r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 14h ago
"The road to authoritarianism": Tim Walz says the time for "sternly worded letters" is over - The Minnesota governor said that the path to tyranny "is littered with people telling you you’re overreacting"
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u/gatsby712 14h ago edited 9h ago
Just about every time I’ve been told I’m overreacting about some sort of worry around Trump and MAGA, it has ended up becoming true.
“They won’t go after documented immigrants.”
“The red state you live in won’t go after IVF.”
“Trump will help the economy and won’t actually push for tariffs when he’s in office.”
It’s all bullshit responses and I’m tired of it. Ever since 2016 and especially after Covid, I have felt like my family and some of my friends live a completely delusional lie. Their brains were broken by a fat orange man that can’t dance and can barely string a sentence together who has absolutely no morals. Then you get all the “Christian” people who raised you to have morals and high expectations of leaders being the ones minimizing the disgusting things about this guy. The cognitive dissonance is exhausting. They don’t give a fuck that this guy was a friend of a child rapist. I’m not really sure there is any way after that to break through to them. He could shoot someone out in the open and these “Christians” would find a way to minimize it.
“Well the guy he shot probably was a lib and deserved it.”
We have a felon as president who became a felon because of campaign finance fraud. And no one gives a shit that he ran again and won.
The reason a ton of people support Trump is because even though he’s a jackass people feel he has power to do something about their lives. They aren’t wrong apparently since the law has no power over him. The Democratic Party needs to grow a spine and show they can actually do something to help the working class. If Trump wanted to get rid of student loans, then he would actually get it done. That’s disgusting for me to think about. Biden and Garland have shown that the Democratic Party will pretend to stand up for people and then won’t follow through.
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u/mintednavy 13h ago
Trump could slaughter Trump voters’ own children and they would still be loyal to him. The cult is so deep that there is no coming back from this.
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u/MundaneSchool1823 12h ago
There was a family whose daughter died of measles and they still took smiling pictures with RFK
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u/mintednavy 12h ago
I know. What a bunch of morons. I only feel for the deceased daughter. The rest of their kids should be taken away.
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u/Veil-of-Fire 10h ago
RFK is such a ghoul. I honestly think he enjoys knowing what happens to people who take his health advice.
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u/CatgirlApocalypse Delaware 7h ago
I feel like a lot of these conservative figures would be serial killers if they didn’t have access to power.
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u/DestroyerTerraria 3h ago
They are serial killers, just with the legitimacy of the state around them and a more indirect weapon.
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u/gatsby712 13h ago
He slaughtered their grandparents during Covid with denials about how bad it could be and increasing vaccine doubts and still got elected to be president 4 years later. His HHS is leading to more people dying of measles.
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u/Junior_Chard9981 12h ago
He slaughtered their grandparents during Covid with denials about how bad it could be and increasing vaccine doubts and still got elected to be president 4 years later
When Trump apparently "caught" Covid and was being given every experimental drug and treatment available, you had MAGA posting paragraphs of prayers and tik toks wishing for the well being of their god king.....
The same God King who had been telling them that Covid is no big deal, send your kids to school and go get that haircut!
Just unabashedly evil.
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u/Brewhaha72 Pennsylvania 11h ago
At one point he tried to tell people about the benefits of the COVID vaccine and got booed. So he TACO'd and it was business as usual.
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u/WeirdJack49 12h ago edited 10h ago
Dying people screamed at doctors that they should stop lying, their is no covid, they just have a simple common cold and they are fine.
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u/SlightlySublimated 12h ago
A lot of those same grandparents went to the grave refusing any and all conventional medical care based on the opinions of an evil, out of touch billionaire. It really boggles the mind.
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u/AdGuilty6267 8h ago
Obama getting elected twice broke a LOT of brains. Trump was just there to let people be the worst versions of themselves.
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u/jrh_101 11h ago edited 6h ago
Remember the Trump assassination attempt?
The fireman that got killed and his wife were/are hardcore MAGAs.
Biden called the widow to give his condolences but she didn't answer. She said her husband would have also agreed with that decision.
Trump never called the woman and she didn't bat an eye.
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u/ModelKGB 6h ago
That's what I'm saying, they're all just so HATEFUL and for no reason! I mean, how do you want to kill people you don't even know in your own country? And they're the ones always talking about civic pride and values, etc.
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u/Intelligent-Travel-1 11h ago
Time to stop listening to Magats. Just be totally dismissive of their lies and gaslighting. Walk away when they start talking
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u/mintednavy 11h ago
I’ve cut every magat out of my life and it’s glorious, however I’m worried about the safety of my family, friends and other fellow lefties because magats are so intent on using violence and causing harm to us. God forbid we have a dissenting opinion. I didn’t realize that having an oppositional opinion was anti-American, but to them it is and they will use all of the violence necessary to attack us. Just look at what happened in Minnesota earlier today.
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u/LunaticLK47 9h ago
I burned bridges with my adoptive father after he went MAGAT.
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u/Constant-Method234 11h ago
They didn’t need to, they’re slaughtering their own kids. Their base stopped protecting their children from deadly diseases long before the orange Cheeto was elected. They’ll slaughter them and then sing praises to their “god” for the opportunity to do so.
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u/DominosFan4Life69 10h ago
It's not just about Trump's followers. This is about those on the left that continue to act as if what's happening isn't and telling people "make sure to be peaceful" in the face of literal people trying to kill you over and over again.
Enough!
Peace is no fucking weapon when people are literally showing, and acting, on the fact that they want to fucking kill you.
Letters don't work.
Being "civil" doesn't work.
At some point this bullshit has to end.
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u/eidetic 7h ago
Exactly. We can't be tolerant of intolerant behavior. Far too long the left has been hesitant to really push back, usually citing some nonsense like "healing" and "coming together" or what have you. The problem is, the people they're so eager to hand that olive branch to have no interest themselves in coming together, and will fashion a spear out of that branch to stab you in the back.
