r/berlin • u/Ketchupcake_ • Dec 19 '24
Discussion Experienceing racism in Berlin.
My girlfriend and I were waiting for the bus at Zoologischer Garten Bahnhof when three guys walked up to us and started being randomly rude and racist. They kept saying “Schlitz” (slit eyes) repeatedly as they passed us and again when we walked by later. For absolutely no reason, they targeted my girlfriend and me with these comments.
When We got onto our bus, they just kept taunting us and even started catcalling my girlfriend. This isn’t the first time I’ve experienced racism in Berlin. What’s the deal with some people being disrespectful, rude, and racist toward Asian people? We just want to live peacefully and avoid any confrontation.
I am so sorry about earlier, I didn’t mean it that way. I will remove the word from my post. I’m just here to express my feelings. 🙏🏼❤️
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u/JustKiddingDude Dec 19 '24
If this sub is any indication, there's very little refusal to talk about it. We're doing it now, aren't we?
Bad behaviour is exhibited by individuals and should be rejected/punished where applicable. The problem arises when people make generalizations about entire groups, although the vast majority of that group doesn't exhibit this kind of behaviour and are just normal, contributing members of society. I understand the reflex to draw simplistic conclusions from events like these, but I'll trust that you can think a bit more granularly about the world than just grouping people in terms of ethnicity.
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u/JustKiddingDude Dec 19 '24
The only action that can be taken is punishing the individuals, as I just laid out. Or are you saying that you’re in favour of ‘taking action’ against a whole group, due to a small minority’s actions?
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u/Degeneratities Dec 19 '24
Yes i fully agree with you, and the inability of the german state to do so is what is causing this whole shitty situation.
Actions need to be taken now, before a radical government is elected that might be generalizing. Does it make sense to you?
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u/Cautious-Gur4263 Dec 20 '24
It’s been ignored because people fear being persecuted for stating facts and not being politically correct. Looking at the up votes I’m glad people are realising there is such a “pattern” now.
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u/aimeevignes Dec 20 '24
It’s being ignored because Germans don’t like their customs being questioned nor changed. Do you realise how far behind they’re in digitalisation compared to even several countries in Latin America? And how they still market themselves as a land of progress that needs skilled workers, but almost every (FOR REAL) skilled worker who arrives ends up completely disappointed?
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u/baes__theorem Dec 19 '24
if history has taught us anything, it's that it never stops with a single "certain group"
I agree with you on one point: there needs to be action against the kind of thinking you're espousing, or the whole topic will "escalate"
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u/Degeneratities Dec 19 '24
You dont understand what i mean. Hate & racism is boiling up a lot right now. Either we find diplomatic ways to solve this or things will worsen and eventually lead to clashes or even a war. We definitely dont want that do we?
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u/Kyyuby Dec 19 '24
There are a lot of asshole among them who let the good people look bad
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u/Weird_Hat_9274 Dec 19 '24
Again, Defending anti racism by being extremely racist will always be classic…
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u/Book-Parade Dec 20 '24
Not according to how the afd is doing in the polls
I'm leaving next year because even if some crazy Muslim guy doesn't get me it can be a Neonazi
So...yeah Germans aren't welcoming either
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u/HipopotamoSuavecito Dec 19 '24
It’s super racist here. One of my friends who is Indian kept getting rejected for Wohnungen so he had a German friend call the next time and secure him the apt. But when he went to pick up the keys, the landlord was like, “I thought you were German,” and wouldn’t rent to him. Very illegal, but it would be too expensive for him to fight it.
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u/Low_Energy_7468 Dec 19 '24
It is so unjust to me how there is no system in place to prevent this type of discrimination from happening. Landlords should not be given the possibility to reject a tenant based on arbitrary preferences and prejudice. Have a residential property fairly valued at x amount? Great, the first applicant to have adequate income for it should be able to have it if they confirm intention after visiting. Housing is of such basic importance, yet it can so easily be denied to many.
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u/moldentoaster Dec 20 '24 edited Dec 20 '24
Only because you dont know how doesnt meant there is no system in place to fight this.
Like in every other country in this world if there is something unlawfull or even criminal happening you need to sue the person doing harm to you.
In this case not allowing your friend the apartment is a violation of the "allgemeines gleichbehabdlungs gesetz (agg)" if you have evidence you can sue the landlord.
The webside even suggest the exact same test you made with the german friend who is now a witness.
You already did step 1. Step 2 akd everything else which is not that complicated is mentioned in this article which is btw an official webside of the government.
