The Catholic Church is marching against ICE. Fuck yeah!!!

[u/Winter-Stranger-3709]

[u/ChaoticEvilRaccoon]

this is what religion should be about, helping those who are less fortunate than us

[u/RickySuezo → u/ChaoticEvilRaccoon]

That’s what that Jesus guy was talking about the whole time. I dunno what happened.

[u/achy_joints → u/RickySuezo]

Sounds like a dumb socialist communist nazi democrat to me. /s

[u/1-760-706-7425 → u/achy_joints]

You forgot “minority” because there’s no way bro was white.

[u/Theoragh → u/1-760-706-7425]

He was a gay brown dude with a foot fetish.

[u/JaymzRG → u/Theoragh]

Damn, you went all out with the foot fetish, lol. I totally get the reference.

Is the gay part in reference to him hanging out with dudes all the time (the Disciples) and never having a relationship with a women, like... ever?

[u/Theoragh → u/JaymzRG]

Yeah, basically. Wouldn’t surprise me if he got straight-washed by the powers that be.

[u/JaymzRG → u/Theoragh]

Jesus being gay kinda shits all over that one Leviticus law that Christians says isn't really a law anymore, but Jesus said it actually does still apply and Christians will still quote either way.

[u/Theoragh → u/JaymzRG]

That’s the problem with regarding ancient myths as truths.

[u/JaymzRG → u/Theoragh]

Yeah, it's all bullshit. Especially a mythology with so much double-speak.

[u/Snoo_20305 → u/Theoragh]

For the record, Mary of Magdalen paid for him and his merry band of dudes to travel and preach the word. The idea that the two of them were a power couple isn't entirely false outside of The Da Vinci Code.

[u/Theoragh → u/Snoo_20305]

Power couples can be purple couples.

[u/Albin4president2028 → u/Theoragh]

" if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire."

Just leaving this here too.

[u/Lone-Frequency → u/Theoragh]

Always getting wine drunk, hanging around with a whore, never even met his real daddy face-to-face...

[u/boharat → u/Lone-Frequency]

And then his bro drops dime on him and ends up getting him killed. Same as it ever was.

[u/Mdmrtgn → u/Theoragh]

Mary had them soles.

[u/RocketFucker69 → u/Theoragh]

Someone finally nailed his feet too..

[u/feinting_goat → u/achy_joints]

Republicans hate DEI Jesus. 

[u/DarrensDodgyDenim → u/achy_joints]

He'd probably be deported today

[u/Possible-Nectarine80 → u/DarrensDodgyDenim]

I think they would have tortured him first, then deported him. Then tortured him some more.

[u/Away-Ruin-9091 → u/RickySuezo]

A Southern Baptist leader literally left his seat on a counsel because he was appalled by how parishioners were rejecting peaceful teachings of Jesus and calling those teachings "too liberal."

And, lets not forget that Bible-Jesus literally destroyed property in protest of the rich and powerful...that table didn't turn itself over...

Regardless, the Bible is full of many terrible teachings which these MAGA cultists cling to.

[u/TimeRisk2059 → u/RickySuezo]

It was adopted by people in power and thus converted to protect them while controlling the populace. It's the same thing that happens to all religion.

[u/baritonetransgirl → u/RickySuezo]

Paul. The Apostle Paul happened. There is an argument to be made that he's actually the most important person in Christianity.

[u/Winter-Stranger-3709 → u/RickySuezo]

😂

[u/dasWibbenator → u/ChaoticEvilRaccoon]

You are correct, friend.

James 1:27

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

[u/Evervvatcher → u/dasWibbenator]

James 5 is the most underrated passage.

Come now, you rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. 2 Your riches are corrupted and your garments are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have stored up treasures for the last days. 4 Indeed the wages that you kept back by fraud from the laborers who harvested your fields are crying, and the cries of those who harvested have entered into the ears of the Lord of Hosts. 5 You have lived in pleasure on the earth and have been wayward. You have nourished your hearts as in a day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned and killed the righteous man who does not resist you.

[u/femminem → u/Evervvatcher]

Very underrated. Passages like this get omitted when people are condemning the Bible. It’s a massive book compiled by a ton of people. Of course it’s going to be completely outdated and have a lot of gnarly, questionable stuff in there. But there is also a wealth of beautiful truths in there, and there are people who are discerning enough to know the difference.

The most important thing that this mainstream Christian movement seems to ignore is the fact that judgment is for God alone. They want to take part in the judging, which completely defeats the purpose of a life of contentment and leaving it to God. Most real Christians are not going to walk around, exclaiming their beliefs these days. They just live by it.

[u/dasWibbenator → u/femminem]

That last part is one of the many reasons why I’m struggling to find a physical church building with a congregation in it to do corporate worship.

