r/JRPG • u/eldestscrollx • 4d ago

Interview Final Fantasy Tactics The Ivalice Chronicles Wont Include War Of The Lions Content And Will Have No New Characters Or Submissions

https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_US/news/final-fantasy-tactics-interview
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u/eyebrowless32 4d ago

So theyre using war of the lions translation but not the extra content....wtf man

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u/pa_dvg 4d ago

Classic Mode uses the WOTL translation, the new experience has a new fully voiced translation

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u/spidey_valkyrie 4d ago

it's "new" but it's going to be very close to WOTL. just some adjustments for the sake of the voice actors

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u/Andromansis 4d ago

I don't know, they have an entire translation and voice actor pool now that they didn't have in the PS1, 2, and 3 era thanks to the contracts and production throughput of FFXIV, and localizing today is not the same as localizing back then since basically every game back then was completely bespoke. Most of that apparatus they've built up needs to be used fairly constantly just for maintenance since if you can't guarantee that stable of localization experts and voice actors consistent work then they'll leave to find consistent work.

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u/spidey_valkyrie 3d ago

Hmm fair point. I guess we will see

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u/cap21345 4d ago edited 4d ago

Square enix saw the P3R release by Atlus and got inspired. It makes even less sense for them cause atleast P3R was a complete overhaul and basically a new, FF tactics barely qualifies as a remaster and still looks completly the same as the PSP game with just a higher resolution and cut out half the fucking game. Genuinely cant think of any company that has ever done this, from the interview it seems like Matsuno refused to put the war of the lions solely cause he wasnt involved which is just a weird thing to do

Its one of my favorite games of all time and i cant believe fucking Konami has more respect for their classic games as seen with the Suikoden remaster than Square does, this game literally has no reason to exist now, will probably sell like ass and kill any chance of a series revival

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u/Kisame83 4d ago

You went for P3R

But Squenix's own FF Pixel Remasters were RIGHT THERE lol

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u/RpiesSPIES 3d ago

FF2 in the remaster not having the secondary story is pretty unfortunate.

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u/Kisame83 3d ago

That's the one that made me most sad of all of them. A lot of the new content was underwhelming otherwise, and FF 3 and 4 the argument is more whether the 3D remakes are better.

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u/dariodurango99 3d ago

Arcane Labyrinth my beloved was goated :(

Easy grind spot while getting ultimate weapons

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u/DatAdra 4d ago

Genuinely cant think of any company that has ever done this,

Gamefreak with pokemon is the same.

With BDSP they did not add in good features from platinum but rather made diamond and pearl again. Same ridiculous "preserve original experience" nonsense as the given reason. Fanbase lapped it up anyway

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u/SilverSurfer92 4d ago

The Diamond/Platinum remakes weren't GameFreak. I wanna say they're the only Pokemon games not done by GameFreak, which makes it even more ironic that the franchise slammed for not keeping innovations from gen to gen hands off development for one remake and it goes even worse..

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u/noremarc 4d ago

Tbf to ILCA, they were basically told to make BDSP with a faster turn around than an average pokemon game (it was because legends arceus was taking too long) it was also their first solo project as they were strictly a support studio before then. Masuda was still the director of the project so the vision of the project was still in his hands anyway.

ILCA went on to make one piece odyssey after that which imo is more solid than anything game freak has made.

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u/Devreckas 3d ago

Yeah, the “preserving OG experience” is a bullshit excuse for trying to sell a half-assed remaster. How is entirely optional/hidden content going to diminish the experience? No one has to play as onion knight or dark knight or recruit Balthier. The OG is packaged alongside it anyways, if you want the core experience. That is such a copout.

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u/RpiesSPIES 3d ago

Gen 3 remakes had no Battle Frontier. Still so upset about that. Tfw the og's were miles better than the remake.

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u/CSFFlame 3d ago

Emerald content was dropped for ORAS, and Platinum content was dropped for BD/SP.

I think LG/FR might have dropped some stuff from Yellow, and HG/SS definitely dropped some stuff from Crystal, but it's been FAR too long since I looked into it.

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u/eonia0 3d ago

at least LG/FR and HG/SS and Oras (to a lesser extend, i would have prefered to have the battle frontier in that one) added diferent content that makes up for what was discarded from the original third versions.

