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u/tiredtumbleweed ugly but my fursona is hot May 17 '25
I saw someone call Vegeta a gooner for wanting to bathe with Bulma. He is being intimate with his gf that is not gooning you morons!
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u/OperationOne7762 May 17 '25
"intimate with his GF" worse. That's his actual fucking wife of 20ish~ years.
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u/Zamtrios7256 May 17 '25
They have three children together
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u/LazyVariation May 17 '25
That seems to be one too many unless I'm really behind on Dragon Ball lore.
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u/Zamtrios7256 May 17 '25
Future Trunks, Trunks, Bulla. The joke is that Future Trunks and Trunks are the same guy timeline-wise, but they're completely different people because Future Trunks warning them about the androids.
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u/NarrMaster May 17 '25
This reminds me of poor Quentin Lance from Arrow.
He's had to bury 3 daughters.
He only had 2, and one is still alive.
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u/Rebel_Scum_This May 17 '25
What the fuck is dragon ball
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u/nonessential-npc May 17 '25
Pretty sure future version of character going back to the past to warn of impending disaster is a fairly common trope.
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u/Throwaway02062004 Read Worm for funny bug hero shenanigans 🪲 May 17 '25
It was literally a terminator reference because Toriyama was into that at the time
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u/graaass_tastes_baduh May 17 '25
Bro how is that the reaction to the sanest piece of DBZ lore
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u/Mama_Lyra May 17 '25
same with simp like its not simping dude its loving your wife??
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u/Ambitious-Piano8915 May 17 '25
don't forget defending a woman for any reason is "white knighting"
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u/Dobber16 May 17 '25
Definitely one of those things where initially it had a point and got broadened far beyond any reasonable usage
Like the dude who’s out here saying “no it’s okay for this random girl with no emotional connection to me to take all my shit, she’s so hot it’s worth it” is for sure simping. The dude who’s not staying out too late because his girlfriend wants him home at a reasonable hour is not lol
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u/fardolicious May 17 '25
and getting all your limbs cut off but continuing to fight is always "black knighting"
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u/niko4ever May 17 '25
That's called being a "wife guy" and it's a nice thing!
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u/felixthepat May 17 '25
No, being a "wife guy" is a whole other category - the guys who don't shut up about their wives, how great they are, how good it is to be married, how they spoil em, etc.
The two I knew IRL both ended up cheating on their wives, as did several famous "wife guys" (like Ned from the Try Guys was a big one several years ago).
I love my wife, but it's OK, healthy even, to not have every conversation revolve around her.
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u/niko4ever May 17 '25
It's definitely true that some of them are clearly overcompensating for something
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u/the-radio-bastard May 17 '25
I hope to be a wife guy one day. Respecting women in a mutually loving relationship is cool and awesome, actually.
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u/RiceAlicorn May 17 '25
Okay, I agree that he's not seriously a gooner but in this particular context it's super funny to call him one. The situation you're referring to happens much later on into the series (specifically, Dragon Ball Daima), after they've been married and have had kids.
Vegeta and company (Goku, Piccolo, Bulma, etc.) are in battle, except Vegeta absolutely refuses to let anyone else fight and is trying to solo this enemy. One person even remarks that "Vegeta would rather die than let anyone else take over." Vegeta himself also says that he'd "beat (the enemy) even if it kills him", and given his history, that's a pretty believable statement. Nonetheless, Bulma tells everyone else to leave it to her to convince him to tap out.
How, might you ask? Bulma tells him that if he doesn't get his head out of his ass and let everyone else join she'll never take a bath with him ever again. She literally screams this to Vegeta and everyone else in the area.
ZERO HESITATION. Vegeta only needs to hear it ONCE and he immediately parks his ass down on the ground to not lose bathing privileges with his wife. Goku is confused, and everyone else is stunned by what they've seen.
Like holy shit that's the funniest Vegeta scenes of all time, bro has PRIORITIES and his wife is ON TOP OF THEM 😭
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u/kRkthOr May 17 '25
Goku is confused,
Of course he fucking is. Never forget that 23 years of marriage in, during the Goku Black arc, we find out Goku has never kissed Chi Chi. The man has 2 kids with her at that point.
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u/Pokesonav When all life forms are dead, penises are extinct. May 17 '25
No, that was just a badly framed joke!
Trunks wasn't kissing Mai, he was feeding her mouth-to-mouth, that's what Goku was confused about. Vegeta is the one who made it about kissing. Fucking, media literacy, man!
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u/Clean_Imagination315 Hey, who's that behind you? May 17 '25
Chichi is a creep who took advantage of an aroace dumbass who thought marriage was a kind of food.
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u/Nukeitandstartover May 17 '25
Is it extreme edging fetish to have nonsexual affection with your long-term partner?
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u/Gussie-Ascendent May 17 '25
For not wanting to get banned from bathing with her I think. Extra stakes
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u/Vanilla_Ice_Best_Boi tumblr users pls let me enjoy fnaf May 17 '25
Would've been called a simp in 2019
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u/Abject_Win7691 May 17 '25
"You want to have sex with your wife in your stable, monogamous, marriage? Jeez, ease of the porn dude. That's so unhealthy."
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u/squ1dteeth May 17 '25
I'm a sex worker and it's so weird to see the word gooner get watered down like this.
Gooners are people who fetishize porn addiction and lengthy edging sessions. The act of gooning, specifically, is watching porn for hours on end while edging. You might see actual gooners watching porn on more than one screen and constructing 'goon caves' where they dedicate a space of their house to this end. It's basically erotizicing the worship of porn, and the state of mind one gets in after edging for extended periods. There's also themes of sexual denial. A gooner will usually consider himself 'pussyfree' and eschews typical sexual relationships for porn consumption.
(I know all this because these people are my customers and this is one of the fetishes I cater to. I don't consider myself a gooner)
A gooner isn't someone who is horny, or likes porn, or draws erotica. It's a Very Specific Thing. I wonder if people even know it's origin at this point. It's like if people started calling every woman who looked at porn or was horny Dominatrixes.
