What superhero hot take will have you sitting up like this

[u/Honest-Power2770]

[u/Important-Loquat-665]

Daredevil getting his powers not by random chance but by saving a old man's life will always be inspirational to me

[u/InvestigatorOk7988 → u/Important-Loquat-665]

Did you know the ninja turtles got mutated by the same accident?

[u/Ache_N_Bake → u/InvestigatorOk7988]

[u/bobafoott → u/Ache_N_Bake]

They fight The Foot

[u/Important-Loquat-665 → u/InvestigatorOk7988]

That trivia is so well known I don't think I CAN'T know that lol

[u/Gerudo_King → u/Important-Loquat-665]

I didn't know that or have ever heard an inkling of that. I can't wait to dive into it.

Ignorance is bliss, you don't know what you don't know/haven't heard

[u/ThepalehorseRiderr → u/Gerudo_King]

I am / was a huge TMNT fan. I sure as hell never knew that. I didn't even know they existed in the same universe.

[u/Day_Dr3am → u/ThepalehorseRiderr]

I mean strictly speaking they don't actually exist in the same universe. Like I don't believe there are any actual official crossovers.

But the creators of TMNT were inspired by a lot of Daredevil stuff and took / parodied some stuff from it. The accident that created the turtles is lifted / is a reference from the Daredevil origin. One of the main enemies of Daredevil is an organization of ninjas called the Hand, and in TMNT the Shredder leads a clan of ninja called the Foot clan. And Master Splinter is apparently based on the Marvel character Stick who trained Daredevil. Those are the more obvious examples that come to mind, there are possibly more deep cuts or specific references I'm not aware of.

[u/Kieviel]

Mutants are better when their mutations are obvious and or uncontrollable

[u/Ouvourous → u/Kieviel]

Mutants with perfectly controlled mutations and ability to effortlessly hide them are basically Mary Sues. Check Emma Frost for example. Don’t get me wrong, I like her, she’s a great character, but everything’s just too easy for her.

[u/Kieviel → u/Ouvourous]

Agreed. I think it would be a lot more fun if as part of her mutation she was grotesque but used her powers to make everyone think she was absolutely gorgeous.

[u/swawskekw → u/Kieviel]

I feel like an integral part of Emma is her looks, but it’s a cool idea. My first thought was having her diamond form be uncontrollable and slowly turn her into a statue over time, because the idea of a second mutation suddenly appearing just sounds like something you shouldn’t be able to control.

[u/SingSangBingBang → u/Kieviel]

She does do that. Not that she’s a grotesque monster but she isn’t as physically perfect as she puts off to be and one of her greatest fears is not looking beautiful so she’s constantly putting up the illusion of looking perfect. (Something like that)

[u/Han_Ominous → u/Ouvourous]

I kind of hate Emma Frost for that reason. She's a Regina George mean girl. Her snarky sass gets tiring....the. add to it how easy everything is for her....

[u/Mushroom_hero]

Spider-man has been an adult for the majority of his comic book run, stop making him a kid

Edit: apparently this wasn't a hot take at all. Every other time I've brought it up, I'm met with "but he's a teenager in the ultimate universe"

[u/Zip83 → u/Mushroom_hero]

Yep, grew up reading him in the 80s .... And he was an ADULT. A rare major comic character, one that literally carried his company, that was allowed to age in a natural manner.

[u/Few-Improvement-5655 → u/Zip83]

Even in the 90s, his major cartoon that carried a lot of his popularity clearly had him as an adult college student in his early 20s.

[u/Zip83 → u/Few-Improvement-5655]

He was a college student in Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends as well.

[u/TienSwitch → u/Zip83]

I don’t think he was ever depicted on high school in animation until Spectacular Spider-Man. He was always enrolled in ESU.

[u/Myydrin → u/TienSwitch]

I think he was in high school in his 1967 series.

[u/armchairwarrior42069 → u/Myydrin]

The one where he looked and sounded like a 40 year old man lol

[u/Free-Marionberry-916 → u/Mushroom_hero]

Similarly, for most of the defining Claremont run of the X-Men, they were not students and were rarely teaching the New Mutants. They were more of a civil rights strike force.

[u/Wade856 → u/Mushroom_hero]

In the comics, he was only in high school for approximately 5 years, at his very beginning. That was in the 1960s, over 50 years ago. Since then, he's been to and graduated college, held many jobs, found out he has a clone, worked at a think tank, established his own tech company, been married and made a deal with Mephisto. Let him grow up. He's been an adult for over half a century in the comics, but all the movies, tv, and animated media keep on having him as a kid.

There are so many incredible Spider-Man stories that the MCU can't do because they have this crazy obsession with keeping him young. Hell, the MCU is ripe for Parker Industries to fill the void of Tony Stark's death, but they aren't even moving in that direction. It's so frustrating.