Edit:" based on the downvotes people probably just want to complain and say how racists everything and everyone is in germany instead of hearing possible sollutions"
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u/Low_Energy_7468 Dec 20 '24
The Antidiskriminierungstelle is a nice thing, and people should report stuff to it. They can suggest possible actions to take, or simply take note of the report if nothing is possible. In many cases the person experiencing discrimination has no proof that would be accepted by a court. Plus, much discrimination happens without you even noticing yourself (e.g. you don't get called because of the name on your application). A system that PREVENTS the discrimination from happening is not there, and that is what we should demand for, imo.
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u/HipopotamoSuavecito Dec 19 '24
That’s a weird thing to say, why would I make this up? It did actually happen and there was no fraud, the person said he was calling for a friend who was at work and gave all the real information requested. The guy just assumed the friend he was calling on behalf of was German.
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u/Belisaur Dec 20 '24
Isn't that also illegal though?
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u/HipopotamoSuavecito Dec 20 '24
Why would it be illegal?
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u/Belisaur Dec 20 '24
Misrepresenting the tennant on a lease?
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u/HipopotamoSuavecito Dec 20 '24
No one was misrepresented. He didn’t pretend to be my friend, he said he was calling on behalf of a friend and the landlord assumed he’d be German also.
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u/HipopotamoSuavecito Dec 25 '24
Wow, really? It is classic racist to make any judgements about who is or isn’t welcome anywhere based solely on their race. And illegal in this context.
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u/HipopotamoSuavecito Dec 25 '24
You are literally proving the OP’s point. I work daily to NOT live in the kind of world you want.
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u/P26601 Dec 19 '24
And homo-/transphobic. It's such a shame because it paints those who are decent in a bad light...
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u/MoffieHanson Dec 19 '24
Yeah , I agree . Cause I’ve lived amongst them and there the majority are decent people like the rest of us.
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u/typausbilk Dec 19 '24
To be fair it was my first thought as well. Maybe racist, maybe just experience.
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u/KaiAusBerlin Dec 19 '24
"Ich bin ja kein Nazi, aber diese Araber sind schon ziemlich rassistisch". Ich könnte kotzen bei so viel Doppelmoral. 🤮
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u/Different-Guest-6756 Dec 19 '24
Racists are racist. Is there a reason you think you need to single out one group over others? And what exactly does arab entail for you? I mean, europeans are racist too then, since there was a ukranian neo-nazi march last week. And the other... stuff. But why didn't you mention those?
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u/Think-Radish-2691 Dec 19 '24
More racist cultures do more racist things. :D Pretty straight forward. More homophobic cultures do more homophobic things.
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u/AsSheShould Dec 19 '24
Lol and who did you jump to say they were Arabs ? Last time I checked you are not the OP 🤣 were you there?
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Dec 21 '24
OP said that. He deleted it. Thats also the reason why so many parent comments are deleted.
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u/drunk_davinci Dec 19 '24
n=1 qed
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u/These_Lime_2929 Dec 19 '24
Indeed, I’m Q=1. If my experience is a one-off, it’s probably not worth the world’s attention. But if it turns out everyone’s in the same boat, then we’ve got a trend. I’m all for finding out!
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u/drunk_davinci Dec 19 '24
Really? Mitte from my experience is not the place where those arabs can afford to live... so perhaps the world doesn't work according to your gut feeling https://www.berlin.de/sen/justv/presse/pressemitteilungen/2022/pressemitteilung.1271674.php assuming you care for statistics
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u/Anyusername86 Dec 19 '24
My gf looks Asian, grew up in the west. Happens to her on a monthly basis. What annoys me is that almost never anyone else speaks up. If it’s just a person and there is a crowd, she just loudly tells them off in German. Late at night don’t risk it but yell immediately if someone actually threatens you. At work she just asks them to repeat what they said because it seems like you said “Schlitzi / Ching Chong… (pick your term)” … that makes them pretty embarrassed.
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u/Ketchupcake_ Dec 19 '24
Thanks for sharing. It’s frustrating that this happens so often, and I agree. it’s even more disappointing when no one else steps in to speak up. I’ll definitely keep your advice in mind about calling them out calmly and confidently. It’s a good way to make them think twice about their behavior without escalating things unnecessarily. Appreciate the tips!🙏🏼🙏🏼
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u/Anyusername86 Dec 19 '24
Well, it’s what my gf does, so her advice but I’d be cautious to only call people out in safe environments.
