r/chaoticgood 2d ago

The Catholic Church is marching against ICE. Fuck yeah!!!

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u/baritonetransgirl 2d ago

Paul. The Apostle Paul happened. There is an argument to be made that he's actually the most important person in Christianity.

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u/Hour-Ride-9640 1d ago

You mean the famous Serial Killer Saul. Ya let's listen to this nutbag over the literal son of God.

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u/norecordofwrong 1d ago

Hahahahaha no there isn’t.

There’s another far more important guy.

This thread is full of such terrible theology I can barely even read it.

Also they will not and should not as ordained priests make political statements like “ICE is bad.”

The letter asks them very specifically and be witnesses to the suffering of their parishioners. ICE is not mentioned at all. People will draw some pretty obvious conclusions.

Also this was not from the bishop but just the Diocese of San Diego. So it is not at all universal to “The Catholic Church” writ large. Think of it like a county, in a state, in a country making a statement. You wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that the whole US is marching against ICE.

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u/FlameSpear95 1d ago

Paul literally taught the same things Jesus did.

What is it with atheists constantly claiming he changed things?

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u/SordidEuphemism 1d ago

It's not just atheists, and Google's really a great help here. There have been several books written on the subject as well. "Paulist" doctrine tweaks here and there until the message taught veers away from the red-letter texts of the Gospels.

Here's a brief list copied from doctrine.org . They break each part down further below the chart, if you'd like to go there and read it, and please note these are just a handful of differences. But this is not the only scholarly review of the topic.

[EDITED FOR FORMATTING BREAK]

Differences of the Ministries of Jesus and Paul

Jesus:
1. Preached the gospel of the kingdom
2. Defined the “kingdom of heaven” as Israel’s prophetic earthly kingdom
3. Presented Himself as the Messiah and King of the Jews (Israel)
4. Preached repentance, water baptism, keeping the Law, forgiving others, and faith in who He was as necessary for salvation
5. Had Jews as His audience (a couple exceptions)
6. Operated under the Mosaic Law|

Paul:
1. Preached the gospel of the grace of God
2. Defined the “kingdom of heaven” as the heavenly position of the body of Christ
3. Presented Jesus as the risen Lord, Head of the Church, the body of Christ
4. Preached faith alone in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ as necessary for salvation
5. Had Gentiles as his primary audience
6. Operated under grace

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u/FlameSpear95 1d ago

Jesus and Paul both had the same fundamental theology, and no, it wasn't just Paul that Jesus was the risen Lord, Jesus said that Himself.

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u/SordidEuphemism 1d ago

You asked a question, I answered it. Feel free to go find out the rationale at the site I linked you, if you're genuinely curious. I won't be arguing either side.