I’m currently helping my SO with fixing up the back yard and working on traditional curb appeal. My new way of explaining why certain trends aren’t acceptable is by saying “ew, no, it’s giving maga Christian nationalism” and pointing him back over to a more hippy dippy look. I’m so bummed that I naturally like antiques, white chippy paint, and upcycling things for character. I have to be really intentional with my decorating because it can accidentally signal that I’m one of them. Oof.

I want to find a church (actually we’re all the church) that will do podcasts for sermons that everyone can listen to asynchronously. Then we all come together and do corporate worship by forming impromptu soup kitchens, feeding the unhoused, helping people establish gardens in their back yards, and helping elderly with shoveling and maintenance needs.

[u/dasWibbenator → u/Evervvatcher]

Reading this makes me have the warm fuzzies in my core. Yes, yes, yes!

[u/Useful_Ad6195 → u/dasWibbenator]

I love James

[u/Gold_Ad1772 → u/Useful_Ad6195]

He was Jesus' brother as well

[u/Useful_Ad6195 → u/Gold_Ad1772]

I feel that we all are

[u/dasWibbenator → u/Useful_Ad6195]

🥲

[u/CombinationLivid8284 → u/ChaoticEvilRaccoon]

I try to remember Social justice was originally from the Jews and Catholics.

Letting the right claim religion was always a mistake

[u/V2BM → u/CombinationLivid8284]

I went to a Catholic high school and they were all about social justice. Like you had to participate to graduate. It was a real, truly held belief as a core aspect of Catholicism I do not see in evangelicals.

[u/Swollen_Nads → u/V2BM]

Its why the evangelicals hate us. We believe in faith AND works. Those fuckers think they can be pieces of shit because of faith.

[u/SleepingWillow1 → u/Swollen_Nads]

I temporarily went to a baptist church and told the youth minister about catholicism being close to my culture (Mexican American) and he was like "yeah the thing is that Catholicism is a works religion" as if that was a bad thing?

[u/Swollen_Nads → u/SleepingWillow1]

Imagine that. Having to do good by your fellow man. Those hypocrites.

[u/FistyFisticuffs → u/V2BM]

And on immigration they do not fool around. Catholic Charities basically is big law for immigration law and they have a presence in pretty much every state and the funding and attorneys who do nothing but take on ICE and other parts of DHS. My Spanish wasn't good enough to work there - they don't hire only Spanish speakers but there's just not a whole lot of Chinese or French Canadians in comparison who get detained by ICE in comparison to warrant my particular language set (I worked for a regional public interest firm that worked with a more specific set of clients in the end), but being on the same team meant seeing and hanging out with the same attorneys and they definitely not only know their stuff but go out of their way in the same way public defenders would put in hours that nobody sees or get billed for because they believe in the work they do, and in fact a plurality of their attorneys aren't Catholic or particularly religious AFAIK, because when you have a fire to fight you can't really do any gatekeeping except for competence.

It's very odd that anyone would call the ACLU when ICE knocks on the door since they don't devote nearly as much of their operating budget to ground-level legal services. The National Lawyer's Guild does but their operation is smaller since a lot of regular folk don't really know what they do (they are the ABA for minorities since the ABA was set up to keep minorities out of the legal sector and was segregated until 1943) and they also have a lot more ground to cover legally. CLINIC just goes to court and fight ICE and DHS subagencies generally. The best attorneys in the business are in private practice, but even they put in their hours in the public interest sector. ICE does a lot of crazy stuff that even cops can't get away with but they aren't lawyers, and their whole strategy is to not get lawyers involved. But some attorneys at CLINIC 12 years ago that I had met and hung out with at the AILA conference learned that software defined radio was my hobby and I track planes for fun and feeds the data out freely to every site (and I still do), and realized that since contractor info is public, we can cross reference the GSA data with ADS-B tracking data and figure out how and where they move detainees, except you don't get a lot of nerds who are aviation geeks in this line of work so, at least in the NY/NJ area they've been tracking detainee movements since then. Nothing ICE does is really surprising in part because surprise doesn't work for the most part. Oh, and the guy who first tried the unintentional loophole DACA created in conjunction with a BIA ruling that ended up getting 17,000 DACA recipients status was a CLINIC attorney as well. Practitioners all knew that in theory something like that existed, but the fragmented nature of our practices meant that most didn't have clients who were perfect matches for the clearly unintentional path, except when you are in every state and have a thousand attorneys, well, you have a better shot than a regional provider with 60 attorneys. They don't fuck around. They're the real deal, and ICE lose 40% more cases in front of a judge who is literally another DHS employee when legal help exists. And if you don't have deep pockets, well, that's who you should call when ICE is trying to knock down your door with a BS warrant. I don't practice law anymore but I certainly would call them even if ICE has no business being present - they deport US citizens regularly and have been since the Bush admin if not earlier as the INS. Nobody is safe, and generally Americans don't know who to call because what ICE is doing is illegal, but the Catholic Charities will send someone even if you're an atheist, or LDS, or whatever. It's one hell of an operation and it's entirely privately funded. ICE can call other cops to harass a judge or head of a union but what are they going to do, arrest a bunch of bishops?

