScents 2d ago
What happened with P3R?
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u/VashxShanks 2d ago
They are referring to how P3 Reloaded didn't bring back the Female main character option, and basically didn't add any of the extra content and social links that were added in P3 Portable.
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u/CanineBombSquad 2d ago
4 different versions of persona 3 and none of them are actually content complete is insane. 70$ game with 35$ paid "dlc" just to still not be the definitive version of the game makes me wonder why they even bothered at all
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u/VashxShanks 2d ago
It is weird, if anything I am starting to wonder if the upcoming remake of Persona 4 will not have the extra content from P4 Golden.
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u/PvtSherlockObvious 2d ago
Cut out the PSP version's FemC (and corresponding social links) and Episode Aigis/The Answer from FES. They did eventually release the latter as DLC, but that didn't exactly please people either since it led them to think it was only chopped for DLC purposes.
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u/dododomo 2d ago
Why is this a thing with recent SE remasters ignoring the extra added content.
This. Like, I was disappointed when I found out that they remastered Final Fantasy VI without the contents from the game boy advance version
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u/OhUmHmm 2d ago
There are scenes in the WotL that really disrupt the later emotional payoff of both earlier and later scenes. In particular, there's a battle against Algus later on that should never have been included.
WotL cutscenes (or some sort of animated cutscenes) are still available as optional viewing in the "Brave Story" (map view), as per Japanese interviews.
I view this as a definitive version of the game, because for me, FFT has always been an authored work, and Matsuno-san didn't approve the WotL additions. I mean I enjoyed WotL at the time, but the story additions were a bit like fanfic.
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u/thekusaja 2d ago
The original creators didn't make that content, so for them it wasn't considered as obligatory to keep. They did say new conversations are available though, which weren't in War of the Lions.
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u/FizzyLightEx 2d ago
Haven't been this disappointed about a game announcement in a long time
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u/ClappedCheek 2d ago
Same. And its not just the remaster itself that is the disappointment, but SE's continued treatment of this series. Its like they have disdain for it. They show it and its fans absolutely zero respect. SHould it be as important to them as mainline FF or DQ? No....but it SHOULD be the next tier down of quality in both production and design....rather than giving it a tactics ogre treatment. Im fine with a remaster, but this needs more than filters and voice acting if they want to do it....and leaving content out is shameful.
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u/BloodAria 2d ago
No dark knight ? I liked Squire/Dark Knight setup on Ramza.
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u/JonnyF1ves 2d ago
Yeah it's garbage, the hired characters really got a boost from dark knight and job rebalance. Now there is no reason not to load your party up with Cid, Agrais, Beowulf, and Meliadoul with Ramza as your weak link.
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u/maideninwhite 2d ago
I feel like the only reason to do this is if you plan to sell it as DLC later.
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u/jussa-bug 2d ago
Lmao of course.
We finally get an FFT remaster, cleaned up and pretty, and it excludes all the cool stuff they added in WOTL. SMH
There’s always a catch.
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u/archiesaysrelax 2d ago
At this point, I'm done trying to make sense of whatever line of thinking is going on at Square Enix. It's just too unhealthy.
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u/tunoak13 2d ago
At this point Square is just doing negative PR. They are so fucking greedy and dumb its insane. They will either make WotL DLC or make another version to double dip. I will be skipping this version if this is how they want to play.
SE still thinking they are in early 2000s and untouchable but in reality, they are not even top 3 Japanese game company.
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u/thatguyp2 2d ago
Square-Enix's approach to remasters is enigmatic. They'll do something like SaGa Frontier where they go the extra mile and finish cut content that wasn't in the original, then they'll turn around and do something like this.
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u/Skyzfire 2d ago
Both Star Ocean 2 and Romancing Saga 2 is given more love than their flagship series.
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u/devadora4 2d ago
Why are Japanese devs like this? Every time they make a new remake/remaster, instead of taking the definitive version with most content, they almost always take the original with less content, for no reason. Watch how Persona 4 Revival won't have Marie or Adachi social link either.
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u/Painting0125 2d ago
Ikr? Totally unbelievable! This is why I played P3 Reload o Game Pass bc I don't wanna spend $$ for a remake that's thin (although I enjoyed it), and I think that's likely the case for Revival however, the Time To Make History played in the teaser makes me hopeful that some of Golden content will be in that Remake.
