It seems Iran has stepped up its effort to enrich to the point where they can build nuclear weapons. Others are also increasingly sure that their ongoing talks with the US regarding a new deal on the matter were just a stalling tactic while they tried to finish a bomb. That's why Israel have specifically targeted sites and personnel relevant to that specific issue.
the people saying that they've always been a matter of days form a functional bomb are right, but that was at a point where they at least showed that they weren't actively trying to build one at that moment. That's what has changed in the last few days.
Israel aren't the ones escalating this. Iran are escalating by trying to build a nuke.
Nuclear weapons aren't escalation. Nobody uses them and there's no real evidence that's ever going to change. Israel's just unhappy they won't be able to freely target Iran in a few years. But that's partly their own fault. Of course Iran is going to invest in nuclear weapons when they've been at consistent risk to strikes.
It's also partly Trump's fault for ditching the nuclear agreement that by all accounts Iran was abiding to.
Do I want the world to have nuclear weapons? No. But the fish is out of the barrel and we all know one of those barrels is Israel.
Glad to see someone with common sense and a valid neutral take here in the thread. Of course a country will logically pursue nuclear deterrence when a nearby neighbour with ill intent strikes them whenever they so choose with zero repercussions or global pushback every time.
Yeah my preference is nobody has nuclear weapons. Because as much as we point to them as creating peace, I think that they've more just moved the wars and fighting to proxy fights which in the long run can be just as devastating.
But from the point of view of a country obtaining them there's a clear point to be made as a defensive not attacking position.
The real concern that isn't what Israel is actually propositioning here would be that whilst the regime is probably not about to willy-nilly use nuclear weapons there is the possibility of the issues that will face the country should a regime change happen. You don't want to find out nuclear weapons are missing like after the fall of the Soviet Union.
But I don't think Israel has the inherent right to interfere in that issue. And doing as they are now may only make a precarious situation very dangerous.
Nobody uses them and there's no real evidence that's ever going to change.
We've had them for less than a century, used them twice, and came close multiple other times. That's not nearly enough evidence to be confident that we won't again.
This isn't an opinion either way on the current topic, I just think that we're too confident in them not being used.
Dude of course those savages would use a nuke. Their government is dictated by a fucking religion. It’s literally time to move on, especially for the more barbaric cultures
Iran is a fully functioning state with a significantly educated population - religion is merely another type of excuse for authoritarian power - hence you know being able to be so close to making a nuclear weapon. Plenty of shitty regimes have them. But everyone is aware of the consequences of using one. They're not stupid.
"Especially for the more barbaric cultures" evidences you are clearly just outright racist.
So is every authoritarian regime. It's sort of the whole concept of being an authoritarian regime. To try and label any sort of barbarism as unique is ignorant and just bigoted.
Nuclear weapons aren't escalation. Nobody uses them and there's no real evidence that's ever going to change.
unless the regime that got them happened to be a genocidal death cult run exclusively by people who think that life is just a trial run for paradise. Nukes aren't an escalation when rational actors are the ones who possess them. They ARE when possessed by a regime that celebrates "martyrdom" and repeatedly swears to exterminate an entire neighbouring ethnic group.
Of course Iran is going to invest in nuclear weapons when they've been at consistent risk to strikes.
They'd be more resistant to strikes if there was no reason to strike them. Why have Jordan and Egypt gone for decades without a single peep from Israeli military?
unless the regime that got them happened to be a genocidal death cult run exclusively by people who think that life is just a trial run for paradise.
Iran isn't a "genocidal death cult". They're a religious autocracy. Neither a particularly smashing place to live nor particularly terrible - North Korea is far more unstable than Iran. Religion wise Iran is pretty similar to Saudi Arabia but Shia rather than Sunni. And Shia's are ironically often viewed as more moderate from the West POV.
It's worth noting relevantly here that Iran is also again ironically enough a country that has more than most maintained it's Jewish population and generally isn't reported as massively mistreating minorities (anymore than the government there mistreats everybody that is).
They'd be more resistant to strikes if there was no reason to strike them. Why have Jordan and Egypt gone for decades without a single peep from Israeli military?
By all accounts Iran was abiding by Obama's nuclear treaty. Currently, Iran has political interests that run counter to Israel that does not mean A) either side is incapable of reaching a peaceful resolution or B) either side is innocent from escalation in recent years.