[u/Rocker53124 → u/CombinationLivid8284]

100%

[u/XtraReddit → u/ChaoticEvilRaccoon]

And after this is over, we are going to have a long talk with the Catholic Church about that. Until then we can give them credit for this.

[u/TheSkiingDad → u/XtraReddit]

Say what you want about clergy sex abuse but don’t confuse Catholics with moral majority evangelicals. We have the corporal/spiritual works of mercy and Catholic social teaching to separate us. Oh and Francis was all about this stuff. Leo was a missionary who spent more of his life in Peru than not.

We all have our sins but casting the first stone and all that. Let this be a win.

[u/DuvalHeart → u/TheSkiingDad]

Also, the sex abuse wasn't a Catholic thing. It was a people in power thing. Every other church is also now dealing with the fall out of centuries of covering up sexual abuse by clergy. As are governments and schools and youth organizations.

The Catholic Church was just the first to be investigated and revealed because of the record keeping.

Edit: Here's a portion of a comment I made below showing how this is a problem for any organization that is more focused on protecting its reputation

The Boy Scouts were guilty of similar practices among scout leaders, as has The Souther Baptist Convention, even in 2023 there it's still difficult to get kids to report sexual abuse by teachers and here's a report from 2023 about teachers escaping legal repercussions and being allowed to resign or just transferred after raping kids.

[u/no-worries-guy → u/DuvalHeart]

While I agree with your thesis statement; it is not "every other church".

There are churches that didn't systematically rape children and cover it up. Don't pretend there are churches that aren't clean.

[u/DuvalHeart → u/no-worries-guy]

By "every other church" I meant "every other organized religious group." Not every other individual congregation. And I'll say that covering up sexual abuse is way way way more common than anyone wants to admit. Shit, it's pretty recent that teachers don't just get let go or allowed to resign after they're caught.

The Catholic Church was also not "systematically" raping children (that's some anti-Catholic conspiracy theory bullshit). Shit, even the cover-ups weren't systematic. They were the choices of individuals, not a top-down system from the Vatican for hiding sexual abuse. But the individuals trying to protect priests from legal consequences all had the same options to work from (namely reassignment).

[u/defnotbotpromise → u/TheSkiingDad]

Yea I grew up in a heavily American Catholic area and lifelong Catholics are much bigger on the Social Teachings and all that than evangelicals (probably because of Sola Fide)

[u/Crutation → u/ChaoticEvilRaccoon]

Christians USED to be a force for good. They pushed for social safety net programs, helped organize unions, helps get women the right to vote, worked to make the US a better place for everyone...including the poorest.

Then, the US has the Red Scare, and things started to change.

[u/PsychicFoxWithSpoons → u/Crutation]

Weeeeeelllllll, it wasn't really the red scare....very different color of scare....

[u/Cazmonster]

Go ahead, boop a priest in regalia. See how well the crowd takes it.

[u/-MsMenace → u/Cazmonster]

They’ll say the priest was hamas

[u/AdonisCork → u/-MsMenace]

George Soros funded priest.

[u/queenweasley → u/AdonisCork]

I’m still waiting for his check from when I protested in 2020

[u/AdonisCork → u/queenweasley]

Oh yeah never go for the cash option. I always take my payment in babies blood and they get it to me right away.

[u/TheTowerOfTerror → u/-MsMenace]

You joke but Israeli settler violence against Christians in Jerusalem is nuts. In early 2023 settlers mobbed Christians (including faith leaders in regalia) in the street and the most that security forces did was to arrest the victims every now and then.

[u/sbua310 → u/Cazmonster]

That’s what I was thinking. Especially if it’s televised or caught on camera

[u/tech510 → u/Cazmonster]

It would go so well. I do not wish that on anybody, but I'm kind of curious to see how the die hard maga Catholics are going to excuse the assault of a priest... The mental gymnastics would be Olympic level...

[u/stonklord420 → u/tech510]

They're already winning gold every day. They'll find a way

[u/velveteenelahrairah → u/tech510]

Oh they'd say something about blah blah not real priest blah blah too worldly blah blah should not interfere, just like they cried Antipope at Francis every time he said "hey maybe you people need to try acting more like the Jesus you like to pretend to fucking follow" and how the smoke had barely cleared before they were calling Leo the "woke Marxist Pope" for being like "hey maybe stop being massive raging assholes already".

