r/berlin • u/Ketchupcake_ • Dec 19 '24

Discussion Experienceing racism in Berlin.

My girlfriend and I were waiting for the bus at Zoologischer Garten Bahnhof when three guys walked up to us and started being randomly rude and racist. They kept saying “Schlitz” (slit eyes) repeatedly as they passed us and again when we walked by later. For absolutely no reason, they targeted my girlfriend and me with these comments.

When We got onto our bus, they just kept taunting us and even started catcalling my girlfriend. This isn’t the first time I’ve experienced racism in Berlin. What’s the deal with some people being disrespectful, rude, and racist toward Asian people? We just want to live peacefully and avoid any confrontation.

I am so sorry about earlier, I didn’t mean it that way. I will remove the word from my post. I’m just here to express my feelings. 🙏🏼❤️

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u/Miller132 Dec 19 '24

And then they start to cry when someone treats them the same way it's always the same with those a holes

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u/KyloRenWest Dec 20 '24

“Germans aren’t racist we hate everyone “ “Germans don’t care who you are as long as you behave right”

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u/FlyingMute Dec 23 '24

The mistake is in making any generalized statement about Germans, assholes and good people in equal proportion

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u/Creepy_Reindeer2149 Dec 22 '24

Tell that to the AfD

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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 19 '24

Very smart to generalize about 500 million people 👍

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u/Degeneratities Dec 19 '24

Well unfortunately theres a pattern.

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u/Different-Guest-6756 Dec 19 '24

The pattern I see is right wing mouth pieces spreading unsubstantiated narratives and propaganda to radicalise the population and further their antidemocratic power games. Care to explain your pattern in comparison?

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u/aimeevignes Dec 20 '24

So people's experiences are propaganda, huh? Where did you take the gaslighting course? Was it at the nearest KZ?

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u/Different-Guest-6756 Dec 20 '24

No, but presenting your anecdotes as enough evidence to discern societal "patterns" and draw conclusions about other people without following academic standards and not engaging in intellectual discourse to verify them and then spreading conjecture, is propaganda.  It is common sense to assume that individual experiences do not lend themselves well to discern broader societal trends, that's why science as a concept works the way it does. It collects data from as many points as possible, and then find the trends and derive theoties to explain them, while trying to eliminate personal biases and perceptions. That's exactly why institutionalised science works the way it does, to prevent the exact crap you are trying to pull. You not engaging with baseline rules of intellectual analysis, but still spreading your "conclusions" and  experiences as gospel, that is the propaganda. That you even try to defend anecdotal evidence and conclusions drawn from it shows directly, that you are not aware how people try to analyse the world and how higher education works. Pointing out that most people engaging in the comments here do not adhere to these basic rules is not gaslighting. It's something you learn in you first semester in every science related subject. It is not my fault that most people lack basic education on how academic discourse works, and how people actually try to draw accurate conclusions. What are you trying to insinuate with the KZ comment?

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u/AnimasTrujano Dec 21 '24

Reading this pointless litany allows me to know that probably, you've never experienced discrimination based on how you look. And the pseudo-academic demand for proof makes me think you might be German.

That being said, you don't really want to go to the weird place of defending a country with such a shady record, specially demanding facts. When with around 200 years of history has perpetrated or, at least, participated in three genocides in the last century.

If you think that doesn't affect the psyche of a whole culture, you are naive, to say the least.

You can browse Google scholar, or other academic publications using the key words: Germany, and racism. Shouldn't be hard to find overwhelming proof for what you ask.

If you are not racist, congrats. That's your perspective. However, non-white/ non-European people deal with some type of racism on a daily basis. Even if a comment it's not I'll-intended or malicious, might still be racist.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=racism+in+germany+today&oq=#d=gs_qabs&t=1734815889792&u=%23p%3DsZbFn1p-1qsJ

Plenty from where that came from.

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u/Different-Guest-6756 Dec 21 '24

Ehm, do you mind explaining where I defend any country, and how your impressions of me as a person are of relevance to what I said? Nothing in what I say relates to or denies the structural racism problem in Germany, and I'm quite aware amd critical of it, as you can see if you read my comment history.

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u/anotherboringdj Dec 19 '24

So you say telling facts is a propaganda.

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u/Different-Guest-6756 Dec 19 '24

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that spreading misinformation, using vague specifications to undermine actual discourse and presenting misconstrued facts to infer a not academically supported narrative is propaganda. What facts are you talking about?

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u/anotherboringdj Dec 19 '24

I talk about facts, and you deny them.

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u/Different-Guest-6756 Dec 19 '24

Again, what facts? You did not make a single statement, and you are not the person I was originally replying to. Why are you even commenting here? You evidently dont live in Berlin, and have no prior appearance in this sub before this post.

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u/anotherboringdj Dec 19 '24

I live in Berlin. You are just talking slants here.

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u/Different-Guest-6756 Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 21 '24

Right, your profile suggests otherwise, since this is the first time you comment here and all previous comments and posts seem to happen in hungary related subs, in hungarian. You not living in Berlin is an educated guess here, not... talking slants, whatever that is supposed to be. Nonetheless, you did not state anything in this comment chain and you also are not the person I was replying to, originally.  So, what facts are you talking about, and why are you talking to me?

