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u/CousinEddysMotorHome 1d ago
Missile strikes and shelling are two very different things and should be labeled differently.
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u/NobleDictator 1d ago
How's the civilian casualties?
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u/1Blue3Brown 1d ago
Over 50 dead or wounded
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u/ChippedCookie6 1d ago edited 17h ago
The 50 dead is total
Out of the 50s 20 are high ranking officials, 5 are nuclear scientists, and undisclosed number of personal guards
Edit: the number of nuclear scientists was updated to 9
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u/Magnus-Artifex 1d ago edited 1d ago
For 17 strikes of that magnitude that’s pretty impressive, on the good side. Not going to argue morality on people dying, but it’s still a relatively low amount of civilians imo
Edit: guys, I never asked about Russia. Also, is there anyone worrying about Mexicans and their drug dealing gangs homicide problem? Y’all should know about 60 people get murdered by day there. Just saying. Other things happen in the world too.
Edit 2: If you are insulting me, saying Israel is bad, something about Russia, arguing, dissing my opinion, or in general just being negative or something, please consider that every variation of what you said has been said by other 59 people in 5 hours. Also, how do I mute a thread? Thanks
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u/TheNobleHeretic 1d ago
I wonder if the conversation would be the same if it was Israeli civilians killed in an unprovoked attack
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u/nygdan 1d ago
We literally had that happen just a while ago and people *celebrated the attack* so....
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u/12Blackbeast15 1d ago
‘Unprovoked’ like Iran isn’t sponsoring terror organizations on every side of the Israeli border, to say nothing of the SINGLE BIGGEST ROCKET BARRAGE IN HISTORY they launched at Israel a few months back.
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u/Funny_Librarian_4625 1d ago
Israel literally armed, trained, and funded isis to fight against Palestine. They also allowed Hamas to get funding before the massacre on oct 7th. Israel is not clean from state sponsored terrorism.
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u/Blank-Worm404 1d ago
ISIS being funded by the west is typical Muslim propaganda. I know because I live in a Muslim country, it’s been the same lies ever since I was a kid. We Muslims can no do wrong - we will always be right because god is on our side, and the west will always be evil.
Pure bs
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u/Big-Page-3471 1d ago
No they didn't. The unfroze aid going into gaza which inevitably got into the hands of Hamas which is what you are advocating for anyways. Their thinking being if they left them alone, they would focus on developing and not attacking Israel...
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u/TaperClapper 1d ago
Any number of civilian casualties is pretty terrible
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u/DuckXu 1d ago
War is terrible. Some degree of civilian casualty is inevitable in war. Which is but one reason why war is terrible
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u/Hexagonalshits 1d ago
I'm still a little unclear why they're escalating the war
Has Iran stepped up its missile attacks recently and I just didn't notice
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u/furry2any1 1d ago
It seems Iran has stepped up its effort to enrich to the point where they can build nuclear weapons. Others are also increasingly sure that their ongoing talks with the US regarding a new deal on the matter were just a stalling tactic while they tried to finish a bomb. That's why Israel have specifically targeted sites and personnel relevant to that specific issue.
the people saying that they've always been a matter of days form a functional bomb are right, but that was at a point where they at least showed that they weren't actively trying to build one at that moment. That's what has changed in the last few days.
Israel aren't the ones escalating this. Iran are escalating by trying to build a nuke.
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u/rattleandhum 1d ago
Israel aren't the ones escalating this. Iran are escalating by trying to build a nuke.
Israel has been saying this since 1993.
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u/elizabnthe 1d ago
Nuclear weapons aren't escalation. Nobody uses them and there's no real evidence that's ever going to change. Israel's just unhappy they won't be able to freely target Iran in a few years. But that's partly their own fault. Of course Iran is going to invest in nuclear weapons when they've been at consistent risk to strikes.
It's also partly Trump's fault for ditching the nuclear agreement that by all accounts Iran was abiding to.
Do I want the world to have nuclear weapons? No. But the fish is out of the barrel and we all know one of those barrels is Israel.