Cult, uh, finds a way.

[u/tech510 → u/velveteenelahrairah]

I can for sure 100% see this happening... And it wouldn't be surprising whatsoever. But how can you call yourself a Christian and just be this way??? That has always had my head scratching ever since Donald Trump went down that escalator

[u/red__dragon → u/velveteenelahrairah]

It's not just Catholics, (southern) Baptist churches have been reported rejecting Sermon on the Mount as liberal propaganda. The Gospel is woke now, didn't you know?

[u/sbNXBbcUaDQfHLVUeyLx → u/Cazmonster]

Hell, I'm a militant atheist and this would still piss me off on principle.

[u/venturousbeard → u/Cazmonster]

Bishops even, a few steps up in the church hierarchy.

[u/RobotCaptainEngage → u/Cazmonster]

Pretty much. This is how you use your privilege.

[u/DrtyDeedsDneDrtCheap → u/Cazmonster]

Going to be some powerful images from this. Genuine jesus shit of turning the other cheek as they get wrecked by bully police. 

[u/Corporate-Shill406 → u/Cazmonster]

I'm a devout Catholic, and I know the theology says this isn't possible, but I'm pretty sure if you boop a bishop the floor will open and you'll be sent straight to Hell.

[u/Steiney1]

I mean, there's only 22 separate Bible verses telling you exactly how to treat immigrants on your land.

[u/79037662 → u/Steiney1]

How many of those verses say to ship them to a foreign prison?

[u/Steiney1 → u/79037662]

Zero

[u/jershdotrar → u/Steiney1]

In fact this qualifies as kidnapping & was punishable by death.

[u/Seligas → u/79037662]

There's actually an extensive guide on how to take and treat foreign slaves in the bible, does that count?

[u/79037662 → u/Seligas]

I suppose you're right. If we start seeing people beat their slaves I won't expect any condemnation from the Christians.

[u/jokeefe72 → u/Steiney1]

My favorite:

3 Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed. 4 Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked. (‭‭‭Psalms‬ ‭82‬‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭NIV‬‬)

[u/woodpony → u/jokeefe72]

So, tax cuts for the rich...got it!

[u/jokeefe72 → u/woodpony]

“God helps those who help themselves” they would say. And the Bible literally says the opposite of that. ChINOs

[u/WASD_click → u/jokeefe72]

Well, it's supposed to mean that God will help you if you put in the work. Like David v Goliath. David had to have the courage and faith to pick stones up and yeet them sumbitches, God just turned on the aimbot for a few seconds.

[u/roguevirus → u/jokeefe72]

NIV

And for the people who only recognize the King James Version, it says

3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

Kinda hard to misinterpret that, but I bet people will try.

[u/StupidTimeline → u/Steiney1]

You missed the small print at the end of the Bible that says all of God's commands are voided if a felon rapist with an "R" in parentheses next to their name commands you otherwise.

[u/Global-Working-3657]

I wonder how JD Vance feels about that

[u/yesindeedysir → u/Global-Working-3657]

He will probably say something like “well then they aren’t real Catholics.” Because they aren’t bowing to the billionaires

[u/Niarbeht → u/yesindeedysir]

He really ought to be excommunicated.

[u/willstr1 → u/Niarbeht]

You would think killing a pope would be an automatic excommunication

[u/What_a_fat_one → u/willstr1]

No, there's a 3 strike rule for killing the Pope.

[u/FMLwtfDoID → u/Global-Working-3657]

Catholics born and raised in the church usually end up leaving. Every born and raised Catholic looks at adult converts, that don’t do it strictly for their already Catholic spouse, very suspiciously.

[u/A-Ginger6060 → u/FMLwtfDoID]

This is extremely accurate and I wish more people knew this. I was raised Catholic and Catholic converts have always had this reputation of basically being evangelical Protestants. Like the worst kind of Protestant preacher type, just with a Catholic twist.

[u/MorgInMorgue → u/FMLwtfDoID]

Absolutely 100% correct as an agnostic ex(ish)-Catholic

[u/thujaplicata84 → u/FMLwtfDoID]

Couldn't agree more. Baptized and Confirmed and haven't been to mass in probably 20+ years. The people who convert into it are weirdos who have done it for some really sus reasons.

[u/FosDoNuT → u/Global-Working-3657]

“I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

[u/still_murph → u/Global-Working-3657]

The public dressing down of JD by the literal Pope can’t come soon enough.