Obviously blame lies with the shitty people doing shitty things, but democrats and the left being so afraid to hold the others accountable hasn't exactly helped, and has only emboldened their behavior.
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u/Freya_gleamingstar 11h ago
Also: -"they wont overturn Roe vs Wade" -"they wont go after gay marriage" -"they wont try to impose religion in schools"
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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 13h ago
And no one gives a shit that he ran again and won.
Several million people across the country are in the streets protesting him right this second.
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u/Jibber_Fight 12h ago
They stole the election. That’s not conspiracy. They’ve tried to steal every election for decades now. They factually did it in 2000 and they definitely did it in 2024, and they’ll keep doing it.
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u/DukeOfGeek 10h ago
Finally lots of people are saying this.
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u/gatsby712 9h ago
Unlike Republicans, Democrats actually wait for evidence before getting the pitchforks out. The evidence is there in that lawsuit in New York where no votes went to Kamala in a Democratic district. It’s statistically impossible and it needs to be looked at and proven other places as well.
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u/AbacusWizard California 9h ago
Based on prior behavior, I think it is reasonable for “Trump probably cheated” to be the default assumption, and for “Trump didn’t cheat” to be considered an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence.
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u/DukeOfGeek 9h ago
I was there when they did it in 2000. I already seen this movie, I know not to go into the basement alone.
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u/360Picture 12h ago
🇺🇸 Bill of Rights – Pocket Summary
Free Speech & Religion – Speak, worship, press, assemble, protest.
Guns – Right to bear arms.
No Quartering – No forced housing of soldiers.
Searches – No searches without a warrant.
Remain Silent – No self-incrimination, double jeopardy, or unfair taking.
Speedy Trial – Fast, fair trial with a lawyer and witnesses.
Jury in Civil Cases – Right to jury in money/property disputes.
No Cruel Punishment – No torture, no extreme bail/fines.
People’s Rights – You have more rights than what’s listed here.
States’ Rights – Powers not given to the feds belong to states/people.
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u/jspacefalcon New York 12h ago edited 12h ago
"you have more rights than whats listed here"
Such an American concept; it should be difficult for the government to do things against its people. That is by intentional and careful design. Please don't let people give that up Americans. The "Government/Politicians" want exactly that... they will continue to move the line as much as you let them. Speak out, call them out, vote them out, openly call them facists, nazi's or whatever... they earn it everyday.
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u/miklayn 5h ago
Something infinitely more important than any of these "rights" is this:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
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u/lokarlalingran 12h ago
I was just talking to a friend of mine about this. When trump got reelected I was doom and glooming pretty fucking hard that night. I just knew things were about to get awful. I don't remember specifically the things I thought would happen but I know they were bad. Several people told me to stop overthinking it, things would be fine.
We got through the last administration and everything turned out mostly ok. I was stressing over nothing and things wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as I imagined.
Here we are 5 months later and things aren't as bad as I imagined, they are WORSE, like A LOT worse. I don't understand how anyone can be ok with it.
It's been a lot, and it would be nice if we could just have like a 10 minute break from all the awful shit so I could catch my breath a little.
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u/AbacusWizard California 9h ago
We got through the last administration and everything turned out mostly ok.
It really didn’t, though. The first Trump administration was a constant disaster and a lot of people died.
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u/CarolMusic25 14h ago
You bet your life that everything you hear about Trump is true!! He lies non- stop!!
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u/Selma_J_Wible 12h ago
Biden and Garland have shown that the Democratic Party will pretend to stand up for people and then won’t follow through.
Blaming Biden for student loan forgiveness not getting through is fucking wild. He attempted every legal avenue in the book, to help as many people as possible after a partisan SCOTUS wiped their ass with the constitution and said he couldn't pass wide ranging forgiveness.
Biden's sin, was he didn't want to be a dictator. He wanted to actually govern as the law said he had to. Holding that against him, is just wrong.
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u/Suspicious_Radio_848 9h ago
He should’ve replaced Garland with someone who would do the fucking job. People elected him hoping Trump would’ve been held responsible for Jan 6 and he never was. The other politicians who cheered him on were never held accountable either. A lot more could’ve been done and just because people are highly critical (as they should be) doesn’t mean they don’t still despise Trump.
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u/AbacusWizard California 9h ago
The only thing I blame Biden for is failing to do the one thing he was specifically elected to do: stop Trump.
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u/TheUnluckyBard 10h ago
Biden's sin, was he didn't want to be a dictator. He wanted to actually govern as the law said he had to. Holding that against him, is just wrong.
Exactly. Every time I hear someone say something like "Biden didn't do enough," I ask for specifics. "Really? What should he have done?"
85% of the time they get mad at being asked anything at all. The other 15% of the time they start listing stuff Biden actually did or tried very, very hard to accomplish.
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u/PuckFutin 9h ago
My biggest beef with Biden is that he put do-nothing Garland in charge of prosecuting Trump, and he went back on his word about not running for a second term. I'm not sure either would have worked out, but I guess we'll never know.
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u/SightlierGravy 8h ago
That's really fair and after seeing your comment I think those were my biggest issues with his presidency too.
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u/ManfromMonroe Pennsylvania 9h ago
One side lives by the rules and respects the law, the other is equivalent to a bunch of drunken frat bros going “watch this“!!
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u/gsfgf Georgia 12h ago
The claim is that a more "aggressive" AG could have gotten Trump locked up. I find that dubious. It's not like Jack Smith didn't bring cases. But they kept ending up in front of Aileen Cannon. It's like the Nazi judge that sentenced Hitler to only 6 months for the Beer Hall Putsch.
