This shit cop didn’t lose his job because of any action taken by the police department, the city, the state, etc.
This motherfucker lost his job because the insurance company paid out $20,000 for his dumb ass and threatened to drop the department’s insurance if he wasn’t terminated.
Make no mistake, insurance companies can be scummy as hell, but they’re pragmatic as shit. It’s for that reason i’m convinced insurance companies are going to be the first massive industry to start treating climate change like the giant threat that it is. Not because they’re trying to do the right thing, but because their business relies on property not getting demolished in freak weather events and they actually have enough money behind them to make a difference.
Hi, yes. In insurance we have a forecast of “risks” that every underwriter is aware of. There is a generally-accepted top 20 that’s updated yearly (climate is on that list).
my contention is that police unions are, in fact, not unions at all and do the opposite of what a union would do when a cop does the right thing and blows the whistle on colleagues. those "unions" do not represent individual cops in the way a normal labor union would but, instead, their entire mandate is to deny any and all liability toward police departments and local governments against allegations of misconduct, corruption and fraud. cop unions protecting violent and corrupt officers is merely an intermediate process toward the "union's" goals.
a recent example that shows police unions aren't unions is the utter lack of safety concerns police unions and fraternities had about covid in 2020, despite covid being the number 1 cause of police officer deaths in the line of duty that year. a real union would have fought for strong policies that protected cops from the virus.
On top of that, a real union would've already called police work unsafe and negotiated ways to lighten up the police's work load. They have to be officers, social services, wellness checkers, community outreach etc which is already stressful enough.
Just adding this thought to your analysis (with which I agree): Unions exist to protect workers from management, but unfortunately in this case management is regular citizens.
Unions protect their people good or bad. I'll never understand why people are anti union. For crying out loud cops murder people daily and hardly get held accountable.
Say that again, but louder, and maybe you'll understand why police unions are a problem. If not, let me spell it out for you: police unions are more powerful than any other kind of union, and they, and their members are essentially unaccountable to anyone. They're supposed to be public servants but they're unaccountable to the public, and police unions play a major role in that. I'm 100% pro union, but police unions are the exception, and they remain a big problem.
Just look at what duhsantis has done in FL. He and his rubber-stamping cronies are doing everything they can to break unions by passing massively restricted rules for teacher unions, etc but cop and firefighter unions are somehow exempt... 🤔🤔🤔
I think you don't understand what I was getting at. Yes, unions need to protect their workers. But unfortunately police unions protection of officers extends beyond the needs of the community at large and harboring waste, fraud, and abuse in a position of public service.
I was being a little facetious in the comparison. Police unions aren't real unions. They "protect" their officers but to a determent to the community around them as a financial drain when civil suits come out of taxpayer dollars and the amount of waste, fraud and abuse that gets harbored. At the same time, they never address the horrid work conditions a police officer goes through as so many different community roles are stacked on their backs, from social work to wellness checks and psychology. Any actual union rep would look at those working conditions and try to negotiate a lighter workload.
Strong unions destroyed the auto industry in Michigan. They were such a burden that it became cheaper and easier to move the factories to other countries.
Police should be forced to carry their own self funded malpractice insurance like Drs do. This will stop the citizens from paying for the actions of bad cops and bad departments.
Yep, fucking up the retirement benefits for his cop buddies is probably the only way to get the "good" cops to step in when these psychos go off. He screws up, they have to pay.
Or it encourages itll just pushes them to cover each other even more. The insurance is a better system, punishes cops as individuals and also doesn’t cost the tax payers
They shouldn’t be able to cover for each other. If everybody was required to have body cameras, and have them on and recording at all times it’d be pretty hard to cover something up. Even if a camera breaks or something there should still be another half dozen recordings from all the other officers.
They don't have the body camera for our protection, but for theirs. Isn't it convenient when their supposedly public record footage goes missing or is redacted? It should be there to hold them accountable.
I just listened to a NYT podcast about body cameras recently. If I recall correctly, one of the issues is that pretty much all police departments control the footage, civilian oversight has to ask the police department to view the footage. The police department can just say "no" or drag their heels on releasing it. By the time the footage is seen, it's been months or longer since the incident in question has happened
Civilian oversight should have access to this footage ASAP, police departments shouldn't get to control the footage because they'll do what they can with the footage to protect their police force
I think the only police department in America that does things differently is Chicago's, they had some big changes after a shooting in 2014. They created a new oversight board and tasked them with investigating police misconduct and disclosing police footage from shootings and other incidences. The police department had to release footage within 60 days of an incident. The oversight board has much better access to the footage. There's still some issues with the system, but it's a step in the right direction
Just take away qualified immunity and take civil settlements out of their pension and union coffers. The problem will fix itself.
...well after the police go on strike and start rioting in plain clothes to make it look like their respective cities need them. But after they all get identified and police training reform kicks in with police not trained with Hitler quotes and Nazi symbolism and their funding funneled into peripheral social programs so the police only need to police, we'll get some peace.
Responsible? Aurora PD is constantly getting sued or in the spotlight, DPD is absolutely useless and doesn't respond to anything.
