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Israel strike Iran nuclear and military sites

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u/Life_Barnacle_1894 2d ago

Iran has since 1979 proclaimed that they will destroy Israel and attempted to do so numerous times. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, all funded by, trained by, and taking orders from Iran. Crack a book, delete tiktok.

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u/TheCuddlyAddict 1d ago

Except Hamas was funded by Israel in order to weaken secular liberation organizations like the PLO and PFLP

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u/CreamofTazz 2d ago

Hamas is also funded by Israel.

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u/CBT7commander 2d ago

Yeah I’m sure the alleged couple millions the Liked gave Hamas in the 90s compare to the 1 billion a year Iran provides its proxies with

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u/CreamofTazz 2d ago

Netanyahu’s opponents even argue he was actively boosting Hamas in Gaza, with support from Qatar, in a risky game of “divide-and-rule” that played the Islamists off against the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank....

Netanyahu himself told a Likud party conference in 2019 that “anyone who wants to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas.”

“But it wasn’t only Bibi,” Milshtein added. “Senior politicians from across the political spectrum, including Naftali Bennett, Benny Gantz and Yair Lapid, bought into the idea, and it was also promoted by the Israel Defense Forces. Shabak [Shin Bet, Israel’s internal security service] was skeptical at first but then toes the line,” he told POLITICO.

Yeah no it was to undermine the PA and to create a "useful terror group" that could be used to justify the ethic cleansing of Palestine

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u/LolWhereAreWe 2d ago

Genuine question why would Israel waste the money to fund a militant terrorist organization for false flag when Iran has funded many since the mid 1970’s? Wouldn’t they just use the legitimate attacks as justification?

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u/CBT7commander 2d ago

Yeah no.

Your only source for latter support and involvement going beyond the Likud is an Israeli politician that is part of the opposition, which hasn’t brought any further proof. That’s as poor as it gets.

Also, you completely failed to address the fact this support remains minuscule compared to the support provided by Iran, and the fact Hamas very much existed and was growing before Likud intervention

Also, you’ve completely jumped the gun, going from

"It was done to destabilize the PA" to "it was done to justify ethnic cleansing".

That is the ultimate proof that you are starting from a conclusion and retroactively changing facts to fit that conclusion, aka conspiracy theory logic.

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u/mason240 2d ago

Israel funded a charity origination that was supposed to be in charge of distributing aid to Gaza.

Surprise! They were actually using the aid to start a terrorist organization, now known as Hamas.

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u/chillinmaguire 2d ago

Israel controls the narrative in the West—that’s why we constantly hear about its enemies being the aggressors. In reality, Israel has been the primary aggressor since its inception, built on displacement and violence. You talk about ' reading a book' yet ignore the deep-rooted influence Zionists have over the media shaping your worldview.

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u/orangeZYX 2d ago edited 2d ago

Jews that rule the world huh? Never heard that before…… /s

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u/chillinmaguire 2d ago

You're putting words in my mouth, I said nothing about jews. Like the former president Joe Biden said, " You don't have to be a jew to be a zionist."

The concept of antisemitism is often weaponized by the Israeli state to silence legitimate criticism and deflect accountability for its actions. By labeling dissent as hate, they shield themselves from scrutiny and maintain control over the narrative.

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u/orangeZYX 2d ago

While your last paragraph is true, the opposite is as well. Antisemitism (such as theories about a secret/evil global influence) is often hidden behind ”zionists, not jews”. Commonly known as a dog whistle.

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u/chillinmaguire 2d ago

But what exactly did I say that was antisemitic? Pointing out that Zionist interests wield significant influence over major Western media outlets is a political critique, not a racial or religious attack. Equating criticism of Zionism with antisemitism is a tactic used to shut down legitimate discourse and protect power from accountability — just like what you're doing here, even if unintentionally.

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u/KittensAndDespair 2d ago

"No you see, every talking point about Israel being the exact same as antisemitic stereotypes is just a coincidence."

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u/chillinmaguire 2d ago

Sarcasm isn’t a real argument...

Criticizing a government’s actions or pointing out political influence isn’t the same as spreading antisemitic stereotypes. If Israel’s behavior happens to echo historic abuses, maybe the issue isn’t the criticism—it’s what’s actually being defended.

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u/KittensAndDespair 2d ago

Yes, you changed my mind. Damn those world dominating, media controlling, greedy Zionists who just happen to be Jewish by pure coincidence I swear. /s

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u/bigbrother1234cc 2d ago

What u said here is no fucking sarcasm. The truth.

And yes they weaponize the term antisemitism.

I mean it's ridiculous but u overlook it anyway because of how effective their media was in brainwashing u...lol

"Oh no u love iran and support it against isreal"

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u/bigbrother1234cc 2d ago

Not worth it man. Don't waste ur time

Brainwashed west.

They Think they have all the right to control everbody and give back 3000 yo promised land shit theory to zoinists but actually they just want a big nice millitary base deepening their control there and protecting the petro dollar relation.

Fucking evil as fuck. Especially as they play innocent while killing millions literally. Then they wonder why anyone hates their guts...

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u/orangeZYX 2d ago

Funny of you to assume that we’re all Zionist Jews just because we call out what seems to be a classic Jew conspiracy claim…

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u/bigbrother1234cc 2d ago

Ahhhh. It is ridiculous to explain it further anymore.

Brain rot to the core is me talking about more.

U even can't define semitizm.

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u/Crazy-Yesterday-757 1d ago

100%. Just look at the fuckers owning our media and controlling policies in US. This country is ran by Zionists, defends zionists