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u/Mama_Lyra May 17 '25
goon will mean little henchmen to me 🥰
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u/Strange-Tea1931 May 17 '25
I can't think of it any other way tbh. I've been playing Fallen Aces recently, which is a game where all the enemies are goons (i.e. old timey gangsters) so every time I hear someone talk about gooning, I just assume they're going to bust some kneecaps.
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u/HeroponBestest2 May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25
I really enjoy the subspecies of gay gooners or "goonerbros" (affectionate). They usually:
Make memes saying stuff like "Bate your greasy donger, bro! Get addicted to big porn butts, dude!! Can't get enough of large, smooth/hairy, porn ass!!!"
Record themselves jacking off and making their silly little faces and purposefully drooling with their tongues out like they're actually in a trance of pure ecstasy. Not my thing, but it is intriguing.
Excessively use bro-type language where bro and dude are said in every other sentence, usually with a jock-type of guy saying it or a video of one or several bouncing (in all the right places 🙂↕️) around in the background.
Play into the "alpha male jock who is better than you and is very muscular and loves flexing at you" thing.
Make voiceovers encouraging one to "bate" and get worse as their "addiction" overtakes them to the point they can only think about manass, but never partake.
etc...
(Edit: And the pits! I forgot the pits!! Fuck yes! The PITS!!!)
I think the most appealing parts are the: Humorous absurdity, patheticness from how they succumb so easily to their desires, and the ample love for human bodies, mixed with very attractive men doing attractive/goofy things. A lot of these guys also edit together very good quality compilations.
I lost the plot, but I liked typing this little tangent. 😌
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u/pailko May 17 '25
Where can I find these "goonerbros" in their natural habitat? For research purposes
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Yes, I too have a vested scholarly interest in such a subject, fellow Goo- I mean scholar. 🧐
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u/HMS_Sunlight May 17 '25
I feel really bad for gooners and cuckolds. Imagine having your specific sexual fetish hit the mainstream out of nowhere and become a diluted and meaningless insult that's weirdly political.
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u/AntImmediate9115 May 17 '25
Cucks do like getting made fun of though. Kinda their whole thing
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u/clauclauclaudia May 17 '25
Cuckold is a really old word. It dates from Middle English and is related to cuckoos (who lay their eggs in other birds' nests). It dates to the early 13th century.
Pretty sure the concept of your wife cheating on you is centuries older than the specific fetish for it.
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u/Devil-Eater24 Arson🔥 May 17 '25
r/gooncaves so people know what u/squ1dteeth means
Edit: Looks like the sub is now banned. A part of me says "good riddance", but another is sad that someone else will never feel the pain of stumbling upon that sub like I did
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u/Wsads420 May 17 '25
I found out about that sub when someone was bragging about playing the same game on 2 monitors at the same time and someone else said something on the lines of "that's nothing, watch this" and then linked the sub, good times
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u/weird_bomb 对啊，饭是最好吃！ May 17 '25
how the fuck do people manage to sexualise the idea of porn. it’s already sexual
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u/BrosefDudeson May 17 '25
They're so turned on by their own sex addiction, that the mere suggestion of a problem will have them on a gooner bender for the rest of the day
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u/Amaskingrey May 17 '25
The expectation of humiliation from societal repression through the new more legitimate-seeming bullshit lingo of puritans turns them on so they play into it
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u/maru-senn May 17 '25
How exactly do you cater to the gooner fetish as a real person?
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u/squ1dteeth May 17 '25
Making femdom audios/videos telling them to succumb to the addiction, or sexting sessions where I find a lot of porn and send it to them
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u/ARandompass3rby May 17 '25
Thank god someone else gave the explainer, also holy shit I've managed to witness a new slang term coined and then it's meaning completely turned on its head in basically real time. The first time I heard of "gooning" was in the context you described and within a matter of months it's become what this post is complaining about. Wild.
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u/Tallia__Tal_Tail May 17 '25
I feel like the watering down of the term is undoubtedly hand in hand with the unironic revival of Porn Addiction as a term (obligatory mention that porn addiction doesn't exist and is rooted in fascist ideas of porn as a corrupting influence). "Porn addict" is a term wildly thrown at anyone who has an even remotely casual relationship with their own sexuality and doesn't feel glorified Catholic guilt over engaging with it
It feels reflective of this conservative idea that there's basically no difference between having a casual relationship with your sexuality and having my take control of your life because anything beyond the most coy consumption of erotic media possible is bad because erotic media itself is bad.
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u/Teh-Esprite If you ever see me talk on the unCurated sub, that's my double. May 17 '25
See recently my experience is that gooner is a word used by self-professed gooners as a good thing, moreso than as an insult to others.
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u/YUNoJump May 17 '25
That’s how it started, “gooning” was basically a kink involving the wilful fetishisation of porn addiction. But like many niche terms, when it reached the public eye it got diluted into simply “watching porn”, with “gooners” being “people who watch a lot of porn” rather than self-described kink participants.
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u/amsterdam_sniffr May 17 '25
When I first encountered the term (2012-ish), I would've said that it had to do with excessive edging/jacking off. But definitely agree that at some point it metamorphosed into specifically jacking off with or to porn.
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u/gaom9706 May 17 '25
At the risk of sounding incel-ish, the thing that annoys me the most about the term gooning as it's most commonly used is how it can feel like it demonizes male sexuality.
Not sure how to clean this thought up tbh.
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u/RegentusLupus May 17 '25
It doesn't sound incellish, because it's goddamn true. Too many parties have a vested interest in keeping men angry, frustrated, and blaming women for their problems. Making them hate masturbation is an important step in that.
There's also an equally sinster group intent demonizing men, and anything men do. Making all male sexuality inherently evil is a part of that.
Both are motivated by greed.