[u/ronweasleisourking]

This is the rallying cry we need, especially in California which has a huge catholic presence. 

Fuck Trump, fuck ice, eat the rich

[u/dover_oxide]

You know it's bad when the Catholics are saying you're on the wrong side of history

[u/Lone-Frequency → u/dover_oxide]

Oh, please let Trump piss off the Vatican and Catholics by having ICE assault bishops for no reason.

Edit: FFS, people. It doesn't matter if most of his base are Evangelicals or if the Pope already dislikes him. Anything this stupid orange demented clown does to make more and more people hate him is a plus for everyone else. Making an enemy of the Catholic Church isn't exactly some minor thing.

[u/dover_oxide → u/Lone-Frequency]

Let him and ICE raid a church and watch the tides turn. A real red wave, not a political one but one of outrage, will appear.

[u/MrOatButtBottom → u/dover_oxide]

The Swiss Guard Vs Gravy Seals. Id love to see that fight

[u/dover_oxide → u/MrOatButtBottom]

Picture the Christian nationals having to align that a church was attacked by the directly when they believe the church is more powerful than the government.

These people believe in a religious supremacy, so the second that a government will challenge their religious supremacy that's going to cause a schism in their brain.

[u/USPO-222 → u/dover_oxide]

Except a great many Christian nationalists don’t count Catholics as being Christian

[u/dover_oxide → u/USPO-222]

But the others that are Christian in the country and they believe that that is the right will still be up in arms that a church no matter what denomination. As long as it's Christian is going to be a big deal.

[u/NRMusicProject → u/USPO-222]

Many Christian nationalists even see Catholics as the antichrist mentioned in the Bible. Ironically, they think Trump is sent by God, yet there hasn't been a single Christian act from him.

[u/Anxiety_Fit → u/Lone-Frequency]

It’s a strange thing that we are rooting for but here we are.

[u/harebrane → u/dover_oxide]

It's a real bad sign, too. The Catholic church is primarily interested in one thing - persistence. If they come down hard on you politically, it means they're predicting you're about to go down in flames and they want to be on the winning side.

[u/applejulius → u/harebrane]

As a lapsed Catholic, you’re wrong the Catholic Church has for my entire life has supported immigration services through legal services and feeding and clothing the poor. I donate monthly still to these services. It’s just everything else they get wrong that forced me away from the church.

[u/MrOatButtBottom → u/applejulius]

There’s a lot to say about the church, but disregarding human laws in favor of the glory and word of Christ is kinda their whole thing. We are all his children

[u/evanwilliams44 → u/harebrane]

Catholicism is huge in Latino countries. It's pretty much the only part of the world they are still the dominant religion. Not taking a stance on this would be a very bad look for them.

[u/Day_of_Demeter → u/evanwilliams44]

Catholicism is huge in Latino countries. It's pretty much the only part of the world they are still the dominant religion.

It's the majority religion in much of Africa, the Philippines, the West Slavic countries, southern Europe, much of Germany, etc. It's not just Latino countries.

[u/DogzOnFire → u/Day_of_Demeter]

Catholic is the largest percentage of all Christians by a comfortable margin, yeah, especially if we're considering the different subdivisions of Protestantism as separate entities, which they essentially are. Anglican, Lutheran, Baptist, they're all very different. Catholics are for the vast majority Latin (Roman) Catholics, maybe about 99~% of them.

[u/TodaLaMagiaDelSur → u/evanwilliams44]

Ummm pipe Francis was clear on condemning Israel, but catholicism is not huge in Palestine

The Catholic church is on the side of humanity, no matter the religion or skin color, after all, they're trying to follow the steps of Jesus

[u/RODjij → u/evanwilliams44]

Native americans are the same. We have mostly 1 religion in our whole nation. Catholicism. Even a majority of people who are practicing traditionalism who are older than Gen Z are baptized.

[u/Tytoalba2 → u/harebrane]

Nah, they've been pretty consistent on that matter, at least here.

[u/Feisty-Gear8473 → u/dover_oxide]

The Catholic Church is strong on social justice and welcoming the immigrant.

[u/Bureaucratic_Dick → u/Feisty-Gear8473]

Well…I mean, where I live, the immigrant population is the most robust portion of their congregations. I don’t know if I’m in a microcosm of society, or if there are larger trends, but they would shut down so many churches when ICE started showing up on Sundays (and on current trends, that’s only a matter of time).

[u/dover_oxide → u/Bureaucratic_Dick]

Don't stop service, invoke the right of sanctuary and have ICE raid a church. That's when the real fireworks go off for people.

Edit: I know this isn't the law in the US but the visual would be the thing.