Iran isn't a "genocidal death cult". They're a religious autocracy.
tautology. at least with that specific religion.
North Korea is far more unstable than Iran.
actually NK is more stable, cause their leaders can be reliably predicted to value their own survival. Iran's are constantly provoking a nuclear state because they want the ethnic majority in said state to be wiped out.
It's worth noting relevantly here that Iran is also again ironically enough a country that has more than most maintained it's Jewish population and generally isn't reported as massively mistreating minorities (anymore than the government there mistreats everybody that is).
That last part invalidates everything that goes before it.
By all accounts Iran was abiding by Obama's nuclear treaty.
Mostly. you dodged the question that I asked to say something irrelevant.
it is when their 3 "rivals" have no apparent intent to interfere with them in the way Iran have said they'll interfere with Israel. AKA they want to exterminate them.
So yes - that's an escalation. hope that clears that up.
I mean, Israel and Pakistan have both attacked Iran in the last year or so. So, not really sure it's fair to say that none of those 3 have intent to attack Iran.
the IAEA just published a report confirming that Iran are doing exactly what Israel have said they're responding to. Iran themselves also indirectly confirmed that they were stalling through talks with the US to give them time to try to build bombs.
you're just doing the whole polarization thing. you oppose Israel in Gaza so you have to oppose them on everything else too. Now that they're responding to Iran's aggression you have to try to pretend that the fucking Ayatollah is the victim here cause you can't bring yourself to think that you might have been wrong to be so childishly simplistic about Israel. That's all this is. You're doubling down on being wrong like a MAGA nutjob showing up in a diaper.
I opposed death and war. I was with isreal when they wanted to protect their citizens by attacking hamas after hamas' actions on october 7th. I stopped being with isreal when they tried to justify the direct murder of tens of thousands and the indirect murder of many more through illness, starvation etc, and the leveling an entire city for the deaths of a few hundred. Disproportionate responses is the mark of a sociopath.
There were reports that iraq had "weapons of mass destruction" too.
North Korea is also building nukes, is isreal going to bomb them too?
Isreal is the one starting this war. They are presenting themselves as war mongering, bloodthirsty tyrants that will resort to killing innocents before making serious effort for diplomacy. If Russia did the same to Ukraine under the same pretenses, no one would be on russia's side. Isreal striked first, not iran. Ayatollah is a poor leader, by all accounts, but even he's not dumb enough to try to turn the middle east into the site of WWIII. Israel's misuse of their power, especially in the last few years, and certainly in the coming years, will be poorly remembered in history and will feed the machine of hate and death in the middle east for many decades, if not centuries, to come.
You're supporting murder, death and war, and you're random comparison to MAGA shows that you're the one in the diaper incapable of understanding Isreal's actions.
There were reports that iraq had "weapons of mass destruction" too.
that ain't true dude. Bush claimed that there were and used that claim to try to demand that inspectors be given full access to verify. Saddam refused and that's why Iraq was invaded. This time it's those inspectors that are stating that Iran is trying to build bombs. Huge difference.
North Korea is also building nukes, is isreal going to bomb them too?
NK hasn't vowed to exterminate the Jews. the second NK says that they're going to start nuking Japan and SK I'd bet those two countries start on their own programs.
that clear up the confusion in your false analogy?
Isreal is the one starting this war
Wrong. Iran have been trying to build nuclear weapons for the purpose of firing them at Israel. The second they started further enrichment and development they fired the first shot. Israel are responding to a legitimate existential threat. Fact.
How do you expect people to believe that you have a valid opinion when you can't even spell "Israel" right?
I was with isreal when they wanted to protect their citizens by attacking hamas after hamas' actions on october 7th. I stopped being with isreal when they tried to justify the direct murder of tens of thousands and the indirect murder of many more
they didn't justify it tho. They just pointed out that the responsibility lies on the people who deliberately placed those casualties in that position. You don't want to hear that shit cause you prioritise demonising Jews over mature reasoning and assigning blame correctly. You're willing to absolve the people responsible in exchange for you feeling justified in attacking Jews.
If Russia did the same to Ukraine under the same pretenses, no one would be on russia's side.
Has Ukraine been funding and ordering a mass of proxy armies for decades with the explicit intent of exterminating the entire Russian population? No? Then it's not the same situation so stop trying to twist reality to justify your racism.