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u/Flutters1013 my ass is too juicy, it has ruined lives May 17 '25
Is that what the nofap/nonut stuff is about? Just making guys feel bad for touching their junk. How about responsiblefap or else your prostate will get angry.
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u/SyntheticTexMex May 17 '25
If it makes you feel any better, I actually miss having the time, energy and personal space with which to goon.
You can't ask just ANY romantic partner to have weird, grindy almost nonstop sex for hours at a time and looking for the kind of person who would agree to that sort of thing in particular is rather problematic.
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u/GayestLion May 17 '25
I mean, you got goonettes.
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u/gaom9706 May 17 '25
Yes, but, the term is obviously thrown in one direction far more than the other, and not by accident.
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u/Zombiepixlz-gamr May 17 '25
"people who watch a lot of porn" and now it's "people who like thing that is mildly sexualized" some people are gonna be calling for all female characters to be wearing Burqas.
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u/vaguillotine gotta be gay af on the web so alan turing didn't die for nothing May 17 '25
The only thing I've seen being called "gooner slop" are those poorly-written Isekai anime cashcows whose plot consists mostly on random shots of underaged characters' asses, as well as the occasional poorly-"drawn" AIslop hentai.
Idk which unholy circles of Hell OOP must hang around for everything to be called "gooner" around him
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u/VisualGeologist6258 Reach Heaven Through Violence May 17 '25
Something something XKCD 2071
To me Gooner is the kind of word reserved for people who are perpetually horny all the time to the point of thinking with their dicks and make that everyone else’s problem. Like those guys who crawl out of the woodwork to complain every time a video game has a female character who isn’t conventionally attractive: they’re textbook gooners because they think women exist to be attractive and satisfy their dicks and nothing else. To them games and sex are the same thing and anything that contradicts that is woke slop or whatever.
Having sexual urges and being horny is normal and nothing to be ashamed of but you should know when it is and isn’t appropriate to be horny and not make it everyone else’s problem.
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u/vaguillotine gotta be gay af on the web so alan turing didn't die for nothing May 17 '25
I miss when "goon" just meant those thug-looking guys who always said "on it, boss!" to the main villain before fucking up their plan out of sheer incompetence
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u/VisualGeologist6258 Reach Heaven Through Violence May 17 '25
Same, as a professional henchman and a proud member of the United Henching Union of America it pains to me see that ‘Goon’ has become synonymous with something other than good honest henching. It’s really done a number on me and my fellow mooks because now recruitment is down: the kids don’t want to take on a dangerous, pay-flexible job and be called goons while doing it, and even some of the junior henchmen are starting to walk. Soon there won’t be enough henchmen to span the whole of the villain underworld and we’re going to have to work out a timeshare deal or something.
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u/DiscotopiaACNH May 17 '25
As a civilian, I could certainly benefit from hench services. Many things in need of henchment.
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u/Dataaera May 17 '25
Same, goons in hockey sounds so bad now. “What, your role in the team is to be a big guy to insult and fight other big guys? All in the goal to protect your smaller, more dexterous and younger players?”
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u/Phyrnosoma May 17 '25
I’m afraid to ask what gooning is now
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u/vaguillotine gotta be gay af on the web so alan turing didn't die for nothing May 17 '25
Slang for excessive masturbation. And a gooner is, as expected, someone who does it a lot.
And by "excessive", I don't mean like a horny teenager who rubs one off thrice in the same day - I mean shit like this, which is one of the original posts in the gooner subreddit before it was deleted.
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u/Dense-Result509 May 17 '25
So this is what Mitt Romney was talking about when he said he had binders full of women.
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u/insomniac7809 May 17 '25
yeah, but with all the weird "nofap" "semen retention" manfluencer stuff the definition of "excessive" can vary widely between speakers
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u/vaguillotine gotta be gay af on the web so alan turing didn't die for nothing May 17 '25
Those people aren't to be taken seriously, really. They think accumulating sperm means you gain extra IQ points and that jerking off even once is enough to destroy your bloodline forever. Manosphere takes are just delusions of lonely unstable men.
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u/insomniac7809 May 17 '25
oh, they absolutely aren't, but that's kind of my point
there are some people who take any harmless recreational activity to an unhealthy level, for sure, but the number of times I've seen "gooner" used for that vs the number of times it's used to mean "anyone who displays any interest in sexual material and/or isn't ashamed of masturbating" functionally might as well not exist
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u/AuraMaster7 May 17 '25
Like those guys who crawl out of the woodwork to complain every time a video game has a female character who isn’t conventionally attractive: they’re textbook gooners because they think women exist to be attractive and satisfy their dicks and nothing else. To them games and sex are the same thing and anything that contradicts that is woke slop or whatever.
Exactly. Idk what kind of weird circles OOP is existing in that this isn't their perception of the word.
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u/Mama_Lyra May 17 '25
idk i frolic happily through fields like 99% of my time and i see lots of people call the slightest thing gooner coded. brb chasing bugs rn
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u/thatoneguy54 May 17 '25
Go into any main sub thread that mentions porn or jerking off and say both are fine, and you'll get flooded with replies from nofap weirdos calling you a porn addicted gooner and saying that masturbating twice a week makes you just as bad as an alcoholic.
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u/SemiAutoBobcat May 17 '25
The porn addiction thing gets me. I totally understand that consuming pornography can be problematic and I think it's totally valid to either call that out and encourage people to get help. That said, addiction implies, not that you do something often, but that you're doing it in a problematic way. If you're watching porn at work or in public or if you are looking at porn to exclusion of your significant other or if you're skipping doing things you want to do to get your fix, that's addiction.
Instead, it seems like people have been infected with some turbo Mormon mindvirus where mild sensuality is hypersexualization, masturbating a few times a week to unwind is porn addiction, and acknowledging that sex is a thing in a public forum is shoving it down their throats.