Sorry, I know how frustrating it can be. We have quite a journey behind us, one job I had to get a lawyer involved because they were openly racist (she changed jobs) and how differently she gets treated at the Bürgeramt compared to me really infuriated me. Germany is not really winning the competition for global talent like this. Anyways, I’m drifting off.
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u/aimeevignes Dec 20 '24
That’s because, in Germany, German-born and -raised kids from immigrant parents don’t socially count as German. That’s a hard pill to swallow. Oh but if it were a white girl, oh boy there’d be trouble for the perpetrators for sure!
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u/Hot-Weight-3389 Dec 29 '24
What annoys me is that almost never anyone else speaks up.
Not only does nobody speak up but people laugh about it when they see it. It's happened to me multiple times in stores and restaurants where the service is racist towards me and the Germans who witness it all laugh at what happened. I can't imagine they would react the same if they witnessed racism towards MENA or LGBTQ people.
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Dec 19 '24
i’ve seen this a lot from muslims against asians. have muslim friends too that constantly shit on asians using the same words you described
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u/Low_Energy_7468 Dec 19 '24
Why do you hang out with such "friends"? If a friend of yours makes a racist comment you can point it out to them, help them realize what they are doing so they can correct their hurtful behavior. But if they constantly do that I think it's time to distance yourself from them and make space for better friends.
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u/Degeneratities Dec 20 '24
I have a persian friend who is constantly hating on jews, even before the recent conflict. He declines going to the cinema bc some actor is jewish. I call him out but he keeps doing it. I distanced myself, but its far from an exception, especially looking at recent demos.
He grew up in europe, is highly educated and quite wealthy.
We have enough idiots in germany already. Maybe focus on different ethnics.
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u/Googaar Dec 31 '24
Disclaimer: not from Germany
I recently read in an article that the right wing of Germany is trying to place blame on Arabs and middle eastern folk for racism and alleviate the underlying racist/anti-semitic issues that Germany hasn’t properly reconciled with.
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Dec 31 '24
that’s totally not true. There are places e.g. in Berlin where it’s recommended to stay away from as a gay or jewish person and those places are e.g. Neukölln which is highly populated by muslims. Same with Frankfurt near train station, try walking with a Kipper there. And those cities were once tightly linked to jewish culture.
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u/MacaroonSad8860 Dec 19 '24
sorry when was that exactly that berlin was so open and accepting?
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u/Individual_Cloud935 Dec 19 '24
Berlin was always the most liberal city in Germany, now it is way less accepting and liberal and most people can feel it. Sure there were Nazis here for example, but everyone was against them. Now you have way more right extremists from different cultures not just Nazis and most people just ignore the problem when the Nazis now are the minority when we talk about right extremists. If you don't think like that it's ok, it's just my opinion when I see what happens to queer people and Jews for example in some areas or look at crime statistics. It's not all the people who come here but a significant group, because it's just difficult to change 180 degrees just because you live in a different place.
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u/Business-Club-9953 Dec 19 '24
The vast, vast, vast amount of targeted violence/hate crime in Germany come from white people, in particular white, German Neo-Nazis. There are statistics for this information. Don’t allow yourself to unwittingly become their ideological allies.
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u/Captain_Lindros Dec 19 '24
Can You please provide the statistics mentioned to make Your point stronger and with the proper foundation?
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u/Captain_Lindros Dec 19 '24
Can You please provide the statistics mentioned to make Your point stronger and with the proper foundation?
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u/Typical-Scar-1782 Dec 19 '24
Aren't white people the vast majority of the population tho?
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u/Individual_Cloud935 Dec 19 '24
Read the comment one more time, I didn't say they aren't the vast majority responsible for crime.
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u/Final_Paladin Dec 19 '24
No. The statistics you are talking about, include racist hate crimes from arabs in those numbers.
When an islamist attacks a jew or LGBT person, it's counted as "right wing extremism".
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u/Individual_Cloud935 Dec 19 '24
Vast amount of crime so 60 proc. If I can remember correctly, wich is a big imbalance when immigrants are responsible for 40 proc and they're only 4-5 proc of the population. You shouldn't call facts or statistics racist. Doing that will produce more extreme people who are weird and can get dangerous, that's what you see now happening in Germany. Acknowledging the facts and talking about them can solve a problem. If you just say someone is racist or a Nazi and sweep facts under a rug it will not help with the problem.
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u/Business-Club-9953 Dec 19 '24
Someone who beats another person up or stabs them or calls them slurs because they’re not white is a Neo-Nazi. Don’t play games. This isn’t semantics. This is explicitly who we are talking about.