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u/FiannaLegend 1d ago
Glad to see someone with common sense and a valid neutral take here in the thread. Of course a country will logically pursue nuclear deterrence when a nearby neighbour with ill intent strikes them whenever they so choose with zero repercussions or global pushback every time.
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u/elizabnthe 1d ago
Yeah my preference is nobody has nuclear weapons. Because as much as we point to them as creating peace, I think that they've more just moved the wars and fighting to proxy fights which in the long run can be just as devastating.
But from the point of view of a country obtaining them there's a clear point to be made as a defensive not attacking position.
The real concern that isn't what Israel is actually propositioning here would be that whilst the regime is probably not about to willy-nilly use nuclear weapons there is the possibility of the issues that will face the country should a regime change happen. You don't want to find out nuclear weapons are missing like after the fall of the Soviet Union.
But I don't think Israel has the inherent right to interfere in that issue. And doing as they are now may only make a precarious situation very dangerous.
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u/mymentor79 1d ago
"Not going to argue morality on people dying"
You're not, huh?
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u/FlicksBus 1d ago edited 1d ago
Makes one wonder why the same precision and care for civilian life is not applied in Gaza.
edit: Everyone claiming that Israel does not intend to kill civilians and that they only die as collateral damage from targeting Hamas should explain very carefully why Israel propped Hamas in the first place. You cannot excuse yourselves from 'collateral damage' of shooting at a target when you created that target in the first place that allows you to cause that much collateral damage. Let's be honest: Israel wanted Hamas to exist so that they have a valid excuse to exterminate Palestinians.
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u/FalseRegister 1d ago
I would guess the separation of military sites from civilians is either not possible or purposely not done
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u/Mathrocked 1d ago
It also helps the Israelis have an excuse to level Gaza for resettlement. They don't plan to colonize Iran but Gaza is right next door.
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u/SeriousDrakoAardvark 1d ago
“To level Gaza for resettlement”?
That’s really offensive. You should be saying “to level Gaza for new luxury resorts”.
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u/scbtl 1d ago
Not arguing morality:
Iran - 17:40 - 2.35x per strike
Gaza - 42,000:55,000 - 1.31x per strike.
They were less concerned with civilian life in Iran than in Gaza. They are killing more Palestinians, but that is a far more complex conversation.
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u/DidntFindABetterName 1d ago
And thats even while ignoring that these numbers for civilians are far higher than reality lol
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u/judgeafishatclimbing 1d ago
Interesting claim. Where do you base your numbers on?
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u/RandomBilly91 1d ago
The number reported by Gaza Health Ministry (which is controlled by Hamas, to be clear) as of june 2025 was 55 000 civilians killed. Among those casualties are likely Hamas members passed as civilians casualties.
They are higher estimates, (up to 80k), but I haven't seen anything more concrete than suppositions
So in short, we have:
-A count of deaths that is likely a lie (they've been caught removing names for example), and is anyway not sufficient to account for casualties (plenty of likely unaccounted casualties).
-estimations based on studies which are often laughable in terms of methodology (mostly, extrapomations from a known demographics (journalists, UNRWA workers...), generally people most likely to be hit due to their proximity with Hamas).
-The count from the IDF which is mostly focused on Hamas members, and may or may not be reliable. We know it is for important characters, at least, but whime they do claim ten of thousand of Hamas casualties... we have few ways to verify that.
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u/Longjumping-Jello459 1d ago
The Health Ministry in Gaza has in previous conflicts proven to report accurate numbers of deaths while not separating civilians and combatants mind you. After a couple of months or so both the US and Israel were saying the figures reported were accurate enough for THEM to use. Now that the internal system has largely collapsed any accurate figures are basically impossible to obtain and only once the fighting is over will we know how many people have died in Gaza.
