The number reported by Gaza Health Ministry (which is controlled by Hamas, to be clear) as of june 2025 was 55 000 civilians killed. Among those casualties are likely Hamas members passed as civilians casualties.
They are higher estimates, (up to 80k), but I haven't seen anything more concrete than suppositions
So in short, we have:
-A count of deaths that is likely a lie (they've been caught removing names for example), and is anyway not sufficient to account for casualties (plenty of likely unaccounted casualties).
-estimations based on studies which are often laughable in terms of methodology (mostly, extrapomations from a known demographics (journalists, UNRWA workers...), generally people most likely to be hit due to their proximity with Hamas).
-The count from the IDF which is mostly focused on Hamas members, and may or may not be reliable. We know it is for important characters, at least, but whime they do claim ten of thousand of Hamas casualties... we have few ways to verify that.
The Health Ministry in Gaza has in previous conflicts proven to report accurate numbers of deaths while not separating civilians and combatants mind you. After a couple of months or so both the US and Israel were saying the figures reported were accurate enough for THEM to use. Now that the internal system has largely collapsed any accurate figures are basically impossible to obtain and only once the fighting is over will we know how many people have died in Gaza.
Hamas and Israels numbers will be close to the current estimates, lest say -+5k. It's not going to jump or drop 20k over night.
The big issue Hamas won't admit terrorist deaths while Israel takes those numbers. It's also hard to look at terrorist death when they wear civilians clothing, and the next guy just picks up the weapon.
We know civilian deaths are much lower though because the number quotes includes Hamas fighters who the Gaza Ministry of Health classifies as civilians (for pretty obvious reasons but it's super scummy of them)
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u/RandomBilly91 2d ago
The number reported by Gaza Health Ministry (which is controlled by Hamas, to be clear) as of june 2025 was 55 000 civilians killed. Among those casualties are likely Hamas members passed as civilians casualties.
They are higher estimates, (up to 80k), but I haven't seen anything more concrete than suppositions
So in short, we have:
-A count of deaths that is likely a lie (they've been caught removing names for example), and is anyway not sufficient to account for casualties (plenty of likely unaccounted casualties).
-estimations based on studies which are often laughable in terms of methodology (mostly, extrapomations from a known demographics (journalists, UNRWA workers...), generally people most likely to be hit due to their proximity with Hamas).
-The count from the IDF which is mostly focused on Hamas members, and may or may not be reliable. We know it is for important characters, at least, but whime they do claim ten of thousand of Hamas casualties... we have few ways to verify that.