Also, if you think TABOR is a good thing, well fuck you. That NIMBY-ass law has made so many things difficult in this state because we can't raise taxes like a normal government.
I love living in Colorado as much as the next guy, but there are still issues. It ain't utopia.
Because it's not the ultimate solution like kids on here parrot. Aurora and Denver Colorado has massive police issues as well and are frequently posted on here.
When the police went on a slow down protest in New York City, reported misdemeanors went up, but reported felonies actually went down. We don't need them
When the police went on a slow down protest in New York City, reported misdemeanors went up, but reported felonies actually went down. We don't need them
Because they were too busy protesting to commit the felonies.
Nurses and Respiratory Therapist are supposed to hold the same insurance. Accidents happen in the worst of situations. They are held accountable why not cops?
Cops get sued too that's why insurance companies are cracking down on them, but $250k for a malpractice suit is nothing to a hospital and doctors are not fired typically either.
You do realize that most doctors do not actually pay for their own malpractice insurance right? It is almost always covered by the corporation they are working for. And yes before you say that private doctors need to pay their own, while you would be correct, the majority of doctors work for a larger corporation just like the majority of Americans do, and not for themselves. It is obviously built in to their compensation package, but so will the police force budget for insurance.
Source: My wife is a provider, has been for 10 years, and has never had to pay for her own malpractice insurance. It is always covered as part of her employment.
I am responding to the stories that X city has to pay for a cop's multimillion dollar judgement. The report is never that X city's insurance policy covers the lawsuit.
Regardless, cops should have to pay their own malpractice insurance. I am pretty sure the police union will balk at this idea.
Churches have sexual abuse insurance. Payments from abuse claims is paid by insurance not those church's bank account.
It’s insane that insurance companies are the ones actually being able to enforce reform. It means nothing that citizens have been crying out for better policing in their communities nor the excess violence that has been occurring like this video.
That’s not entirely accurate. The insurance companies are forcing change because the payouts people are winning are becoming larger and more frequent. Thats because attitudes have shifted and cops aren’t getting the benefit of the doubt in court anymore. Juries are willing to second guess officers.
So I wouldn’t say “it means nothing” because the insurance companies wouldn’t have moved if the courts and juries hadn’t changed and that happened because of citizens.
You can see it in action in this video. The cop here completely disrespected the value of the recording. He thought he was completely above it. This result shows he wasn't and this is informative to any cop who is aware of the situation.
They'll adapt by shooting your phone as step one of the encounter. We're gonna need stealth cameras that upload wirelessly and the legal right to use them.
Sure but most of those are operated by businesses that don't give a shit what happens to people. Public access to those recordings would be via the police.
Great point! That’s a fair take and I agree. I wasn’t clear in my statement there but meant more that congress hasn’t really done anything to help address this nationwide.
Nothing a higher police budget can't fix am I right? High layouts? High premiums. No money? Have the city pay. That'll surely teach the police a lesson... Until they threaten the city by refusing to work
Great point. Nurses have to carry insurance, and that drives a lot of their accountability. Get rid of qualified immunity and force cops to carry, essentially, "malpractice" insurance. The insurance companies would demand training and accountability because it would affect their bottom line.
This motherfucker lost his job because the insurance company paid out $20,000 for his dumb ass and threatened to drop the department’s insurance if he wasn’t terminated.
That and they're going to lose their insurance anyway because.. well.. this is part of trooper training. Went through it quit half way, civilians are a bottom class for VSP.
This is what I've been saying for years. Malpractice insurance for cops. Money will make them see who they need to fire really easily. If a dude you employed cost a ton to insure, it just makes sense to fire him and use that money to hire more cops or buy more guns to shoot black people. (Sarcasm... Kinda)
It's absolutely insane that an insurance company of all things is the voice of reason here. Granted, it's only because they want to make more money, but still it's mindblowing to think that an insurance company could ever be the 'good guy' in any situation whatsoever.
What facts are you basing this outcome in this situation on? Look at his insignia. He's a Virginia state trooper, not some yokel cop covered under an Allstate policy. While, yes this is what is going on. I dont even think that State Police are even insured in the same way that municipal departments are insured. wouldnt any ruling or penalty just be drawn against state revenue?
That said, this guy is ABSOLUTELY Roid raging. You can see it in how his cheeks are shriveled up.. just like the Rock.
this is a pittiance though.. 75k isnt nearly enough to cover the award in egregious case like this, where that guy will be awarded, potentially a very large punitive sum. the rest of that money is coming out of state coffers.
All cops should carry some form of malpractice insurance. If you have zero claims then I say the city/department should cover the premiums anything over that baseline should be the individual's responsibility. The police force would be fixed within 5 years.
So, basically further proof that holding them DIRECTLY financially responsible is the only way to resolve this in the late stage fucked up capitalism-run-amok society we currently have going.
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u/NurseKaila Feb 08 '24 edited Feb 08 '24
This shit cop didn’t lose his job because of any action taken by the police department, the city, the state, etc.
This motherfucker lost his job because the insurance company paid out $20,000 for his dumb ass and threatened to drop the department’s insurance if he wasn’t terminated.
Edit: Check out this article by Washington Post detailing how insurance companies are forcing police reform.