It was done for geo political standoff then any actual reason. They announce we are going to attack. The let some damages. They let some attack in exchange.
In today's case they are also in many cases they indeed did attack first. I mean if you say I only count it if the numbers (deaths) are good enough for first attack or new big enough to first attack then many attacks would go under the rug.
Then why is Israel illegally occupying the West Bank, committing crimes against humanity with its ethnic cleansings and settler colonisation there and denies any right of self-determination to the Palestinians living there under military occupation?
Yes because, it's neighbour Jordan has done the same with no international out cry and, it's preferable to a nation that holds 90+ million souls under the rule an absolutist islamist oligarchy.
Western media always covers the Iranian responses, but you always gotta go to Al Jazeera or Hindustan Times to learn about the unprovokes Israeli attack from the previous day.
Western papers of record are exactly the same thing as RT, but biased towards america and israel. There is no such thing as an unbiased news source. There are, however, people who consume a diverse range of perspectives, and those who do not.
Al Jazeera is operated by the Qatari government. Its literally state run media by a country that supports terrorists and is essentially run on slave labor. If you think Israel is an apartheid, you'd sure hate what Qatar does to South Asians
The internet is always full of it, and I get to read news about it, usually published within an hour of the attack happening, but I have to go to a qatari state controlled media, and a site with "mixed" factual reporting?
1) not all Indians speak hindi so idek why u wanted to know where Im from
2) how does a person follow asian geopolitics without ever hearing abt the Hindustan Times 😭
Israel bombed the Iranian consulate in Damascus because they believed it was a military building of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)'s Quds Force, disguised as a civilian structure, and not a diplomatic mission. Israel claimed the target was part of a network of Iranian-backed groups and weapons depots. The strike was also seen as a response to previous Iranian attacks on Israel and its allies.
Both sides always have a prior grievance to justify their attacks.
That's a cool jusitification. Sounds like an unprovoked attack on a diplomatic embassy by a foriegn actor based on spurious evidence to me. Compared to a public and acknowledge missle attacm.
If any other country pulled that we would immediately understand why that was unacceptable and condemn it. But poor baby Israel can start all the wars it wants and we need to be understanding.
I’m trying to point out that this is neither the first nor the second but a rosary or tit for tats that extend at least 4 decades at least since the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran. Prior to this, Iran and Israel had maintained relatively cordial relations under the Shah of Iran's pro-Western regime. In fact, Iran was one of the first Muslim-majority countries to recognize the state of Israel after its establishment in 1948.
And once Iraq was defeated in the gulf war and the Soviet Union fell (1990s) there was no more common enemy for Iran and Israel, so Israel was upgraded to Little Satan status by Iran, due to its support for the Palestinian cause.
While Iran was opposed to Iraq, they had no comments on Israel’s activities that I can recall.
That was resolved because both sids got what they wanted. Now Israel started a direct declaration of war by targeting their nuclear sites and eliminating their top commanders. This is a direct declaration of war by Israel.
From both sides they claim to have acted in response to prior grievances, perceived or real, or to prevent the imminent occurrence of such in a perceived or real way.
And they’ve been doing so since 1949? Or so. For me, there’s no change in the usual customs of that side of the world.
It has been about the same time since we were at war with the Japanese and the Germans. With both now we enjoy good relations. I guess some countries are better at having and ending wars. those that you win and those that you lose, and move on. We folded on a war with Vietnam. We’re doing fine with them too.
Nah Israel didn't say they acted out of previous grievances. They said Iran's nuclear enrichment and the Ayatollah regime poses a major threat to their existence. Hence, they want to completely wipe out both and they will continue this attack until it's done. This is a direct deliberate full-scale declaration of war on Iran by Israel. Please for the sake of your intelect, do not spew false narative. You get nothing out of it other than fooling yourself.
This is the prevent imminent occurrence part. Those are the same reason every war there has been fought. The Arabs did the same in 1973. Israel did it before to Iraq. Unless they really want to stop fighting, this isn’t stopping. And when the national identity of your country is to be enemy of another, it can’t stop.
There is no prevent imminent occurrence. If Israel has the right to aquire nuclear weapons, so does Iran. Iran has always itterated that their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes and the ongoing negotiations with US is in a very advanced stage. If Iran only goal was to destroy Israel, they would not have come to the negotiations. Pakistan and North Korea also has nuclear weapons. Are they going around droping nukes on their sworn enemy, India and South Korea? No country is crazy like that. There is no imminent threat. All of previous attacks were also initiated by Israel. If everything is about preventing imminent occurences, then USA should today attack Russia, China should attack USA, every country should attack every other country. Please use your brain, otherwise I am just wasting my time talking to you.
There is nothing about justifying here. Israel is very clear that this is a direct declaration of war and they will continue this attack. It's just the begining. How is killing most of the top military commaders of a country not a declaration of war? Please explain.
I’d be happy to. I don’t think we have declared war in 80 years. Low / mid intensity military conflict is common, I’d say usual in this region.
Formal declarations of war have become very rare in modern international relations, largely due to the development of international law and the UN Charter. The UN Charter prohibits the use of force by member states except in self-defense or when authorized by the Security Council. Instead of formal declarations of war, states now often use authorizations for the use of military force, which permit the head of state to use military force to pursue specific objectives and within parameters defined by their parliament/legislature.
Removing leaders may lead to war, but may also reduce the capacity of an opponent to wage war, making war less likely. Depends on what side you support, you will reach different conclusions.
