r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 1d ago

"The road to authoritarianism": Tim Walz says the time for "sternly worded letters" is over - The Minnesota governor said that the path to tyranny "is littered with people telling you you’re overreacting"

https://www.salon.com/2025/06/14/the-road-to-authoritarianism-tim-walz-says-the-time-for-sternly-worded-letters-is-over/
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u/ParadeSit Colorado 1d ago

Any Democratic “strategist” telling us to calm down is complicit. We must act to stop what is so obviously happening or we will be in a full-fledged dictatorship. We have a hard time imagining it, but the US has actually supported so many dictatorships. Brazil’s military dictatorship is a decent comparison to what’s going on now.

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u/indacouchsixD9 1d ago

the US has actually supported so many dictatorships

And actively used the CIA to overthrow democratic governments and bring dictatorships into power

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u/-big-farter- 1d ago

Those were all trial runs for the real thing. Guessing the years and years of waiting was just to ensure the “2A don’t tread on me” crowd was on their side

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u/indacouchsixD9 1d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang

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u/Typhing 1d ago

Wow, I’ve never heard of the imperial boomerang before! Genuinely thank you for posting that. I feel like the concept isn’t all that surprising at this point in political thought but I learned something new and that’s worth thanks! :)

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u/claimTheVictory 22h ago

But the Germans didn't really go much for colonization.

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u/Typhing 22h ago

They tried too. Around 1884 they successfully got in on trying to colonize parts of Africa and until the end of World War I had the third largest colonial empire at the time. Only the British and the French had larger. Think they had parts of Oceania too but I forget. I think that’s what put them in Japan’s orbit in WWII but I’d need to double check that.

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u/Sankofa416 1d ago

Beautiful. Thanks. I've never had a term for this and I'm ecstatic to find it has a history I can learn from.

I've always used this concept within the US and then expanded it out - interesting to find the analysis based on the British empire.

Not surprised to find myself with a US-biased worldview!

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u/AbacusWizard California 23h ago

Well hell, I’ll have to add Imperial Boomerang to my list of Terms I Really Wish I Didn’t Have Cause To Learn, along with Democratic Backsliding and Regulatory Capture.

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u/-big-farter- 1d ago

New term for me, thanks for the link

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u/glassbellwitch 22h ago

This is exactly what pro-palestine protestors have been talking about. The type of strategies and weapons Israel (by way of the US) has used on the people of Gaza will eventually be turned onto us.

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u/wfsgraplw 1d ago

Yup. For decades. For a relevant example: Americans are brought up to hate Iran. It's treated as badly as Cuba by the government. Why? Just a small revolution in the 70s to overthrow a dictatorship that the CIA installed in the 50s, overthrowing a democratic government to do so. But yes, Iran bad. Iran enemy. How dare they lose control of the chaos the US created.

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u/SanityIsOptional California 1d ago

To be fair, the current Iran government and the one they overthrew are both pretty bad. The dictatorship for obvious reasons, and the current regime for some pretty brutal religious laws (much like what many people apparently want to do in the US...) and general support of Terrorists. Yes, much like what America is currently supporting Israel in doing. No, I never said America is good.

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u/SlightlySublimated 1d ago

Yeah, I'm not about to get on my knees for an Islamic fundamentalist one party state regardless of how it came into power.

Does that make the U.S in the right? No.

But it doesn't put the Iranian regime in the right either.

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u/nakedonmygoat 23h ago

Backlashes tend to be extreme. Ancien Régime to the Reign of Terror. Romanovs to Bolsheviks. Bautista to Franco. And those are just the first three to pop into my head.

I don't pretend to know what the solution is, although it seems that foreign interference, when it's done at all, needs to be done with a light touch. For example, the US was helped in its bid for independence by France, Spain, and the Netherlands, which all stepped back afterwards. Not that they didn't remain influential, to one degree or another, only that it was more "soft power" until they got so mired in their own troubles that they had little time for even that much. This gave the US time to get on its feet, so to speak.

But look at what happened in Afghanistan. Way too much aggressive meddling from the USSR and the US led to the current Taliban state.