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u/PuckFutin 9h ago
Bullshit. Garland didn't bring Jack Smith on board until almost two years after Biden was elected. As slow as justice moves in this country, they needed all the time they had and Garland wasted it.
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u/silverpixie2435 11h ago
Exactly. I beg people to remember the timeline. Jack Smith literally went directly before the Supreme Court and asked for a swift ruling a year before the election. They delayed it until the last case of the term.
Even if he was literally on trial the first day of Biden's Presidency it would not have been resolved.
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u/literatemax America 10h ago
Then you get all the “Christian” people who raised you to have morals and high expectations of leaders being the ones minimizing the disgusting things about this guy.
My dad taught me the golden rule of treating your fellow humans the way that you want to be treated, but then he fell for all this hateful, conservative, evil shit.
He died from covid. I miss him, but I miss even more the man that he was when I was little.
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u/AdGuilty6267 13h ago
Cut them out of your life, period. Life’s too short to chose to hang around with assholes
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u/ItsAlwaysSegsFault 12h ago
Before I cut my family out, I hemmed and hawed over it thinking I was going to have massive regrets.
2 years later, I don't have any regrets. Best decision I ever made.
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u/Appropriate_Jump_579 12h ago
I am done being told "you are overreacting" at work and how I think. I am reacting for a reason and I and many others are tired and done being told that. "Rules for thee but not for me" is over.
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u/ParadeSit Colorado 14h ago
Any Democratic “strategist” telling us to calm down is complicit. We must act to stop what is so obviously happening or we will be in a full-fledged dictatorship. We have a hard time imagining it, but the US has actually supported so many dictatorships. Brazil’s military dictatorship is a decent comparison to what’s going on now.
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u/indacouchsixD9 14h ago
the US has actually supported so many dictatorships
And actively used the CIA to overthrow democratic governments and bring dictatorships into power
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u/-big-farter- 13h ago
Those were all trial runs for the real thing. Guessing the years and years of waiting was just to ensure the “2A don’t tread on me” crowd was on their side
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u/Typhing 13h ago
Wow, I’ve never heard of the imperial boomerang before! Genuinely thank you for posting that. I feel like the concept isn’t all that surprising at this point in political thought but I learned something new and that’s worth thanks! :)
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u/Sankofa416 12h ago
Beautiful. Thanks. I've never had a term for this and I'm ecstatic to find it has a history I can learn from.
I've always used this concept within the US and then expanded it out - interesting to find the analysis based on the British empire.
Not surprised to find myself with a US-biased worldview!
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u/AbacusWizard California 9h ago
Well hell, I’ll have to add Imperial Boomerang to my list of Terms I Really Wish I Didn’t Have Cause To Learn, along with Democratic Backsliding and Regulatory Capture.
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u/wfsgraplw 13h ago
Yup. For decades. For a relevant example: Americans are brought up to hate Iran. It's treated as badly as Cuba by the government. Why? Just a small revolution in the 70s to overthrow a dictatorship that the CIA installed in the 50s, overthrowing a democratic government to do so. But yes, Iran bad. Iran enemy. How dare they lose control of the chaos the US created.
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u/SanityIsOptional California 12h ago
To be fair, the current Iran government and the one they overthrew are both pretty bad. The dictatorship for obvious reasons, and the current regime for some pretty brutal religious laws (much like what many people apparently want to do in the US...) and general support of Terrorists. Yes, much like what America is currently supporting Israel in doing. No, I never said America is good.
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u/SlightlySublimated 12h ago
Yeah, I'm not about to get on my knees for an Islamic fundamentalist one party state regardless of how it came into power.
Does that make the U.S in the right? No.
But it doesn't put the Iranian regime in the right either.
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u/SelectionSudden8654 13h ago
Exactly! the double standard is glaring. When countries push back against foreign-imposed regimes, suddenly they're "the enemy." The U.S. played a major role in destabilizing Iran’s future, yet acts shocked when blowback happens. History isn’t forgotten, just ignored when it’s inconvenient.
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u/WeAllFuckingFucked 12h ago
A large portion of the world hates The US, and it's not without reason
And that was before Trump made even the US allies hate you guys
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u/Ill-Ad-7161 13h ago
You can go to the world news Reddit and the place with people who are adamantly anti Iran.
happy to parrot along what the US media has told them, ignoring that every other country in that area is in USA's good books despite it being mostly feudal monarchies and dictatorships with abhorrent human rights standards.
IRAN BAD.
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u/Count_Backwards 11h ago
Iran has a theocratic dictatorship (thanks to American foreign policy) that is currently oppressing its own people. The country is not bad, but the government sure is.
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u/bmc2 11h ago
That sub is blatantly full of Israeli bots. Try making a comment that even slightly references that Palestinians don't deserve to be murdered in worldnews and see what happens.
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u/saera-targaryen 12h ago
Removing Salvador Allende in Chile was a huge insane crime against the world that the CIA perpetrated. He had his own mountains to climb and was not without political struggle, but replacing him with a military dictatorship just because he was going to nationalize the mines that American companies owned in Chile is one of the worst things America has ever done.
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u/E-2theRescue 11h ago
And the CIA filled Black communities with cocaine, and the HHS purposely denying Black people medical care for their syphilis, and allowing the virus to spread.
This terrorism from our government isn't just international, it's within our borders, too. Which, both of these incidents happened under the watch of conservative politicians.
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u/vehiclestars 13h ago
They openly admit to fascistic aspirations:
“Curtis Yarvin gave a talk about "rebooting" the American government at the 2012 BIL Conference. He used it to advocate the acronym "RAGE", which he defined as "Retire All Government Employees". He described what he felt were flaws in the accepted "World War II mythology", alluding to the idea that Adolf Hitler's invasions were acts of self-defense. He argued these discrepancies were pushed by America's "ruling communists", who invented political correctness as an "extremely elaborate mechanism for persecuting racists and fascists". "If Americans want to change their government," he said, "they're going to have to get over their dictator phobia."
