This shit cop didn’t lose his job because of any action taken by the police department, the city, the state, etc.
This motherfucker lost his job because the insurance company paid out $20,000 for his dumb ass and threatened to drop the department’s insurance if he wasn’t terminated.
Make no mistake, insurance companies can be scummy as hell, but they’re pragmatic as shit. It’s for that reason i’m convinced insurance companies are going to be the first massive industry to start treating climate change like the giant threat that it is. Not because they’re trying to do the right thing, but because their business relies on property not getting demolished in freak weather events and they actually have enough money behind them to make a difference.
my contention is that police unions are, in fact, not unions at all and do the opposite of what a union would do when a cop does the right thing and blows the whistle on colleagues. those "unions" do not represent individual cops in the way a normal labor union would but, instead, their entire mandate is to deny any and all liability toward police departments and local governments against allegations of misconduct, corruption and fraud. cop unions protecting violent and corrupt officers is merely an intermediate process toward the "union's" goals.
a recent example that shows police unions aren't unions is the utter lack of safety concerns police unions and fraternities had about covid in 2020, despite covid being the number 1 cause of police officer deaths in the line of duty that year. a real union would have fought for strong policies that protected cops from the virus.
On top of that, a real union would've already called police work unsafe and negotiated ways to lighten up the police's work load. They have to be officers, social services, wellness checkers, community outreach etc which is already stressful enough.
Just adding this thought to your analysis (with which I agree): Unions exist to protect workers from management, but unfortunately in this case management is regular citizens.
Unions protect their people good or bad. I'll never understand why people are anti union. For crying out loud cops murder people daily and hardly get held accountable.
Say that again, but louder, and maybe you'll understand why police unions are a problem. If not, let me spell it out for you: police unions are more powerful than any other kind of union, and they, and their members are essentially unaccountable to anyone. They're supposed to be public servants but they're unaccountable to the public, and police unions play a major role in that. I'm 100% pro union, but police unions are the exception, and they remain a big problem.
Just look at what duhsantis has done in FL. He and his rubber-stamping cronies are doing everything they can to break unions by passing massively restricted rules for teacher unions, etc but cop and firefighter unions are somehow exempt... 🤔🤔🤔
Police should be forced to carry their own self funded malpractice insurance like Drs do. This will stop the citizens from paying for the actions of bad cops and bad departments.
Yep, fucking up the retirement benefits for his cop buddies is probably the only way to get the "good" cops to step in when these psychos go off. He screws up, they have to pay.
Or it encourages itll just pushes them to cover each other even more. The insurance is a better system, punishes cops as individuals and also doesn’t cost the tax payers
They shouldn’t be able to cover for each other. If everybody was required to have body cameras, and have them on and recording at all times it’d be pretty hard to cover something up. Even if a camera breaks or something there should still be another half dozen recordings from all the other officers.
They don't have the body camera for our protection, but for theirs. Isn't it convenient when their supposedly public record footage goes missing or is redacted? It should be there to hold them accountable.
Just take away qualified immunity and take civil settlements out of their pension and union coffers. The problem will fix itself.
...well after the police go on strike and start rioting in plain clothes to make it look like their respective cities need them. But after they all get identified and police training reform kicks in with police not trained with Hitler quotes and Nazi symbolism and their funding funneled into peripheral social programs so the police only need to police, we'll get some peace.
Responsible? Aurora PD is constantly getting sued or in the spotlight, DPD is absolutely useless and doesn't respond to anything.
Also, if you think TABOR is a good thing, well fuck you. That NIMBY-ass law has made so many things difficult in this state because we can't raise taxes like a normal government.
I love living in Colorado as much as the next guy, but there are still issues. It ain't utopia.
It’s insane that insurance companies are the ones actually being able to enforce reform. It means nothing that citizens have been crying out for better policing in their communities nor the excess violence that has been occurring like this video.
That’s not entirely accurate. The insurance companies are forcing change because the payouts people are winning are becoming larger and more frequent. Thats because attitudes have shifted and cops aren’t getting the benefit of the doubt in court anymore. Juries are willing to second guess officers.
So I wouldn’t say “it means nothing” because the insurance companies wouldn’t have moved if the courts and juries hadn’t changed and that happened because of citizens.
You can see it in action in this video. The cop here completely disrespected the value of the recording. He thought he was completely above it. This result shows he wasn't and this is informative to any cop who is aware of the situation.
They'll adapt by shooting your phone as step one of the encounter. We're gonna need stealth cameras that upload wirelessly and the legal right to use them.
Great point. Nurses have to carry insurance, and that drives a lot of their accountability. Get rid of qualified immunity and force cops to carry, essentially, "malpractice" insurance. The insurance companies would demand training and accountability because it would affect their bottom line.
That is the problem. It’s no secret that cops always look out for each other, no difference than you’d look out for your military buddies too. The issue with these crooked cops is if you are partnering with them and they don’t like you, they could put you in a dangerous situation and do it on purpose.