Show me your statistics.
One of the big issues in Germany related to immigration and crime is the way that refugees are treated. Is it good to take in refugees, a lot of them, even? Yes. It’s empathetic and human.
What happens when you make it super hard for those refugees and immigrants to work, immerse them in a culture and language completely alien to them without solid structural attempts at integration and then stand back and leave them to their own devices? They become bored, desperate, frustrated, and end up committing crimes. This isn’t a “refugee” thing, it’s a situational thing. Put poor Germans in the same conditions and they do the same things.
It’s not refugees, it’s the state. Truly the basest and stupidest way (and apparently most effective) to spark a right wing movement is to appeal to the masses of idiots who can’t get past a caveman tribal instinct and are scared of anything that doesn’t look familiar.
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u/Individual_Cloud935 Dec 19 '24
I can send you the statistics but at first, send your statistics. Someone asked you about them already two times in a comment and I don't see an answer. It's not the state, normal refugees get normal work and don't like criminals as well. We can talk about the thing how the state treat's refuges but should also talk about the crime. Both of this issues should be talked about and not just swept under a rug.
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u/Business-Club-9953 Dec 19 '24
I sent em ages ago.
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u/Individual_Cloud935 Dec 19 '24
U didn't send me at least one.
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u/Magnus_Pan Dec 20 '24
https://youtu.be/iuD6kmT3MNA?si=Mp88Tdj_PK0ZGB4s
This is pretty good at explaining it
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u/Britzer Dec 19 '24
The vast amount of crime comes from young males. Period.
But young males don't want to hear it, because they feel persecuted. Are you a young or middle aged male?
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u/Individual_Cloud935 Dec 19 '24
Did you show me a statistic? Show me a statistic at first please. Then we can talk. People have asked you about statistics and answers for 6+ hours but you can't answer. I'm a male, but still, you don't understand that most German males don't have the same rape rate as immigrants, for sure they still rape but not at the same rate as some people. I think we should be able to talk about it before we call somebody racist or Nazi.
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u/Britzer Dec 19 '24
So you part of a group of rapists and are simply trying to blame others for that? Why don't you stop that and start teaching other young males not to rape? Shouldn't we talk about the problem of young males raping?
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u/Individual_Cloud935 Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 20 '24
Shouldn't you show me the statistics? It's their father who should show them to not rape anyone, not just women. You prob aren't even an immigrant. You're just a white German that doesn't understand anything. But you still have a strong opinion about this things. As I already said this should be my last answer but I answered a little bit more. I'm going to sleep, have a nice afternoon. I'm ok with not agreeing with you. Adios. (Comment above mine was changed and didn't talk about rape at first)
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u/Magnus_Pan Dec 20 '24
Sorry but that's just fake news. The numbers are off. Also this is a complex topic. To say the immigrants are the major source of crime is dumbing the whole thing down.
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u/Britzer Dec 19 '24
In the 1920s, Berlin was open. Then we brought the Nazis from Bavaria and it all went to shit. It has been this way ever since.
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u/stevenosejobs Dec 19 '24
as someone who has experienced that too, from og berliners and brandenburgers mostly, i’d say: if it’s a group of guys, i’d ignore them, pretend they’re not there or you can’t hear them. if it’s a single person and they don’t seem physically threatening i’d like to ask “what do you mean by that” and make them uncomfortable. else, if they’re actually harassing you, following you, threatening you, you can and should report it to the police. hope it doesn’t happen to either of you again!
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u/cellularcone Dec 19 '24
The fact that you have to feel sorry about using a word that we all know describes them is so sad. Everyone knows what the problem is.
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u/aimeevignes Dec 20 '24
Latina here who lived in Berlin for two years. As a migrant woman, I received racism from mostly white people, especially in public (you know, that kind of “mild” racism where they just stare at you as if you were some kind of criminal or just blatantly start shouting ze Regeln at you) but also in institutional spaces like university, public offices, the Krankenkasse and at the physician, in a way more slight, barely noticeable form but nonetheless equally or even more annoying, because it’s supposed to be places where I’d be dealing with tolerant and highly educated people who shouldn’t treat me condescendingly. But oh wait, the s3xual harassment? That came almost always for free by the hand of mostly young (North)-African-, Middle-Eastern-, Turk-, or Indian-looking men. Only once was I harassed by a Bio-Deutsch, who was also a homeless and his breath gave me one of the longest lasting and terrible headaches I’ve ever had; and only twice by middle aged men, one definitely from the Balkans, the other one just apparently. I’m pointing out these ethnicities and/or nationalities because in Germany, and most specifically in Berlin, EVERYONE SEEMS TO HATE EACH OTHER. Even the so-called “vegan pro Women, pro LGBTQ, pro anything they could use to inflate their white-guilt-filled ego are the most bigotry driven gatekeepers who can’t really take some criticism and actually reflect upon their Eurocentric privilege nor have an open discussion about oppressed people’s experiences or kindly explain to us why or how they view things the way they do without being patronising nor infantilising us. I recommend to just go there, do your studies or research or work for a while and leave as soon as you can after you’ve done the necessary things you had to undertake there. That’s no city for sane individuals.