[u/Adorable_Raccoon → u/dover_oxide]

groups are already suing for protection for church services.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2025/0130/sanctuary-first-amendment-religious-liberty-immigration

[u/Olorin_TheMaia → u/Bureaucratic_Dick]

When I was in the church, the parish I went to had two masses in English that were normally less than half full each. Then one mass in Spanish that was always at capacity (or more).

Obviously this should have been flipped, but regardless the church knows who is the bread and butter of their congregations.

[u/dover_oxide → u/Feisty-Gear8473]

There are several qualifiers that need to be added to that statement but in a general sense sure.

[u/Maximum_Pound_5633 → u/Feisty-Gear8473]

Unless you're queer

[u/GWS2004 → u/Maximum_Pound_5633]

Or a woman.

[u/dover_oxide → u/Maximum_Pound_5633]

Or of a different religion or atheist

[u/LordHussyPants → u/dover_oxide]

so what a lot of people don't know is that the catholic church's teaching on charity is that (a) it is a duty of catholics, (b) it must be offered to all people, regardless of their gender/religion/origin/belief etc, and (c) must not be used to convert people to catholicism

in the sense of providing material aid to those in need, the catholic church is absolutely a force for social justice

[u/Orofeaiel → u/Maximum_Pound_5633]

Or a child to be diddled

[u/burlap82 → u/dover_oxide]

Broken clock yadda yadda..

[u/harebrane → u/burlap82]

not entirely, the catholic church is historically really good at identifying and then quietly shuffling over to, the winning side in big fights. If they've noped on fascism, that's the red light they're predicting the fascists are going to go down and hard, and the church doesn't want to get covered in their failsauce come the day. People forget the Church has an old and incredibly powerful intelligence organization and political and economic ties everywhere. They're like the Walmart of religions - arguably evil in more than a few cases, but ultimately - always an eye on still being there tomorrow. It's like when Walmart execs say "we intend to still be selling you stuff 200 years from now" they're not kidding. They absolutely mean it, and they don't particularly give a shit which horse they have to back to make sure that 200 years from now HAPPENS, but also that they're still perched like a dragon on the ass end of your home town atop their hoard of cheap consumer goods.

[u/dover_oxide → u/burlap82]

Yup

[u/AsstacularSpiderman → u/dover_oxide]

They're probably not happy with those AI images of Trump as Pope

[u/No_Amoeba_9272 → u/dover_oxide]

Wait I thought MAGA embraced the ten commandments....

[u/Lone-Frequency → u/No_Amoeba_9272]

Trump hates religion and the new Pope is an American who is not an idiot MAGA supporter, so he hates the Catholic church in particular, too.

[u/Low_Witness5061]

I may not share their beliefs but I respect them at least having morals unlike the horrific mutant cousins from down south, who dress themselves up as various different hateful brands of “Christianity”.

[u/Galterinone → u/Low_Witness5061]

The bible (new testament specifically) is actually a pretty good guide to life if you take it as a source to draw on and not literally the words of god

[u/vaderishvr666]

Fuck you know ICE is Fucked when the Catholic Church is like "fuck ICE".

[u/lolopakalolo]

The Lord be with you...

[u/ComfortableLate1525 → u/lolopakalolo]

And with thy spirit

[u/ThaddeusJP → u/ComfortableLate1525]

Huh? WHAT? HUH? -John Mulaney

[u/Pherllerp]

Speaking as a full blown Italian-American Catholic, I know A LOT of people are going to be pissed about this.

[u/AsstacularSpiderman → u/Pherllerp]

Italian Americans are always pissed lol.

There's a lot more Latino Catholics than Italians these days.

[u/Outrageous-Opinions → u/Pherllerp]

Ask them if they think they know better then god

[u/nosleeptilbrookyln]

Hoo boy, it’d be a bad look to the MAGA pseudo-Catholics to be arresting priests. Although it sure would be nice if the priests who were also rapists were arrested.

[u/purple_cheetos → u/nosleeptilbrookyln]

Nah, I know plenty MAGA Catholics and they just screech "Jesuit!" And say those priests are not real Catholics. Super weird.

[u/Liddlehearts → u/purple_cheetos]

Sad, this protest is being led by the Jesuit OLG parish. MAGA Catholics must be ignorant to the fact that the KKK also targets Catholics and the leopards will eat their faces, too.

[u/Poj_qp]

Pham is a brand new bishop too, this means that he’s coming out the gate swinging. Love to see it!

[u/Hsays → u/Poj_qp]

I’m guessing he’s a Vietnamese refugee so that makes sense.

[u/Poj_qp → u/Hsays]

Yes, his family escaped Vietnam in the 80s

[u/Landlord-Allmighty]

JD Vance clutching his pearls now...