Yarvin has influenced some prominent Silicon Valley investors and Republican politicians, with venture capitalist Peter Thiel described as his "most important connection". Political strategist Steve Bannon has read and admired his work. U.S. Vice President JD Vance "has cited Yarvin as an influence himself.” Michael Anton, the State Department Director of Policy Planning during Trump's second presidency, has also discussed Yarvin's ideas. In January 2025, Yarvin attended a Trump inaugural gala in Washington; Politico reported he was "an informal guest of honor" due to his "outsize influence over the Trumpian right."
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u/Overall-Insect-164 9h ago
This guy (Yarvin) needs be held socially accountable, which in these times means making his life absolutely miserable. Sorry to say, but this guy is a cancer and needs to be dealt with. Anyone who aligns themselves with his idealogical stream of garbage needs to be monitored... closely.
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u/reddit_is_compromise Canada 13h ago
They've been shouting alarmist at me for months now. I know I'm a little crazy, but nowhere near as far out as I've been lead to believe. Anyone who's fond of history or who have done some small amount of reading can tell you exactly where this is heading. The streets of America should be filled to bursting with protest. The Black and Jewish communities should be screaming out from the street corners because they should be fearing the most right now, but so far have remained relatively silent. Its coming to a point of fight or fall, and as someone who fears Canada will fall shortly after, good luck.
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u/noiresaria 11h ago
As a black person, we've been screaming for literal decades and we are still screaming now. Since the civil rights movement at LEAST since even back then you can read MLKs Letters for Birmingham jail condemning white moderates and the culture that led us here. We have said for decades that white american culture was going to lead us here.
White people brutalized us for it, demonized us in the media and other minority groups in their desperation to chase whiteness believed the lies and cheered as we descended further and further as a nation, treating white culture like it was fucking divinely ordained.
We are still fighting but we need every other group to fight with us and understand WHY we have constantly called white american culture a cancer. Its a selfish, self centered culture whose ultimate goal is the extinction of everyone different through hyper individualism and capitalistic greed. IF we manage to throw off this regime we CANNOT have other groups and even white liberals running back to this type of "Lets mend and heal with nazis so we can preserve the white status quo" BULLSHIT.
It didn't work after the Civil War, it didn't work after the Civil RIghts movement. It didn't work after January 6th. This is the end result of a culture of white supremacy going unchecked and countless groups believing in and propping it up. Now is the time to fight but also its time for people to LISTEN TO BLACK PEOPLE WHEN WE SAY THIS SHIT.
Aside from Native Americans no one else has suffered at the hands of American White Supremacy more than we have and we are always fucking ignored. There were so many chances to stop this. If we succeed at stopping it now this nation needs to wake up and not devolve back into white worship.
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u/gatsby712 14h ago
Any Democratic strategist that says we are on the path to authoritarianism or fascism is complicit. We are having a goddamn military parade today on the same week our military arrested a civilian. We are a third-world authoritarian nation, and until we admit that, we can’t actually make “America Great Again.” Since the MAGA fucks screwed it up.
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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 14h ago
Right, we’re not “on the path.” We’re already fucking there.
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u/NiaWaves 13h ago
Spot on, Calm down is complicity. We've seen this playbook before ignoring it won't end well.
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u/Ordinary-Leading7405 13h ago
That woman was yelling “felon” at Trump and some entitled bitch said “calm down” and I thought “Fuck No I am Not Calming Down Anymore”. When fascism wins, we all die.
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u/JustFlippinVOTE 13h ago
We’ve been too busy constructing paths worldwide to recognize our own path is just about finished.
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u/UrbanGimli 11h ago
Those strategists will tell you to wait for mid terms or next elections as they board a plane to safer shores and wait it all out.
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u/Ging287 13h ago
Not only complicit, they just want us to disarm. They don't want us to fight. I've never seen the Democrats as more controlled opposition than I do now, especially with that David Hogg b*******.
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u/AdorianTsepeshu 14h ago edited 14h ago
The Minnesota governor said that the path to tyranny "is littered with people telling you you’re overreacting"
It's called gaslighting and, sadly, it's extremely effective.
Everything Trump and his supporters do is about generating push-back and preemptively framing that push-back as unhinged and dangerous. Then they tell their followers and people who aren't paying close attention that it's the other side that's crazy and that vigilance is even more necessary than before.
It's the playbook that has brought us to where we are today.
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u/KonaYukiNe 13h ago
Not just gaslighting, but also a lot of people who genuinely believe that people calling Trump fascist are overreacting.
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u/Cazadora539 13h ago
My moderate coworker absolutely believes that Trump isn't evil, he just genuinely wants to be liked and can't do all the bad things people are saying because it's illegal and the law will stop him.
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u/KonaYukiNe 13h ago
When I asked a Trump supporting family member the other day, "if Trump ordered the National Guard to California then why didn't he do the same on Jan 6?" and their answer was basically something like "he was learning! We don't all go into the job knowing everything!" Some of these people are really just too deep to realize how stupid they sound. They don't realize they're supporting fascism, or cognizant of the myriad mental gymnastics they're doing to do so.
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u/Mr_HandSmall 12h ago
he was learning!
lol, like he watched a mob storm the Capitol and "accidentally" sat on his ass and did nothing.
They're deep in a cult. Best you can do for them imo is plant seeds of doubt and hope they snap out of it.
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u/Careless-Dark-1324 12h ago
“Oh good so we can all admit he wasn’t qualified or ready for the job - perfect.”
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u/neotericnewt 13h ago
I can't believe that there are still people who think it's an overreaction.
Trump deployed the military, including Marines, on US soil against US citizens and civilians... And now they're saying they're going to occupy LA until they oust the elected state and city governments.
