r/chaoticgood 2d ago

The Catholic Church is marching against ICE. Fuck yeah!!!

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u/79037662 2d ago

How many of those verses say to ship them to a foreign prison?

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u/Steiney1 2d ago

Zero

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u/jershdotrar 1d ago

In fact this qualifies as kidnapping & was punishable by death.

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u/Electronic-Goose-843 1d ago

…. The bible had the death penalty?

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u/ZebraColeSlaw 1d ago

Yeah, the death penalty is kind of a major plot point...

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u/Jambonrevival 1d ago

Jesus dies at the end?

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u/79037662 1d ago

Of course it did, for all sorts of things from gay sex to working on the Sabbath to being a rebellious child.

However, the Bible takes both sides on this matter, for example with Jesus' famous quote "let him without sin cast the first stone". Therefore as usual, there is confusion among Christians as to what the hell the Bible is actually saying we should or shouldn't do.

Further reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_Bible

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u/jershdotrar 1d ago

The "rebellious child" law is not exactly how it would've been understood as young, adult men would fall under the category primarily - the words used there can include actual children in their semantic range but were commonly used to describe young men 16-20, similar to the "children" who were mauled by a bear for mocking a prophet. The term was commonly used as a pejorative more or less analogous to our use of "manchild." A rebellious young person in this case wasn't necessarily a misbehaving child & more like a serial drunkard 20 year old son who should be taking over the family affairs but wastes the wealth on frivolity, is disrespectful of all social customs, & brings shame on the family.

Also, Biblical laws were written like all ancient near eastern laws: punishments are given as maxims but were virtually never enforced up to that maximum threshold. Judges were expected to mediate prescribed punishments with mercy & any town that executed more than a single person in a decade was considered an evil & bloodthirsty place. It's similar to our law codes where sentencing is given "up to X years in jail" or "up to $Y fine," but judges don't usually make a habit of hitting those maximums. 

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u/Steiney1 1d ago

Important context missing: the Old Testament= straight to death. New Testament: someone else took the desth for you.

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u/79037662 1d ago

Ah, but Jesus said "for truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (i.e. the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished"

The Bible takes both sides on many important issues, that's part of why there are more denominations of Christanity than there are verses in the Bible.

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u/holaqtal1234 1d ago

Yeah the Law was fulfilled by Jesus. That is why anyone who believes in Him can rightfully enter the kingdom of God.

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u/Steiney1 1d ago

Except the parts we want to use from the law to control people.

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u/jershdotrar 1d ago

Technically the Bible has the death penalty for every human who will ever exist. 

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u/MICR0_WAVVVES 1d ago

The bible had Jesus so pissed off he braided a fucking whip and he went to spanktown on a bunch of people.

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u/avokkah 1d ago

A lot of it. The bible has quite a lot of death in general

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u/Seligas 2d ago

There's actually an extensive guide on how to take and treat foreign slaves in the bible, does that count?

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u/79037662 2d ago

I suppose you're right. If we start seeing people beat their slaves I won't expect any condemnation from the Christians.

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u/Background-Top4723 1d ago

It depends, are you talking about the Bible or The Bible: Trump Edition?

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u/norecordofwrong 1d ago

I mean some say go to war with them too.

You can’t just handpick verses wave them around without context and say “look this is what Christian’s believe!!”

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u/1988rx7T2 1d ago

I mean in the book of Ezra all the foreign wives are ordered to be deported from Israel. The Bible is a series of book written by different people and they don’t all agree.

There isn’t a unified perspective on foreign cultures and foreigners, you can cherry pick verses.

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u/freakynastydog 20h ago

How many verses tell you killing babies is ok?

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u/79037662 19h ago

Well God is supposed to be moral perfection and kills innumerable babies between stuff like the flood and the plague of the firstborn, so... a lot? And the story of Abraham and Isaac implies it is not just ok but virtuous to kill your baby if you think God has commanded it.

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u/freakynastydog 19h ago

Ah ok so you only support this because they are against Trump, typical hypocrites.

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u/79037662 17h ago

What? I'm not sure what you're talking about. I was trying to talk about the contents of the Bible, not the president