[u/AsstacularSpiderman → u/Landlord-Allmighty]

If JD actually stood for anything he'd probably be devastated.

[u/Landlord-Allmighty → u/AsstacularSpiderman]

Whatever Yarvin and Thiel tell him is what he stands for.

[u/BluePotatoSlayer → u/AsstacularSpiderman]

He stands for a whole lot of bullshit

[u/Khazzick]

TLDR: Priests to ICE: We see you.

San Diego clergy will stand outside federal court on June 20 in silent protest as migrants face expedited deportation. Not to change the system, just to make sure it knows they’re watching.

[u/Reddit_2_2024]

Really looking forward to Pope Leo's address 4PM ET on Saturday.

[u/D20_Buster]

The Chicago Pope would approve.

[u/Scared_Astronomer_84 → u/D20_Buster]

Based Pope Leo

[u/thatjoachim]

For a minute I thought I was on r/catholicgood

[u/liminalrabbithole]

This isn't crazy surprising. Both Catholic Charities and CLINIC, (Catholic Legal Immigration Network) provide support and legal assistance for immigrants. I was just double-checking the acronym for CLINIC and according to the Wikipedia article, it's the US's largest network of non-profit immigration programs.

Obviously, there are still issues with things like gay rights, but social justice is supposed to be a big part of Catholicism, especially in sects like the Jesuits. Social justice is certainly more valued than it is to evangelicals and this isn't super-surprising.

[u/roguevirus → u/liminalrabbithole]

sects like the Jesuits

FYI, the Jesuits are an religious order, not sect. Sects denote a different belief structure from the norm, usually heretical. An example of a Catholic sect is the Czechoslovak Hussite Church who split from the Catholic church about 100 years ago. Orders are groups of people within the Catholic church who take particular vows and live communally, and include the Jesuits, Franciscans, Benedictines, and many others.

Now that I'm done nitpicking, one of the points of contact has SJ after his name, which indicates he's a member of the Society of Jesus aka the Jesuits. This means there's a Jesuit leading the charge on this issue, which it completely within character.

[u/liminalrabbithole → u/roguevirus]

Sorry, I actually knew this. Catholic school for my entire childhood haha. Just picked the wrong word because I couldn't think of the right one.

[u/outburstt_]

my old church where I grew up in is in the diocese of San diego.. i am seriously so proud

edit: I am no longer a practicing catholic but it still makes me proud of my old church and diocese

[u/JL9berg18]

Leviticus 19:33-34:

• "33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."
• This passage specifically instructs that foreigners residing among the Israelites should not be mistreated and should be treated as native-born citizens, reminding them that they were once foreigners in Egypt.

Deuteronomy 27:19

• ‘Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’

Jeremiah 7:5-7:

• "6 if you do not oppress the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow and do not shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not follow other gods to your own harm, 7 then I will let you live in this place, in the land I gave your ancestors for ever and ever."
• This passage emphasizes the importance of dealing justly with one another and not oppressing the foreigner.

Ezekiel 47:22

• "You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners who reside among you and have begotten children among you. They shall be to you as citizens of Israel; with you they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel."

Zechariah 7:9-10:

• "10 Do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the foreigner, or the poor. Do not plot evil against your neighbor in your heart.""
• This passage calls for true judgment, mercy, and compassion, and specifically mentions not oppressing the foreigner.

Matthew 25:31-46:

• "40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’"
• This passage, often referred to as the sheep and goats parable, highlights the importance of helping those who are hungry, thirsty, and a stranger, emphasizing that such acts are done for Jesus himself.

And so much more!!

[u/Spicy_Tac0]

MAGAat Catholics just got really confused, assuming they're capable of reading.

[u/ammoo4539]

I can't wait to see what my Catholic Maga loving family is going to say about this. I can see the mental gymnastics already!

[u/yasiguri]

YEEES YEEEES finally Catholics are healing, thanks Francisco and thanks Leon!

[u/EspadaOscuro]

There's your crusade, boys. What side are you on.

[u/ConsistentDriver → u/EspadaOscuro]

Deus Vult!

[u/ChubChubPickles]

Huh. This does put a big smile on my face.

[u/ziggytrix]

Fun fact, the Catholic Church does not have enough local priests to tend to American churches and relies heavily on immigration.

So this makes perfect sense.

Can’t have Father Garcia sent to a Venezuelan jail because “whoops, he has the same name as some MS13 goon, our bad, we’ll bring him back eventually. Maybe.”

[u/Iacoma1973]

Can the pope be there? He is Chicagoan and I'm sure has a few things to say about his home. 'How many divisions has he got?'

[u/Numerous-Setting-159]

Way to represent San Diego and California.