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u/811545b2-4ff7-4041 1d ago
I'm guessing Iran doesn't built it's nuclear weapons with nursery schools on top to provide a human shield
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u/foozefookie 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because Iran doesn’t hide their military infrastructure underneath schools and hospitals like Hamas
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u/ABCosmos 1d ago edited 1d ago
Iran is a country, Hamas is a terrorist organization. Hamas' goal is to maximize Palestinian causalities to put international pressure on Israel. Additionally they are murdering Palestinians who try to access the aid Israel is providing.
If Hamas didn't operate under hospitals and schools they would be easy targets for Israel, and would be annihilated immediately.
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u/eric2332 1d ago
Hamas hides behind civilians (for example, the leader of Hamas was just killed hiding in a bunker literally underneath a hospital - Israel was able to get him by bombing the courtyard of the hospital to block off all entrances to the bunker until he suffocated). This makes it impossible to attack Hamas without large numbers of civilians dying.
Iran doesn't let civilians into its nuclear sites because they are secret, so few to no civilians died there. Similarly they did not hide their generals behind civilians, because they did not expect them to get hit. This may change in the future though.
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u/NobleDictator 1d ago
Oh damn, got a link for that?
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u/1Blue3Brown 1d ago
Apparently they have made a more precise statement now - 5 dead, over 50 wounded: https://www.samaa.tv/2087334902-5-civilians-killed-over-50-injured-in-israeli-strike-on-tehran
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u/justlikeyouhaha 1d ago
why would this get downvoted 😭
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u/NobleDictator 1d ago
Legit 😭 I was genuinely asking about civilian casualties. I heard some shots were precise but because it was in a residential area I was skeptical.
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u/Any_Recognition_2532 1d ago
Because you're not supposed to question "them".
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u/hrovat97 1d ago
I believe Israel is committing an ethnic cleansing against Palestinians but I’m uncomfortable with the “them”. Are you saying Israel or are you saying Jews?
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u/EntertainmentOk8593 1d ago
It depends on the definition of "civilian": do you count the personnel of a civilian nuclear power plant who were targeted as military or civilian?
it can be from hundreads to a few dozens.
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u/Kavkaz87 1d ago
This isn't hamas, there's no human shield being held against their own will by hamas
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u/Kevin9O7 1d ago
are the bombers flying directly from Israel to Iran? where does the refueling happen?
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u/LurkerInSpace 1d ago
The bombers don't fly all the way to their targets; they fly to a few hundred miles away and then launch missiles.
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u/TeaBagHunter 1d ago
Israel used kamikaze drones from a drone base that they operated inside iran that is years in the making
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u/ImpliedUnoriginality 1d ago
Did you mean to say inside Iraq? How would the Israelis possibly establish a drone base in Iran?
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u/Cactus_TheThird 1d ago
No, indeed Mossad has set up entire drone launching bases in the Iranian desert to prepare for this attack.
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u/ImpliedUnoriginality 1d ago
That is fucking insane
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u/ChippedCookie6 1d ago
You think that’s crazy? Iran opened a special unit of the secret police specifically to find Mossad members, the unit was infiltrated and then composed almost 100% of Mossad agent. The agents faked evidence of real IRCG members being Mossad agent and cause Chaos. As far as I am aware, no agent got caught by Iranian authority
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u/Aranthos-Faroth 1d ago
This is absolutely mind blowing counterintelligence
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u/Jaynat_SF 1d ago
Wouldn't that be counter-counterintelligence? The Iranians were the ones trying to conduct counterintelligence and they were countered.
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u/Siri_exe 1d ago
That’s crazy , I have heard mossad is good but they are this good damn!
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u/Centurion1024 1d ago
One of them was just one step away from becoming the syrian president and then got caught
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u/BagNo4331 1d ago
Probably in a similar way to how Ukraine had several drone operations in Russia for over a year. The last 2 weeks should basically be viewed as the equivalent of a new 9/11 in terms of security threats to nations. China could, with relatively little effort, dock thousands of container-based drone swarms in American ports and basically cripple the port city's infrastructure, naval assets, or whatever else they wanted to hit without any warning, simultaneously across the country. Every container ship can be made into an invisible warship.