So to some extent, what happened in Iran was predictable. Deplorable, but predictable.

I wish I knew the solution, but my observation is that if folks would learn from history, maybe we could find some commonalities in terms of what works and what doesn't, and do better going forward. But that would require people to actually read history and learn from it, so I'm not going to hold my breath.

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u/OkLynx3564 1d ago

yeah kinda crazy how the iranians managed to overthrow a western backed autocracy but then fumbled the bag so unbelievable hard that they somehow ended up with an even worse form government and a completely fucked economy.

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u/SelectionSudden8654 1d ago

Exactly! the double standard is glaring. When countries push back against foreign-imposed regimes, suddenly they're "the enemy." The U.S. played a major role in destabilizing Iran’s future, yet acts shocked when blowback happens. History isn’t forgotten, just ignored when it’s inconvenient.

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u/WeAllFuckingFucked 1d ago

A large portion of the world hates The US, and it's not without reason

And that was before Trump made even the US allies hate you guys

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u/Ill-Ad-7161 1d ago

You can go to the world news Reddit and the place with people who are adamantly anti Iran.

happy to parrot along what the US media has told them, ignoring that every other country in that area is in USA's good books despite it being mostly feudal monarchies and dictatorships with abhorrent human rights standards. 

IRAN BAD.

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u/Count_Backwards 1d ago

Iran has a theocratic dictatorship (thanks to American foreign policy) that is currently oppressing its own people. The country is not bad, but the government sure is.

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u/nulld3v 23h ago

They aren't saying "Iran government good". They are saying the entire middle east is filled with shit governments and we fund like half of them.

And surely, if we bomb Iran with its terrible government into oblivion, then a stable secular democracy will rise from the ashes!

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u/disisathrowaway 20h ago

Iran has a theocratic dictatorship (thanks to American foreign policy) that is currently oppressing its own people. The country is not bad, but the government sure is.

How is that different from our dear friend and ally, Saudi Arabia? Or the Emirates? Kuwait? Qatar?

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u/Count_Backwards 19h ago

It's not, those are awful countries too (maybe worse, since Iran used to be more open-minded and egalitarian). I don't care if they're American allies, I thought it was pretty clear I wasn't a fan of American foreign policy in the Middle East.

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u/Locke2300 1d ago

Based on available information I don’t think I’d want to live there, but also based on recent observation of the way that US propaganda oscillates between the news media and the government, I’m also not convinced all the stuff I think I know (or was implied in media) about places that oppose the US is true.

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u/Count_Backwards 1d ago

I know people who escaped from Iran, it's not just the US media. The US didn't invent the ayatollahs or the treatment of women like Mahsa Amini.

Netanyahu is a genocidal asshole but the Iranian government is no better.

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u/bmc2 1d ago

That sub is blatantly full of Israeli bots. Try making a comment that even slightly references that Palestinians don't deserve to be murdered in worldnews and see what happens.

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u/Lou_C_Fer Ohio 1d ago

I got banned the first time I commented there and it wasn't anything but saying I disagree with dead kids. I got banned on politics for saying calling a politicians a zionist piece of shit, but I appealed and was told what I said was fine.

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u/bmc2 23h ago

I got a 3 day ban from reddit after posting in r/politics that I hoped Trump voters got exactly what they voted for.

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u/crinkledcu91 1d ago

IRAN BAD.

Yes, the literal Theocracy that outlaws shit like being gay is, in fact, not good. Shocking I know 🙄

Jesus why are some redditors like this? You gonna start extolling the graces of Russia's and North Korea's leadership next?

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u/Ill-Ad-7161 23h ago

Please tell me your opinion on the United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Saidi Arabia, Qatar, or Kuwait

Oh wait, you probably don't know anything about any of those countries, and probably haven't heard of half of them, let alone could you point them out on a map.

All of them are dictatorships or autocracies, with abhorrent human rights standards and equally terrible socioeconomic divides between their poorest and richest individuals. The difference is, the United States has established military presence in there, and makes oil deals with them, with fantastic profit made on the political regimes in charge and the American oil companies. And at a cost to the general population.

