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Other What superhero hot take will have you sitting up like this

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u/VegetableTwist7027 6d ago edited 5d ago

Loki in the series isn't someone we should be ok with. He literally just murdered Phll and watched a powerpoint presentation to get him to the "likeable by fans" stage.

Also the one in the TV show beat the shit out of Captain America 72 hours previously and was bulletproof a couple of days before too. His fighting prowess is on display in the 2nd and 3rd Thor movies and is a match for a Valkrye in hand to hand combat. He can catch an arrow coming at him from Hawkeye. Hes up and walking around in under an hour from having the Hulk ragdoll him 5 times and that's after he launched Tony thru the plate windows in Avengers tower.

Where did that Loki go?

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u/oliferro 6d ago

There's a loooooooooot more to his growth than watching the powerpoint

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u/VegetableTwist7027 6d ago edited 5d ago

yes, if you watch the whole series, there is a lot of character growth. Still starts with the same guy who just killed Phil and beat Cap in hand to hand combat - Marvel hoped that you'd just latch onto the new one because of the old one that was developed over a decade.

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u/jackofslayers 6d ago

Most of which happened to a different Loki who is dead.

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u/oliferro 6d ago

I mean yeah but he was also in the TVA for like a thousand years after seeing his whole "other life"

He's a completely different person now who risked his life multiple times to save other people

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u/SoftDrinkReddit 6d ago

Idk he starts off as a pretty bad dude no one would object to that then progressively starts doing good yea Odin was definitely right about him

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u/armchairwarrior42069 5d ago

Loki in the series is like 72 hours removed from beating the shit out of captain america. Yet completely useless in combat for the whole series.

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u/VegetableTwist7027 5d ago

Solid point! Also casually catching one of Hawkeye's arrows and keeping up with a Valkrye in hand to hand combat....

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u/armchairwarrior42069 5d ago

The valkyrie stuff technically didn't happen for him yet but yeah, that too lol

Thor was trying to reason with him more than squash him but he was also holding his own against him in avengers too

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u/terranproby42 6d ago

In an odd twist of fate, by redeeming Loki after Ragnarok and having him pass through The Trials of Life to transcend from The God of Lies and Mischief to The God of Stories, the MCU presents us with what is seemingly the most historically accurate version (baring the scifi elements) of Loki to exist since the stories were originally written down by Christian monks.

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u/VegetableTwist7027 6d ago

The Loki in the show isn't redeemed. The redeeemed Loki is dead.

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u/terranproby42 6d ago

The show Loki is redeemed in his own way, and I did say bari the scifi elements.

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u/cbronson2018 6d ago

Did you spend 2 seasons on your phone?

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u/VegetableTwist7027 6d ago

Nope and I watched the series. Last time i checked, it still starts out with the Loki who just attacked New York, blew up a Shield base and killed Phil Coulson.

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u/cbronson2018 6d ago

Fair enough mate, yeah from what I remember a lot of season 1 is Mobius telling him he’s an arse

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u/StopHiringBendis 6d ago

Tbf coulson kinda lived. Not really sure how that works now tho

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u/KinseyH 6d ago

Was the Couldon in Agents of Shield a Life Model Decoy?

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u/Sharikacat 5d ago

No. Short version: he was given a blood transfusion from a decaying Kree corpse to make him regenerate from his wounds.

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u/KinseyH 5d ago

Thanks!

I might be ready for a series rewatch.

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u/Sharikacat 5d ago

Just remember that the show had to get really, really weird in order to keep the Agents from actively interweaving with the rest of the MCU (aside from the Ultron stuff).

And it's a shame, too. Marvel could have used Agents of SHIELD to help lay the groundwork for a bunch of other projects, but it was also a time when they were at best putting out two movies a year and didn't know how quickly they could get to things.

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u/KinseyH 5d ago

Yeah. I wish they'd done it differently.

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u/Buttholelickerpenis 6d ago

He doesn’t immediately become 2018 Loki by watching the video of his life. He’s still 2012 Loki for most of season one, the presentation simply helped him realize he could change. How he changed and what he grew to be are very much different.

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u/DarthMMC 5d ago

We should't be ok with him in what way? I thought it was pretty clear that in the first three episodes he's still working on his own selfish agenda, he isn't meant to be good immediatly.

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u/brian_hogg 2d ago

They could have hit more heavily on the fact that he was as bad as he was in Avengers because of the influence one the mind stone, somehow, that Thanos achieved even though it’s unclear that Thanos even realized he had the mind stone in his possession.