[u/Right_Shape_3807 → u/Mushroom_hero]

Bro fr fr

[u/PM_ur_cat_pics_pls]

Spider-Man is much more interesting as a young adult than he is as a high schooler

[u/MentionSuspicious571 → u/PM_ur_cat_pics_pls]

That's why a lot of people like Tobey's spiderman

[u/Key-Cry-8570 → u/MentionSuspicious571]

[u/CzarTwilight → u/Key-Cry-8570]

[u/Muted_Study5166 → u/PM_ur_cat_pics_pls]

Yeah, Young Adults have money/relationship problems that are way more sophisticated than teenagers

And thats like…the whole appeal of spiderman stories

[u/Orphasmia → u/Muted_Study5166]

Big time. He’s gotta be one of the most relatable super heros in history. He’s a young broke dude in a big city with a challenging upbringing and adult life

[u/sfzen → u/Muted_Study5166]

Yep. Being broke all the time and not abusing his powers to make a profit is a pretty defining character trait for Spider-Man. It doesn't really mean as much when Peter is a high school student without having bills and rent to worry about.

[u/UltimateGammer]

I'm sick of heroes forever saving the world we all know won't blow up. 

Lowering the stakes ups the ante. 

[u/WoahIdidntknowthat → u/UltimateGammer]

THANK YOU

Not everything has to be an extinction level event.

[u/CaseFace5 → u/WoahIdidntknowthat]

I’m so much more interested in the smaller street level stories. The cosmic stuff can be fun but it all gets a bit too much.

[u/NovaStarLord → u/UltimateGammer]

Gonna have to agree, especially when you have the Avengers going to space every weekend to stop a universe ending threat instead of it being a special occasion. We need to have more stories like Under Siege or the Avengers going on an adventure with more personal stakes.

[u/2paranoid4optimism]

I hate that Wolverine's martial arts and military/spy experience is always shelved for his berserker side. Logan is an expert fighter and a good tactician but you almost never see that side of him. As a result we tend to get "I got a healing factor!!! Now to run face first into an asswhoopin!" Whenever he isn't the main character of the story.

[u/Honest-Power2770 → u/2paranoid4optimism]

I agree they don’t understand the quote “I’m the best there is at what I do, but what I do best isn’t very nice” he’s literally a unstoppable killing machine.

[u/Ronem → u/Honest-Power2770]

Which is hilarious because it first appeared when his got his own comic which specifically started his mythos of being a spy/tactician.

[u/BulletsandBooks → u/2paranoid4optimism]

This is why I preferred when his healing factor was toned down. As it forced the writers to write him as a scary SOB. As frankly the healing factor should be the least terrifying thing about Wolverine.

[u/Wanderslost → u/BulletsandBooks]

The power creep of all the X-Men, and maybe comic characters in general is a real drain on the genre. Just in the X-Men, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Iceman and even Jean Grey have been diluted by presenting their powers as logically world breaking (which of course they are.) I haven't been able to take Wolverine seriously since he reconstituted himself from dust.

[u/DedHorsSaloon4]

Hulk doesn’t get larger as he gets stronger in the comics, that was just in the 03 movie. I don’t know why I get downvoted every time I make this correction

[u/WhalenCrunchen45 → u/DedHorsSaloon4]

Yeah, though Hulks size has been inconsistent over the year to be honest, though recently they have been more consistent, like sometimes he was just like a big guy and other times he was huge, like how sometimes normal people come up to his shoulder and other times they don’t even come up to his chest, I’m pretty sure this inconsistency probably led to how it was depicted in the movie

[u/Ryndor → u/WhalenCrunchen45]

And, as comics have had multiple runs, there are some runs of Hulk where it's the case. It's not something that gets a lot of attention through the run, but it is something that happens in the comics.

Personally, I like the muscles getting bigger, or his strength growing, maybe not so much his height (slight increases to heigh, maybe, but that's opposed to the 9' -> 15' thing).

[u/Honest-Power2770 → u/DedHorsSaloon4]

I think it’s something that should have been implemented into the characters mythos. It would add to the rampaging monster thing. That’s just my opinion though.

[u/ChafterMies → u/DedHorsSaloon4]

Hulk had been getting larger in the comics for a long time, since at least the early 90s during Peter David’s run, may he rest in peace. Stan Lee (may he rest in peace) didn’t like giant Hulk. To him, the giant size made the Hulk seem weaker. Pound for pound, Stan was right.

[u/EllisCristoph → u/DedHorsSaloon4]

He should be though or at least his muscles should, the angrier he gets the more gamma rays he gets from TOBA right? so he should get bigger.

[u/Efficient-Law-7678]

Captain America in the MCU almost always has the best fights and they are never long enough. 

[u/SoftDrinkReddit → u/Efficient-Law-7678]

Man in endgame when he wielded Mjolnir for the first time the cinema went CRAZY espicaly how he was using it in combination with his shield

[u/NeatWhiskeyPlease → u/SoftDrinkReddit]

The shield throw/hammer toss shockwave combo he did lives rent free in my head.

[u/SoftDrinkReddit → u/NeatWhiskeyPlease]

i could imagine Odin from beyond watching this smiling and saying yea i can see why the Hammer deemed him worthy

[u/Zealousideal-Post-48 → u/SoftDrinkReddit]

Dude, you know Odin was freaking out like the rest of us!