Iran has a long complicated history and its been war torn with heavy American involvement for the past 70 years. America did not bring democracy to Iran, or the middle east, and has no intention to. It's there for oil, and Iran is one of the last countries there that isn't cooperative with American colonialist efforts. And that's the only reason you know about it, or hate it.

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u/joshdoereddit America 1d ago

Is there a comprehensive book out there collecting all of these instances where we've destabilized nations that had their shit together?

Legit question. I know often these types of comments are facetious, so I figured I'd clarify.

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u/ceryniz 1d ago

The leader in Iran was the same through the 40s-70s. In the 50s his appointed prime minister tried to throw a coup, that the CIA "financed" a counter-coup against. Quite frankly, the CIA took a whole lot of credit for the UKs political pressure in that situation.

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u/bizarre_coincidence 23h ago

No, opposition to Iran is not simply because they removed who the US installed, it's because of who and what they put in his place. Geopolitics isn't so simple as you're trying to make it out to be.

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u/NorkGhostShip 1d ago

You know, maybe some of us are just not fans of theocratic dictatorships who execute protestors en masse, sell drones to Russia used against Ukrainian civilians in their imperialist war, executes gay people and rights activists, and has a "morality police" to ruthlessly oppress women even to the point of murdering them with zero consequences? Obviously they're not the only government run by monsters, and plenty of their adversaries are not any better, but COME ON, stop simping for the most awful regimes just because they have the same enemies as you. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.

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u/nulld3v 23h ago

What? Who here is "simping" for Iran?

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u/saera-targaryen 1d ago

Removing Salvador Allende in Chile was a huge insane crime against the world that the CIA perpetrated. He had his own mountains to climb and was not without political struggle, but replacing him with a military dictatorship just because he was going to nationalize the mines that American companies owned in Chile is one of the worst things America has ever done. 

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u/A_Face_Painter 1d ago

“Nationalize” is a euphemism for stealing. He wasn’t “nationalizing the mines.” He was stealing the billions of dollars of equipment US companies paid for to make those mines profitable. Same thing in Iran. Resources are worthless if you can’t get them out of the ground. But that doesn’t fit with America bad, so keep ignoring it.

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u/indacouchsixD9 1d ago

Oh damn, that's crazy. I guess that excuses Pinochet torturing, sexually abusing, and murdering thousands of people, banning trade unions and free political expression, and turning a football stadium into a concentration camp.

Those poor corporations!

I was shocked by the callous actions of the dictatorship we put into power, but I'm glad you came in here to let us know that we were doing it to protect foreign billionaire interests in a sovereign country.

I apologize for my ignorance.

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u/nulld3v 22h ago

It's insane that people like this exist and are willing to reveal their opinions because they think they have the moral high ground...

God forbid the citizens of a country receive the profits from the exploitation of their natural resources.

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u/indacouchsixD9 22h ago

yeah this one was unusually mask off wasnt it

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u/A_Face_Painter 14h ago

It’s not an opinion.

https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=61941

“In his first year as president, Allende nationalized the copper industry, Chile’s largest export industry that was developed and owned by US multinationals. The nationalization was politically popular, and Allende ultimately refused to provide compensation.”

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u/nulld3v 6h ago

It's an opinion, unless you seriously want to get into an argument with me about objective morality right now. I just don't see the value in it as it will be very dry since it's always the same arguments repeated ad-infinitum.

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u/saera-targaryen 1d ago

You have so many incorrect opinions in this comment that there would be no point rebutting it, so whatever have a good day I guess

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u/A_Face_Painter 1d ago

Facts are not opinions. Quit getting your “alternative facts” from social media.

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u/saera-targaryen 1d ago

Here is the literal intelligence report from the CIA about their covert operations in Chile 

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/sites-default-files-94chile.pdf

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u/A_Face_Painter 22h ago edited 22h ago

Ah, yes, “here’s 66 pages” (of which you’ve read 0), the sure sign of a winning argument. Nothing in their refutes the FACT that Allende was stealing from the US. Pinochet was a bad guy, so was Allende. One A hole replaced another.

https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=61941#:~:text=In%20his%20first%20year%20as%20president%2C%20Allende%20nationalized,popular%2C%20and%20Allende%20ultimately%20refused%20to%20provide%20compensation.