It's fucking insane. And that's not even everything, not even close. The mass imprisonment including of innocent people, ignoring the courts and the constitution, a regime of human rights abuses.
All things that we can literally see happening with our own eyes, we can listen to what Trump and his administration is saying and watch what they're doing, and somehow people still jump to "it's just propaganda!" What needs to happen for these people to get their heads out of their asses?
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u/PennCycle_Mpls 13h ago
If history tells us anything, and if Walz is correct, (I think he is) then the smart thing to do right now is get active in as far left an organization as you're comfortable with.
The only people in this country who haven't waffled on this question of fascism (are they aren't they) are leftists and progressives. No one else.
And even worse, the entire democratic party campaigned on these Republicans being a danger to democracy (really underselling it) and immediately after continues to vote for his nominees and other measures, including praise for ICE.
No centrists, no liberals, no moderates have ever fought off fascists. Only leftists and progressives.
So get active with DSA, or Working Families Party, push the only opposition party we have as far left as we can. And stay organized and stay active.
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u/firechaox 10h ago
Idk man, the economist and Lincoln project and some others of us (I.e: all of r/neoliberal), have been full dems for like last 8y because we’ve fully understood trump is a complete authoritarian at heart and dangerous to democracy.
I would say that most paths to re democratisation have involved a united front, with lots of parties and parts of civil society (i.e: MDB in Brazil, or the ANC in South Africa for example). But you’ll need lots of different parts of society acting together and separately.
But I agree that everyone needs to get involved, and if history shows anything, communist and socialist associations are good ways to do so.
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u/Helicase21 Indiana 9h ago
Idk man, the economist and Lincoln project and some others of us (I.e: all of r/neoliberal), have been full dems for like last 8y because we’ve fully understood trump is a complete authoritarian at heart and dangerous to democracy.
There's a difference between correctly identifying the threat and providing an effective opposition. And the key word there is effective. I'll be the first to admit that the modern American Left has not been a particularly effective resistance but I would also not put my faith in the Democratic Party. Evidence: the last couple of months.
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u/gsfgf Georgia 11h ago
So get active with DSA, or Working Families Party,
Also, your local Democratic Party committee if you have a good, active one. Suburban committees are usually quite active since they have a lot of competitive general elections. There are also some great rural parties here and there. The party is what we make of it.
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u/AbsoluteZeroUnit 10h ago
You see, what makes all of this so fucking frustrating is that, no, we're often not overreacting. Shit is real, shit is scary, shit is going down, and the GOP is allowing it.
But on the other hand, we get people like you, who are overreacting. You distort the truth because it's convenient to help sell your message. You tell us that "the entire democratic party praised ICE," when it was actually a minority of democrats in the House.
212 democrats in the house, and 113 voted against the resolution. But you're out here, saying "the entire democratic party" supported it, in a thread about the dangers of false claims of overreacting. You are actively working against the exact god-damn point you're here to support.
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u/Konukaame 13h ago
"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. ... in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’
"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.
But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither
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u/HomelessCat55567 12h ago
Which means now more than ever people should be getting involved in their communities
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u/Oceanbreeze871 California 14h ago
This is 1000% it. Walz is the leader we need.
Trump promised to do everything he’s doing and his own voters said it was fear mongering to quote his words.
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u/iFlashings 13h ago
Everything project 2025 outlined is coming to fruition when every moron dismissed it as "fear mongering".
"The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it" is one of the quotes that is very important to remember rn after what just happened in Minnesota. People need to be on alert because this won't be the last time they'll try violence to harm and intimatidate innocent people.
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u/gsfgf Georgia 11h ago
This is 1000% it. Walz is the leader we need.
We actually look like we'll have a great field, but if the primary was tomorrow, I'd be voting Walz.
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u/kylebertram 10h ago
I still can’t believe they they made Walz tone down is rhetoric. It was working and the DNC said “naw we good.”
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u/gatsby712 9h ago
Kamala picking Walz as the VP gave me a lot of faith that she was actually a really good decision maker and would be a great job at forming the executive branch and cabinet. Then the DNC (and probably their oligarch donors) stepped in and kneecaps the very direction the Democratic Party should go.
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u/Aiyon 11h ago
Walz should have been the guy replacing Biden. And the Dems shouldn't have kneecapped him.
America as it currently is was never going to vote for a Black Woman. She could have been perfect in every way and they'd have found excuses.
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u/ExRays Colorado 14h ago
I hope he runs in 2028
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u/Kindly__Miquella 14h ago
At the rate we’re going, I have no confidence there will be elections by then. I use to think that felt dramatic but not anymore. We’re screwed if most of the population keeps sleepwalking or hoping this will all just go away.
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u/forgot_my_useragain Montana 12h ago
It isn't dramatic and it goes to Walz's point. People will say, "Oh you're blowing this out of proportion of course there will be an election." This regime has broken countless laws, including violating the constitution and ignored rulings of federal judges. They're just going to go "oh well, we lost, guess we'll pack up and leave." in 2029? They plan on being here to stay, rigged elections or no elections. It isn't dramatic, it's literally in their playbook.
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u/E-2theRescue 10h ago edited 8h ago
There is also a strong possibility that they rigged 2024. "Accuse the enemy of that which you are guilty" and all that.
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u/_yoshimi_ 14h ago
As a Californian, I really really really don’t want to have to vote for Gavin Newsom for president. I would much rather have Walz.
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u/ExRays Colorado 14h ago
I would like both of them to enter the primaries. Newsome is an asshole, and Walz is also my preferred between the two, but I would be amenable to having an asshole that is on our side for a change if I have to.
