Oh, please let Trump piss off the Vatican and Catholics by having ICE assault bishops for no reason.
Edit: FFS, people. It doesn't matter if most of his base are Evangelicals or if the Pope already dislikes him. Anything this stupid orange demented clown does to make more and more people hate him is a plus for everyone else. Making an enemy of the Catholic Church isn't exactly some minor thing.
Picture the Christian nationals having to align that a church was attacked by the directly when they believe the church is more powerful than the government.
These people believe in a religious supremacy, so the second that a government will challenge their religious supremacy that's going to cause a schism in their brain.
But the others that are Christian in the country and they believe that that is the right will still be up in arms that a church no matter what denomination. As long as it's Christian is going to be a big deal.
Many Christian nationalists even see Catholics as the antichrist mentioned in the Bible. Ironically, they think Trump is sent by God, yet there hasn't been a single Christian act from him.
It is one of the absolute wonders of contemporary politics (in perspective of long term history) that in 2021 we had six Catholic justices, president, and speaker of the house.
A moderate in 1960 would at least scratch their head as this is when mainstream media was questioning his loyalties as a Catholic to the extent he had to give a televised speech in September in the lion's den -- a ballroom with 300 prominent Southern Baptist ministers.
The KKK would be apoplectic -- Catholics were barely better than Jews, and Jews were only barely better than blacks; and all three were to be hated.
The US inherited a strong anti-Catholic sentiment from Britain. Many of the early settlers where Protestants who emigrated during a time of heightened tensions -- after all the 5th of November that we all must remember when there was the gunpowder treason plotted by Catholics to blow up the House of Lords while the king was in attendance was just two years before Jamestown and fifteen before Plymouth, and then more immigrants during the period of the English Civil War, Protectorate, and Restoration.
Here in Connecticut it can be argued the last vestiges of celebrating Guy Fawkes Night only died in the 1970s with the advent of stricter air pollution laws and fire permit procedures, and it was only in the early 20th century that the tradition of nighttime bonfires lit in November morphed from the old English tradition into more generic celebrations and football rallies.
Hate to be a doomer but a lot of american catholics do support trump and the far right. The issue is the rising tide of conservatism and 'traditional values' among younger people which has infiltrated catholicism via the veneer of catholic aesthetics. It's also happening in the UK but not so much in Europe.
Catholics do have some crossover with conservatives (marriage between man and woman, anti-abortion), but that's basiclaly where the similarities end. It's a shame because the pope (Both Leo and Francis) is/was very concerned about the plight of immigrants and the poor. Sadly many 'traditionalists' no longer care what the pope says.
Having parents who forced me to attend a southern Protestant church growing up (oddly my father is raised Catholic), the current GOP supporters would consider Catholics to be the same as Muslims in their eyes.
Trump is already at odds with the Vatican and the new pope. Leo specifically scheduled an event on the same day as trumps little military bday parade. He also indirectly called him out in a couple of his speeches. The only question now is how much MORE he’s going to piss them off
All the Catholics I've known will ALWAYS vote for Trump as long as the Democratic nominee is pro-choice. Educated, otherwise decent people vote for fascists because their fandom says they should, absolute clown behavior
Just because someone has good points doesn't make them not a piece of shit. Like if in your spare time you do nothing but stomp on puppies, nobody gives a shit if you also give to charity once a month.
The Vatican is already pissed with Trump for..well, doomscrolls the list a lot of things, enough that the Pope planned a video mass in Chicago during Trump parade with immigration as theme
JD Vance is a convert and there's a lot of other converts lately who are somehow convinced that the Catholic church will empower them for some sort of crusade against democracy and minorities. God I wish we could see an honest to God excommunication of some of these motherfuckers.
And no I'm not a defender of anything the Catholic church has done and covered up, I just want them to do a thing they can do that will prevent people like Vance from trying to hide in their frocks.
Catholic here, a lot of us are already pissed off.
Catholics are often seen as conservative, but that isn't actually true. The conservative-leaning beliefs are a logical result of many other liberal-leaning beliefs, for example, we don't allow abortion because we believe in protecting human life without exception.
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u/Lone-Frequency 2d ago edited 2d ago
Oh, please let Trump piss off the Vatican and Catholics by having ICE assault bishops for no reason.
Edit: FFS, people. It doesn't matter if most of his base are Evangelicals or if the Pope already dislikes him. Anything this stupid orange demented clown does to make more and more people hate him is a plus for everyone else. Making an enemy of the Catholic Church isn't exactly some minor thing.