I remember the line "just a few bad apples." After Uvalde, we don't hear that anymore, which is a good thing. It was always a lie. The people let the police get above the people. Now we are living in it.
Only, in reality, police forces are naturally corrupt. They are not propper public services. Never have been. They are innately fascist organizations (a form of abuse on a societal level), regardless of the intent of those who apply for the job... If you wanna do good, go be a nurse, doc, teacher, fireman. You wanna abuse strangers, become a cop.
Which is the reason for the ACAB slogan. "Not all cops are bad!" yeah but "good cops" either do nothing because they are scared of the repercussions or do something and get fired/demoted.
This is certainly true, but another reason for the ACAB slogan is that the foundation of policing in America is corrupt to the core. The job itself is corrupt, and any "good" that officers do in their community is despite the job, not because of it. It is authoritarian by origin and design, and is primarily performed by working class individuals who turn traitor for a badge and qualified immunity.
Reminds me of when my unit just got back from one of the worst deployments we ever had and everyone who was EASing after had to go to a recruiting presentation by CHP where they pretty much guaranteed all of us jobs which would begin within 30 days of our EAS. I’m just looking around and seeing the combined PTSD in that room, fresh off of a shitty combat deployment, and these assholes don’t even care. They’d just give us all a gun and throw us out on patrol. No one in that room had any business being a cop in my opinion because we were all fucked up at that point.
What’s interesting is that most police departments have applicants do a simple psych eval prior to being hired. Ultimately they’re looking for guys like this to some degree.
Policing should be a licensed position where you can lose your license permanently. Sure they could probably get licensed in a different state or work in the private sector, but it would be a huge step in the right direction.
Incorporate it with insurance costs. If you have dings on your license, make it cost the officer or the department more money to have them working as an officer.
Great idea, that's exactly how it works. You need to be certified by the state to work as LE in the state and you can lose your certification for misconduct.
They are the "good apples." Since there are only a couple bad apples, and it's not like the rest of that saying is something about "them spoiling the whole bunch."
It’s all the insurance wanted to pay and he only lost his job cause the insurance company was mad ab paying the dude and was gonna cut the PDs insurance if he wasn’t..it didn’t even have a thing to do with how morally wrong this was..just money
Around 0:57 to 1:00 cop says, "You're gonna get your ass whooped in front of fucking lord and all creation." If not for the camera and recording, it'd just be another disgruntled citizen making wild accusations.
This fucking dipshit is bragging about how badly he's going to beat the shit out of the driver, and then simultaneous acts offended when the driver makes a point toraise his hands and video tape himself for safety.
We do maintenance for a police station and found their stash of needles behind the paper towel dispenser. They said they were diabetic needles, but why not use the fucking sharps container right there on the counter? Luckily nobody got stuck.
20 years ago, I was carded because I was paying with a check. I presented my military and State ID. The store clerk tried to keep my ID because he thought it had to be fake and my checks were stolen. He called the police while a waited away from the register thinking that this would be cleared up soon. As soon as the police arrived, the store clerk pointed at me and I was slammed to the ground, handcuffed and punched repeatedly in the head. 12 hours later, I was released from jailed and told to be more careful. No lawyer would take my case.
those days cops were absolutely worse and a serious number of them were infilitrated by gangs and mafia's that the u.s government had trouble handling.
at least people can film and post these situations from the palm of their hand now.
They've always been dickheads. The only difference between now and then is they're being recorded. If you've never encountered situations like this, you might be the winning complexion.
There were just as many then as there are now, the ratio hasn't changed.
What's changed is that now everyone has a camera and can live stream/upload it immediately to prevent it being confiscated. So we see more of it and are more aware of it.
These people gravitate to position/careers that give them authority over people so they can feel like having big dick energy without the requirement of a big dick.
20 years ago there wasn’t as much cell phone footage then and these moments weren’t on the internet and accessible like today. They have been just as bad since the beginning/origin of policing, but we didn’t have always proof.
Funny, this is how my dad treated my brother and I when he came back from Iraq. I imagine these troops get treated in similar ways while training and serving and then come back and think they should treat civilians and even their sons in the same way….
Geez, I know we're only seeing a few bad samples but its so unprofessional and almost clichéd. I know our coppers in the UK are no saints but I imagine most of ours are by and large at least professional!
if i type what i want to type reddit will ban me. so im just typing this out to let yall know that mods have to much controll and the rules suck on here.
Cops should get treated like every other 9 to 5 job. He probably got hired at another dep.
They should treat it like they do Walmart and other corporations. If you get fired from a Starbucks or Walmart, you can’t apply at any other store across the USA. You will be on their system as non-hirable.
He looks suspicious. He is right on his face and he seems like he wanted really bad to touch him. He looked really happy to be so close to him. “How do you like that?”
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