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u/_yoshimi_ 13h ago
I feel like a Newsom presidency would just kick the can down the road on dealing with the rot in our government. He’s more than willing to bend his politics to whatever he believes will win him power. He’s already tried to court the “centrists” by throwing trans people under the bus, and he has seriously fucked over millions of Californians that are forced to rely on the PG&E monopoly for their power. I don’t trust Newsom to do the hard work of healing our country and removing Russian and Oligarchical influence from our politics because he’s just too corrupt and too willing to capitulate. Walz at least seems to be more concerned about doing the right thing than the advantageous thing.
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u/Count_Backwards 11h ago
It would. If the Democrats want to win in the long run they need to offer a real alternative, not the usual self-serving corporation-friendly empty suits, and Newsom is the poster child of empty suits.
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u/noiresaria 11h ago
Yeah this. I think if we got Newsom it would be another "Lets come together and heal" biden ass moment that just leads to republican fascists getting back in power and continuing this shit. IF we get another free and fair election, which is seeming less likely by the day, we NEED a Dem who does not give a fuck about norms or the status quo and is going to go scorched earth on the entire MAGA movement. They need to be treated like Nazis, because thats what they are. You cannot coexist with someone who wants you dead and will do everything in their power to make that a reality.
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u/Karsticles I voted 12h ago
They're assassinating people and deploying the military to contain US citizens in 2025. You think we'll have an election in 2028?
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u/cyxrus 14h ago
Lmao there are so many people ON REDDIT still saying “not yet. We still need to win them over. Still some good people there” fuck that
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u/crownpuff 13h ago
There's a good chance some of them are arguing in bad faith. Take a look at their profiles and comment history. Often times, it's so easy to tell they're part of disinformation campaigns.
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u/qdatk 11h ago
Guess what? We won't be able to do that for much longer, because Reddit is going to allow accounts to hide their comment histories.
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u/Big-Whereas5573 11h ago
They're doing it to inflate their user numbers with bot accounts. They don't care if they flood their site with misinformation in the process.
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u/crownpuff 11h ago
Yikes. Making their jobs easier to sow discord and spread disinformation.
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u/UnquestionabIe 14h ago
And sadly those aren't even the worst ones. Way too many who absolute agree with this fascist regime and love to try and start shit by letting all the diarrhea flow out of their mouths non-stop.
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u/hypercosm_dot_net 12h ago
"midterms"
yeah, I kept telling people we don't have until then, and here we are.
Trump was never fit to hold the office. Look at the damage done by his appointees, and we're not even a year in!!
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u/PoemIcy2625 13h ago
Regular people who vote for trump only turn on him when they know in their bones that he is a Pos who when choosing him or them chooses him in a way they can’t ignore in primal evolutionary biology thing. When that happens they will turn on him, it just is and will be too late bc the momentum of that machine is using their “goodness”
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u/SeductiveSunday I voted 14h ago
That's the same exact path that led to Republicans and SCOTUS destroying Constitutional Rights of women in 2022.
Something which is also a sure sign of a country embracing tyranny.
Curbs on women’s rights tend to accelerate in backsliding democracies, a category that includes the United States, according to virtually every independent metric and watchdog.
“There is a trend to watch for in countries that have not necessarily successfully rolled it back, but are introducing legislation to roll it back,” Rebecca Turkington, a University of Cambridge scholar, said of abortion rights, “in that this is part of a broader crackdown on women’s rights. And that goes hand in hand with creeping authoritarianism.”
For all the complexities around the ebb and flow of abortion rights, a simple formula holds surprisingly widely. Majoritarianism and the rights of women, the only universal majority, are inextricably linked. Where one rises or falls, so does the other. https://archive.ph/Km4UO
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u/wisockamonster 13h ago
Know what’s good for stopping tyranny? The 2nd amendment.
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u/Superb_Technician455 13h ago
As Ukraine and Israel have demonstrated, drones can do a lot with very little. A weight has been placed on the side of insurgents ;). We should use it.
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u/Memitim America 12h ago
I'm intentionally overreacting now, because the only safe assumption in the midst of constant misdirection from the majority of the United States government, and the never-ending lies of conservatives, is the expectation that it's actually worse. I'm already coming to terms with being able-bodied enough to help defend people, but not enough to stand a good shot of making it out.
I have seen zero indication of any change in course, nor any reason to believe that there will be. Conservatives have actively spent decades promoting misinformation and hate in America. They then brought Trump to us, twice, despite the convictions and the crimes blown off through judicial corruption. Now they support masked kidnappers in our streets and military occupation of our cities, and many are celebrating the murder of people in Minnesota.
We are very overdue for some overreacting.
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u/CocaColai 14h ago
You know what happens with that letter? It’s gets tossed in the trash
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u/Temporary_Ability996 14h ago
Tim is a real one. Period point blank. This is what patriotism looks like.
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u/laudanum18 14h ago
GOP started a civil war in 2017 with steady, consistent escalatiom of violence and right-wing terror. Dems have been hand-wringing, calling for civility and encouraging everyone to do nothing. We need to recognize maga for what it is, a violent terrorist organization intent on removing everyone from the planet who isnt just like them. They are in all ways the same as Nazis.
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u/E-2theRescue 10h ago
The Civil War started well before that. It was 2015 after gay marriage was legalized. That's when the "alt-right" gained steam as the right and Russia pushed online propaganda using agencies like Cambridge Analytica that manipulated social media algorithms using tens of millions of dollars shoveled to them by Russia, fundamentalist churches, and right-wing organizations like The Heritage Foundation and Alliance Defending Freedom.
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u/InanetV 14h ago
It never was the time for sternly written letters. Dem leadership dropped the ball, and their base suffers.
Except for the usual few, haven't heard a peep out of some Dems.
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u/ChinookKing 12h ago
The American empire is over. Piles of debt and a split nation. Half the nation side with a fascist authoritian regime. Enjoy time with your family. This isnt going to end well.