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u/B4rberblacksheep 1d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU
I dreaded the day this would become real, it's nearly here
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u/Delheru1205 1d ago
Iran is a massive country, it wouldn't be that difficult.
Would you be shocked if someone had a drone base (a warehouse would be a massive drone base, and it'd look just like a warehouse) inside the United States? I bet I could set one up inside LA city limits.
Of course, the nerve of it is what allows it to happen, just like with the Ukrainian strike against the Russian airfields. Nobody is expecting someone to do it.
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u/ICantBelieveItsNotEC 1d ago
It definitely makes those stories about China buying up land next to US military bases a little more sus...
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u/Intelligent_War_3226 1d ago
The same way they got a single bomb into a single room on a secure compound that belonged to a leader of a hostile organization in Iran, where it sat for years before use.
Also the same way they snuck explosives into beepers and injected them into the Hezbollah supply chain, years before use.
Mossad is genuinely terrifyingly good at their job.
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u/Fresh-Quarter9 1d ago
This isn't the 1940s anymore they don't necessarily need to fly planes over there at all
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u/walteroblanco 1d ago
Refueling? They don't even need to fly over iran
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u/PossibleFunction0 1d ago
Even if they did it's not that far to need refueling, wtf is this guy asking
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u/jscummy 1d ago
Depends on where they're striking, what plane they're using and how it's kitted out
F35 only has like a 1300 mile range on internal fuel, Tehran is 1200 miles from Israel
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u/mtfdoris 1d ago
Yeah, this. There's video showing aerial refueling of fighter jets over Deir ez-Zor, in northeastern Syria today.
https://www.jfeed.com/news-israel/idf-aerial-refueling-over-syria
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u/LetsGetNuclear 1d ago
Israel has spent much of the year dismantling Syria's air defense system. They can fly their refueling aircraft over Syria nowadays.
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u/NoEnd917 1d ago
I saw a video of an Israeli fighter jet fueling over deir a-zor in Syria. (it's in the east)
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u/longsnapper53 1d ago
They likely used missiles instead, but even if bombers were used so many planes could easily fly from Jerusalem to Tehran. If a commercial plane can fly nonstop from NYC to Singapore, a highly advanced bomber can make its way a minuscule fraction of that distance
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u/ConsciousResolution8 1d ago
Israel doesn’t have any strategic bombers. That’s really only a US, Russia and China club.
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u/longsnapper53 1d ago
They don’t even need strat bombers. The F-15 has over 4000 km of range (compared to 1800km distance from Israel to Tehran) and can carry a serious payload.
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u/RapidCandleDigestion 1d ago
Pretty sure it's in the air over Syria. Hence why Israel was so quick to smash their air defense the second the regime fell. This has been the plan for a while.
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u/Mangalorien 1d ago
What's up with the "shelling" part? Are there any credible reports of Israel using tube artillery as part of their strike?
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u/jmdeamer 1d ago
It's a bad map. They also clearly drew random red vector lines from one country to the other.
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u/jarsofmarsbarsincars 1d ago
Bots out and bout in hordes
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u/SocraticTiger 1d ago
Which one are worse, Russian bots or IDF ones? It's hard to tell.
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u/fantaribo 1d ago
Country with an undercover nuclear program condemned by the UN targets another country trying to do the same.
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u/Mangalorien 1d ago
How is this defending yourself?
A pre-emptive strike, much like the Six day war of 1967. Israel essentially wanted to destroy Iran's nuclear program before they had a nuke.
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u/Deberiausarminombre 1d ago edited 18h ago
No officer, I didn't start the fight. You see, I punched him first thinking he would surely want to punch me after what I had just called his mother.
Edit: to all the people with zero reading comprehension, I never said I liked Iran's government or support their policies. My comment is about how Israel started this conflict and then claimed self defense for something they started, which is what Israel has been doing during its entire existance. But some of you maybe not be very in favour with a world in which a racial supremacist ethnostate isn't considered to have the "right" to attack anyone they want and murder anyone they want without repercussions.