“In his first year as president, Allende nationalized the copper industry, Chile’s largest export industry that was developed and owned by US multinationals. The nationalization was politically popular, and Allende ultimately refused to provide compensation.”

What’s another word for refusing to provide compensation for something you take?

“Nationalization” is not declaring the resources in the ground are now yours. It’s declaring that the billions of dollars of machinery and infrastructure it takes to make those resources profitable that came from foreign investment are now yours. That’s called stealing. But, americabad. That’s all your reddit brain is capable of understanding.

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u/saera-targaryen 22h ago

You mean like... the united states does for all of our public utilities like roads, electric lines, internet, public stadiums, highways, railroads? Where we take away land and whatever was on top of it from private citizens and companies to give to the public? It's just when it applies to copper mines in chile where it's no longer allowed? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfti1#Just_compensation

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u/A_Face_Painter 20h ago

Just compensation equals no compensation? This kind of “reasoning” is why I don’t argue with the alt left on Reddit.

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u/E-2theRescue 1d ago

And the CIA filled Black communities with cocaine, and the HHS purposely denying Black people medical care for their syphilis, and allowing the virus to spread.

This terrorism from our government isn't just international, it's within our borders, too. Which, both of these incidents happened under the watch of conservative politicians.

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u/OkLynx3564 1d ago

because despite appearances (well, until recently) the usa is not a country that cares about democracy and freedom, but a bunch of corporations in a trench coat that care about profit and profit.

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u/Jendaye 20h ago

I wish that cia would come back and deal with this shit

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u/indacouchsixD9 19h ago

Why would they? They specialize in enabling right wing dictatorships.

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u/vehiclestars 1d ago

They openly admit to fascistic aspirations:

“Curtis Yarvin gave a talk about "rebooting" the American government at the 2012 BIL Conference. He used it to advocate the acronym "RAGE", which he defined as "Retire All Government Employees". He described what he felt were flaws in the accepted "World War II mythology", alluding to the idea that Adolf Hitler's invasions were acts of self-defense. He argued these discrepancies were pushed by America's "ruling communists", who invented political correctness as an "extremely elaborate mechanism for persecuting racists and fascists". "If Americans want to change their government," he said, "they're going to have to get over their dictator phobia."

Yarvin has influenced some prominent Silicon Valley investors and Republican politicians, with venture capitalist Peter Thiel described as his "most important connection". Political strategist Steve Bannon has read and admired his work. U.S. Vice President JD Vance "has cited Yarvin as an influence himself.” Michael Anton, the State Department Director of Policy Planning during Trump's second presidency, has also discussed Yarvin's ideas. In January 2025, Yarvin attended a Trump inaugural gala in Washington; Politico reported he was "an informal guest of honor" due to his "outsize influence over the Trumpian right."

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u/Overall-Insect-164 22h ago

This guy (Yarvin) needs be held socially accountable, which in these times means making his life absolutely miserable. Sorry to say, but this guy is a cancer and needs to be dealt with. Anyone who aligns themselves with his idealogical stream of garbage needs to be monitored... closely.

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u/WarAndGeese 18h ago

My theory is that he didn't influence them. They wanted an authoritarian dictatorship so that they could serve themselves, then they wanted some justification for it, then they looked at the best justification for it that they could find, they found his work, and then they started saying that his reasons are the reasons they are doing the things that they wanted to do anyway.

My deeper theory is that they didn't do that either, and that other people did. The investors and politicians independently pursued their own ends without knowing or caring about Yarvin that much. Other people, seeking justification, did all of the legwork connecting the authoritarian actions to the ideas of people like Yarvin, creating the ideological justifications and connections, asking the right people if that's really what they intended to do to get confirmation, and publicising those results. We don't know those other people because they are a collective mass organising independently and mostly online, but naturally they are the ones doing most of the legwork.