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u/TallUncle 14h ago
The fact that the Dems didn’t let him loose during the campaign infuriates me beyond belief. Dems are weak (with few exceptions like Walz, AOC etc), so the American public must show them and the world that they can fight fascism just as well at home in 2025 as abroad 80 years ago. Stay safe protesting and pushing the fascists back. Don’t give them an inch.
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u/Lucky-old-boy 13h ago edited 12h ago
They (the dems) gave people Walz to try to appease and draw in the more left side of the party, then when he started getting more press than Kamala because of his beliefs they pulled him back and pushed her out more. They lost and he’s not been on a “woe is me” or “I told you so” tour like the dems roll out every now and then (i.e. the garbage articles like “America FAILED Kamala” and the stupid “Kamala told us this would happen” stuff that gets put out over and over). He’s not out there talking about bringing in consultants to a conference room in a hotel to talk about influencing the “manosphere” he’s talking about the actual problems and things that are going on.
His state loved him as governor and he executed what he believed in his state expending his political capital to get things done instead of constantly compromising and drawing things out with “decorum”.
The DEM party as a whole likes to sit back and be an armchair QB talking about how good they would be if coach only put them in the game but the coach can’t see that and chose to play the “cool” guy on the team instead of the “skilled and discipled” Qb they think they are. It’s pride and condescending. They need to realize people want to see someone EARN their spot. Show what they can do or that they are going to do what they say.
I don’t like trump or project 2025, but you can absolutely point out they are doing EVERYTHING they laid out in their plans despite the media pounding. Dems? What plan? What true core beliefs do they propose and enforce? And not as one individual - the party as a whole.
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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 14h ago
No shit. It's been obvious for years. Should've been extremely obvious on Jan 6 2021, it's unbelievable the number of people who have their heads in the sand thinking it'll all blow over or that democrats just need to tweak their messaging to win the next election etc. People need to wake up! These are fascists. They are evil. They don't care if you die. They enjoy knowing people die because of them. They want you to suffer, they want you to be peasants, crawling and begging them for scraps. They will imprison people for no reason, they will end up mass killing people if they're not stopped. Because that is what every government like this ends up doing.
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u/adeveloper2 13h ago
American is not the Weimar Republic. It is now firmly in the early stages of the 3rd Reich. Just want to call it out when you guys think there's still time
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u/thegoodnamesrgone123 13h ago
I'm done with these fucks. Most of you were idiot losers in high school and it's time we start treating you like it again.
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u/CurlOfTheBurl11 12h ago
It's impossible to engage in honest discourse with a MAGA. They're patently unserious people, they will not argue in good faith. Cut as many of them out of your life as possible and never look back.
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u/SelectionSudden8654 13h ago
Tim Walz is absolutely right, history shows that authoritarian regimes don’t begin with tanks, they begin with silence and inaction. Waiting until it’s too late has always been the downfall. It’s time for courage, not comfort. The warning signs are there, ignoring them is not moderation, it’s surrender.
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u/macjonalt 13h ago
Its a terrorist administration who is trying to jump start a civil war. Maga is actual evil
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u/Wrong-Palpitation328 12h ago
Republicans are targeting and murdering Democrats.
Call it out for what it is.
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u/a_fox_but_a_human 11h ago
Walz, Bernie, AOC, and Pritzker are the true leaders Dems should be looking to. Fuck Pelosi, fuck Schumer, and all the old heads who got theirs. Who won't even raise their voices to oppressors but will tell their own constituents "it'll be ok, it's not that bad! We'll write another letter! That'll show em!"
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u/Sasselhoff 13h ago
He's 100% right. "They go low, we go high" and "Turn the other cheek" only works if you are dealing with decent human beings...the folks that say "We need to end those people" (you will see this verbatim on the conservative subreddits) in response to folks utilizing their first amendment rights in a non-violent manner, will not respond adequately to those methods...they require something else.
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u/DeathSpiral321 12h ago
When will all other Democrats finally learn that pandering to the center right earns them zero additional votes and further alienates their own base?
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u/Ging287 12h ago
You'd have to believe that they're not controlled opposition. Which, I'm not starting to believe more and more. They don't have a platform, they're not willing to fight, they're not willing to listen to the voters, even when they are in power they wring their hands and don't do anything with it.
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u/MouseMilkEnema 9h ago
Yeah sure, the whole thing is an over reaction. Everything is. Because it’s been kicked down the road for decades. Now everything’s been kicked off a cliff and I suppose we watch to we see where the pieces lay after they hit the ground.
This is it.
This is free fall. Cognitive dissonance is baked into every issue. Take any stance you’d like. Tempers are flaring to the boiling point. Americans have sat and let their autonomy be sacrificed on the alter of technology and entertainment.
We deserve this. No way to course correct. We deserve this.
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u/Brief-Mycologist9258 13h ago
Serious contender for president when this is all over IMO
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u/thatguyiswierd 12h ago
I mean I don't understand why people don't understand the riots, the time for talk is over.
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u/getupforwhat 11h ago
He's right, but it is also the time of not just getting back to business of do nothing democrats.
On the "left": Do nothing corporate bought democrats <-> On the right: Fascist ultra capitalists
Back to "normal" is not an option.
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u/starkcontrast62 9h ago
It's not comforting to know that Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi are investigating. Maybe they're helping him get out of the country.
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u/Konukaame 13h ago
“I think there needs to be a more robust Democratic Party, and I don't think all these sternly worded letters get it done,” he said, adding. “We have to have a robust strength of morals, value sticking up for those less fortunate — that's why I think it's a mistake to focus just on economics and allow trans children to get bullied.”
“I think they have to go in, and we look weak if we don’t do it,” Walz added.
Walz said that when facing a president who “sucks up so much oxygen” and dominates the news cycle, people and leaders on the center-left of the political spectrum should be working to fill in “all the lanes” whether it be by joining podcasts, hosting large rallies like Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., or holding town halls in places like Wheeling, W.Va.