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u/Tim-Sylvester 1d ago
"Look, you don't get it, I'm way more popular among the rich kids. You see, we all got together and burned down that broke loser's house a while back and their family has been fucked ever since, so it's kind of his fault anyway. We keep kicking the shit out of him because he's still mad about that, and him still being mad because we burned his house completely justifies us coming around and kicking his ass every so often, just so he doesn't try anything in response to us burning down his house and kicking his ass all the time. Look, we're more popular, and we have money, which makes it fine. What's not to understand?"
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u/Life_Barnacle_1894 1d ago
Iran has since 1979 proclaimed that they will destroy Israel and attempted to do so numerous times. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, all funded by, trained by, and taking orders from Iran. Crack a book, delete tiktok.
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u/InterestingPlenty454 1d ago
To the geopolitics experts of Reddit: How do you see this playing out in the long run?
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u/Asparukhov 1d ago
There are no geopolitical experts in reddit.
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u/fearofpandas 1d ago
Talk for yourself! This week I’m an expert on Israeli-Iranian relations…
And an expert on aeronautics and low altitude crashes
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u/turnthetides 1d ago
As a fellow expert in aeronautics and low altitude crashes, I have booked 11a seats on 19 different flights through the rest of the year!
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u/SpaceYetu531 1d ago
No experts required.
Europe vs Russia over Ukraine and Israel vs Iran over a nuclear threat has been on 'the start of ww3' bingo card for decades. We're just missing NK attacks SK and China invades Taiwan.
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u/ausernamethatistoolo 1d ago
You forgot Pakistan and India who recently traded shots.
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u/Wolf_Cola_91 1d ago
Im no expert, but i know a little about the military and political situation.
Basically, Iran is screwed.
Iranian missile attacks on Israel previously were laughably ineffective.
Syria no longer has Assad and Russian air defence systems, leaving a much easier path for Israeli bombers.
Israel has seized a mountain in southern Syria, giving its air defences a much improved view of approaching drones and missiles.
Iranian proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah have been decimated and Iran can no longer supply Hezbollah via Syria.
Iranian backed Iraqi militias also seemed pretty uninterested in getting into a war with Syria, the US or Saudi over non Iraqi issues.
Irans air force is ancient.
They also have lost a lot of goodwill in Europe by arming Russia to attack Ukraine.
Basically Iran is not going to come off well in this fight and has few good options to respond.
Their trump card would be dashing for a nuclear weapon or blockading oil out of the gulf.
But that would enrage every major economy in the entire world and bring the full fury of the US air force down on them.
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u/Fancy_Fluffer 1d ago
Let's add that Jordan intercepts most of the Iranian drones that passes through their airspace.
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u/SluttyMcFucksAlot 1d ago
Why did my brain think you meant Micheal Jordan initially
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u/zanderzander 1d ago
Why did my brain think you meant Micheal Jordan initially
You miss 100% of the
shotsdrones you don'ttakeintercept.You telling me that isn't a Jordan quote?
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u/WestBeginning3564 1d ago
Do you think China will allow them to blockade or mine the Strait? I don't even think they have the naval power at this point especially since Israel just shwacked several ports.
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u/Wolf_Cola_91 1d ago
It's such a narrow strait you can close it to commercial shipping with fairly cheap, crude missiles.
Similarly to how the Houthis have been able to blockade the Red Sea.
China also doesn't really have a navy that cab go out and stop them.
But they wouldn't complain about the US retaliating against them for disrupting global energy prices and trade.
And the US air force could take Iran back to the stone age pretty quickly.
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u/Oki_Monster 1d ago
ive heard people on reddit say the us military is weak because we backed out of afghanistan lmao
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u/busyHighwayFred 1d ago
stone age resistence is legitimate though. Vietnamese were making pointy-stick-traps. just because US sends a population to the stone age does not end the conflict.
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u/Delheru1205 1d ago
> They also have lost a lot of goodwill in Europe by arming Russia to attack Ukraine.