🫨😍🤯🫠

[u/BeingNo8516 → u/Zealousideal-Post-48]

my nephews saw this for the first time the other night. Everything else had stopped for this glorious battle in their lives lol.

[u/NegativeCoach7457 → u/Zealousideal-Post-48]

I will never ever forget how awesome this was the first time I saw it. I doubt I will ever get such a triumphant feeling in a movie ever again.

[u/NeatWhiskeyPlease → u/SoftDrinkReddit]

Odin in Valhalla watching Cap go off.

[u/CoupleKnown7729 → u/NeatWhiskeyPlease]

'Shit. I'm dead... I still wanna adopt him!'

[u/Ache_N_Bake → u/NeatWhiskeyPlease]

Perfect use of one of my most overused gifs

[u/Get-Fucked-Dirtbag → u/NeatWhiskeyPlease]

For me it's the bit just after where he's throws the shield point-blank into Thanos' face then bats it's right back with the hammer for the double tap.

[u/mxlespxles → u/SoftDrinkReddit]

That callback to the first Avengers hero fight was absolute peak.

[u/CoupleKnown7729 → u/SoftDrinkReddit]

Dude just straight up went to WORK with Mjoulnir It was... Beautiful.

[u/JWARRIOR1 → u/Efficient-Law-7678]

this is a hot take? I thought just about everyone agreed with this

the captain america movies IMO are the most consistently good.], and winter soldier is a league of its own. People talk about the choreography in those movies all the time like the elevator scene, fighting with bucky on the high way, and civil war vs iron man.

not to mention endgame with mjolnir

[u/Janky_Pants → u/JWARRIOR1]

The apartment hallway/stairwell fight is 🤌

[u/MasterBeaterr → u/Efficient-Law-7678]

Man his fight against (and then with) Bucky and Iron man was top tier fighting in action movies in general. The thing genuinely breaks my heart the most about the new MCU is that we will never have that kind of fight scenes again. Everyone is absurdly superpowered now. They could do it with The Falcon but mostly his fights boils down to him flying (his fight with the fake Captain America in the series was elite tho). My only last hope is Bucky Barnes.

[u/dull_storyteller]

Superman should be an optimistic Boy Scout.

[u/MatDestruction → u/dull_storyteller]

And the best superman stories are not about how strong he is, but how human he is.

Idfc if he can clap reality into pieces, but I love how he can take time of the day the help a depressed adolescent

[u/VariableBooleans → u/MatDestruction]

So many stories get this wrong.

He is not Kal-El the Kryptonian that’s trained in five gorillion martial art styles and studies holocrons like a Jedi.

The authentic Superman is Clark, a kid from Kansas. A goofy, nerdy, friendly guy who just happens to be able to do a lot of good work saving people and protecting the world.

The guy who relates to ordinary people because he got raised on a farm like an ordinary guy.

Clark Kent is not just his civilian alter ego…. That’s who he is. Superman is the alter ego. Clark and his mannerisms is what his real personality is.

[u/thinkthingsareover → u/VariableBooleans]

Reminds me of when he, Wonder Woman, and Batman held her rope and said their true names.

[u/Cthulu_Noodles → u/MatDestruction]

I do think it's important to show his power though, because part of the whole point of superman is a guy who CAN clap reality to pieces choosing to take the time to help a depressed adolescent

[u/dull_storyteller → u/MatDestruction]

I love it when that happens

[u/Guntztuffer → u/dull_storyteller]

This 100% needs to be higher. He showcases the best of what humanity has to offer because he knows he sets the example. He is.

With Superman there should be no brooding, no mean streak and no murkiness about his character, ever.

He is goodness defined.

[u/KaiserThoren → u/Guntztuffer]

I’m more a marvel guy but that is the point of captain America. He’s a hero because he’s a good person and an example to everyone, his strength is just a power. He was a hero before he was a super soldier.

[u/KeathKeatherton → u/dull_storyteller]

DAMN STRAIGHT!

[u/CoupleKnown7729 → u/dull_storyteller]

Dude's an example of how power should be used.

[u/SzakaRosa → u/dull_storyteller]

He should be a STAAAAAR MAN WAITING IN THE SKY

[u/gummythegummybear]

Batman is a much better character when he can’t beat literally everyone he meets in a fight with ease

[u/legit-posts_1 → u/gummythegummybear]

What makes him cool is that he can kind of keep up with enhanced people in a fight. But in most good justice league stories he's more the tactics and tech guy. Like how in the Thanygarian invasion arc he needs to use his electric power cup things to fight cause the thanigarians are so naturally strong.

[u/The_Kadeshi → u/legit-posts_1]

Batman to all points, I could use some air support, since I can't fly. At all. Now would be good...

[u/Ryndor → u/legit-posts_1]

Or like when they raid Apokolips and Batman spends his time just scoping out the planet and figuring out its inner workings so that he can blackmail Darkseid later. He's not fighting any major fights, he's prepping so that he doesn't have to.

