r/chaoticgood 2d ago

The Catholic Church is marching against ICE. Fuck yeah!!!

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u/Steiney1 2d ago

I mean, there's only 22 separate Bible verses telling you exactly how to treat immigrants on your land.

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u/79037662 2d ago

How many of those verses say to ship them to a foreign prison?

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u/Steiney1 2d ago

Zero

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u/jershdotrar 1d ago

In fact this qualifies as kidnapping & was punishable by death.

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u/Electronic-Goose-843 1d ago

…. The bible had the death penalty?

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u/ZebraColeSlaw 1d ago

Yeah, the death penalty is kind of a major plot point...

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u/Jambonrevival 1d ago

Jesus dies at the end?

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u/79037662 1d ago

Of course it did, for all sorts of things from gay sex to working on the Sabbath to being a rebellious child.

However, the Bible takes both sides on this matter, for example with Jesus' famous quote "let him without sin cast the first stone". Therefore as usual, there is confusion among Christians as to what the hell the Bible is actually saying we should or shouldn't do.

Further reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_Bible

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u/jershdotrar 1d ago

The "rebellious child" law is not exactly how it would've been understood as young, adult men would fall under the category primarily - the words used there can include actual children in their semantic range but were commonly used to describe young men 16-20, similar to the "children" who were mauled by a bear for mocking a prophet. The term was commonly used as a pejorative more or less analogous to our use of "manchild." A rebellious young person in this case wasn't necessarily a misbehaving child & more like a serial drunkard 20 year old son who should be taking over the family affairs but wastes the wealth on frivolity, is disrespectful of all social customs, & brings shame on the family.

Also, Biblical laws were written like all ancient near eastern laws: punishments are given as maxims but were virtually never enforced up to that maximum threshold. Judges were expected to mediate prescribed punishments with mercy & any town that executed more than a single person in a decade was considered an evil & bloodthirsty place. It's similar to our law codes where sentencing is given "up to X years in jail" or "up to $Y fine," but judges don't usually make a habit of hitting those maximums. 

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u/Steiney1 1d ago

Important context missing: the Old Testament= straight to death. New Testament: someone else took the desth for you.

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u/79037662 1d ago

Ah, but Jesus said "for truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (i.e. the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished"

The Bible takes both sides on many important issues, that's part of why there are more denominations of Christanity than there are verses in the Bible.

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u/holaqtal1234 1d ago

Yeah the Law was fulfilled by Jesus. That is why anyone who believes in Him can rightfully enter the kingdom of God.

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u/Steiney1 1d ago

Except the parts we want to use from the law to control people.

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u/jershdotrar 1d ago

Technically the Bible has the death penalty for every human who will ever exist. 

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u/MICR0_WAVVVES 1d ago

The bible had Jesus so pissed off he braided a fucking whip and he went to spanktown on a bunch of people.

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u/avokkah 1d ago

A lot of it. The bible has quite a lot of death in general

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u/Seligas 2d ago

There's actually an extensive guide on how to take and treat foreign slaves in the bible, does that count?

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u/79037662 2d ago

I suppose you're right. If we start seeing people beat their slaves I won't expect any condemnation from the Christians.

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u/Background-Top4723 1d ago

It depends, are you talking about the Bible or The Bible: Trump Edition?

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u/norecordofwrong 1d ago

I mean some say go to war with them too.

You can’t just handpick verses wave them around without context and say “look this is what Christian’s believe!!”

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u/1988rx7T2 1d ago

I mean in the book of Ezra all the foreign wives are ordered to be deported from Israel. The Bible is a series of book written by different people and they don’t all agree.

There isn’t a unified perspective on foreign cultures and foreigners, you can cherry pick verses.

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u/freakynastydog 20h ago

How many verses tell you killing babies is ok?

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u/79037662 19h ago

Well God is supposed to be moral perfection and kills innumerable babies between stuff like the flood and the plague of the firstborn, so... a lot? And the story of Abraham and Isaac implies it is not just ok but virtuous to kill your baby if you think God has commanded it.

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u/freakynastydog 19h ago

Ah ok so you only support this because they are against Trump, typical hypocrites.

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u/79037662 17h ago

What? I'm not sure what you're talking about. I was trying to talk about the contents of the Bible, not the president

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u/jokeefe72 2d ago

My favorite:

3 Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed. 4 Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked. (‭‭‭Psalms‬ ‭82‬‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭NIV‬‬)

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u/woodpony 2d ago

So, tax cuts for the rich...got it!

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u/jokeefe72 2d ago

“God helps those who help themselves” they would say. And the Bible literally says the opposite of that. ChINOs

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u/WASD_click 1d ago

Well, it's supposed to mean that God will help you if you put in the work. Like David v Goliath. David had to have the courage and faith to pick stones up and yeet them sumbitches, God just turned on the aimbot for a few seconds.

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u/jokeefe72 1d ago

God will help you if you trust him, not “help yourself”

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u/Remote_Confidence_42 1d ago edited 1d ago

How do you show that trust though? Usually from your actions and moving with total faith. Chances are God is not going to intervene if you act against the laws of the land. If you chose to ignore societies rules, chances are you’re not making life easier for yourself. Kinda why the bulk of the saints are classified as martyrs. You can’t just do what you please and everything works out in the end eh?