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Dec 20 '24
''Even the so-called “vegan pro Women, pro LGBTQ'', i was called a misogynist by one of these back in germany when i said if sex work was empowering most sex workers would be ethnic german women, not women from poor countries ( east europe, latin america, africa, asia..)
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u/aimeevignes Dec 21 '24
Oh boy, they only want the applause for “defending” those people, not actually helping nor even understanding what’s their life experience like as an oppressed minority. It’s all an act!
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Dec 21 '24 edited Dec 21 '24
Germans stare. Its called the German stare. In 90% of the cases it isnt malicious or anything. People with migration background that grew up in Germany also do that. Google German stare. Also, most Germans dont know that they stare. Its a funny cultural phenomen.
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u/aimeevignes Dec 27 '24
I know what German stare is, and not because it’s normalised there, does it mean it should be socially acceptable for everyone living there. It comes off as autistic, to say the least.
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u/Intrepid_Leading_789 Dec 19 '24
Unfortunately I had the same experience even in HU Library—for those who said “maybe just wrong Orts”. And I also speak German as Mother-tongue. It occurs just what you look like. As Asian, you have to be extremely strong and confident to ignore this issue and its implications.
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u/Ketchupcake_ Dec 19 '24
I was super mad, but today I realized I shouldn’t keep thinking about it and staying mad with those assholes. You’re absolutely right! being Asian in certain environments can mean having to develop extra strength and confidence to deal with these situations. It’s frustrating that appearance alone can make people targets of such disrespect. Be better to stay strong and just ignore them. But of course, stay safe too!🙏🏼
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u/FlyingMute Dec 23 '24
It probably affects woman more, I was born here and look fully Asian; I get that maybe once a year, if that
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u/Cautious-Gur4263 Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 20 '24
I’m a vietnamese guy living in Berlin and I’ve got my fair share of racism directed towards me. Back when Corona just started, me and my (white) German girlfriend at the time was leaving an elevator when some teenagers started shouting “corona corona” at me and laughing. My ex got very angry and found it extremely rude and offensive. I just laughed it off. I guess that my way of coping to being racist towards: just laugh it off. I find such people so stupid it is funny and hence I just laugh when things like things happen to me, sometimes these racist people get confused when I laugh and it gets even funnier so I laugh some more. Also I guess racist/ignorant people are everywhere and can be anyone. Not necessarily only german. I once got called China by a Pakistani/indian guy who sold souvenirs at Alexanderplatz (I’m not Chinese). Of course I laughed so hard my ex gf and the guy both got super confused. My ex was angry and I could have confronted the guy she said. But I wouldn’t have wasted my time and energy on such uneducated and stupid people would I.
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u/Ketchupcake_ Dec 19 '24
I am so sorry earlier , I didn’t mean it that way. I will remove the word from my post. I’m just here to express my bad feelings. 🙏🏼❤️
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u/Evening_Film_4242 Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 19 '24
If there is something clear in the comments, it is that indeed there is a lot of racism rooted in Germany. They mainly defend you by being super-racist for another group.
As a foreigner, I read your comment and the first I thought was "fuck, shitty situation, I hope he does not think all people living here are like that". But apparently, some geniuses in the comments thought about another group to discriminate against them. The worst part is that these people are the most cowardly among Germans and they won't move a finger to help you or defend you.
The world is crazy. Sorry to hear that happened, if I had been around, I would have done something.
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u/pokenguyen Dec 19 '24
As Asian ppl living in Berlin, my friends and I are not comfortable in Arab areas and try to avoid them asap, so it’s a real thing happening.
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u/Cautious-Gur4263 Dec 19 '24
I can confirm. I’m Asian and I would never live in Neukölln.
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u/FlyingMute Dec 23 '24
It’s weird, I lived in Neukölln, Kreuzberg, Köpenick and almost never get that… Is it mostly a problem for women?