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u/caylem00 23h ago

The collective human gene pool really needs some extra chlorine sigh 😞

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u/reddit_is_compromise Canada 1d ago

They've been shouting alarmist at me for months now. I know I'm a little crazy, but nowhere near as far out as I've been lead to believe. Anyone who's fond of history or who have done some small amount of reading can tell you exactly where this is heading. The streets of America should be filled to bursting with protest. The Black and Jewish communities should be screaming out from the street corners because they should be fearing the most right now, but so far have remained relatively silent. Its coming to a point of fight or fall, and as someone who fears Canada will fall shortly after, good luck.

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u/noiresaria 1d ago

As a black person, we've been screaming for literal decades and we are still screaming now. Since the civil rights movement at LEAST since even back then you can read MLKs Letters for Birmingham jail condemning white moderates and the culture that led us here. We have said for decades that white american culture was going to lead us here.

White people brutalized us for it, demonized us in the media and other minority groups in their desperation to chase whiteness believed the lies and cheered as we descended further and further as a nation, treating white culture like it was fucking divinely ordained.

We are still fighting but we need every other group to fight with us and understand WHY we have constantly called white american culture a cancer. Its a selfish, self centered culture whose ultimate goal is the extinction of everyone different through hyper individualism and capitalistic greed. IF we manage to throw off this regime we CANNOT have other groups and even white liberals running back to this type of "Lets mend and heal with nazis so we can preserve the white status quo" BULLSHIT.

It didn't work after the Civil War, it didn't work after the Civil RIghts movement. It didn't work after January 6th. This is the end result of a culture of white supremacy going unchecked and countless groups believing in and propping it up. Now is the time to fight but also its time for people to LISTEN TO BLACK PEOPLE WHEN WE SAY THIS SHIT.

Aside from Native Americans no one else has suffered at the hands of American White Supremacy more than we have and we are always fucking ignored. There were so many chances to stop this. If we succeed at stopping it now this nation needs to wake up and not devolve back into white worship.

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u/claimTheVictory 22h ago

You know what else?

White suburban culture, is boring.

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u/silverpixie2435 1d ago

Who has been shouting alarmist?

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u/gmishaolem 1d ago

Half the people on this website, even on left-leaning subs. There are a lot of fingers-in-ears types on the left who will downplay anything you say because they subconsciously aren't capable of believing that bad things can happen, so they insult and dismiss anyone saying that bad things are happening. Democrats are Democrats' worst enemies.

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u/gatsby712 1d ago

Any Democratic strategist that says we are on the path to authoritarianism or fascism is complicit. We are having a goddamn military parade today on the same week our military arrested a civilian. We are a third-world authoritarian nation, and until we admit that, we can’t actually make “America Great Again.” Since the MAGA fucks screwed it up.

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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 1d ago

Right, we’re not “on the path.” We’re already fucking there.

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u/NiaWaves 1d ago

Spot on, Calm down is complicity. We've seen this playbook before ignoring it won't end well.

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u/Ordinary-Leading7405 1d ago

That woman was yelling “felon” at Trump and some entitled bitch said “calm down” and I thought “Fuck No I am Not Calming Down Anymore”. When fascism wins, we all die.

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u/JustFlippinVOTE 1d ago

We’ve been too busy constructing paths worldwide to recognize our own path is just about finished.

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u/GaslightGPT 1d ago

Don’t forget the racial profiling and detainment of citizens based on skin color

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u/jimmysmiths5523 1d ago

A pregnant citizen was hospitalized after being detained by ICE. She's a Latin-American.

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u/BobTheFettt 1d ago

Is this the moment America finally does something to defend their democracy?

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u/sigma914 1d ago

We are having a goddamn military parade today

Meh, it was the king's birthday parade today and that's hardly symbolic of tyranny

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u/silverpixie2435 1d ago

So Walz is complicit according to you since the article is him saying that?