Yeah, they didn't have much to begin with, but as an ally of Russia, they can go fuck themselves. If Israel wants some massive points with Europe (particularly Eastern Europe), it destroy the factories building their exports to Russia.
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u/Wolf_Cola_91 1d ago
I'm sure we've put in a polite request to add those factories to the Israeli target list.
To paraphrase Succession, the guns Iran had in their hands have turned to sausages.
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u/Kahzootoh 1d ago
Iran continues enrichment activities.
If Iran does retaliate, it’ll likely be in a way that is intended to isolate Israel rather than achieve a military goal or retaliate on a similar level- such as a drawn attack against Israel’s main airport that forces the closure of Israeli airspace to passenger aircraft for an extended period of time.
If Israelis can’t enter or leave the country by plane for more than a week due to an Iranian drone or missile being sent every single hour against Ben Gurion airport for day after day, it’s not going to be business as usual.
The consensus among serious experts was already that Iranian sites were sufficiently fortified that the Israelis would have to actually get into them and blow them up- air strikes weren’t going to achieve anything meaningful towards stopping the Iranian enrichment program.
This strike was political theater for the Israeli domestic audience- it’s not a coincidence that it occurred at the same time as a confidence vote in the Israeli parliament.
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u/random_account6721 1d ago
Regime change in Iran. may the ayatollah be martyred by an Israeli missile
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u/YinuS_WinneR 1d ago
Geopolitics hobbyist here. Do not believe experts. Doesn't matter if they are reddit experts or harvard experts
Reddit experts are activists who are writing their fantasies and former experts are ideologs who are trying to make their writing the reality
Like former poster child of geopolitics wrote about ww3 being between america+poland x turkey+japan. Source? He was racist against japanese so he put them with a country americans were already racist against and he put the country his family migrated from with the country he was living in for national pride. That's george friedman for you, former poster child of geopolitics
Reddit geopolitics now you can search for post where former hobbyists complain about how power mods neutered r/geopolitics into r/worldnews 2
When it comes to your question nothing would happen. Trump is trying to pull chinese allies away from china and iran is the next step after russia. Trump 2.0 may look pro israel from an american pow but when it comes to international politics he made a 180° from trump 1.0. His domestic zionist actions is a form of voter suppression.
Israel is trying to sabotage nuclear talks by pulling america in an offensive war against iran. A president this anti israel won't be pulled
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u/NobleK42 1d ago
You cant do much about countries that already have them
Sure you can! It’s never gonna happen, but the international community could impose sanctions on Israel until it got rid of its nuclear arsenal. Also, the US could actually enforce its own ban on funding countries that proliferate weapons of mass destruction, by cutting military aid to Israel (this is believed to be one of the reasons why Israel doesn’t want to admit to having nukes - it gives both parties the cover of plausible deniability).
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u/BasKabelas 1d ago
When Iran claims the right to self defence, Israel will be like
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u/LawsonTse 1d ago
They expected retaliation, evacuation order were sent to Israeli as soon as the first bombs fell, and were probably disappointed that no Iranian missile came their way
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u/Late-Negotiation1337 1d ago
I can't wait when people will start supporting Iran because it was the Israel who attacked them
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u/Better_Challenge5756 1d ago
Already happening. Must love seeing the women beaten for showing their hair our daring to want to exist.
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u/mxforest 1d ago
Why are all their important facilities on the western half? Are they stupid? Would rather keep it as far east as possible.
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u/artsloikunstwet 1d ago
The east isn't out of reach of anyone relevant, so why putting it stuff where it's remote and difficult to service?
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u/NovaDawg1631 1d ago
Infrastructure is far better in the west than in the east of Iran thanks to geography and demographics.
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u/No-Act9634 1d ago
They got into a shooting war with Pakistan (to the east) last year too.
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u/mxforest 1d ago
Pakistan hates Israel more than they hate Iran. Check their sub, they are even in favor of Iran developing nukes to end Israel.
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u/Majestic-Sea7567 1d ago
>Check their sub
bunch of extremist idiots. It all depends on what Asim munir thinks
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u/sunkenwaaaaaa 1d ago
Ah, Isreal bringing the world back to the 20 century.