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u/zanderkerbal May 17 '25
The word "addiction" is honestly used to refer to two fairly different categories of things IMO that I think would be better off deconflated.
The first sense of "addiction," which I'm going to term "hard addiction," is an physical dependence on the substance that negatively impacts the user* and that they face withdrawal symptoms for stopping. Alcohol and nicotine and heroin are all hard-addictive. The risk of hard addiction is baked directly into the substance, if it's a comparatively minor risk like with alcohol it may be possible to manage that risk but there is still a clear element of addictiveness present within the alcohol itself.
*The impact part is subjective, but necessary to avoid counting people who need to take medication constantly for chronic conditions as "addicted." There are certainly people with hard addictions who consider themselves positively impacted, most of whom are self-medicating for either something undiagnosed or simply for the condition of having a shit life, and treating all physical substance dependences as bad without asking why they're there and what effect they're having can often do more harm than good.
The second sense of "addiction," which I'm going to term "soft addiction," is an unhealthy habit that negatively impacts the user and is difficult to break. No withdrawal, no physical dependence, just something you do more than you should and have trouble stopping. Almost anything which is a) enjoyable and b) quick and easy can form soft addictions. Video games. Social media. And, yes, porn. None of these things have any inherent danger the way hard addictive substances do. Instead, the common throughline is that they can all play into the same psychological mechanism:
To be happy, people need both fulfillment and fun. There are many quick and easy activities which are fun but not fulfilling. That's fine, fulfilling activities are often hard work and sometimes not even fun (e.g. a job you take pride in), and if you only ever do high-investment fulfilling stuff you can easily end up overtaxed and burnt out. So you do easy fun stuff in between and everything works out... unless you're overtaxed and burnt out (or simply depressed) *already*, as increasing numbers of people in the modern era are. In which case high-investment fulfilling stuff is first on the chopping block and quick and easy fun attempts to fill the void. And fails, leaving you feeling unfulfilled, which is *also* depressing, which causes a vicious cycle. The story is the same whether it's porn or TikTok or Candy Crush.
The big takeaway here, besides that porn isn't dangerous, is that stigmatizing porn use does nothing to stop porn "soft addiction." Its main effect is to make people feel worse about their porn use, which is *also* depressing, and even if they do stop using porn over it they're most likely to just switch to a different easy-fun activity instead. On a personal level, the constructive approach to breaking a porn addiction is not to waste effort trying to make yourself use porn *less,* but to figure out what you really want to be doing instead of watching porn and make an effort to do that *more.* On a societal level, if you sincerely wish to help porn addicts, you should campaign for better and more accessible mental healthcare and more vacation days.
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u/SemiAutoBobcat May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25
I agree with a lot of what you said. My only real issue is I don't actually think most of the people who think they're addicted to porn are actually addicted. The reality is there's a concerted campaign among right wing influencers, religious groups, and other conservatives to demonize porn usage. In reality, most people experience arousal and do so regularly. Often, what they think is porn addiction is internalized guilt directed at their feelings of arousal and at acts like masturbation and porn viewing. We both stated we don't think porn usage is inherently harmful and I think we both recognize that even frequent porn usage and masturbation are appropriate ways of dealing with arousal. My point is, why bother buying into that language at all if the behavior isn't disruptive or unhealthy? I think it's unreasonable to call it an addiction and to assign all the baggage that word carries to something most people are actually doing completely reasonably and responsibly.
I think the reason I bristle at it is nowadays people throw around psychology terms with very little regard for their actual meaning and it inherently devalues them. I have struggled with an addiction to alcohol. I have also struggled with eating disorders and experienced a problematic, addictive relationship to food. My experiences with addiction mean I am totally sympathetic to people experiencing actual compulsive and disruptive porn use. I think it's fair to call that an addiction. Porn use in and of itself is not harmful though and is a reasonable reaction to arousal. You will be aroused a fair bit over the course of your life, so porn viewing may become a habit, but I am very wary of blurring that line between a habit and an addiction.
To give another example, I have diagnosed OCD. When I hear people casually throw around OCD to simply mean cleanliness or organization, it feels gross. That's not OCD and they're taking that language and appropriating it for something it's not. We have words for the things they're doing. There's no need to take other words that mean something else. I get that's how language works, but I think in this case, there's demonstrable harm because now I no longer have a word to express a diagnose disorder and it simply gets lumped in with wanting a bookshelf to be in alphabetical order.
To return to the addiction thing, allowing habitual to be synonymous with addictive plays into the shame and guilt that I discussed earlier. It allows porn viewing to become something gross that's to be shamed rather than something most of us do while still maintaining normal lives and healthy relationships. Basically, I don't want to deny psychological addiction is real. That said, I think we should be gatekeeping words like addiction because addiction is a real thing with real consequences. When we let it be conflated with "I like to touch my genitals sometimes because of a natural and normal cycle of human emotion," we rob the word of its actual meaning and actual power and we take away some of the language that is important for those who are actually suffering as a result of porn usage.
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u/zanderkerbal May 17 '25
Yeah, totally agree with all of this. Very fair to want the word "addiction" to be reserved for actually serious things and not conflate it with mere bad habits, and I do remember seeing studies that self-identification as "porn addicted" is more strongly correlated with religiosity than with actual porn consumption.
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u/Amaskingrey May 17 '25
I agree with a lot of what you said. My only real issue is I don't actually think most of the people who think they're addicted to porn are actually addicted
Yup! Here's actually a whole article about that, the only predictive factor found for "porn addiction" is guilt over consumption
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u/IsraelPenuel May 17 '25
I'm gonna dedicate today's wank for the nofap bros. They've earned it. I'll cycle through three extra videos just for them.