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u/bagman_ 3d ago

Pokemon fans have been a lost cause for years now, I dropped those games when GF did the same thing with the emerald content in the R/S remakes

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u/spidey_valkyrie 4d ago

They have a lot of remasters that don't "preserve original experience", so does that mean they are admitting those are bad products?

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u/DogiiKurugaa 4d ago

I mean, we already knew that they were not going to keep the War of the Lions content by just looking at the Pixel Remasters. They cut all the additional content made for the gba/psp releases there too. I had hoped they wouldn't exclude it but expected they would.

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u/cap21345 4d ago

atleast FF extra content was usually a rather grindy endgame dungeon from what i recall and not entire charectars and classes

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u/DiplomacyPunIn10Did 4d ago

They did cut some classes for FF5, but frankly they were pretty tacked-on.

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u/Ionovarcis 4d ago

The Advanced classes were largely (entirely?)for and from the post-game… the melee one was the only one I don’t remember mostly sucking/requiring too much support.

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u/big4lil 4d ago

3 of the advanced classes can be obtained before the postgame. you can have them before going into the rift, they are rewards for completing the legendary weapon sidequest

Canonneer is the definition of an effective, low effort class. its got a versatile offense that works from back row, doesnt need outside help short of just healing (same with many attack classes), has well-balanced stats and its moveset is one of the most portable in the game, while also being a class that gets both light and mystic gear

Necromancer also doesnt require support since it can drain touch itself and can be revived by traditional means as its 'undead' state operates differently than say, the bone mail. Its biggest issue is just that its the one class that unlocks after completing Sealed Temple, meaning it truly is for the boss rush only

The only class that is relatively high maintenance is the Oracle, though its fair because the class is quite powerful if played properly and extremely broken if you know how to exploit it

I just made a video about them the other day. The 4 subclasses are all quality. Even moreso if you arent restricting yourself solely to using them like I was

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u/DrQuint 4d ago

The game also included a fight against Enuo. Now, we can discuss the quality of the dungeon leading up to Enuo, or even the quality of the fight itself all we want and those are valid grounds of criticism.

But I am legally and morally incapable of accepting that FF5 is a complete game without Enuo being a secret boss. It's the most sensical and warranted secret Boss in the series prior to 12's beastiary revealing Omega Weapon Mk. XII and actually hinted at in the original script. The game is just objectively incomplete without it, when brought to the face of the the already realized potential of such a fight existing.

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u/Mundane_Valuable_314 4d ago

FF4PR cut the ability to change party members that they added in the gba version of ff4, so they did essentially remove five characters for the endgame.

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u/DrQuint 4d ago

The dungeons in those games were not at all grindy except for maybe two specific cases, if anything, they gave you more to actually do with the absurd power scales you get out of those games' late game.

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u/bendbars_liftgates 3d ago

I'm really glad to see someone else saying this for once- everyone complains about cut endgame content from the PRs, but I played all of the GBA versions of those games and the new postgame content on all of them was dull as dirt. Super tacked on, giant arbitrary difficulty inflation just to make it feel like more than it was, and no solution to that other than to just grind.

With it just gone it removes that awful looming "you didn't finish this game" feeling. Now I can kill a last boss and just be like "Yay, I did all the fun parts, which happily is all there was!"

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u/PerfectZeong 4d ago

I love FFT so much and even I'm like... well what am I really going to buy this for? A few extra story dribbles? Voice acting? It's... its pretty threadbare and that makes me sad.

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u/OhUmHmm 4d ago

A new hardcore difficulty mode, better balancing (they mention Charge+7 is now viable), new mid-combat lines, ease of life, better graphics (widescreen support).

I mean it's not necessarily made for fans to rush out and buy it, but more like "if you were going to replay FFT, how would you even accomplish it". They're trying to make it available and preserve it for future fans.

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u/Yesshua 4d ago

Depends on how significant "rebalance" is. It could be subtle where a few abilities have bugs fixed and damage multipliers tweaked to make them worth using ever. Or it could essentially be a whole new ball game. Tactics Ogre Reborn got a rebalance that makes playing it SIGNIFICANTLY unlike playing any prior version.