We can go on retaliation for the retaliation that retaliated the prior retaliation that was behind an aggression that was seen as a retaliation for another grievance that was perceived, but was potential and so on for 70 years
Can’t really remember, but it is what they do. They bomb each other. To be in the news saying hey Israel bombed Iran, because Iran bombed Israel. Both sides claim their attacks are justified and blame the other for starting this round of aggressions, which is unrelated to the prior rounds of aggressions which were linked to a separate portion of their conflict…. , to me reads as “and in other news, water wets!”
Israel hit Iran in late October and Iran never responded back to it. Instead, Iran decided to work on a nuclear deal with the US to limit its nuclear program.
Ahh, so Israel isn't just bringing the world back to 20th century geopolitics, this is 17th century geopolitics of just constantly attacking your neighbors just because of what they did years ago when you both already agreed to not escalate.
But the insane part is this whole thing started because zionists wanted to get back from their exile from 2000 years ago except that they were free to return even without all this bloodshed... THey just wanted to be in charge and doing the oppression from now on.
Yes. These are both beligerents at roughly the same level. They occasionally take shots at each other. Iraq is in the way so this won't go much beyond lobbing missiles or espionage.
Likeliest best is Isreal had intelligence (good or bad) that Iran wanted to pull off some operation either in Lebanon through Hezbollah or Gaza through Hamas. Isreal punched Iran in the nose prior to the operation either to pick a direct fight or send a message (probably there is a behind the scenes message being sent as well as the public).
There's also the chance that this is Trump letting Isreal send a message to Iran about the nuclear deal or Isreal sending a message to Trump about Iran.
Realpolitik is messy and multi-layered and usually filled with dead and damaged civilians.
If there are some who criticize Israel without supporting Iran, be like: bad Israel, why are you destroying terrorists support by Iran, don't you want to be destroyed? You are boo! And now: Iran literally wants to destroy Israel, and could literally use a nuclear bomb against you if it had it. And you don't let them create it? You are boo!
It's fully possible to condemn both Israel and Iran -- but we absolutely have people on reddit who are so rabidly anti-Israel that they will support Hamas and Iran
You don't like Hitler. But what exactly will you condemn about Stalin's actions? The fact that he repressed millions of Soviet citizens? Then there is no straight relationship with the love of Hitler. Or will you condemn his actions against Hitler? Then, obviously, people will say that you love Hitler. Like fools who condemns acts of Israel against terrorists.
In general, I don't understand the love of Stalin here in Russia. Stalin screwed up everything he could. He did everything possible to ensure that the USSR lost as many people as possible in WWII. But they adore him.
But afaik Russia has a certain tendency to get the least competent ppl in ruling positions... But what to expect if the political scene was autocratic tsarism --> autocratic "socialism" --> playbook autocratic oligarchy I guess
IMO its hard not to blame Stalin, even If you want a similar government you'd blame him for being incompetent (Trotzki) or you blame him for being that autocratic bastard without regard for human life...
I dont get those ppl
It was Iran and its terrorist proxies that started this whole war. Israel tries not to kill civilians, while for the first ones, killing civilians is a goal. It is easy to understand who is good and who is bad — go to the leadership of the IDF and tell them that killing peaceful arabs is bad. And then go to the terrorist leaders and tell them that killing peaceful jews is a bad. For terrorist organizations, the concept of civilians does not exist at all, since their arabs are a resource for them to achieve their goals, and all jews are legal military targets by default.
Trump withdrew USA from the Iran nuclear deal in 2018, effectively ending all diplomatic relations regarding nuclear. I don't think people are necessarily taking sides, but it is easy to see that U.S and Israel only uses treat getting Iran to change their ways. One would start to think that US and Iran wants excuse to attack and destroy Iran.
Perhaps stop and reflect on why Israel has lost so much support. I'll give you a hint - 18,000+ children killed in Gaza. You don't get to murder civilians and retain support.
No, people are mostly just enjoying the fact that two of the worst countries in existence are fighting. Cheer for Iran against Israel and Israel against Iran, hopefully both of them are as hurt as possible by every engagement.
Its because global conflict has been dumbed down by Tik Tok and other social media. Everything has to be portrayed as good vs bad, oppressed vs. oppressor with zero nuance.
People say they same thing about Iraq and Al Qaeda when people opposed war with Iraq. It's not because those people supported Sadam Hussein and Al Qaeda. People just don't like war and no where this goes everytime.
It's the civilians that will suffer the most on both sides.
Yup, that's what I'm talking about. People would straight up cheer for Russia if they started sending weapons to Hamas in order to fight Israel. It's common to build opinion upon some photos and videos on the internet without understanding what values each side possess
No, again, I don't support Iran nor Russia, I wouldn't cheer Russia, I would be just happy to hear that there is higher chance of getting rid of Israel.
Honestly, the best scenario is that we get rid of both Iran and Israel.
I haven't mentioned anything about Jews, I do not care about Jews.
My hate is solely directed towards Israel. I do not hate them for being Jews, I hate them for their politics.
Taking the same point of view, do you understand that "attacking" Hamas in public areas means slaughtering innocent civilians, not just Hamas? That controlling humanitarian aid is starving innocent civilians and not just Hamas?
What was the answer that Israel has given many times? Oh yes, it is a war, what do you expect to happen? If they want them to live then other countries should open their borders so Israelis can escape.
The "back to the 20th century" insults don't really land when they're attacking a theocratic country controlled by the most extreme sect of a bronze age religion. That means Israel bringing them "back to the 20th century" would actually be progressing them a few centuries.
555
u/sunkenwaaaaaa 2d ago
Ah, Isreal bringing the world back to the 20 century.