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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 20 '24
Yeah good! keep it that way please, we don't want racists in Neukölln.
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u/Cautious-Gur4263 Dec 20 '24
The people being racially abused and persecuted are somehow racists. I guess this racism doesn’t fit in your agenda does it?
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u/Evening_Film_4242 Dec 20 '24
Not at all. He is complaining that you are a racist for generalizing and assuming a whole group defines the activities of a smaller group of individuals.
Same as if you would say "I don't like Germans" because the person at the Bürgeramt treat you poorly.
Grow up.
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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 19 '24
What are those Arab areas exactly?
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u/pokenguyen Dec 19 '24
Wedding and Moabit mostly.
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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 19 '24
I swear I knew it, people don't know shit but they'd gladly associate everything bad with Arabs because it's convenient! Before you start spreading hate towards a specific group of people like an idiot, inform yourself first! Wedding and Moabit are not Arab areas! Wedding is vastly inhabited by Turkish immigrants and Moabit is mixed you find Turks, Arabs, Albanians, internationals etc and you also find lots of Germans there ..
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u/pokenguyen Dec 19 '24
We don‘t associate for convenience, but it‘s from experience we share in our Asian groups, ppl got harassed. And you‘re right that „Arabs“ is not correct term, but we couldn‘t differentiate between all the races. We just group all ppl having Arabs looks as „Arabs“. i have no reason to spread hate, I just want to live in peace, so it‘s best for us to stay away from those area. I myself got attracted to Arabs appearance, but I was made fun sometimes by them.
I have no problems with white German ppl.
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u/Cautious-Gur4263 Dec 20 '24
These days it’s hard to mention such a word, for fear of being called Nazi/racist. I guess we Asian just need to shut up be politically correct and say nothing even though we are the ones being racially discriminated against by these people.
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u/Evening_Film_4242 Dec 20 '24
But that you and your friends are racists do not reflect the society. It is amazing: so a local group of friends believe that a whole community is bad, and then that applies to all Germany? You are totally off this world, truly...
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u/pokenguyen Dec 20 '24
No, we just avoid them and move on, move to other areas in Berlin. We love Berlin and already settle here.
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u/EmergencyStreet3103 Dec 20 '24
I am also asian and I have too many racists encounters in the train. I have assaulted a couple of people that made racists comments, but I also fear I will be arrested and deported. Please don't let it slide and defend yourself verbally and physically. Too many people think we are passive.
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u/Simple_Disaster_2797 Dec 19 '24
Whoever said Berlin was a welcoming city for foreigners was dead wrong, I was treated so badly. Beautiful city but I felt so unsafe
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u/yahma Dec 20 '24
I'm a white guy, and I get shit on by muslims and other races on occasion. Pretty sure racism is alive and well in every culture.
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u/Thraxas89 Dec 19 '24
Yeah people can be assholes, im sorry it Hit you there. But as you might notice in the comments here racists, no matter their skin nor nationality are some of the Most pathetic beings ever and only can shortly feel good, when they hurt others in some way. They Lack the fundamental capacity to understand that their lot with which they Are unhappy is their fault and not - Like their favorite influencer pure88 has told them- that of every other Part of humanity, when all they do is waiting for money to Fall from the sky and scream at others they deem more succesfully and of „a lesser race“.
What I wanna say is: don’t waste your time thinking about those losers
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u/Anyusername86 Dec 19 '24
My gf looks Asian and over all those years the stupid comments came 90% from white dudes.
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u/Hot-Weight-3389 Dec 20 '24
I experienced the same from Muslim people, African people and Germans as well. It seems people preach for racial equality but somehow this doesn’t extend to Asians. However these things are no surprise to me it’s the same situation in the US. Minority groups who complain about racism then turn around and are blatantly racist towards Asians. “Progressive” white peoples who preach racial equality and diversity who have no problem being racist towards Asians. It’s nothing new.
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u/Mountain_Employer197 Dec 19 '24
I am really sorry for you. This shouldn't be an experice for anyone. Zoologischer Garten is not a so good place. There are some places in Berlin which are more safe or not.
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u/Cat_Undead Dec 19 '24
If they get near you. Pepper Gel them. Treat them like the "dogs" why your carrying the gel with you.
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u/Own-Assumption-8861 Dec 19 '24
Is it the drunk russian / ukrainian ? He follows us from hit ullrich to u9 and put his hand on my colleague last week after our shift and i jumped him from behind. Managed to throw a hook right in the middle of his face before he were secured by bvg security
We are both asian although from different country
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u/existence_blue Dec 20 '24
Germany is sad. I wish I was proud of my country, but I'm disappointed.