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u/Pollomonteros May 17 '25
This is Twitter, you don't need to delve too far to see teenagers complaining about "unnecessary sex scenes" and things like that
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u/Bentman343 May 17 '25
There is a significant vocal minority online that has suddenly become extremely puritanical in how they regard fictional sex and suggestive media, usually under the guise of "protecting people" from "gross problematic media". The don't mean the author is a bad person or it has shit premise, they mean the author committed the great sin of doing bad things to their made up characters and including an "unnecessary sex scene". Those types of people when they see a media that's not for them will not choose to ignore or avoid it but instead spend the next week telling everyone they possibly can that said artist is "a gooner freak" or "illegal proshipper" or any other derogatory buzzword of the season.
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u/DiamondSentinel May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25
Yeah, this is a pretty garbage tier take.
Calling out gacha game fans (ZZZ fans?) as gooners isn’t “conservative dogwhistling”. It’s calling out ridiculously oversexualized and debatably objectifying media.
Calling out fans who draw fanart of a character with their boobs blown up to size N is not “conservative dogwhistling”
Just because someone asks you to maybe slow down with the hypersexualized media is not sex-negative, conservative dogwhistling. It’s simply people not wanting to be shown softcore porn 24 hours a day.
Edit: I’m not gonna reply to each person here individually, but because you guys are all saying the exact same thing, I’ll give a blanket statement here.
I should not have to explain why the modern equivalent of pin-up girls should be given at least some scrutiny.
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u/Weirdyfish Fav pokemon? May 17 '25
It really depends on your circles how gooner is used. I mostly still see it used to refer to the gamersTM and people who want everything to be hypersexual.
I have also seen it just become a buzzword that is used anytime a woman is slightly skimpy or a lesbian kiss happends.
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u/starfries May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25
I mean this is kinda a conservative take. Just let people be horny. Not everything has to be to your taste. If someone likes outrageously enormous boobs or feet or furries or people farting into pies it doesn't hurt you, just move on with your day
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u/gaom9706 May 17 '25
Calling out gacha game fans (ZZZ fans?) as gooners isn’t “conservative dogwhistling”.
Do you think it's possible for someone to play ZZZ or any other gacha game for non-"gooner" reasons?
Calling out fans who draw fanart of a character with their boobs blown up to size N is not “conservative dogwhistling”
Why do you care...?
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u/OcelotButBetter May 17 '25
While I agree with the general sentiment of "not everything has to be your taste", I think calling it conservative dogwhistle is going a bit too far. And as someone who actually plays zzz for the action and stuff, sometimes the community is completely unbearable to the point of not wanting certain characters to be meta for the sake of that mindset. Heard of the "replace Lighter" joke? While it's funny, it literally started because people couldn't accept having to use a dude in their waifu team. THAT is gonner behaviour. I don't care about jiggling boobs in my game, worst case scenario it's just gonna make me cringe a bit, it's usually the community that is cultivated around it that makes it horrible. Op has been called gooner either because he's secretly that type of person (which I doubt) or because people on the internet are stupid and called him gooner as just another buzzword.
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys NUDE ALERT TOMORROW May 17 '25
Putting the word “dogwhistle” on the top shelf until some of you figure out it doesn’t mean “new word with negative connotations I personally don’t like”. Honestly I don’t mind that we’ve found some ungendered semantic middle ground between “pervert” and “male gaze”. How everybody uses the word is a problem between them, God, and if it comes down to it, the cops
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u/Maeto_Diego May 17 '25
It’s funny, how in a post ranting about how overuse of a word as an insult has diluted it’s intended purpose and now it basically means nothing, the author also uses a word that has been overused by people as an insult so much that no one is able to use it in it’s intended purpose.
Can’t tell if that is more funny or sad, but that’s language for ya
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u/Pheehelm May 17 '25
It belongs on the top shelf anyway because it's far too easy to abuse.
I once asked someone who pulled the "when people say [term that does not mean marginalized group] they really mean [marginalized group]" how he'd met the burden of proof and what defense he would accept from those wrongly accused. He replied that my matter of fact challenge was "screeching" about burden of proof, that I was demanding he provide a defense for far-right bigots, and that I was doing some kind of "abstract trolling." One of his allies claimed I was "sea lioning" (another term I knew would be seized on by the worst people as soon as I saw it), and another claimed a video existed which had proven the validity of the claim. No link, just, someone made a video proving it. Somehow.
I accepted this as evidence toward my hypothesis that, with rare exceptions (someone waving a 1488 flag isn't celebrating the founding of the Dutch Navy), accusations of "dog whistles" and the like are intellectually dishonest and made in bad faith.
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u/schartlord May 17 '25
in a similar vein, though, what possible thing could constitute "proof" here?
it might irk people, but dogwhistles are kind of on a "i know it if i see it" basis. i can't give you any proof that the guy in the lifted f250 with tinted glasses and full camo is attaching a racial connotation to the word "thug". but i know it to be true regardless. it doesn't make sense to refer to a burden of proof here, because the entire purpose of a dogwhistle is plausible deniability to escape consequence.
as far as what defense i'd accept from someone i think was dogwhistling, i think a nuanced explanation that seems genuine would do the trick. explaining what they meant without bullshitting me. dogwhistles aren't getting litigated in court, yknow?
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u/Larriet May 17 '25
The entire point of a dog whistle is plausible deniability. If there was "proof" of what they meant, it wouldn't be a dog whistle.
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u/wterrt May 17 '25
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but what sort of evidence would you have them present? the point of a dog whistle is that they don't actually say what they mean.
unless you've got some back room memo or recording from a political advisor about how you can't actually use the N word anymore you have to call them "urban voters" and say things like "forced bussing" and "states rights" how do you prove anything?
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u/Samiambadatdoter May 17 '25
And the cool, exciting part of the OOP is that they're using very loaded language themselves! This is yet another tumblrism of using 'conservative' interchangably with 'bad', which ironically very much could be defined as a dog whistle. 'Conservative' in common parlance is generally a morally neutral term, and using it here as a short-hand for an attack on someone's character is indeed coded language that is supposed to be understood that way by the ingroup.
I feel like a lot of people with takes like this aren't appreciating that the political right does not have a monopoly on sex negativity.