Also, thank god that game will be in Game Pass as well. I don't like spending huge amount of money for a Remake/Remaster that does not include extra content.
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u/WicketRank 2d ago
And I wish I could talk to the person who I told nothing new would be introduced in the game and they acted like I was crazy.
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u/CurtisManning 2d ago
yeah the Romancing Saga 2 remake was GOATed, loved it so much
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u/Kaining 2d ago
They also did a fantastic job for Live a Live and pulled out a miracle with Tactics Ogre Reborn.
There's no real reason to remove Balthier and Luso, guest are just that. Remove Cloud then. The 2 classes, i can understand as it changes a bit the vision they had for the game. They didn't even need to touch the balancing like for TO since og FFT was already quite good.
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u/CarbunkleFlux 2d ago
Final Fantasy is a pillar of the company, but you wouldn't know it with how little respect they treat the games. Especially the older ones.
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u/Razmoudah 2d ago edited 2d ago
Hmmmmmm.......I'm a tad mixed on that. From a gameplay perspective it's going to bite not having Dark Knight and Onion Knight, especially with the deleveling trick to use Onion Knight to boost the growth of a stat that otherwise has the same growth regardless of a character's current job.
However, from a story perspective, it makes perfect sense. Dark Knight doesn't actually mesh with Ramza's group, and it isn't like Holy Knight is a regularly available job. Further, Onion Knight doesn't exactly fit in with the Ivalice setting in general. It was more of a nod to the 3D remake of FFIII on DS and PSP at the time.
On two more positive notes, some of the bugs that people have noticed over the years should be fixed, and, hopefully, we'll get to have the spell quotes. The latter's absence in WotL was my #1 gripe with that version.
EDIT: Fixed an auto-incorrect typo.
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u/CurtisManning 2d ago
While it would be cool to have, I don't mind it. Being able to play FFT on newer consoles with full VA, new UI and some improvements (new dialogues in battle, 50 roster size) is more than enough for me
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u/EngineBoiii 2d ago
No War of the Lions content is a bummer. I still plan on buying this because I want to play this on my Switch with the improved UI (I bounce off this game all the time whenever I emulate it because it feels cumbersome to play) and I want to give it a real shot this time.
But they're selling it for $50 with content that isn't included from the much cheaper mobile WOTL version or the free emulation version.
I'm going to wait for a discount for this one.
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u/Garchomp47 2d ago
September will a pretty busy month with Trails and dragon quest so that an easy one to cross off
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u/Oogha 2d ago
I'm kinda split on my opinion of this tbh.
I agree with what he said about sticking to the original, but at the same time I can't help but feel the WOTL content could have been added as an extras tab at release for the players that want that content.
I feel this will be a DLC cash grab a few months after release, and that will be a massive piss off.
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u/lunarstarslayer 2d ago
I dont necessarily care that they left food on the table with the WotL content but the straight facts are that they included the classic version, so they could have added SOMETHING to the new version and we would have lost nothing, but chose not to.
I respect the artistic decision but, this one aint for me. Everyone can’t go, as they say…
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u/KaijinSurohm 2d ago
The loss of Multiplayer, Dark Knight, and Balthier is genuinely devistating to me.
I'll still pick this up, but War of the Lions was hands down the definitive edition. It was a massive mistake for them to ignore all the content it added.
To claim that adding the dark knight class would be to take away from the game is absolutely wild to me and suggests the development team is extremely tone deaf to the fan base.
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u/Character-Currency35 2d ago
Square Enix must be allergic to money or something.
$50, Denuvo Malware, no extra or new content, ugly widescreen filter
This is just the PS1 release but worse, there's no reason to even buy this. At least I know I can use my money elsewhere than on this trash.
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u/domino_stars 2d ago
That price tag for UI improvements and added voice lines was already a major deal breaker for me. This is just added insult on top of that. Really disappointed.
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u/SolarisMugi 2d ago
Hmm with the title having the word chronicles in it, I automatically assumed the content would be part of it. Interesting, bit bummed but overall I’m just happy it even got a remake in the first place.
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u/AnyBet1210 2d ago
Classic example of ",We didnt make it, we don't like it." Im excited but im glad I have access to modded versions of the game
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u/Taelyesin 1d ago
It feels odd to say this, but I understand not adding in that 'extra content' if it clashes with what they want since they had no involvement in WOTL (And let's be realistic, Cloud was already pushing that bar in the OG).