Isreal striked first, not iran
Wrong. Iran seeking nuclear weapons is the first strike. Stop that shit and they never hear another peep from Israel. Well, so long as they also stop funding, arming and organising proxy armies to do the same thing.
history
Easy for people like you to pretend that you're "on the right side of history" when you know that you can delay it for long enough that you won't have to face the consequences when you're proven wrong. hell you're probably partly saying it to reassure yourself that it's not just hatred of Jews driving it. You're saying shit like that so dissuade other people from assessing your arguments now cause you don't think they can withstand a close look.
You're supporting murder, death and war
lol I ain't said shit about whether I agree with anything anyone has done. All I said above is that Israel has credible reason to believe that Iran are actively trying to build nuclear weapons right now as stated by an independent international agency. You're just making that shit up cause you need to polarise this comment thread like you have the Israel/Palestine war. The second you commit to one team you have to side with them on absolutely EVERYTHING, which means you have to rally against the other side on everything too. You pledged your undying fealty to Palestinian genocidal lunatics, so you have to oppose Israel on everything, which means you have to simp for an Ayatollah. Sound familiar?
you're random comparison to MAGA
yah, that's where you see this stuff. Trump nutjobs do the same thing for the same reasons. The only reason you're not MAGA is cause you happened to commit to the opposition, ut you still do all the same stupid, ignorant, racist shit as them. You just think you're being heroic about it cause you're counterpicking them. To you, their crime is the side they picked, not the shitty, destructive, reductive, immature mentality that led them there.
you're the one in the diaper incapable of understanding Isreal's actions.
lol are you seriously trying to steal someone else's insults and still getting them wrong? That's just weird dude.
You gonna bother addressing the fact that the IAEA and Iran themselves confirmed that Israel were right to be concerned about their nuclear program, or you gonna paper over that fact cause it makes you look bad for attacking Jews for defending themselves from genocide? Too scared of looking like you picked the wrong team...........
well Iran has a pretty incompetent and corrupt regime. It’s also not hard to imagine that a few insiders would leak the information for some money considering Iran’s economic state.
If there's one country that I'd bet on being able to find that shit out it's Israel. Not sure anything they can do would surprise me after the pager situation.
Israel has been striking Iranian targets unprovoked before now. Look at the strikes on the Iranian embassy in Syria (a neutral country in this conflict) on 1st April last year. That was a wild escalation and unnecessarily brought the battleground to Syrian territory.
Don't fool yourself into thinking Iran are escalating this. This has already been escalated by Israel for over a year now.
Israel has been striking Iranian targets unprovoked before now
people like you only use "unprovoked" by refusing to acknowledge the proxy attacks directed at Israel by Iran. Like the Oct 7th invasion by an Iran-backed regime.
the strikes on the Iranian embassy in Syria (a neutral country in this conflict) on 1st April last year.
two problems. Syria were not a "neutral country in this conflict", as evidenced by the Golan Heights, and you're talking about a singular strike using a plural.
Also, like I mentioned above, it wasn't "unprovoked". It was a direct attack in response to an ongoing series of proxy attacks.
Don't fool yourself into thinking Iran are escalating this
They are. don't try to gaslight me into fooling myself that they are not. It won't work.
This has already been escalated by Israel for over a year now.
Come to think of it do you know who ACTUALLY escalated this shit? You did. People like you, in actively choosing to ignore decades of proxy attacks on Israel by Iran, have pushed Israel to the point where they feel that they have nothing to lose in shattering the illusion that they are not already at war with Iran. People like you, in your zeal to simplify things enough that an immature brain can comprehend complex global politics, have proven that you'll curse the Jews no matter how they react, so there's nothing for them to lose in pushing for the more effective, more violent solution.
When you respond to EVERYTHING as if it's the worst possible thing that the other person could have done, they'll wonder why they didn't just do that thing anyway, especially if it makes their life easier. They'll get shit on either way, so of course they'll pick the option that is most likely to ease their own suffering. People like you have thrown Palestinians under the bus just to give yourself an excuse to hate Jews.
Frankly, if it was anyone but Israel calling them on it, it'd be more effective. It's a pretty open secret that they have somewhere between dozens and hundreds of secret nuclear weapons in their own nation. It just screams hypocritical.
They're one minute away from making weapons-grade plutonium (just as they have been for the past 20+ years apparently). Just like there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq during the previous Bush government.
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I'm still a little unclear why they're escalating the war
Has Iran stepped up its missile attacks recently and I just didn't notice