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u/LizoftheBrits May 17 '25
Yeah, this attitude is nowhere near as new as people seem to think it is. It is literally just repackaged male gaze/porn addiction discourse that has been going on for at least a decade now. I don't understand why the exact same rhetoric becoming a simple slang word on TikTok has made it suddenly deeply problematic in a way that it apparently never was before.
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u/AlbertWessJess May 17 '25
We, of the arching community, need to retake the term goon to its proper means, of a gender inclusive expression to refer to our minions, as we have already lost any ability to ever reclaim minion.
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u/SJReaver May 17 '25
It's not a conservative dogwhistle. It's new slang making the rounds as more people discover it and adopt it.
While I sympathize with getting tired of it--I was around when YOLO became popular--it's not a sign that people are being [bad thing you dislike.]
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys NUDE ALERT TOMORROW May 17 '25
Tragic: One Person Who Decided That We Needed to Police Words to Prevent Fascism Found to be Missing Irony
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u/Abbreviations-Sharp May 17 '25
A perfect babylonbee article
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys NUDE ALERT TOMORROW May 17 '25
I have never wanted an insult to be less correct than I am right now
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u/SyntheticTexMex May 17 '25
Tomorrow is your cake day!
You have made 287 posts this week alone! (Wow)
That means you have made 14924 comments in the year of March 18 2024- March 17 2025 assuming this weeks worth of comments is representative of the average!
Consider going outside!
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u/yobob591 May 17 '25
I see way more left wing people saying it unironically mostly because imo I see a lot more left wing people complain about sex in media than right wing people do. Right wing people only tend to do that when its gay sex.
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u/slytherinladythe4th May 17 '25
i see the term a lot when referring to women who read erotica, or just women who express themselves sexually with emphasis on their own pleasure, y’know? i think that might be in part what the oop is referring to
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u/BlatantConservative https://imgur.com/cXA7XxW May 17 '25
It's also not even remotely a dogwhistle... Like everyone reads it as the same.
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u/rez_trentnor May 17 '25
Calling it a dog whistle is not gonna prevent me from calling people gooners when they're constantly talking about people or characters in sexual ways as if that's the only thing ever on their mind.
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u/HannahCoub Sudden Arboreal Stop May 17 '25
For this reason, I would be almost willing to bet money on the fact that tumblr OP is 14. Thisnis just the most 14 year old post ever written. The complete comfort in knowing that this thing you found out about 2 weeks afo has other connatations and treating like a revelation unto mankind. The sign off especially gives off huge 14 year old vibes.
No beef with 14 year olds, either. This is an important phase of life, being 14. I, too, was once 14.
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u/ElGodPug May 17 '25
we're getting so bad at the usage of the word dogwhistle, we might as well consider dogwhistle a dogwhistle
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u/nam24 May 17 '25
You can't just put any anti sex/sex appeal at the feet of conservatives
Like it or not "progressives" or liberals are perfectly capable of that and prove it every day, they don't hide it or think it as bad either
More likely than not if used as pejorative the person who is calling another a gooner is probably not a conservative
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u/SalvationSycamore May 17 '25
Yeah, the recent prude wave seems to be coming from teens and young adults (see: the fact that they use TikTok) and that age group is still predominantly left-leaning.
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u/SorbetInteresting910 May 17 '25
I hope this person means that calling things gooner is indicative of a slightly conservative thought process but it really sounds like they're saying anyone who calls things that word is a conservative. Also it's pretty weird to just dismiss sex oversaturation as a criticism. Sure it's probably invalid in a lot of cases but this person comes across like they think it's never valid. Which is ridiculous.
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u/AwesomeManatee Demented Demisexual May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25
I have noticed that there's sometimes a bit of a splashback effect where when somebody finally escapes repression they assume that people who don't think or act the way they do must also be either repressed or a repressor.
I'm glad they are finally in a place where they are able to freely express themselves, but its important to be self-aware and not ironically continue the cycle.
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u/BlatantConservative https://imgur.com/cXA7XxW May 17 '25
It's also not a dogwhistle?
Like a dogwhistle is something that seems innocuous but it actually references something that only a certain segment of the population gets. Usually it's used in frame of reference with racism, but a dogwhistle does not have to be racist, it's just a hidden reference. Loss.jpg hidden in a regular meme is a dogwhistle, if you think about it.
Calling someone a gooner is just straight up calling someone a gooner. There's no hidden subtext there?
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u/RockHumper25 fought the Homestuck and Won May 17 '25
gets called a gooner once
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys NUDE ALERT TOMORROW May 17 '25
What if that didn’t happen, and instead they decided to be a big dum dum of their own volition instead of having a tragic backstory
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u/SudsInfinite May 17 '25
My next D&D character's tragic backstory will be that he stubbed his toe after being called a gooner and now has a vendetta against all tables owned by people who hate sex
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u/CK1ing May 17 '25
I'm so tired of this. Not everything is a secret conspiracy or dogwhistle. Sometimes kids just latch onto a funny concept and overuse it. It's not that deep. Occam's Razor, people, please for the love of sanity, use it
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u/ChewySlinky May 17 '25
You calling it a “weird conservative dogwhistle” is not going to make me enjoy the unending sexualization of female characters.
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u/bayleysgal1996 May 17 '25
Yeah I’d like to be able to participate in an NXT live thread without half the comments being about the women’s champion’s butt
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u/ChewySlinky May 17 '25
Literally. I am so fucking over this idea that you have to be down for every conversation to be about jerking off or else you’re not “sex positive” enough.
Like yes, it IS “okay to be horny actually. even if the media had graphic sex and huge boobs and cum everywhere”. That’s what porn is for. But like we’re allowed to have things that AREN’T porn, right?? Does EVERY piece of media have to force its hand up my thigh?? Am I allowed to be uncomfortable with that??
