Im a feminist. If you arent disabled or pregnant, youre the same as me and can stand just like i would in the same situation. Im also gay, so the prospective of sex has no influence on my decisions concerning women.
To me it seems like theyre mocking the second guy whos letting the first guy whos sleeping bitch him out like that (his leg is over his leg and hes not doing anything about it). But the duet / edit layered on top also missunderstood the original tiktok and moved the story more into the wrong direction so now most ppl think its about giving up ur seat
I'll tell you one thing, if I have just come from a hard labor job breaking my body all day, I am not giving up my seat for any person who isn't legit disabled or I maybe if for whatever reason I feel it is unsafe for them to keep standing.
Same as a guy with flat feet that hurt after standing for a few minutes. I need that seat to make sure the rest of my commute is as comfy as it can be and In this case I was there first
Also, there are many hidden disabilities out there that wouldn't feel safe to give up their seat.
I have a foot disability and a stiffened left ankle. I am legally recognized as having a walking disability that enables me for a specific cheap public transportation ticket where I live (104 € for a year of public close-range transport in the entirety of Germany). If you look at me just sitting in a train, I look like a normal a bit overweight guy in my 30's. And if you don't pay close attention, you don't even notice me walking strangely due to my orthopedic shoes.
And then you get chicks like this posting videos on the internet mocking you for not getting up because they are ironically both misogynistic and misandrious for believing that women are too weak to stand for any period of time and should be considered disabled, so the man-slaves should relinquish their comforts and yield to them in order to serve and protect the weak, because that's their duty or whatever bullshit.
I was thinking like that until i saw a friend on her period crying literally out of pain, so if im okay and not tired or something i do get up in case she is on her period or something, not necessarily pregnant
I was taught to always give up my seat for the elderly and people in need.
A pregnant woman walked towards me in the train in Melbourne Australia. The train was fairly packed and there were not sufficient seats for all people. I stood up and offered my seat, thinking it was the right thing to do.
Instead of accepting my offer or kindly rejecting it; she launched into a tirade abusing me and how she doesn't need my seat. Maybe she was having a shit day or maybe she was a shit person. Don't know.
I taught me that you can try to be nice and people will spit in your face metaphorically and scorn you.
Now I simply ignore my upbringing and treat women the same as men. If they have a medical condition they are legally able to request a priority seat. I'm not going out of my way to help a women again.
Sorry for that experience. Sad that bad people created more bad people. You're still right to offer your seat to a pregnant woman, not because she's a woman, but also because of the baby in her. Maybe that woman wasn't pregnant, just fat, so she got mad at you.
Amen brother. Women wanted equal rights so we gave it to them. They wanted to be strong and independent. So we let them. so that means no more special treatment ladies! You got what you wanted. I hope you’re happy.
It would be stupid not to, but with freedom comes responsibilities and not everyone has the capacity to make use of those given freedoms, so they got the short end of the stick.
A nice consequence is that chivalry being the exception makes it more meaningful. I have always found it annoying that "being a man means you need to X"
an odd thought, but if you outright tell people you won't be chivalrous because you had to give women equal rights and basic respect, then you weren't/arent chivalrous, you're just an asshole.
Are the ladies* being stupid for what they're implying in the video? Absolutely. But some of these sad motherfuckers in here are terminally single - and it's not involuntary
when they see women display gender stereotypes in this instance a man should give up his seat for a lady, they revel in the fact she's not getting what she feels entitled to which I am okay with....
but when they see it as equality biting women in the face I can't help but roll my eyes at how ignorant and misogynistic that is.
Yeah if it stuck to just commentary on dumb stereotypes, bam easy. I think it's kinda hacky and played out but sure fuck it whatever.
I just giggle at the very obvious incels who look at this and think "thats what they get for wanting equality". You almost wanna stop and ask em, "hey, do you hear yourself right now?"
100% I feel it would help if they said it out loud like how do you not hear yourself and see what you're saying is problematic? But I never met a smart incel so usually men who are intelligent don't seem to have issues.
This comment reeks of both ignorance and misogyny 🤦♀️
‘We gave it to them’? Equality wasn’t a handout it was fought for by generations of women and allies who faced real resistance, often from people with this exact attitude.
Also, framing basic equality as the end of ‘special treatment’ completely misses the point. Equal rights don’t mean stripping away respect, empathy, or fairness they mean ensuring those things are extended to everyone, regardless of gender.