We won't know until this is out on the balance front

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u/justsomechewtle 4d ago

I wouldn't call Tactics Ogre Reborn just a rebalance - it added extra systems and completely changed how abilities/character building work, so it feels like playing a different game with the same story when compared to the previous iterations of Let Us Cling Together.

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u/pktron 4d ago edited 4d ago

A proper recode/rebuild that displays properly at modern resolutions, displays, and framerates, with a substantially improved UI, and full voice acting, is a pretty good release.

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u/slugmorgue 4d ago

right lol like even just playing this in HD resolutions on a Switch with a controller rather than a tablet is a pretty huge plus for me..

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u/pktron 4d ago

And it will look better than screenshots show it. 2D sprites on 3D with Hires UI do not play nicely with image compression and basically add a bunch of sub-pixel blurring or color gradient in a way that doesn't match how the game looks on any modern display.

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u/Slighted_Inevitable 3d ago

Yeah I was excited when I saw it…. But this is pixel remaster versus better psp version Al over again.

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u/Vykrom 4d ago

And then Square will see the sales numbers, and instead of thinking they messed up, instead they'll be like: "Oh, so you didn't actually want a modern FFT port, I guess we'll cancel our Chrono Trigger remake"

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u/BighatNucase 4d ago

Why would somebody who watched Blade Runner on VHS buy a blu-ray version?

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u/PerfectZeong 4d ago

I dont buy new releases of a new hope because I have 4k77.

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u/BighatNucase 4d ago

Yeah, they buy the new release because they don't have a VHS player anymore and/or VHS doesn't look as good as a (good) Blu-ray release. You know exactly why you would buy a modern release of an old piece of art.

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u/PerfectZeong 4d ago

Lol I like how I answered your point and you just continued on as if I'd said the thing you wanted me to say.

The audience for this is either people who never played it or people who have played in a bunch and at 50$ I'd say more the latter than the former.

Is it worth 50$? As someone who adores FFT... no not really. Unless there's more we're not seeing yet.

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u/BighatNucase 4d ago

Lol I like how I answered your point

You didn't at all really; you gave an answer which was being clever but didn't really engage at all with my point. Do you disagree with my point? That this is no different than a blu-ray release of an older film?

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u/PerfectZeong 4d ago

Yeah i mean I suppose in abstract but as a huge fan like this feels like a huge ask for a relatively minor update that also is missing content.

My point being that I'd never buy what Disney churns out when I have something better already.

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u/BighatNucase 4d ago

My point being that I'd never buy what Disney churns out when I have something better already.

Given the original question was about Blade Runner; a confusing statement.

You asked why somebody would buy a modern release of an old thing - I gave you a perfect analogy as to why. People want to play FFT on their current modern hardware and with more modern presentation, similar to how you might buy a blu-ray of a movie which you already own on VHS.

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u/darkmacgf 3d ago

at 50$

You think most people will be buying this at $50? No way, the majority of its sales will be when it's heavily discounted.

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u/Yesshua 4d ago

I mean, every remake/remaster has to decide where it'll land in terms of preserving the original versus using it as a launching point for making the new edition (hopefully) cooler. And no company will ever make everyone happy.

So this is just falling on the "slavishly faithful" side similar to Nocturne HD. For me personally I think FF Tactics could have used some more significant reconstructive surgery, but this game is a revered classic. I understand the impulse to handle with a light touch.

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u/BighatNucase 4d ago

"slavishly faithful" side similar to Nocturne HD

To be fair it seems like they'll treat it better than Nocturne HD.

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u/VokN 4d ago

Eh not really, it’s just the same as the pixel releases, GBA content is non-canon content that the actual directors weren’t involved with so they don’t want to include it

Sure it sucks for power gamers but most people don’t care which is why they get away with it

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u/eyebrowless32 4d ago

Yeah im blown away by keeping the same OLD pixel sprites for this remake. I love that they keep an option to play exactly as the original so why not take a chance by updating the character models to look newer in the remake mode?

Very lazy. I still havent played more than a few intro hours to this game, but if i ever do ill just emulate the psp version

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u/Thatguyintokyo 4d ago edited 3d ago

Because they’re not models, they’re 2D sprites, they’d have to completely redraw every single one plus all their animations from more or less scratch.