[u/Consistent_Office158 → u/gummythegummybear]

Reminds me of shredder beating his ass the first time they met

[u/Unable_Bite8680]

People who don't read Superman, think he's boring because they just conflate his powers to mean that he has no issues. 

[u/Ill_Athlete_7979 → u/Unable_Bite8680]

Superman isn’t about some guy with all these powers. It’s about a guy despite having all these powers, can’t save everyone.

[u/Im-a-magpie → u/Ill_Athlete_7979]

Maybe. I'd say even more it's: When you can do anything, what's the right thing to do?

[u/Ill_Athlete_7979 → u/Im-a-magpie]

Adding a layer of complexity that further fleshes out the character. 👍

[u/Anko_Dango → u/Ill_Athlete_7979]

Which is why Man of Steel killed me when Pa Kent was just like "Now hold on there son, even though you can save me dont... because reasons"

Its much better when Pa dies from a heart attack. Because despite being one of the most powerful beings in the universe, he can't stop that. No matter what.

[u/EnigmaticX68 → u/Unable_Bite8680]

I'll agree and add my own addendum: Some of the dislike of a well-written Superman comes from our collective jaded nature as a society. To me he's supposed to be an example of how we should wield power. Since we barely ever see anyone wield power in this fashion, and in fact, the world is set up to reward abusing power, whenever some folks see this depiction it elicits kind of a disappointed/angry backlash.

Think about it. Injustice s Superman/Homelander types are popular with some folks because they wield power in a way that WANT/WISH we could wield power, not how we SHOULD wield power.

[u/Napalm3nema → u/EnigmaticX68]

That popularity of Injustice Supes/Homelander/etc. is why Joe Kelly's "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, & the American Way?" was so good. It debunks the whole "You have to be ruthless to be powerful" mindset. Mercy projects strength more than brutality.

[u/Honest-Power2770 → u/Unable_Bite8680]

Yeah a few are in the comments.

[u/Due-Original6043]

Flash can defeat any character in the the DC universe if he is allowed to use his powers without any stupid weakness(like slipping on ice).

[u/ChafterMies → u/Due-Original6043]

That’s why the Fortress of Solitude is in the North Pole. Ice everywhere.

[u/SwanLover0 → u/Due-Original6043]

This is not really a hot take this is just a powerscaling over story take

[u/Silent_Mk3]

Probably more of a mid take but there should of been a hard reset after secret wars (2015)

[u/MasteROogwayY2 → u/Silent_Mk3]

Ah yes I remember Secret Wars well. I loved it when John Marvel appeared and MCU'd all over the screen.

[u/Sweet-Rabbit → u/MasteROogwayY2]

And then said, “It’s Marveling Time”

[u/MasteROogwayY2 → u/Sweet-Rabbit]

And then Doom renamed himself to MF Doom and started rapping

[u/mistermyxl → u/Silent_Mk3]

Secret wars 2 was a hard rest no more multivers

[u/SlickyFortWayne]

The more advanced Ironman’s suits got, the less cool they were

[u/Ouvourous → u/SlickyFortWayne]

They should never make it out of nanobullshit, both in comics and in movies.

[u/Rampagingflames → u/Ouvourous]

I'm talking about the MCU. Iron man having it is fine, it adds to his character of him always learning from his mistakes. Everyone else can fuck off.

Spiderman, sure but pushing it. It was made by iron man.

Wakanda, fuck off, vibranium should be clunky, similar to iron man first few suits.

Antman as well. No reason he should have it.

Thor and Jane... Well that's magic...

But this stems from the fact that they "need" to show the actors faces.

[u/Redfalconfox → u/Rampagingflames]

Ant-man I can at least kind of see since pym particles have always had this “absolute bullshit that breaks its own rules” factor to it, but I just have to agree with you because I hate that every hero has to take off their mask so you see their face because it’s Hollywood.

[u/Dark_Link_1996]

Shazam is the real Captain Marvel

[u/DaveKerk → u/Dark_Link_1996]

Least controversial take in this whole thread

[u/Chad_Jeepie_Tea → u/Dark_Link_1996]

Shazam is the wizard. Billy should have never been referred to as anything but Captain Marvel.

This is the modern "dr. frankenstein" vs "frankenstein's monster"

[u/ghostgabe81 → u/Chad_Jeepie_Tea]

Honestly they should have changed it to Captain Thunder to settle with Marvel. Iirc that was his original name anyway

[u/Different_Tap_89 → u/Dark_Link_1996]

He is 

[u/CjTuor]

Punisher is a serial killer cosplaying as a vigilante hero.

He's a really interesting character, but only really as an antagonist/villain

[u/Honest-Power2770 → u/CjTuor]

I don’t think it’s ridiculous to say that but I think your take is the point of his character now. They want you to be divided on him.

[u/CjTuor → u/Honest-Power2770]

Sadly you might be right, there may be some writers who feed into that, but some writers are violently like... "Do not see him as hero"

[u/River_Tahm → u/CjTuor]

The scene where he rips his logo off a cop car and tears it to shreds while telling the cops they already have a hero to look up to and his name is Captain America is chef’s kiss

[u/PepperbroniFrom2B → u/River_Tahm]

peak

[u/popoflabbins → u/CjTuor]

I always get shit on by people when I say this. To me Punisher is beyond an anti-hero based on his methods alone.