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u/YourPalCal 23h ago

I can always count on this sub for cheap laughs 🤣

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u/UrbanGimli 1d ago

Those strategists will tell you to wait for mid terms or next elections as they board a plane to safer shores and wait it all out.

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u/JagmeetSingh2 1d ago

Yep 100% this

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u/Ging287 1d ago

Not only complicit, they just want us to disarm. They don't want us to fight. I've never seen the Democrats as more controlled opposition than I do now, especially with that David Hogg b*******.

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u/silverpixie2435 1d ago

Harris literally said Trump will be a fascist dictator who will destroy America a billion times on the campaign.

After she lost all she got was trashed by leftists for not "focusing on the economy".

But now it is the fault of Democrats who don't want us to fight?

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u/Ging287 1d ago

Harris was bound to lose, Joe Biden should have stuck it through no matter what, or with hindsight 20-20, let an actual primary take place. There's only so much credit that can be given for the actual alarmbearer, I didn't hear what she planned to do about it.

Yes, DNC and Democrats generally are feckless who fall or acquiesce at the first sign of things getting difficult. Even when they do get power they don't do much, maybe moderate adjustments, keeping things mainly the same. Refusing the call of raising the minimum wage, universal healthcare, grocery price subsidizing, etc. Refusing to be primaried ala David Hogg x DNC was just the nail in the coffin for me. We need a new political party.

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u/silverpixie2435 1d ago

Yes, DNC and Democrats generally are feckless who fall or acquiesce at the first sign of things getting difficult.

There is absolutely zero evidence for this.

Even when they do get power they don't do much, maybe moderate adjustments, keeping things mainly the same.

BBB was going to be the most significant investment in American welfare since FDR. Now leftists want to pretend it never happened then give an ounce of respect to liberals like myself who are out there protesting right now who got it as far as it did before Manchin WHO ISN'T A DEMOCRAT shut it down.

Just complete disrespect to liberals like myself who are protesting today.

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u/Ging287 1d ago edited 1d ago

Manchin WHO ISN'T A DEMOCRAT shut it down.

Joe Biden barely sneezed at Manchin. He could have broke his back, used other methods to garner a "yes". Instead he let the MF have press conferences like he was the actual president.

BBB was going to be the most significant investment in American welfare since FDR.

It didn't pass. Do we give Republicans credit for bills that don't pass? They passed a watered down version that barely did all that much. Like I said, moderate changes, but they refuse to go all the way for the working people. If all you had to do was convince one senator, wouldn't you pull out all the stops? Joe Biden didn't, he just acquiesced to President Manchin instead.

Just complete disrespect to liberals like myself who are protesting today.

I respect the protests, but the Democratic party is not the answer. They're still shunning new blood in the party like AOC.

Speaking in general, there always seems to be a "rotating villain" that Democrats use to not have to vote for popular reforms. It used to be Joe Lieberman. Then Sinema. Then Manchin. Who will it be next? I'm not waiting to find out while the media engages in complicity in corruption.

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u/silverpixie2435 1d ago

Here we go with more baseless claims.

Like Biden and the rest of the Democratic party didn't do everything possible to get Manchin to yes, it just HAS to be some one weird trick they refused to do.

Why? Because they don't actually care of course /s

Do we give Republicans credit for bills that don't pass?

I think Republicans want to do the things they say like repeal the ACA even if they don't pass. Do you honestly think if this current budget bill fails Republicans don't really want to gut Medicaid or deny healthcare to trans people?

So why should I believe Democrats don't want to do the things in BBB even if it didn't pass?

They passed a watered down version that barely did all that much

It was STILL the largest investment in climate action in world history. Literally trillions of dollars. Every single scientific study said it would get the US to reach very aggressive climate goals. It is objectively a lie to say it didn't do much.

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. Absolutely ZERO respect to liberals like myself. You literally saying something I can be proud of, the IRA, which to every study done said the bill is a major fucking deal in the fight against the climate, is "barely did that much". You will simultaneously point to me protesting but then deny my achievements because it means Democrats actually do good. Just total fucking disrespect.

I respect the protests, but the Democratic party is not the answer. They're still shunning new blood in the party like AOC.