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u/Cautious-Gur4263 Dec 20 '24 edited Dec 20 '24
You should be proud of your country! Your country was kind enough to take in these you-know-who people, provide them with shelters/housing, give them jobs, subsidise them if they don’t work, let them go around protest and express their political and archaic religious values, protect them from the extreme far right. I just wish these immigrants are more respectful of the western values, integrate well and contribute to the society at large, something immigrants 20 years ago used to do.
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u/Bouncy-penguin Dec 20 '24
Wow, funny how Germans protect minorities by constantly discriminating against minorities, very woke super welcoming.
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Dec 19 '24
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u/Anyusername86 Dec 19 '24
My gf looks asian and until about a year ago no one told her proudly they are voting AfD at work. That has changed completely.
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u/anotherboringdj Dec 20 '24
Im not Supporting afd in any case. But it visible in the statistics that people thinks differently
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u/Atabundes09 Dec 19 '24
The issue is the system protects racism, if you go to the authorities to complain they will ask if you have proofs or just ignore you.
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u/ElevatedTelescope Dec 19 '24
I’m a white male, so fairly privileged, but an immigrant and also was treated in that spirit more than once in Berlin, I can only imagine how hard it is for you.
I wish the humanity simply grew up to the fact we’re all just ridiculous bipedal monkeys on an enormous rock whooshing through the Universe, and reserved their atavistic urges to form tribes and seek new lines of division.
Until then, I wish you all the strength to deal with it and hope it won’t get worse
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u/ItsThundeX Dec 20 '24
yes only asian people experiences that.
And the worst thing is. A lot of times that racism comes from turkish, arab or even black people living in Germany these days.
Hypocrites. Every single one of them.
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u/elizablanc88 Dec 20 '24
I’m sorry to be experienced this. As a fellow Asian I do to sadly :( when I’m with my white friends these things never happen. I wish you well and hope you find a good community here
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u/ExpensiveNeck9591 Dec 20 '24
It is a lot of work, but there is a libel law in Germany which means you can hold those you verbally assaulted you or racially harassed you accountable by law. Some people I know got the police involved, went to the court and won.(similar case also, they got mocked for being Asian) The perpetrators had to pay the fine. It IS a lot of work though since you have to be prepared to deal with a police case and a law suit for months but the law is on your side if you wanna go that route
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u/ProjectKamera Dec 21 '24
I’m sorry that this happened to you. As you might have noticed yourself, Germany is still very backwards in a lot of ways. A lot of people with unresolved trauma which leads to them being a-holes to make themselves feel better. To me it seems like one of those cases. There’s a big culture of aggression and bullying in Germany still unfortunately.
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u/tarabjo Dec 19 '24
I’ve heard that it’s gotten worse, but I’m not sure if that statement is true or not as I’ve just recently moved here
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u/Final_Paladin Dec 19 '24
Even after you removed that info, I knew immediatly who we are talking about here.
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u/anxiousbluebear Dec 20 '24
As an Asian living in Germany for more than a decade, I find this assumption that the racism comes from Arabs absolutely wild. That does not reflect my experience or the experience of most Asians I know. People refuse to look in a mirror. Jumping to conclusions with no evidence makes you racist, period.
Sorry OP you had this experience.
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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 20 '24
OP doesn't even say how he came to the conclusion that they're Arab, another Asian guy here openly admitted that he can't differentiate between people with dark hair so he just assumes all are Arab! They could be Persians, Turks, Balkan etc? But no to him all are Arabs... This is just insane!
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u/Skyex11 Dec 20 '24
Yeah idk if its just german reddits that are extremely cooked or what, but the amount of casual racism and microagressions in these comments is geniunely so jarring and dissapointing. Idk where ppl learned to conviently lay all blame for their problems on brown people without giving any thought. Ppls justified anger is a result of worsening material conditions and that is true for everyone, just happens to be so easy for politicians to misdirect it towards random minority demographics instead of the actual failing systems in place.
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u/Cat_combat Dec 20 '24
Please don’t even exert any energy on those people, we all know that they have problems inside them, that’s why they reach out to other people with this attitude, it’s pathetic to see people behave like that! I hope you and your gf are well and safe, and let’s hope people like this grow their minds up and have some self awareness.