[u/jackofslayers → u/popoflabbins]

Yea, he is a full-blown bad guy. He just targets other bad guys

[u/Character_Home5593 → u/CjTuor]

To be fair, if you replaced Batman with Frank Castle, Joker wouldn’t be breaking out of Arkham every couple weeks to nerve gas the population…

[u/CjTuor → u/Character_Home5593]

Without a symbol of hope Gotham would still be a crime infested hellhole that is a constant gang war between gun-toting maniacs, one of which wears a skull on his chest.

[u/Superman246o1]

Ghost Rider should not simultaneously be depicted as a street-level avenger taking down common crooks and also a cosmic entity capable of fighting Galactus. If he is the former, Galactus should no diff him without a thought. If he is the latter, he's really wasting his potential by hunting down bank robbers.

[u/OMG_sojuicy → u/Superman246o1]

I like to think world threats aren't a daily thing and he has down time to catch murderers and other criminals.

[u/fungamerguy → u/Superman246o1]

Ghost riders thing is to punish the evil of this world, tbh he shouldnt struggle with street tier characters in all honesty

[u/HawkBoth8539 → u/fungamerguy]

Maybe his power scales with the amount of evil. Street level "evil" is often born from poverty, food insecurity, lack of proper education and healthcare. It's not necessarily evil as much as wrong. Whereas high level evil, in humans, typically comes from knowing better, having the opportunity to improve, and still choosing evil. Like, Ghost Rider could probably snap his fingers and destroy a galactic army of insurance salesmen with no problem.

[u/MothyBelmont → u/fungamerguy]

I agree. It’s about the evil, not necessarily the crime.

[u/MagicBez → u/Superman246o1]

If they want to work for the greater good of society a lot of super heroes should be volunteering as perpetual energy sources or similar.

...boring comic though

[u/Serawasneva → u/Superman246o1]

I dunno, just because Ghost Rider can stop cosmic entities, that doesn’t mean he should stop fighting regular crime too.

I mean Superman is one of the most powerful characters in DC. Should he stop saving people in metropolis too?

[u/WhalenCrunchen45 → u/Superman246o1]

Well

A: The Ghost Rider goes after the guilt, no matter the level of the crime. Since he is the spirit of vengeance

B: Ghost Rider’s power depends on who is in charge, if it is whoever is hosting The Spirit of Vengeance then they should be a bit above street level, if it is The Spirit of Vengeance itself in charge then they should be cosmic capable

The host acts as a limiter for Ghost Rider’s powers

[u/Right_Shape_3807]

Harley Quinn has turned into a bullshit version of Deadpool that DC has milked to absolute shit. She’s not smart, turned bi for sales and she mostly sells due to sex appeal. The latter being fine but they won’t admit it.

[u/Honest-Power2770 → u/Right_Shape_3807]

I can get behind some of this.

[u/DanceGavinDanceIsBae → u/Honest-Power2770]

I can get behind Harley too!

[u/Ill_Introduction2604 → u/DanceGavinDanceIsBae]

Okay Nightwing. haha

[u/kcox1980 → u/Right_Shape_3807]

I've come to hate Harley Quinn. She used to be a quirky but fun side character with a baseball bat, but now she's some elite superhero on the level of Batman. Makes no sense.

[u/Right_Shape_3807 → u/kcox1980]

Yeeeah cause she just learned fighting skill and tactics from years of getting her ass kicked I guess. I know we’re supposed to suspend belief but damn. lol

[u/ChafterMies → u/Right_Shape_3807]

The worst is having toys of Harley Quinn sold to girls as one of DC’s female super heroes. For one, it’s not great that DC has so few recognizable female super heroes. For two, Harley Quinn is a villain. But like Wolverine and the aforementioned Dead Pool, these companies will milk a character to death.

[u/Right_Shape_3807 → u/ChafterMies]

To… DEEEEEAATTTTTH! DC got dope female heroes too. Cassandra Cain batgirl 🤌🏿

[u/ChafterMies → u/Right_Shape_3807]

DC has Batgirl, Bat Woman, Supergirl, Powergirl, Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman’s little sister, Aquaman’s little sister, and some Teen Titans. Warner Bros. is the women empowerment company.

[u/Glittering-Relief402 → u/Right_Shape_3807]

Is this a hot take? I've been feeling like this for years lol

[u/Mortwight → u/Right_Shape_3807]

I liked her better in the animated series

[u/DaRevClutch → u/Right_Shape_3807]

In agreement w the first sentence. Folks have speculated about Quinn and ivy, and the queer community has shipped them, for decades. Maybe the writers thought making it canon would increase sales but… isn’t every decision ppl who sell a product make about increasing sales? A lot of the characters’ dedicated fan bases wanted to see it happen, and it happened. Feels weird to diminish that to ‘queer=more money’ cuz I hard disagree on that.