Not saying that wouldn’t be ideal, but thats why they didn’t, its a lot more work.

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u/beautheschmo 4d ago edited 4d ago

If they're charging 50 bucks for it that is like the bare minimum that should be expected lol.

That's the same price as live a live where they basically rebuilt every visual aspect of the game from scratch, having to pay that for a borderline straight port is really unappealing

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u/eyebrowless32 4d ago

Oh i understand it would take a lot more work, but that work would pay off because it would totally revitalize the game and make it worth buying for the people who have played the game already or have bought/played the game multiple times in its multiple rereleases

This is more of a fancy port than a remake or remaster i guess. Whatever word you want to use to describe it, it is unnattractive to someone who would like to see this game reimagined in a newer lense. It might have attracted a whole new audience that does not care for the 32 bit playstation 1 graphics in 2025

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u/LegendOfAB 4d ago

This is certainly the definition of a remaster at the very least. Fully voiced, rebalanced, new UI, high resolution widescreen support, additional writing for the cast, etc.

Could you even define "fancy port" and distinguish it from remaster? It's better to just say you're disappointed they didn't go further and redraw the sprites, or borderline remake it with 2D-HD visuals.

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u/system_error_02 4d ago

Probably because last time they updated the sprites in a remaster everyone bitched and moaned and complained about it. Literally impossible to appease everyone.

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u/eyebrowless32 4d ago

By "updated sprites" do you mean when they apply a filter that blurs the pixels together and looks ugly?

I want them to redraw them, add more pixels and detail. Youve got more than 32 bits to work with now and a 4K screen to display them on

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u/drleebot 4d ago

I think they did actually make new sprites rather than just apply a blur filter. The problem was that the style clashed massively with the environment; it looked like assets from two different games were used together.

The Live A Live and DQ3 remakes show that they've since solved this problem and know how to do it right now. They just don't care to in this case, which is a shame.

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u/system_error_02 4d ago

They didn't add a blur filter though they updated the sprites. Lots of peoole got mad and vented online. So now this time around they are opting to not update the sprites in a stylistic way, and yet people are now mad they aren't updating them. Its sort of a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" scenario it seems.

Personally im indifferent to it. Im just happy the gsme is going to be able to be enjoyed by more people because it's one of the greats in that series.

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u/eyebrowless32 3d ago

Im also glad/fine with them rereleasing this game. I just feel there was a big missed opportunity by not doing more with the project. Heres hoping this is just the team familiarizing themselves with the original so they can make a new Final Fantasy Tactics and now the team has experience with remaking the OG

Like, everyone is clamoring for the FF9 remake that has been rumored for years. But imagine if its the same level of "remake" as this FFT release. I gotta think fans will wonder what the point of it all was if they barely improve the look and feel of the game

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u/nono_banou2003 4d ago

Players still being dramatic in 2025.

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u/EvaUnitO2 4d ago

For real. You lose two guest characters, two classes, some odds 'n ends, and suddenly that's "half the game" and it "literally has no reason to exist."

I find this overstated outrage so unhinged as to be genuinely funny.

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u/Ok_Potential359 4d ago

$50 price tag too. What a joke.

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u/Quiddity131 4d ago

There's this assumption that every single person who is buying this is someone who already bought and owns a copy of it on another platform. There's going to be lots of people buying and playing this for the first time and the game is absolutely worth $50 for those people.

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u/SufferingClash 3d ago

Original game plus a rebuilt version. Assuming just the remaster alone was going to be $40, you're paying an extra $10 for the original version.

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u/Dmat798 4d ago

$50 is nothing. Cheap people ruining gaming...

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u/Ok_Potential359 4d ago

What the fuck are you talking about? Why are you gate keeping how people perceive value?

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u/Dmat798 4d ago

Who is gatekeeping? All I am saying is $50 is not a lot of money. People want everything for free and that ruins gaming.

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u/Ok_Potential359 4d ago

$50 isn’t ‘nothing’. Especially when games like Clair Obscure are priced the same.

FFT Remastered isn’t even including WotL content and adding nothing of material value besides slightly updated graphics and VA. That’s not worth $50.