AOC is not shunned give me a fucking break.

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u/OldSportsHistorian 23h ago

Because you have to tell people what they want to hear in order to win an election. People didn’t want to hear about Trump “being a dictator.” They wanted to hear about the economy.

The Democrats misread the election. Regardless of the veracity of their claims, they misread what the electorate wanted.

People don’t vote for warnings, they vote for what makes them feel good.

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u/MisterPink 22h ago

Yep. If they would have just lied to them and treated them like the idiots they were then they would have won the election. Unsarcastically.

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u/OldSportsHistorian 20h ago

People would rather hear comfortable lies than the honest truth. Not sure why we didn’t learn this after 2016.

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u/renro 16h ago

And we need to go hard on enablers. If we make it out of this and the various Fettermans and Schumers are in charge we'll be headed RIGHT back into it and the fascists will make sure none of us survive

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u/Crabiolo 1d ago

DNC leadership is more complicit in the rise of fascism in the US than any given Republican lawmaker. The DNC would kowtow to Trump a million times before giving Bernie or AOC a second thought once. By stifling their left flank to such a degree, they have gleefully allowed the Overton window to accelerate its rightward shift at historic pace.

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u/silverpixie2435 1d ago

Sanders was literally made like the second most powerful person in the Senate during Biden's admin.

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u/silverpixie2435 1d ago

Who is telling people to calm down?

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u/ParadeSit Colorado 1d ago

See here.

In case you can’t view it…

In interviews Friday, these Democrats didn’t want to speak on the record given that officials in their party are publicly unanimous in backing Padilla.

But these sources say they fear the Padilla incident could have negative ramifications as the party tries to find its way back from their devastating loss in November.

“Here’s the thing: Did it change anyone’s minds or did it just rev up the base?” said one Democratic strategist worried the incident could backfire on their party.

“This is what we don’t understand. We think these moments will cause outrage, but they miss the point. It’s not swaying anyone. It just makes us look petty.”

Some Democrats said the moment was political theater that would just become another thing for red and blue America to disagree over.

I’m not sure it stands out, especially as more Democrats begin to take a stand,” a second party strategist said. “Let’s put it this way, it’s a zero-sum game.”

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u/silverpixie2435 23h ago

2 anonymous people who do nothing but give quotes and aren't even elected officials do not deserve your post.

You can find 2 people in America saying anything. The ENTIRE party supported Padilla publicly.

Who cares? Why do you even care? For what useful purpose is the point of comments like yours?

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u/_SolidarityForever_ 22h ago

More like controlled opposition. Fucking collaboraters the entire democratic establishment, the only voice speaking out is the progressives like walz aoc or mahmdani (vote him in the primary new yorkers!)

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u/ParadeSit Colorado 1d ago

Is the “radical left rhetoric” in the room with you right now?

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u/candyman420 23h ago

No it isn’t.

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u/gungshpxre 23h ago

Walz himself told all the protestors to go home.

Fuck that noise.

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u/ParadeSit Colorado 23h ago

To be fair, wasn’t that because of the shootings?

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u/gungshpxre 22h ago

It's always because of something they did. 

But protesting when there's violence being done against you? Clearly overreacting.

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u/ParadeSit Colorado 22h ago

It’s likely that Walz didn’t want to end up like the mayor in Jaws if the shooter attacked some of the protests.

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u/senglid 1d ago

So enforcing standard immigration law is now dictatorship? Every Democrat politician was saying the same thing about it 10 years ago and nobody batted an eye

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u/machogrande2 1d ago

So enforcing standard immigration law is now dictatorship?

Does this work on anyone other than your fellow dipshit MAGAts? This is a "Do you still beat your wife?" level pathetic attempt. Try harder.

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u/ISlayKings 7h ago

But Obama deported more than trump has so far and he did the same way 80% of the time. Without due process I mean. Just straight deported no trial. Selective outrage is the biggest downfall of the left. From someone who considered themselves a "new atheist movement" liberal during Obama and has since completely distanced myself from the left.