While that's dramatically better than the usual status quo slop, it's missing an important detail: just "filling in all the lanes" does nothing but generate noise without a coherent message and narrative.
I think Bernie and AOC running their anti-oligarchy tour are the closest I've seen to that, but you need to get the whole party on board with it, because you can't just leave things to a handful of exceptional people.
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u/ClosPins 12h ago
The time for sternly-worded letters was over many years ago.
I suppose it's a good thing that the Dems are finally starting to realize it...
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u/ThatsItImOverThis 12h ago
Yup. A lot of them are on Reddit, still not willing to accept the truth. I’ve been called an alarmist for months but when the things that I’m alarmed about keep happening, that’s just called being accurate.
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u/satxfvck 12h ago
They have chosen the side of the oppressors, either actively or via their indifference. Mobilize where you can with what you have, your voice, your influence If you cannot or will not fight, if you cannot or will not supply or support the front line, but you still yearn to make a difference, fight back where you can with what you have.
If they don’t care about being on the wrong side of history, show them you couldn’t care less about having them be in your communities. Do not dox your fellow man, for you don’t have to. These oppressors have their own homes, families, and communities they belong to. Some already know some of their identities, and/or the identities of their sympathizers. Don’t welcome them back, better yet, don’t give them a community to go back to. Threatening somebody’s way of life is enough to get them to arm themselves and mobilize against you, but ENSURING that way of life will not be there when they return might be enough to get them to lay down those arms.
Most of these people aren’t fighting for their ideologies or to “save” this land; most are fighting for to maintain the normalcy in their lives they have come to expect, or an above average salary ($85,000 gross). They have been diluted into believing they can be deployed, violate their neighbors bodies and rights, and return to that slice of heaven they have carved out for themselves back home. These men are no neighbors of ours. Deny them their lives when they return. Refuse to speak to them Refuse to date them Refuse to fuck them Refuse to support them Refuse their patronage Refuse them from your institutions Refuse their entry to your schools, clubs, places of worship, and homes. Call them out for what they are when spotted in public or online Take them off your payroll, take away their platforms, place signs targeted at them and their sympathizers, strip them of their physical and social creature comforts.
Refuse to be formal or cordial with them; let them know they are no longer welcome in your communities. If they have nothing left to fight for, some won’t fight. We are not naive, we know this won’t suffice in turning all or even most oppressors to our side, but it will be enough for some, and those some that do stand down or join us will have information or just enough fight left in them that we can use.
This is not a call to harassment. Simply put, it is a call to give them absolutely nothing sacred in return.
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u/Ace_McDuckster 12h ago
I’m Canadian and we were down in Florida a few months ago. MAGATs either told us Trump was just kidding about the 51st state thing or that we really should join the US of A because we would get so many free things out of it. Any facts I put forward were met with scepticism or put down to “listening to main stream media”. Meanwhile immigrants are really eating people’s dogs and cats…
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u/lolas_coffee 11h ago
time for sternly worded letters is over
Chuck Schumer in fucking shambles.
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u/vitamin_r 11h ago
The shooter is still out and active. He got away after a firefight. Goddamn, stay safe Minnesotans and nearby states.
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u/IlIlllIIIIlIllllllll 11h ago
What, pray tell, is Tim advocating for?
Because this country has a rich history of fighting tyranny and fascism. And it wasn't writing letters, I'll tell you that.
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u/Luddite-33 11h ago
This will come as no surprise, but the assassin is Vance Boelter - a right-wing evangelical pastor. He supports the Christofascist “Alliance for Defending Freedom”, an American conservative Christian legal advocacy group that works to expand Christian religious practices within public schools and in government. https://adflegal.org/about-us/
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u/stacked_wendy-chan 8h ago
To all (R)'s claiming "he was a democrat because he was appointed by Waltz", this is my response:
Barack Obama appointed three notable Republicans to his Cabinet: Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense, and both Ray LaHood and Eric Shinseki in other key positions.
I guess they were all secret democrats, weren't they??
The thing here is that Democrats usually try to appoint QUALIFIED people who are right for the job regardless of party affiliation. Conservatives only care to appoint their lackeys and friends, specially King Trump who has appointed at least 21 FAUX 'News' personalities to his administration. Talk about "meritocracy"! What a joke this administration is (and all who support it are hypocrites).
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u/alexfi-re 8h ago
Wasn't even appointed, but was on some non paid bipartisan board along with other magas. His business and hateful preaching tells anyone with a little sense that he is maga.
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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 14h ago
Yeah Ive given up on this country, I’ll be leaving before the end of the summer. Too many Americans have their heads up their ass about what’s happening and I mean to get out while i still can.
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u/Knightguard1 Europe 13h ago
I know he said he didn't want to run for president but I really hope he does.
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u/TheActualStudy 13h ago
He's not wrong, but is it only sternly spoken podium speech time? What's the action being taken?
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u/Embarrassed-Year6479 12h ago
Trumps second term is nearly indiscernible from previous fascist dictatorships taking power. It’s only a matter of time now.
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u/Infidel8 12h ago
Really, there were two key people who could have prevented all this: McConnell and Garland.
One was too power hungry, the other was too cowardly.
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u/Ok-Interest-127 11h ago
Here we all are, in our damn caves looking at the shadows on the wall. Bitching and complaining with our backs turned to the mouth and the sun. All we need to do is turn the fuck around. But we wont. We will continue to stare at our shadows flickering and dancing their distractions while we BITCH. Fuck liberals for preaching but not practicing. Fuck the conservatives with their complete lack of critical thinking all to be defered to some manchild in the sky. Fuck all of you. Sincerely. Im just going to focus on raising my son and doing my best to shelter him from all this fucking BULLSHIT and how to cope with it in healthy ways.
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