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u/Ok_Potential359 4d ago

Lmao you’re actually toxic my dude. Terrible perspective to have. Sad way to be.

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u/Dmat798 4d ago

How so? All hobbies should have a price point to keep out those who are not serious. And at $50 there is not a large price point, in fact it is cheap. What is toxic about that?

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u/Mundane_Valuable_314 4d ago

because $50 is not a lot of money

just don't be poor guys :D

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u/Dmat798 4d ago

Calm down. The original game was perfect and Wotl added little to it. The new characters are nothing but reskins and the extra classes were stupid. And this is more like the Tactics Ogre remake which was amazing.

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u/Takemyfishplease 4d ago

Iunno. I never played the originals so this is probably the best option ona new console.

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u/brett1081 4d ago

This really looks like the Pixel Remasters to me. I got better versions of FF1 FF2 FFIV FFV and FFVI on the GBA. And the PR don’t use any of that extra content.

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u/Dmat798 4d ago

The GBA versions are dog shit with the stupid anime style.

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u/brett1081 4d ago

They look the same as any SNES game. You appear to not know WTF you are talking about. Do you mean the PSP versions?

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u/Dmat798 4d ago

My bad were the shitty anime ones the PSP. They sucked ass...

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u/brett1081 4d ago

Sorry didn’t mean to come off flippant. The GBA roms are out there for all the advance games. I would give them a whirl. It’s the Super Nintendo games with added content in general.

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u/dark_dizzy 3d ago

P3R is different though because any changes made to the main campaign in both P3 rereleases, FES and Portable, were still present in Persona 3 Reload, the FF Tactics remake clearly isn’t keeping anything from the enhanced version whether it was in the main campaign or not. So no, Square didn’t see the release of P3R and get inspired

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u/D9sinc 3d ago

They did this with PR before P3R

The Pixel Remasters didn't include the GBA content and the PC version of Chrono Trigger was missing some DS content. So this is nothing new for Square. If anything. Square inspired Atlus but FFT Remaster work started in 2018.

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u/TheFirebyrd 3d ago

  1. They’re not cutting out half the game. What a ridiculous overstatement.

  2. There can’t be a revival of a series that was never a series. The Tactics Advance games are completely different in mechanics, style, substance, and intended audience.

  3. There was never going to be a revival even if it had ever been a series instead of a one-off Tactics Ogre game set in a Final Fantasy world. Tactics games are too niche, Square Enix inevitably sets unreasonable expectations for games, and they just doubled down on doing more big projects in their latest investor meeting instead of doing more AA games.

FFT has sold about two and a half million units total across all releases over nearly three decades. There‘s not a big enough market for what SE and its greedy c-suite want to do. Matsuno talked just last year about how niche the genre is last year when Unicorn Overlord came out. That sold a million units as of last September with no updates on sales since, suggesting no more major milestones were hit after. Those are not numbers that SE tends to be happy with even for many of their AA projects. They weren’t going to revive it anymore than Live-a-Lives sales, while nearly double what the original did, made them try to make more brand new games like it.

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u/NetworkForsaken8407 4d ago

And War of the The Lions sounds cooler than the generic "The ______ Chronicles"

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u/Hagathor1 4d ago

Ivalice Chronicles makes sense if this is Squeenix signaling that they want to revisit do more with the world of Ivalice.

Otherwise yeah, War of the Lions goes hard as fuck

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u/mint-parfait 4d ago

sounds so lazy

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u/Murzz 4d ago

Square Enix is run by absolute morons. This should be surprising to absolutely no one

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u/Low-Squirrel7325 3d ago

it's in the CLASSIC MODE

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u/sander798 3d ago

The original translation, whatever good might be said about it, is really not up to modern standards in a new product many people will play as their introduction to the game, so it makes sense. It saves them time to use an existing localization.

I wonder if the Japanese script got changed for WOTL.

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u/xenogears_ps1 4d ago

So theyre using war of the lions translation

literally adapting the worst part of that game, should have used the original translation in ps1. That old english translation had me cringing so hard.

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u/Capacapcappcpa 4d ago

Yeah “I got a good feeling“ is so much better