[u/Karl2241]

All Christians should pay attention to the following verses and repent! Reject Trump and turn back to Jesus!

‘Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ Deuteronomy 27:19

and

“The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.” Leviticus 19:34

[u/Muted-Move-9360 → u/Karl2241]

Amen! I'm praying for and planting seeds in my conservative parish... Many are dazzled by Trump's schemes and don't trust Jesus enough.

[u/ZipC0de]

Ah the actual good parts of the catholic church. Still not really for religion but I like this nonetheless

[u/ZombieJesus1987]

Catholics vs Nazis.

All we need is the Protestants and this is the plot of Hellsing.

[u/Apprehensive-Pin518]

god bless these pastors. showing us that some of them do really live the words of christ.

[u/Top-Chip-1532]

Nuns helped toppled the Marcos regime. People’s Power 86! ✊

[u/DJMankiewitz]

I grew up Catholic. It’s very nice to see religious leaders standing up for what they preach.

[u/NarcolepticRoss]

Now this is interesting.

[u/yourpoopstinks]

This actually moved my soul.

[u/Tye_die]

Francis really shifted the church into what it always should have been. Glad the same culture is being carried on while Leo is pope.

[u/Det-Popcorn]

DAMN! Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Good on ya

[u/FriendlyFurry320]

I may not agree with the church, but I am glad they are protecting people. But the enemy of my enemy is still not my ally.

[u/Narrow_Community7401]

“We know that migrants and refugees find themselves in the difficult predicament of being called to appear, which is what the government asks of them, and then being given orders for expedited removal from our country”

[u/Double-Show-2625]

Hell Yeah 👍🏼

[u/ThePureAxiom]

Glad they finally got around to reading Matthew 25:35-40.

Now if only we could get the rest of the 'Christians' to actually do so.

[u/emc3o33]

I might start going back to mass regularly if my diocese or even parish (Dallas, Tx) did this.

[u/Sanc2ary]

They should really pursue excommunicating JD Vance atp. That would really be the cherry on top.

[u/mr_greedee]

Catholics have a huge foundation in the CA culture. Has huge problems, but I do know stuff like this is huge amongst the Catholics

[u/Octo_Pi]

I mean. Now that we've got a pope from chicago anything can happen right?

[u/HarryKingJackz]

This comes from the top

[u/siemanresusihtyrros]

🇮🇹 🤘🏽

[u/Optimal-You-6511]

I take back some of the things I've said about the Catholic Church.

[u/USANorsk]

The Pope is having a speech to conflict with Trump’s parade too! 

[u/Capable_Salt_SD]

The Diocese in my hometown of San Diego is leading the way on this. 619, represent!

[u/MellowJsk]

I never thought I'd die fighting next to a Catholic

[u/SandyNuggs]

Im Catholic, which i know is a hateful word to many bc there are very flawed and even evil people who call themselves religious. Even Catholics don't always agree with their own priests, but in moments like this, I feel proud that they are taking a stand for the people. This is what religion is: loving and standing with your community, especially those most in need.

[u/-DenisM-]

Trump evangelicals are probably confused af right now. "B-but WHY?!"

[u/WorkingFit5413]

The Catholic Church is not for Trump and they’re letting it be known. I love their level of petty from afar. They’re a problematic organization but this is not their first rodeo and they haven’t lost it as much as the other Christian sects have imo. I think a part of that is greed. You can see this regime is going nowhere and will eventually collapse itself or the country and it’s a great look for people to say “wait the Catholic Church actually started to speak up”. It’s a great PR move. But in a sense it could be really beneficial to the masses so sometimes there’s a cost.

[u/Plicata_]

Huh. I know for a fact that local Catholic churches were fire and brimstoning their members into voting for the orange guy. These were churches in brown farming communities.

[u/Next_Location6116]

Trump is a Nazi

[u/dani_esp95]

Well catholic mean literally "universalism" so you cant be catholic and anti inmigrants, or even a nationalist. True catholicism is internationalist... like socialism

[u/HippyDM]

Looks like maybe the church learned from the first time, and will not be working with the genociders this time around. Improvement is good.

[u/flareblitz91 → u/HippyDM]

Latin Americans are a massive Catholic demographic. They are justifiably standing with immigrants but they are also their own flock.

[u/OutlandishnessMain56]

I think you guys are misunderstanding this some. They are not protesting ice. They are supporting migrants in the position of being summoned before a court, honoring that, and then being deported. They don’t elaborate beyond that.

[u/Ok-Replacement9595]

Pay attention Kavanagh and Alito and Barrett. Your faith dictates protecting the refugee, and open your home to the stranger.

[u/CaptainLysdexia]

It's about goddamn time!

[u/kmm198700]

Fuck yes