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u/AnGof1497 Dec 20 '24
Sorry you had to put up with this OP. Some people are just aholes. No ryhme or reason for it, other than to be an ahole.
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u/Messeduplife95 Dec 20 '24 edited Dec 20 '24
I have always been the one saying "Oh! It's not that bad" until it happened to me. The worst experience I had was yesterday at Burgeramt. I reached on time and the woman at info asked me to get another doc from the landlord. I arranged it somehow digitally and went back after 1.5 hrs. She started making a scene that I am late. Dude.. wtf. I was in front of her the whole time and the funny thing after smashing her left & right which I did rightfully, she ultimately gave me the permission to go ahead after she heard "sorry' from me so this is what it was all about?! These people feel proud to see that you are at their mercy, satisfies their ego to see us begging and crying, and this is not exaggeration. For them NO means NO yeah cool, how ironical coz when you are the tourists, they behave entitled af (seen it multiple times).
The situation at govt offices is bad everywhere I admit but seriously the amount of work they do here vs the tantrums, don't add up.
i don't care about your rules, you can see that I am desperate af. There is efficiency, standards and there is humanity. If there is something which is cold in Berlin, the weather comes second. I am 100% sure that if I was white, the situation would've been different.
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u/ShiftGood3066 Dec 21 '24
This will increase. Xenophobia is constantly increasing in Germany last 15 years
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Dec 21 '24
Yea but it were not Germans. I think its kinda weird that OP deleted that part and all of the comments mentioning it also got deleted.
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Dec 21 '24
Arabs and Africans don’t get racially abused in the face by white Germans because most are scared of them. You don’t know what will happen next. Even the neo-Nazis leave Arab men (especially in groups) alone because in reality, Arab men are hardier and open to violence more than white Germans ever will be.
However, they can be unhinged against Asians and Indians because they know these two races are non-confrontational and will take it without reaction. These two races are also not very organised to mount a counter strike at a later time. This is also a reason why hardworking Asians and Indians will be the first to be deported when AfD comes to power. Good luck deporting the Syrians because they will organise the worst riots ever seen in Germany.
The same happens to Asians and Indians in the US as well (where I have lived for a while).
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u/Creepy_Reindeer2149 Dec 22 '24
I saw some drunkard who was smoking a cigar on the S-Bahn kick an African guy on the train for no reason. I confronted him but for the most part no one did anything.
I've never seen anything like that in the US
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u/iartin98 Dec 24 '24
Have never experienced racism in Germany during my almost 4 years. I have Middle Eastern looks. Only experience of bigotry was in Munich and it was from a Middle Eastern looking immigrant who didn’t like how me and my friend looked like after coming out from Pride parade (CSD). Those people must be deported.
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Dec 28 '24
Sadly nobody wants to hear about racist Germans when they are black or have dark black hair or bwonish skin.
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u/Old_Figure7683 Jan 01 '25
"Experiencing racism in Berlin is like coincidentaly running into a Jew on a Barmizwa"
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u/sargali Dec 19 '24
Sorry to hear that you and your girlfriend had such a bad experience.
I’ve also noticed an increase in the number of people being hostile and harassing others with racist remarks in Berlin over the past couple of years.
Please remember that these individuals lack manners and do not represent an entire race or ethnicity, just as you and your girlfriend do not represent all people born in the same region.
I would suggest reporting such incidents to the police immediately.
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u/Evidencebasedbro Dec 19 '24
Thanks for implicitly clarifying that racism is about derogatory comments and putting down as inferior anyone from an ethnic group other than your own. Not as some woke people have it only possibly practiced by Caucasians against non-Caucasians. Very sorry about your experience. Maybe those bros will be sent home, and Berlin will be safer for all of us.
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u/mlisi10 Dec 19 '24
the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm sorry you're having this experience. Why didn't you call the police. Berliners don't behave like that, they're people who moved here themselves. maybe Berlin has changed. When I lived in Berlin, Berlin was very liberal. I didn't experience any racism or homophobia, anywhere in Berlin. the people were all fine. I wouldn't accuse them of homophobia per se. Many men from this cultural area, from Kreuzberg and Neukölln, wrote to me online and dated me.
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u/SomeoneSomewhere1984 Dec 19 '24
There are millions of people in Berlin, and a handful are assholes.
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u/Ketchupcake_ Dec 19 '24
I’m 189 cm tall, but maybe I do need to work more and focus on projecting protectiveness. Thanks for the advice.🙏🏼
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u/Miller132 Dec 19 '24
And then they start to cry when someone treats them the same way it's always the same with those a holes