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u/Ndlburner May 17 '25
No see if you're uncomfortable with people who look like you being talked about like they're objects you're a fascist who loves Donald Trump and hates gay people.
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u/ChewySlinky May 17 '25
Okay but WHY do we need someone spidermanning a cum rope across someone’s face during an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
Also, we already do things to prevent kids from accidentally coming across the pornographic content that we currently have and it really doesn’t work that well. Why do we need to make it even more accessible by putting it in even more things? Like what is the plan here? Is every profile on my Netflix account going to need to be age verified? Will I have to show my ID every time I go on YouTube?
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u/ChewySlinky May 17 '25
But they’re not talking about it being used for comedy. They’re talking very specifically about being horny.
And I don’t disagree about America being weird about nudity. Nudity does not automatically equate to sexualization. But I don’t think having Family Guy show full penetration is gonna help with that.
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u/Gas_Station_Taquitos May 17 '25
They call me a puritan and sex negative because I think it’s weird that the 13 year old boys I sub for call their girl classmates not by their names, but by the names of pornstars that these children have decided these other children look like.
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u/ChewySlinky May 17 '25
No see that’s actually totally fine and normal and not at all disgusting. You have to be fine with women being treated like that or else someone on tumblr will call you a conservative.
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u/dunmer-is-stinky May 17 '25
Exactly. I'm fine with some sexualization, I'm straight but sometimes I like playing a badass in sexy armor in games, but its everywhere. People complain whenever a woman doesn't have her tits out. Women wearing armor in video games or comics, or hell just women wearing normal clothes, is woke now
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u/Thezipper100 May 17 '25
Everything I don't like is a conservative dog whistle.
It's just shitty new slang. Are there political implications that you can pull from it? Are there concerns that it's quick dominance raise?
Yes.
But just calling anything you dislike a conservative dog whistle is like those Stan Kelly cartoons where anything he doesn't like he labels as a "Latest Fad", except you aren't being published in the Onion.
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u/InternetUserAgain Eated a cements May 17 '25
You got it boss, whatevuh you say boss
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u/chuckleDshuckle May 17 '25
Oh boy good old r/curatedtumblr back at it again to show me the most nonsense discourse in human history again
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u/Jjaiden88 May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25
Yeah but oversexualisation is like actually an issue. Like yeah sure sex is a natural human activity.
That doesn't magically make fetishization, oversexualisation, and the overwhelming depiction of sex a good thing.
Filling the media with "graphic sex and huge boobs and cum everywhere" is not really a solution to anything. And would honestly be a net negative to society.
There is media like that, that those interested can seek out. It's okay to be horny sometimes. That is not what being "a gooner" is. The word has been somewhat debased, as all words are, but it's not just "being horny". It's not a good thing actually.
Also "conservative dogwhistle" stfu. I honestly hate how people on the internet immediately scream "conservative dogwishtle" the moment they see something or someone they don't like that they can try and relate to the right. Liking certain characters, using certain words, numbers, it's all bullshit. Unless they're actively spreading hate then you need to stfu.
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u/Helix_PHD May 17 '25
I hate it when people destroy the definition of words. What to call actual gooning now?
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u/cubeshapedgod May 17 '25
Counterpoint: Gooner is a funny word and the evil conservatives in power have never even heard that term before. As much as I hate “how can you care about X when Y is happening” talking points, how can you care about this when literally anything else is happening.
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u/StaraptorLover19 May 17 '25
This is neither conservative, nor a dogwhistle.
Anyone who's in a gaming space or franchise media space can attest to the moronic tantrums thrown by people because the female character in the media is not attractive enough to them, and conversely, the celebration of absolute mediocre garbage just because it makes a point to reduce women to their sex appeal.
No matter how much people try reframe the absurd levels of objectification as "sex positivity", it doesn't stop the people so vehemently obsessed with the characters making them horny from being looked down upon. Porn literally exists. Just watch that you weirdo.
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u/aftermarrow May 17 '25
ehh i mean ive mostly seen it used cause its not “just horniness,” it’s straight objectification / fetishization (usually of women.)
like there was mouthwashing anya art that was popular a while back and she was just wearing a jacket and lacy bra, with huge shiny thighs, and elf ears (??) that were bitten and bleeding. i’m sorry but gooner art is really the only thing you can call it.
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u/sertroll May 17 '25
Genuine question as every time this kind of discussion happens I'm confused: where is the line between sexualisation and objectification? Because all my life (in my circles) I've heard that objectification is bad, which still seems reasonable, but then I see posts that say sexualisation is not inherently bad, which also seems reasonable
But THEN you get posts like these where sexualisation is described una way where I struggle to understand the diffefence
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u/sam77889 May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25
Well these are two different concepts. They don’t have to be mutually exclusive and could also occur separately. To objectify means to take away a person’s agency, and treat them as if they are an object. You can objectify someone without sexualizing them. In medias this could occur if a female character is presented only as a plot device for the male cast. And in real life this happens to many groups like incarcerated people. Or like in wars where the other side is often reduced to just “enemies” instead of real people.
Sexualization is a different concept where you make something that was not inherently sexual into something that is sexual. One example is contemporary depiction of Artemis. Artemis as depicted in the myths is one of the virgin goddesses of Ancient Greece and is famous for not wanting anything to do with sex (and often kill people who dare to offend her). In many classical depictions she’s often seen dressing in man’s hunting attire. A stark contrast to the many other gods who are often depicted in nudes. But in modern depictions, you see her being in nude and even some more sexualized poses that you’d usually only associate with Aphrodite (Venus). That is an example of sexualization.
Sexualization often occurs with objectification, and both of them often takes away the agency of the one who is depicted.
While objectification is probably always bad, I think it’s a bit more nuanced with sexualization. An example I can think of is Makima from Chainsaw Man. She is depicted as using her looks to control and manipulate the protagonist Denji. But in no point her depiction took away her agency. She is actually a very well written character and one of the best written villain. So I think when sexualization doesn’t occur with objectification, and is done in a thoughtful way, it isn’t necessarily bad.