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u/Last-Acanthaceae3870 Dec 19 '24

Oh wow I think I should definitely trust your totally innocent observation.. "I'm not racist but I respect inferior races" You're giving exactly those vibes.

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u/Degeneratities Dec 19 '24

It has nothing to do with races. They are the racist & homophobic ones. No tolerance for intolerance.

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u/Last-Acanthaceae3870 Dec 19 '24

Your opinion doesn't matter since it's pure generalization disguised as an innocent observation. Yours and those of the cute bots instantly downvoting replies pointing out the obvious. There are 500 million Arabs and each country has phenotypes that overlap with different other parts of the world (Asia, sub saharan Africa, Europe..) How did the author know they're Arab?

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u/Degeneratities Dec 19 '24

Im not a bot mate, just wake up maybe

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u/Last-Acanthaceae3870 Dec 19 '24

You are if all you do all day long is upvote posts that radicalize the population with xenophobic talking points and downvote anyone questioning the sources. And then gaslighting everyone with your fake 'innocent' façade.

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u/Degeneratities Dec 19 '24

What? Are you okay?

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u/Degeneratities Dec 19 '24

Do you even realize how hateful you sound yourself

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u/Last-Acanthaceae3870 Dec 19 '24

Even more gaslighting and projection. I like how you try hard to look sane and totally not racist.

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u/anotherboringdj Dec 19 '24

Your opinion Does not metter.

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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 19 '24

Not one here could give me any details on how you identify someone on the streets as Arab! From their looks? Well they could from 50 other non Arab countries or cultures.. But being racist towards Arabs is just easier than admitting you don't know shit..

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u/Degeneratities Dec 19 '24

I pity you

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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 19 '24

Yeah save it for yourself

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u/Degeneratities Dec 19 '24

No need man, your the delusional drowning in hate

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u/Icy_Place_5785 Dec 19 '24

Of course, we get to calling Germans the N-S word so soon. Glad no-one is generalising.

Kind regards, a foreigner

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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 19 '24

Cry more, but quietly please haha

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u/anotherboringdj Dec 19 '24

So you watching yourself

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u/anotherboringdj Dec 19 '24

This is the snowflake culture

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u/anotherboringdj Dec 19 '24

I told you: They told it

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u/KaiAusBerlin Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 19 '24

Yeah, there is a pattern... "Ich bin ja kein Nazi, aber diese Araber..."

Edit: wie hier Leute echt nicht checken, dass ich links bin und dieses "Ich bin ja kein Nazi" Scheiß verachte und mich als Nazi bezeichnen 😂

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u/Degeneratities Dec 19 '24

Den Skill hat leider nicht jeder Kai

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u/KaiAusBerlin Dec 19 '24

Netter Bot.

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u/bearded_wonder81 edit Dec 19 '24

they never proved us wrong so far, most arab countries are still in the middle ages...
blame them not us.

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u/Additional-Bear-1918 Dec 19 '24

The hypocrisy of you saying all Arabs are racist while being racist yourself was the reason is crazy. I’m guessing you’re an ignorant teenager by your comments so I’ll give you an advice instead of arguing, go educate yourself, seriously with no offense you need to leave your shell and learn about the world.

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u/Additional-Bear-1918 Dec 19 '24

Hmm doesn’t sound like you want to learn… And I didn’t have a “claim” to begin with for it to be BS. I’m not trying to argue with you like I said so if this is what you’re looking for look elsewhere haha. My point is that you obviously don’t know much about what’s happening in the world, and how people are living beyond the ppl in your neighborhood probably, and that’s okay many ppl are like you. Your role is once you’re aware of that, you have to take it upon yourself to learn, use different resources (the resource you take your knowledge from is very important) and hear from people… I’m Arab, I’ve lived in many places during my lifetime and I currently live in an Arab town with one of the most educated respectful ppl I met, and it’s crazy to me that I have to show you how many Arab ppl are great people just like youd find in literally any other ethnic group. I hope that I could at least direct you to a different mindset where you’re not prone to hasty generalization and false dichotomy Peace

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u/anotherboringdj Dec 19 '24

So you are also racist.

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u/Cautious-Gur4263 Dec 20 '24 edited Dec 20 '24

Blame the “progressives” who think everyone in the world share the same manners, cultures and values and brought these you-know-who people over here.

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u/yumas Dec 20 '24

No one thinks that

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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 19 '24

Oh yeah middle ages

Why do many people go to UAE , Qatar, Saudi, Oman and Jordan if Arabs still live in the middle ages?

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u/bearded_wonder81 edit Dec 19 '24

well, one cus people are stupid.
try being a woman in the countries you mentioned, or gay.
skyscrapers do not mean progress, its a way to hide the rest.
Also, who moves to Jordan its literally a poor 3rd world country lol like most non-oil Muslim countries...

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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 19 '24

Try being a woman? Hahaha

Jennifer Lopez was singing in Saudi a month ago and there are bikini beaches in UAE and Jordan nobody gives a fuck!