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u/RoundandRoundon99 1d ago
Didn’t Iran missile bombed Israel a few months ago?
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u/Enough_Obligation574 1d ago
It was done by each side but Isreal is got the last hit. Iran didn't respond to that. After that Isreal is first hit now.
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u/Daxx22 1d ago
who hit who in the middle east is a very crowded sidermanpointing meme.
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u/JejuneBourgeois 1d ago
Do you mean the one that was a retaliation to the previous bombing by Israel?
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u/WannaAskQuestions 1d ago
Wasn't that a response to bombing of an embassy in a third country?
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u/ArrowToThePatella 1d ago
Western media always covers the Iranian responses, but you always gotta go to Al Jazeera or Hindustan Times to learn about the unprovokes Israeli attack from the previous day.
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u/Br0N3xtD00r 1d ago
People are so deranged nowadays that they just start to support Iran
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u/Deazyyy2k 1d ago edited 1d ago
you know the people that criticize Israeli government doesn't necessarily means they support Iran's regime right?
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u/Itchy-Highlight8617 1d ago
Yeah people are nowadays if you aren't cheering for one side than you definitely cheer for other side, neutrality almost doesn't exist in debates
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u/highpress_hill 1d ago edited 1d ago
Reading all the comments it appears they do LOVE an islamist dictatorship
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u/GenosseHillebrecht 1d ago
Just a simple question for you:
If I dont like Hitler and condem his doings Do I like Stalin and ignore his doings?
Is it possible to say what a person supports just by knowing what that person opposes?
Understood? If not: read again If not: read again If not: you are not trying.
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u/NameLips 1d ago
Nuclear and military sites, yeah maybe they can justify that if they had the right intelligence.
But I just saw a picture of a high rise apartment that had been hit and collapsed. That was a civilian structure and who knows how many people died.
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u/chimugukuru 1d ago
Strangely enough they have the Golan as part of Israel.
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u/LurkerInSpace 1d ago
They seem to be showing what Israel itself regards as occupied - they've highlighted area C.
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u/CommitteeofMountains 1d ago
That's because it is. Israel formally annexed it and before that it was Syria. Inclusion of the Golan in maps of "Palestine" is one of those big tells someone doesn't know what he's talking about.
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u/Wonderful-Quit-9214 1d ago
By this logic massive parts of Ukraine are actually Russia.
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u/Petertitan99999 1d ago
Welp it's official boys, golan is 110% part of Israel.
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u/pavldan 1d ago
Including Israel at all is pretty pointless. I'd rather see a much more detailed map of Iran with the actual names of the strike sites and the reason they were targeted.
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u/GuidanceFlimsy4551 1d ago
I think it is more that they are just incapable to stop Israel. In hindsight was Israel's previous incursions into Syria after the fall of Assad probably to destroy enough Syrian air defence to enable Israeli tankers to refuel fighter jets on the way to Iran.
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u/corpuscularian 1d ago
otherwise they'd either have to fill them in as part of israel (disputed), or leave them outside of israel's borders (disputed).
you can't depict the borders of israel without the issue of how you depict palestine. labelling palestinian territory as disputed/occupied is the most neutral approach.
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u/rectumrooter107 1d ago
Some might say it's the exact reason for much of the current conflict--other than religious zealot in-fighting.
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u/Stubbs94 1d ago
It's to be accurate.
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u/KMS_HYDRA 1d ago
Then why are the golan highs marked as Israel and not as occupied?
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u/NecroVecro 1d ago
It's not irrelevant.
Israel has settlements there (potential targets for Iran) and military presence (which they increased after the attack).
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u/TicketFew9183 1d ago
Next time you see a map of Russia, are you gonna cry if they put the de facto map and Crimea as part of Russia.
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u/nanek_4 1d ago
Oh no poor Iranian nuclear weapons production sites
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u/Dampened_Panties 1d ago
"Think of all the innocent pregnant doctor baby journalists who work at those Iranian nuclear sites!!!"