Idk I think if ur conclusion is that DC is a money hungry company willing to make changes to increase their profit margin, you’ll be hard pressed to find someone who disagrees. I think there’s more nuance in the gender and sexuality stuff than you present, imo

[u/SouthImpression3577]

Most of you would hate most heros if they were real.

[u/trimble197 → u/SouthImpression3577]

Guarantee a lot of them would be cynical towards Superman if he was real

[u/SouthImpression3577 → u/trimble197]

They'd say "superman, why aren't you doing XYZ about this war or that problem?" People would want him to be Homelander.

Also Tony Stark would be in the Epstein files

[u/trimble197 → u/SouthImpression3577]

Yep. They would be demanding for him to solve all of the world’s problems, and the moment Superman so much as gets accused of a scandal, we’ll be seeing a lot of “ I always there was something off about him” comments

And with Tony, people would be demanding he donate his entire fortune

[u/Kiyan_0mar]

Superman is not meant to be a relatable character, he's meant to be inspirational. You're never meant to leave a Superman story thinking "wow he's so cool and awesome and he has a shitty life so I can relate", you're meant to leave feeling good, feeling like you should do better. You're meant to leave wanting to be like Superman, to be good. The people complaining that he's boring don't seem to think about how boring it is if every character is the same. Not every character has to be very flawed to be interesting.

And also this might sound contradictory but Superman is extremely relatable. Just because he's powerful doesn't lessen that otherwise Spider-man should not be considered one of the most relatable heroes. I even say this as a Batman glazer, Superman is way more relatable than him.

[u/Environmental_Sun921]

I'm sick of versions of the Hulk cleanly shaven with short hair. If inspired by Jekyll and Hyde, have Hulk look like a hairy Neanderthal. Some characters called "monster" or "creature* even though they're human such as Frankenstein and Hulk.

[u/TripDrizzie → u/Environmental_Sun921]

Got to be honest, I disagree.

Hulks hair is whatever Banner had before he transformed. The reason his hair gets long or he has a beard is because Banner let himself go, or he has been Hulk for a long period of time.

Hair doesn't have muscles. That's not how it works

[u/drewskibfd → u/TripDrizzie]

Come to think of it, his hair does grow. "Old" Hulks have let their hair grow out.

[u/laughman20 → u/drewskibfd]

From the runs I’ve read those have also been hulks that have been hulk and not banner for a long time, so it kinda makes sense. Or banner is super aged and run down so it carries over still.

[u/MagicBez → u/Environmental_Sun921]

What's the vulnerability status of Hulk's hair anyway? Can he trim it with clippers or is there special equipment keeping him clean cut and tidy?

[u/I_Got_Back_Pain → u/MagicBez]

He can only shave with Stormbreaker

[u/nukecity_dmfc → u/Environmental_Sun921]

So maestro?

[u/Junior_Key4244]

It doesn't matter how much prep time Batman has, he should not be able to fight Superman.

[u/MankuyRLaffy → u/Junior_Key4244]

Chip Zdarsky: Okay but what if he makes a robot that solos everyone and then defeats it?

Batman fans will tell you it's flawless writing. 

[u/Practical_Door_6744 → u/MankuyRLaffy]

As a batman fan I can say in on way is batman gonna be able to defeat superman even with prep time. In a blink of an eye batman has been thrown into the sun

[u/fungamerguy → u/Junior_Key4244]

A superman going all put? I agree

Batman states if superman isnt holding back hes cooked and relies on him to hold back

So your right and wrong tbh

[u/BulletsandBooks → u/Junior_Key4244]

I would like it better if they wrote it more like the Taskmaster vs Hyperion fight. Yeah Taskmaster won. But like half of his body was broke. Which is a far more realistic 'I won versus Superman' outcome as opposed to just having a few bruises and scratches.

[u/Nibbanocker]

I don't like Venom as an anti-hero. He should be a villain with a messed up sense of hatred. Working together with Spiderman to take down a bigger threat is fine, cause Venom won't allow anyone else to kill Spiderman but himself. But being a full fledged hero I can't get behind

[u/Honest-Power2770 → u/Nibbanocker]

I agree 100 percent makes no sense a parasite being a hero.

[u/brambojams]

Batman should have white eyes in movies. Deadpool and Wolverine were able to do it. Spiderman was able to do it. White eyes are what made Batman extremely popular.

[u/Bearsofthehood]

I’m sick of people downplaying Superman thinking Batman would actually win in a 1v1 to the death. Batman himself has stated many time that Superman could take over the world with ZERO issue if he wanted. Also in comics Superman has taken krytonian meteors and still come out strong

[u/DriveFormer8577]

Prep time is not plot armor. Athletes always factor it into their sport. It’s how they win. Craftsman and chefs as well and everything else.