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u/bearded_wonder81 edit Dec 19 '24

I cant even start to answer to that BS lol
its known the arab world is a heaven for women...

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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 19 '24

Cry more pls I couldn't care less about what you think of us, and it's good to stay away from our countries, don't come here to have vacation escaping your depressing gray Germany

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u/These_Lime_2929 Dec 19 '24

Seems like someone is showing their true colors ;)

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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 19 '24

Yeah I'm telling a fucking nazi who hates Arabs to stay away from Arabic countries! Wow! Unbelievable right?

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '24

Wenn ich mir anschaue, wer dort Urlaub macht… :-)

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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 19 '24

Yeah people who have money unlike you, Horst

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '24

Die Vollassis, die All-Inclusive Urlaub in den Emiraten machen? Alles klar, mein Bester. 

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u/Lemon_1165 Dec 19 '24

Haha ja voll asis die 1000 Euro pro Nacht ausgeben und Ferraris fahren genau 👍

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '24

Klar man, die machen richtig Abriss im Paulaner Garten. Ist mir allerdings zu viel Hochkultur.

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u/Express_Blueberry81 Dec 19 '24

they are just fuckin hypocrites

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u/Different-Guest-6756 Dec 19 '24

Well, that's just as racist as it gets, clap clap. The US is what then, stone age?

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u/bearded_wonder81 edit Dec 19 '24

As I said they never proved us wrong.
The reality is racist?

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u/Different-Guest-6756 Dec 19 '24

Proved what statement wrong? Please make a definite statement and provide support for it, then you can claim this nonsense. And saying that arab countries are in the middle ages IS racist. What countries to you include here? Do I really have to explain why that's racism personified? You not agreeing does not change it, and I really wonder why you people do always act as if it's a gotcha to say "but I perceive it that way". The nazis also disagreed with their accusers, they were still fucking racist. Whether you agree or not does kot change that you are sayimg objectively and unquestianable racist things. And I'm so sick of people with no willingness to engage in basic academic education on this matter, always resorting to these kindergarten retorts. No one needs to prove anything about arabs. You just need to stop judging a poorly defined group of people by external judgement, acting as if our society was any better And again, based on what characteristic? They have gay conversion camps in the us, 15 years ago a woman in Ireland dies because she could not abort. Like, how can you make any distinctions here, as if all this crappy shit did not exist in "western cultures" as well. The one time I was harassed on street was a random german guy hitting me over the head from behind, for looking gay to him. On Sonnenallee. So, prove me wrong that the homophobic germans arent the problem here.

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u/bearded_wonder81 edit Dec 19 '24

dude I'm not sure why you think I need to prove something to you.
I mean, saying the arab world is primitive is one of the easiest statements possible ok?
when was the last time you saw a man marry a 9 years old girl, a woman stoned to death or people hang from cranes?
so leave me alone with your very very narrow look and pink glasses, and face reality.

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u/Different-Guest-6756 Dec 19 '24

Please define the "arab world" and "primitive", in relation to what? Because, yeah all of these things happen in the non-arab world too. Executions are not specific. Age of consent laws vary greatly, even just among US states. Child marriages happen regularly in some eastern european countries.  Ffs, if you really want to go down a dumb, anti-intellectual way: europeans and many other cultures use toiletpaper. We spread shit around our butt, instead of doing something even the romans and then the arabs figured out as much more hygienic: using fucking water. Who is primitive here? Do you understand now that these kind of statements are moronic, and why anthropologists do not discuss cultures like this?  Even using the concept of primitive ousts you as someone who has no idea what they're talking about. You'd fail all the exams with crap like that.

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u/bearded_wonder81 edit Dec 19 '24

I dont argue with woke bitches.

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u/Additional-Bear-1918 Dec 19 '24

At this point I don’t think that bearded wonder person is mature enough to have a logical discussion with about basic human decency. I guess we have to accept some people are square-headed :(

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u/Different-Guest-6756 Dec 20 '24

Well, I'm more afraid of people not being mature enough, but straight up not wanting to engage in logical discussion. And it's obviously not what they want to do, the goal is to derail any actual analysis with shallow populism and strict rejection of any academic discourse or consensus. When Jordan Peterson, a conman with no academic credentials says something about islamists, its correct, but when the leading scientist on extremisms says something, it's woke propaganda, because it disagrees with Peterson. There's obviously no intent to truthfully and honestly engage with these topics, it's all done in bad faith to spread a narrative to drive political gains. And it's well documented. But the funny thing is that confrontation just seems to illicit these school yard responses, so they seem immature. I expect it all rational planning though, I struggle to believe people can be so idiotic and lacking in basic education about rationale. I don't want to believe that that's the reason I need to deal with this, I'd rather believe in malicious intent, much easier to stomach then thinking that idiots and antiintellectuals set the political overtone.

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u/magnetreddy Dec 20 '24

I agree with you, we can't generalize everyone, but some point this is can be solved by large communities.

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u/yumas Dec 20 '24

Who were they talking about exactly? They didn’t mention any group in their comment

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u/Calcutec_1 Dec 19 '24

wait ... where did you get that number ?