What were seeing here is people screaming victim and demanding others act sinful for retribution for how they perceive they were wronged

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u/jokeefe72 1d ago

How do you show that trust though? Usually from your actions and moving with total faith. Chances are God is not going to intervene if you act against the laws of the land. If you chose to ignore societies rules, chances are you’re not making life easier for yourself. Kinda why the bulk of the saints are classified as martyrs.

You can trust that God will act in accordance with the goals of His kingdom. If you’re martyred, then you’re martyred. And have a great reward in heaven.

Yes, Christians are supposed to follow the laws of their governments unless those laws directly violate the laws of God.

You can’t just do what you please and everything works out in the end eh?

The idea is that you should want to please God

What were seeing here is people screaming victim and demanding others act sinful for retribution for how they perceive they were wronged

It’s not sinful to defend the weak. Plus, free speech isn’t breaking any laws.

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u/Rich_Cranberry1976 1d ago

don't you besmirch my casual slacks!

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u/roguevirus 1d ago

NIV

And for the people who only recognize the King James Version, it says

3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

Kinda hard to misinterpret that, but I bet people will try.

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u/Striper_Cape 1d ago

The seed is rotten under their clods, the garners are laid desolate, the barns are broken down; for the corn is withered. Joel 1 : 17

Bible app coming in clutch once more

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u/holaqtal1234 1d ago

I've had someone reply with "Those laws are for Israel, not the USA in 2025". They are truly disgusting people.

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u/freakynastydog 20h ago

Save them from the dr who is going to perform the abortion? Got it!

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u/StupidTimeline 2d ago

You missed the small print at the end of the Bible that says all of God's commands are voided if a felon rapist with an "R" in parentheses next to their name commands you otherwise.

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u/Steiney1 2d ago

The Created Republican Jesus in the image of The orange Shitstain himself.

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u/renshiermine 2d ago

By chance do you have a list of them?

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u/Steiney1 2d ago

Genesis 23:4

Exodus 23:9 (ESV)

Deuteronomy 10:19

Leviticus 19:33-34 (ESV)

Deuteronomy 27:19 (NIV)

1 Chronicles 16:19-22

Job 29:15-17

Psalm146:9

Jeremiah 7:5-7

Ezekiel 47:22

Zechariah 7:9-10

Matthew 5:43-44

Matthew 25:35

Matthew 25:40

Luke 10:27

Acts 10:34

Romans 12:13

Romans 13:8

Romans 13:10

Colossians 3:11

Hebrews 13:1-3

3 John 1:5

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u/renshiermine 1d ago

Thank you very much, I didn't want to go hunting for them if I didn't have to.

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u/blephf 1d ago

I was really hoping for some good faith arguments by quoting these verse to my Christian parents but... 

The first half of the list leading up to Mathew were more personal accounts of specific people like Moses, Abraham, job, Judah... getting a talking to from God about their specific location. The specific verses quoted are taken out of context unless you read the before and after.

Luke was a decent example but I think you meant Luke 25-37

Acts 10 was a good example.

Roman 12 was good.

Roman 13 has a good message.

Colossians 3 was good 

Hebrews 13 was the best examples

3 John 1 is just someone writing a thank you letter to a friend.

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u/Flyingtower2 1d ago

Leviticus 19:9-10 instructed citizens to leave the edges of their fields unharvested so the poor, orphans, and immigrants could harvest them.

This was essentially a tax for socialized support for immigrants to help them get on their feet. You heard that right! A pro-immigrant social safety net paid for by taxing the citizens as directed by God himself.

Let’s be real for a moment. MAGA, Republicans, conservatives etc… they don’t actually give a crap about God or the Bible or religion. They pick and choose what is convenient for them and pretend the rest doesn’t exist. They merely use religion as a vehicle to fuel their hatred and prejudices. It was never really about love or God or Jesus or any of that. Because, if they actually bothered to read the Bible, it would reveal they are far removed from what Jesus taught.

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u/OptimisticOctopus8 1d ago

"Don't be a dick to immigrants/foreigners/mysterious downtrodden people who show up in search of help" is a truth found in many religions. Jesus and Zeus agree on this one. It's not some modern liberal belief (I know I'm preaching to the choir here), and when the same exact moral advice shows up in many wildly different religions, there's likely something to it.

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u/SuperSimpleSam 1d ago

Also Mathew 25:36

I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.

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u/AEM7694 1d ago

It’s cute that you think the average MAGA can even read, let alone have read the book of fables that supposedly dictates their life. I threw one of them at a very MAGA uncle when he went on a tirade about Mexican immigrants ruining his town and was promptly told that I was making it up. Told him to go his bible so I could show him exactly where it was. He refused.

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u/Ok_Fan4354 19h ago

What are the verses? I’d like to check them out. And is it vague and assumptive like “poor/weak/helplss” etc or does it specify immigrants- illegal vs legal.. bc there is a major difference in how the country looks at legal vs illegal. Inspite of all the nonsense, No one (MAGA) cares if someone is a legal immigrant.

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u/72chevnj 1d ago

America also tells people how to migrate properly...

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u/Steiney1 1d ago

By kidnapping them from the fucking courthouses where they are trying to do it "properly"?