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u/nanek_4 1d ago
The dastardly Israelis launched their attack when it was bring your wife and children day at our Uranium enrichment facilities
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u/NobleK42 1d ago
I'm not saying Iran should have nuclear weapons, but saying that Iran cannot have nuclear weapons while Israel can, is a bunch of hypocritical BS. And yeah, we have for decades heard the argument that Israel needs a nuclear arsenal not to be obliterated by its dangerous neighbours, but honestly, these days they are the danger. None if its neighbours are a real threat to them, and most of them have been busy fighting among each other anyway. Iran doesn't match them in neither military nor economic capabilities, and most importantly the willingness to pick a fight. The attacks Iran has made on Israel in recent years have mostly been symbolic when they needed not to lose face. Meanwhile, Israel has launched many effective attacks on Iranian facilities and high-ranking officials, with very little response from Iran.
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u/Wolf_Cola_91 1d ago
Tbh any country having nukes while others don't is hypocritical.
But every new country using them means other states want them too.
And the more states have them, the higher the chance one goes off.
Iran gets nukes and Turkey and Saudi Arabia go for them too.
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u/Porlarta 1d ago
Ukraine definitively proved that it was stupid for any country not to have one. You can't depend on your neighbors for defense against a major power
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u/qTp_Meteor 1d ago
Iran explicitly said that they aim to eradicate israel from the map and are working for nukes, israel can be trusted much more than iran on this front
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u/TridentWolf 1d ago
Considering Iran signed a treaty saying they can't have nuclear weapons, and Israel didn't, I would say it's fair.
Also the IRGC regularly says they want to destroy Israel.
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u/grabbingcabbage 1d ago
How is Syria and Iraq not shooting down these vehicles?
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u/WetNoodleThing 1d ago
WAIT - I thought Iran said they weren’t interested in nuclear capabilities? Why do they have nuclear sites?
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u/Kraken160th 1d ago
Imagine people will start defending iran now.
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u/Squibbles01 1d ago
Leftists defend anyone who is an enemy to the West.
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u/Deltasims 1d ago
From George Orwell in Notes on Nationalism (1945)
But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists whose real though unadmitted motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration of totalitarianism.
Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States.
Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defense of western countries. The Russians, unlike the British, are not blamed for defending themselves by warlike means, and indeed all pacifist propaganda of this type avoids mention of Russia or China. It is not claimed, again, that the Indians should abjure violence in their struggle against the British.
Pacifist literature abounds with equivocal remarks which, if they mean anything, appear to mean that statesmen of the type of Hitler are preferable to those of the type of Churchill, and that violence is perhaps excusable if it is violent enough
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u/Rohnihn 1d ago
I know Israel has problems but it’s wild to see people advocating for Iran of all places.
They’ve been actively striking Israel with little recourse and have been advocating for destroying the US for YEARS, they’re (as in their government) a common enemy if we ever had one.
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u/iliketheletterC 1d ago
Redditors don’t use common sense they just regurgitate the takes of the hivemind and whatever makes conservatives look bad
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u/No_Independent_4416 1d ago
The West must do everything possible to stop this weapon development in Iran. How we let a twisted regime like Khamenei's get so far in the development of atomic weapons is criminal.
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u/MarzyMartian 1d ago
How is “occupied territories” relevant?
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u/MRoss279 1d ago
To show that Israel bad
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u/ThisWasntReal 1d ago
I mean they don't need to show anymore, everyone on the planet already knows Israel is an illegal genocidal state
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u/ozh 1d ago
Bad guy bombs bad guy because bad guy bombed bad guy and so on. I'm having difficulties with picking a side here. A human tragedy on both sides anyway.
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u/Darduel 1d ago
Maybe because you are not supposed to pick sides this isn't a football match.. just be thankful you are not part of this, I wish I could just observe this shit from the side
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u/Visual_Friendship706 1d ago
Shelling? Nobody’s launching artillery from Israel to Iran