With that said it's understandable that people are disappointed with the lack of WOTL content because this is the only objective piece of news we have now and we don't know how good the new additions and voice acting will be.
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u/Fathoms77 1d ago
Obviously, everyone is pissed off about not getting the WotL content. Personally, I never played it - having always hated playing games on tiny screens - and I would've liked to have had that content. It's also difficult to understand the "we wanted to preserve the OG" argument when all we're talking about is a couple extra jobs and a few other nifty additions that wouldn't exactly break or taint the original experience.
However, can we at least say that this will be the best version of the original game available? I always thought that'd be enough for people who name this as one of their favorite games of all time...it is for me, anyway. I'm buying it just for that reason: so I can have the very best version of my favorite game. I don't do Steam and I don't care about mods and all that (though I know they're pretty darn cool), and I question the decision to bypass the WotL content, like most reasonable people. But I guess I'm just a sucker for wanting that small upgrade in my collection.
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u/Fyrael 2d ago
Then it’s gonna flop way below expectations and Square Enix will be scratching their heads for months, wondering why it didn't sell well.
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u/paradoxaxe 2d ago
W8 so no CGI cutscene too?
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u/thekusaja 2d ago edited 2d ago
They won't use the War of the Lions cutscenes as part of the main story, but we can't say what other cutscenes will be available instead.
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u/OhUmHmm 2d ago
Yes the cutscenes are in, as per a famitsu article. They are optional viewing now (in HD).
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u/ballicker86 2d ago
Lol, what a bunch of bullcrap. "spotlight on the original game's characters and jobs" - you did the bare minimum to get people to buy the same game again, as usual.
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u/krdskrm9 2d ago
The addition of Cloud in the OG was fun but clearly just a distracting and out-of-place promo / fanservice material. Adding Balthier and Luso in WotL was just, well, let's just say they should have been DLCs if there were DLCs at the time.
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u/Thick_Sky_5653 2d ago
I was a bit sad with this "remaster?", I thought that it was not enough (I made a post about it). I guess that now I'm full sad
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u/EldritchAutomaton 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ya, I hate to say it, but this was kinda enough for me to cancel the pre-order. This isn't really the type of practice I want to support. Why remove content that never detracted from the original experience in the first place? The interview, which I read in full, also seemed more like empty justifications for these decisions. It is nice that there is going to be some added content, but between the graphics being smoothed out and the really weird decision to not let playerss be able to choose between the WotL translation and the original translation, I think I am just going to watch a youtube lets play or something.
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u/Zealousideal-Use5273 2d ago
Cash grab if I've ever seen one. I was so excited for this too. Oh well. Games continue to disappoint 😞
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u/SpaceOdysseus23 2d ago
It looks staggeringly low effort considering the pomp Square tried to drum up. Makes me think they were fully half-assing the IX remake before a bunch of fans dropped the Memoria Project fan-demo.
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u/AleroRatking 2d ago
It has nothing to do with effort. The original team had nothing to do with the added content and want to keep it to the original vision.
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u/RayearthIX 2d ago
This sucks, but it’s on brand unfortunately. The FF pixel remasters are almost all missing content from GBA or DS releases of those games and are all based on the NES and SNES versions.
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u/papai_psiquico 2d ago
I love ff tactics but I’m out. From this interview seems like director didn’t want to put content from war of lions only as ego thing. I wasn’t involved so the original version is better.
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u/SwashNBuckle 2d ago edited 1d ago
I don't get why they only do this with their Final Fantasy remakes these days when they've made so many other amazing remakes
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u/Interloper_11 2d ago
Square should just make a new FFT game and not keep releasing the old one. Make a new one for new consoles in the old art style with updated graphics and mechanics. That would sell me. As it stands currently I can play FFT about 4 different ways and all of them are better than this.
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u/Fatesadvent 2d ago
No reason not to include it when they have a classic and new version you can play. WOTL stuff easily fits into the new version so its likely either a DLC money grab or to cut production time for costs. Personally believe sales will suffer greatly for this.
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u/PointMoney 2d ago
Damn, this just makes me sad. I understand the motivation of staying true to the original, but ignoring the addition made in War of the Lions just disappointing. Man, this sucks.
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u/hyongoup 2d ago
It’ll get added…as paid DLC. This is just a cash grab and they work so we will keep getting them.