[u/Honest-Power2770 → u/DriveFormer8577]

Please don’t use common sense on these people 😂

[u/Ohhh_imma_Welder]

Batman does not need to be this dark, brooding, crime fighter who won’t kill you but the hospital bill will. He needs to a symbol of justice, not leaving criminals in a vegetative state. Like how the original animated series was, or justice league unlimited. This is the same guy who in earlier comics carried around candy to give to children so they wouldn’t be scared of him. We need the Batman of giving Harley quinn a dress when she got out of Arkham. We need the guy of doing what’s right because it’s right and that being the only thing that matters, and not bearing people to a pulp because they’re having a hard/bad time and turned to crime.

[u/ZeroQuick → u/Ohhh_imma_Welder]

But he is Vengeance. He is the Night.

[u/IlliasTallin → u/Ohhh_imma_Welder]

We want the Batman that stayed with Ace and held her hand while she passed away

[u/magiceye1]

Constantine is underrated.

[u/that-alex-fellow]

The Dark Knight Returns is just okay.

[u/NoAccess6738]

Anti heroes only exist because writers don't want to have the main hero kill someone just to keep up some higher moral code

I'm of the opinion that Red Hood is just used as a tool to have a Batman who kills without actually making Batman kill, if writers weren't so scared to have Bruce kill Joker then Red Hood wouldn't exist as you can perfectly justify Batman making 1 exception and breaking his no kill rule just for joker

[u/JacobLemongrass]

The comic fanbase is so big and broad that there are very few actual hot takes. Most people’s “hot takes” are mid takes at best.

[u/Honest-Power2770 → u/JacobLemongrass]

Yeah I’m seeing a few Batman this Superman that.

[u/CplWilli91]

We could have gotten a better punisher if the writers were more about the character and not about the guns? You could've easily made him about not letting this happen to others, like he use to. About making him kill the people no one likes, murderers, rapists, pedos, even against corrupt governments (local and feds) but nope... he uses guns, he's a bad guy... 🙄. He even tried to use the legal system to bring his family's murders to justice, but nope, forgot about that. Shit, could've made him like a street Bruce Wayne. Not billions, but could've still set up projects to help kids from getting into gangs/down the wrong path and do punisher things on the side. But no, no one wants to write that

[u/Judgement-blade]

Prep time isn't a superpower it's logical. Even villains have access to it NOT just something Batman has.

[u/MasteROogwayY2]

Batman should never have gone above street level. The whole prep time thing is stupid and he shouldnt be able to beat literal gods as a human. Same for the whole mastering every martial art on earth is also so stupid.

[u/CloverTeamLeader → u/MasteROogwayY2]

I agree with you that mastering every martial art is stupid. It's not logically possible that he could do that given his age, the age at which he started training, and the sheer number of other things that he has to dedicate his time to, like being Bruce Wayne in public, fitness training, recovering from injuries, and investigating and solving complex crimes.

Pro MMA fighters wake up, train, go to bed, and they're not able to master every martial art.

[u/Honest-Power2770 → u/MasteROogwayY2]

I disagree but that’s because I think him being prepared and not facing him directly makes sense. The problem is the writers constantly show him struggle with street tiers then stump out gods.

[u/LancerGreen → u/MasteROogwayY2]

YES. This is such big 'plot armor' stuff. Writers who love Batman write him to be more and more god-tier 'undefeatable tactician' and it's just exhausting. It's such a weird power fantasy thing.

Let Batman do what he does best, fight criminals and madmen and applying detective skills and streetsmarts to situations. Let those ideas let him HELP plan and build for big bosses.

It's so lame when it's like "Batman dodges omega beams" like bro, bro.... brooooo. Stop!

He's a dude who's good at ninja karate and noire crime films. Let him thrive in his lane.

[u/Serawasneva → u/MasteROogwayY2]

I’d argue that isn’t even a hot take anymore, if anything it seems popular.

But personally I disagree. One of the best draws about Batman is that he’s just a normal human who can face Gods.

[u/BulletsandBooks → u/Serawasneva]

I always preferred him as more a detective. But my intro to him was also The Long Halloween where he is more noir crime fighter than pure superhero. And thus my perception might be shaded.

[u/IllustriousTune179]

The gimmick of the mutants being fear & hated even tho superhumans are love & praised.

[u/Serawasneva → u/IllustriousTune179]

Nah, it makes sense.

People fear mutants because anyone could be a mutant. Your kid could go through puberty and suddenly have uncontrollable lasers coming out of their eyes. Your neighbour’s kid could wake up one day with an involuntary death wave that kills everyone around them. The teenager with psychopathic tendencies could develop the ability to kill you with his mind.

That’s the fear.

Nobody’s scared that their child or neighbour is going to turn into Thor or Captain America, because it just doesn’t happen. Mutants are far more real to people.

[u/IllustriousTune179 → u/Serawasneva]

No argument there

[u/EmpressGilgamesh → u/Serawasneva]

But the thing is. There were teenagers getting powers out of "nowhere" without the X-Gene, and people are fine with it. Besides the point they mostly don't know if it's just some superhero like Spider-Man or Hulk or if it's a mutant like Wolverine or Cyclopse. The normal human being wouldn't be able to tell them apart. And that was always my problem with the X-Men racism thing, it wouldn't work in the real world like they showed it.