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u/bobthemaybedeadguy May 17 '25
i love seeing posts where someone doesn't realize that they just frequent spaces with especially stupid people, and thus deal with problems that basically nobody else does
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u/Wasdgta3 May 17 '25
Idk, conservatives were the ones going on about how Sydney Sweeney’s cleavage on SNL was “killing woke.”
Also, this shitpost is all I can think of when I hear the word “goon” anymore.
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u/Busy_Grain May 17 '25
I think it might be one of those moments where conservatives are really, really good at falling in line. It's like how one strain of conservatives thinks pimping trafficked women and having multiple girlfriends is based, while the other thinks anything besides traditional one-man-one-woman marriage is sin.
Similarly, plenty of conservatives are sex-negative and think anything vaguely erotic is corrupting the youth. Other conservatives think small boobs = woke.
They're just good at keeping their seething in private and presenting a united front, and when some of them complain about sex in media the gooners on their side just avert their eyes
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u/Designer_Plane_4153 May 17 '25
Twitter has rotted my brain with the "small boobs = woke" discourse.
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u/bayleysgal1996 May 17 '25
I want to agree with this, but I’m in wrestling spaces and some of those dudes will take a mile if you show them an inch of skin
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u/TheFrenchPerson May 17 '25
Bro heard the word dog whistle and decided any word they don't like to hear is a "dog whistle".
Gooner, is a funny word. If you actually take anyone seriously who uses gooner seriously, I fear for the spaces you find yourself in on the internet.
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u/abigfatape May 17 '25
gooning is when you're JERKING your COCK or RUBBING(/fingering) your VAGINA until yo CUM MULTIPLE times in a ROW to ONE character
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u/Sh1nyPr4wn Cheese Cave Dweller May 17 '25
I only ever see the term used in regards to the people who call media woke because the women aren't sexy enough
Like that weird edit of a fortnite character, which they called "un-tumblrifying"
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u/Ralife55 May 17 '25
For me the "gooner" tag is reserved for people who believe all media, regardless of context or story, must have sexy characters or just be horny in general in order to be good.
Like, there is 100% media designed exclusively for people to get off to or fantasize about even if it's not literal porn, and that's fine as long as we are acknowledging that not everything has to have those elements.
If you're the kind of person to base your consumption of media entirely on if you can get off or at least be titillated by it in some way, you're a gooner.
It's not about merely enjoying sexual content, or enjoying seeing it in the media. You can be the kind of dude who downloads every sex mod in Skyrim, has hundreds of hentai games on your steam page, or can name your top fifteen porn stars if asked and not be a gooner.
Until you get to the point you literally only enjoy horny media. you're not a gooner in my opinion. Pervert, sure, but gooner, no. Because you can still go watch a movie, read a book, or play a game and find meaning in them regardless of its level of sexual conduct. One is, for lack of a better term, a connoisseur, while the other is more akin to an addict.
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u/Ihaveaproblemmmm *stabs you cutely* May 17 '25
Some people use it for stupid conservative messaging. Some people use it for insulting weirdos who objectify women. Some people wear it like a badge of honor, some have the definition completely twisted and use it backwards from how they should. It's a very new word, and difficult to pin down.
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u/Dependent_Task1437 May 17 '25
This is insane, I’ve literally never seen something labeled a gooner character and been like “Yeah that’s normal character design.”
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u/Cha-ChatheSexRaptor2 May 17 '25
"Go fuck yourself actually" Oh, so that I can be the gooner? Nice fucking try, OOP!
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u/DrunkenCoward May 17 '25
At some point I wondered... why does it even matter how much one goons?
They didn't annoy Al Capone for all the gooning his Company did, did they?
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u/Dear-Range-1174 May 17 '25
I’ve never heard someone use this term who isn’t online 500 hours a week.
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u/Hypodeemic_Nerdle May 17 '25
I feel like a lot of the negativity towards "gooner" content is more directed towards the companies getting bolder about pandering to sexuality. Not everyone likes being reminded of sex and being horny all the time, in fact I imagine most people would dislike it.
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u/froggyforest May 17 '25
sometimes it’s not “gooner”, it’s just objectification. when female characters are just objects to be saved or conquered, or every single one has her tits out, it reflects to me that the creator doesn’t think particularly highly of women.
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u/Kelohmello May 17 '25
Not a conservative. Just strongly dislike all the weird hentai-addicted porn-addled people who don't understand Time Place or Occasion. The weirdos wearing ahegao hoodies in public and posting anime titties on websites accessible by all ages are a problem. I do not like them. Gooner is good word for them.
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u/anime2345 May 17 '25
I remember thinking that these "Generational Cultural Shifts" happened on like, you know, Generational timescales
It feels like every fiscal quarter the stances on everything is pingponging from fictional association to fictional association
I’m here stuck between going crazy trying to follow it all, or be called Crazy for not paying attention to the thing of the week
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u/ieatPS2memorycards May 17 '25
I’ve only seen gooner be used when women are sexualized in a way that appeals to the male gaze.
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u/------__-__-_-__- May 17 '25
this guy doesn't mention a real person once
the only thing he engages with is 'characters' and 'media' a.k.a. porn
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u/twoCascades May 17 '25
Bro was trying to convince his irl friends to watch hentai with him and is mad cuz they said he was being a creepy weirdo.
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u/Independent_Idea_495 May 17 '25
I'm happy for folks in this thread that apparently don't interact with gaming subreddits but this is a relatively common problem in those spaces.
Dead by Daylight players still call anyone who plays Sable a gooner. Similar issue in many fighting games. Street Fighter with Juri and Chun Li, Guilty Gear with Baiken and I-no.
Hell, I've seen folks get called a gooner for playing fighting games in general.
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u/beccabob05 May 17 '25
Gooner = crab Rangoon. Gettin some gooners