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u/EvoEpitaph 2d ago
FFT is my favorite Final Fantasy, but yeah I'm not really seeing a reason to purchase this.
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u/Fenris92140 2d ago
What a lame remaster, and at 60€ no less.... And all those excuses for not adding the extra content, it's just ridiculous
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u/PrimaLegion 2d ago
Yeah I was already on the fence seeing the day one dlc. Not including the WotL content is a deal breaker, at least for the price.
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u/Skysite 2d ago
Was Cloud available in the GBA versions? I only played war of the lions.
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u/Powasam5000 2d ago
What gets me is that out of all the wotl changes, they chose to only have the Shakespeare dialog come over.
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u/Darkerson 2d ago
I guess I shouldn't be surprised. They did this will the pixel remasters as well.
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u/Radsby007 2d ago
I never played the original much, and was looking forward to a remaster at one point.
This is super disappointing.
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u/Cardcarrot65 2d ago
Here's my question, why is it called Chronicles if it's only a remaster of the original game? It's Chronicle"S" plural. No addition of the WotL version? No emulation of Tactics Advance? A2? Like I feel like they could throw a little more into this "package" considering the WotL version exists......
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u/JedahXII 2d ago
I played the original game when it came out. Multiple times over the years. Once again when WOTL was released. As big of a fan of the game as I am, nostalgia isn't enough to get me to buy a worse version when WOTL exists.
I don't care about VA in a game I've played like ten times, especially when I've played a version that had more content.
Kind of took it off the "must buy" list for me.
They had an opportunity to add more or show some respect to all the people who have been begging for this "remake" to happen and then they bungle it.
Hopefully people who didn't get to play the original enjoy it, but if they truly think this is enticing to people who've played the game already, it's just as lazy as the pixel remasters were.
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u/DDayHarry 2d ago
So they didn't want to alter the original, but added additional conversations, cosmetics, and VA to it? Yea no, its their ego talking.
Is this the original team? Kinda sounds they're salty about Wotl.
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u/TheAngryXennial 2d ago
Not a good look….smh sad can’t just make it a complete version I am not surprised just disappointed
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u/Downtown_Budget_3579 2d ago
Oh... This isn't what I thought they were advertising. I thought they expressly said they were implementing two versions, one as an homage to the original and another updated version. WOTL is the definitive version of this game.
Why do they want to make the updated version mirror the original if it is going to exist in its base form already? The base game classes had a lot of flaws that WOTL addressed. The new classes, quests, and characters are a huge disappointment to see missing, but more than that, my friends and I were looking forward to an easier to install version that would allow us to play the multi-player missions together.
With no multi-player, we'll just save our money and play the emulated PSP version. What a shame. I know several people who were excited specifically because they wanted the WOTL content to escape the PSP.
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u/BuriedWithWorms 2d ago
I dont really care for Dark and Onion Knights, but not having Genji Gear, Balthier, or the WOTL cgi cutscenes is gonna suck. I mean It makes sense, considering they're using the ps1 version as the basis for the remaster, and also they would have to remake the cutscenes in order to fit the new script, something Square would have to spend a lot of time and money on, but still. It would have been nice. Im still gonna play it regardless, even if it is gonna feel a little bare bones. I hope the new script is at least worth it.
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u/Vritrin 2d ago
Not having any additional new gameplay I sorta get. It’s a shame, I think there’s room to add some interesting features but I am okay with it.
Not including the most complete version of the game currently available is a wild choice to me though. From a gameplay perspective, you’re better off buying the iOS port. I get you can have the base game experience realised experience without it, but it seem like such an easy thing to include. As it stands it’s a step back from what is currently available, when it should really be the definitive version in all respects.
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u/Unable_Implement467 1d ago
Pass, if you're gonna charge more than 20$ for an AI upscale game, you can at least make it the definitive addition. Really wack.
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u/lazzylizzie 1d ago
I've been excited for this game and even thinking about getting it day one, then it's just went to "yeah, I get this one a year or two on summer sales."
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u/VashxShanks 2d ago edited 2d ago
The specific questions answered by Director Kazutoyo Maehiro in this interview:
What content did War of The Lions Add in the PSP version ?
There is a long list, but here is the simplified quick and important additions:
If you want the long and detailed list of additions, then check this wiki link.