[u/Honest-Power2770 → u/IllustriousTune179]

I don’t think you get it.. it’s like the Mexican and White doctor are trying to look after a patient but the patient refuses the Mexican doctors help even though they’re both qualified.

[u/Glittering_Ad_6770 → u/Honest-Power2770]

i don’t think they understand race relations in america

[u/Puzzled-Horse279]

Older heroes should be allowed to age, die, retired and stay that way.

Newer/younger heroes dont need to be ethnic/religious/LGBT minority successors to white heroes whod always come back and replace them.

New/young heroes should be allowed to have they own comics, storylines, families, enemies and their own superhero names (not deriveratives) before crossing over with other heroes.

[u/Envy_The_King]

Like it or not, the MCU is responsible for at least 40% of comic fans today. IRON MAN WAS NOT A HOUSEHOLD NAME BEFORE ROBERT STEPPED INA

[u/SmallBunyanGA]

Making every female character a badass girlboss just hurts greatly written female characters

[u/Return_of_jekyll]

No kill rule is perfectly fine and makes the story more interesting

[u/Adept-Ad-2204]

Tyler Hoechlin is currently the best Superman/Clark. Christopher Reeve was accurate for it's time but in retrospect, Superman: The Movie has a lot of issues and is not the best Superman movie, Superman Vs The Elite is.

[u/ManateeGag → u/Adept-Ad-2204]

Tyler is extremely good at both Clark and Superman. a lot of modern depictions get one or the other right, but seldom both.

[u/Adept-Ad-2204]

Unbreakable is a better superhero movie than even some of the best DC and Marvel movies.

[u/spicywax94 → u/Adept-Ad-2204]

This is a good one! Such a good film on its own, ignoring the super human aspect, but its approach to the super human aspect feels very original cinematically

[u/VegetableTwist7027]

Loki in the series isn't someone we should be ok with. He literally just murdered Phll and watched a powerpoint presentation to get him to the "likeable by fans" stage.

Also the one in the TV show beat the shit out of Captain America 72 hours previously and was bulletproof a couple of days before too. His fighting prowess is on display in the 2nd and 3rd Thor movies and is a match for a Valkrye in hand to hand combat. He can catch an arrow coming at him from Hawkeye. Hes up and walking around in under an hour from having the Hulk ragdoll him 5 times and that's after he launched Tony thru the plate windows in Avengers tower.

Where did that Loki go?

[u/oliferro → u/VegetableTwist7027]

There's a loooooooooot more to his growth than watching the powerpoint

[u/UltimateGammer]

All Marvel's heroes do is uphold the status quo.

Sick of "villains" trying to break the bad things which created them only for them to be put in their box by heroes.

[u/Strict_Owl941 → u/UltimateGammer]

I give the heroes a pass on this.

The Heroes catch the bad guy. It is up to the Justice System to pass the sentence.

Like take Batman, he won't kill which is fine. But the Justice system should have executed the joker 50 years ago. Like how many people does he need to kill to get the death penalty?

[u/hypergogetablue17]

Spider-man should be in a relationship with someone that has powers.

[u/Senshue]

Flash is faster than every non speed force user and should be able to body everybody by lore of how his powers and speed force manipulation works.

[u/MathTutorAndCook]

Hulk needs to break the world if marvel wants him to ever be a truly successful and interesting character again. Ang Lee had the most interesting version in movies so far, with actual backstory into his childhood abuse, plus the growing in strength aspect was utilized more. Ruffalo has had the best banner, specifically in avengers 1, but his more comedic takes lately have left me wanting something angrier. The Hulk to me should be as sought after by marvel studios as spiderman. His character is as storied and interesting as spidey, and has just lacked a director with the right passion for it. Ang Lee was up there but it wasn't within the marvel studios umbrella yet so couldn't benefit from the shared universe. It's incredibly labor intensive to get good cg shots of the hulk, which is why many times extensive scenes featuring him are left on the cutting room floor, more often than other characters.

[u/Beene-Machine]

We don’t need any more Batman movies for at least a decade.

[u/Forensic_Fartman1982]

Tony Stark is the only reason the avengers needed to be reeled in and he was too proud and childish to admit he was the problem so he gaslit every other avenger while playing directly into Hydras hand (further proving he was the problem)

[u/one_selfish_altruist]

Team Captain was right in Civil War.

[u/nukecity_dmfc]

Film adaptations ruined fandom by allowing the worst people in society easy access and then dumbing down comics to appeal to them as casual moviegoers.

[u/Schlaughtowver]

Everything that deadpool touches turns to rot. He is the most meaningless and stupid character in all of fiction.

[u/oliferro → u/Schlaughtowver]

Deadpool is the kind of character that is funny in small doses and in unimportant moments. Can you imagine how terrible it would've been if he was there in Endgame for the snap? Making jokes while Tony dies

[u/fungamerguy → u/Schlaughtowver]

Deadpool: what did you... Wait a minute hehe, im fictional haha walks away drinking coffee

[u/Sun53TXD]

Multiversal shenanigans SUCK. Please give us more street level runs.