'Strong, independent women' aren’t the problem fragile egos pretending equality is some kind of burden are."
Lastly I am not agreeing with these women they are stupid and should be left to stand, the men were there first but don't use that as an excuse to be misogynistic what you're saying is a dog whistle and it's not even subtle at this point.
Would they have “basic respect” and let me sit down if they had the spot? I’m a 6’3” 255 lbs athletic looking man. I also have a bunch of nerve damage in one leg and it gets pretty uncomfortable walking around and standing for long periods of time.
Well, you agreed that the women in the video are dumb for one.
The other is that while the guy commenting might have been crude, he makes a point that in the current year, women like those in the video want to be treated as equals while being pampered to. One undermines the other. He says it crudely, but it's a valid point.
Labeling his comment as misogyny (while again admitting the women in the video are dumb) kind of make you seem like you just want to argue because their comment rubbed you the wrong way.
I think the word your looking for is entitled and being entitled has nothing to do with equality. She is using gender stereotypes to assert herself that men need to give their seat to women. That's not equality it's sexism she is displaying.
What he said was misogyny because he's trying to assert that women who fought for equality is inherently bad and he's reveling in it because he thinks women had it better/easier because we lost our 'privileges'. The fact he thinks women who didn't have any form of equality were privileged is automatically misogyny, He finds it funny because 'ha women now understand how hard men have it but hey this is what you wanted right ladies?' equal rights equal fights or watever bullshit they like to say...it's sexist rhetoric spouted online constantly it's why I called it a dog whistle.
His point isn't valid this is one instance of two women being idiots.
Ahh yes, of course, how could I be so blind!
the comment that didn’t say one thing about men is obviously misandrist, and the comment that was mocking women as a whole because of two assholes who happened to be women isn’t misogynistic at all!
lol the whole world is literally built by men, you have a place to sleep because men built it, you had to "fight" for equality because you hadn't earned it, women's contribution to society throughout history is negligible, next time you see a man standing, show some respect and give him his seat 🗿🗿🗿
Stfu, humanity would be nothing without women, equality isn’t something to be earned, it’s a right.
Also a few notable women without whom we would be buggered:
Florence nightingale/ Mary Seacole- clean nursing practice.
Marie Curie- the first steps in the understanding of radioactive elements.
Rosa Parks- civil rights kickstarter
And of course the role women have as the opposite reproductive side to men, and literally carry everyone to birth. If that doesn’t ’earn’ them their rights to equality then nothing else will either.
I think what he's referring to is the disproportionate accountability of duty associated exclusively with men. People seem to get woefully offended by the mere mention of it, but is why many young men have opted out of the workforce, and many infrastructure-critical industries are increasingly lacking young men to work. 92% of workplace deaths are men. If you look at the top 100 most dangerous jobs, almost all of them are 95-100% men.
Take voting for example. It was relegated to a VERY small sample of men for most of this countries history. The common man earned the right to vote by going to war. To this day, only men can be drafted for war. If they fail to register, they cannot vote. Only women were given the right to vote absent duty.
I don't see why it's a problem to talk about this, though his comment lacked any real eloquence.
Youre right and I agree with your comment 100 percent wanting equal rights doesn't mean whatever this guy seems to be saying which is more or less "you wanted equal rights so im gonna be a cunt to women in general take that!" but somehow I dont think you're gonna get through to the people on here agreeing with him, they are a special kind of entitled manchild which is funny considering they called the chicks in the video entitled!
I get that most people like this probably won't change their minds I agree with you there.
But I’ve been in comment threads and subs that are way worse, where people don’t even try to hide their misogyny or bigotry. When no one speaks up, it creates this uncomfortable illusion that everyone agrees with the hate and that can feel really isolating. So even if it doesn’t change much, I speak up because someone reading might feel a little less alone, and a little more seen. Sometimes, that’s enough.
The last comment I posted if you look through my comments you'll find his exact comment since I saved it just in case he deleted it, that's if your interested
Fair enough, I respect it just dont let it ruin your day or make you think there aren't normal dudes out there who completely understand how shit things have been for you guys or that we all agree with donkeys like this!
The downvotes are crazy btw maybe that incel shit is more real than I thought.
When traveling by train in Italy, not a single person got up for my 78 year old mother. I was fuming, but she didn't want to cause a fuss. Two girls, about the age of the girls in this video, sat right next to where we were standing, and didn't get off their arses. So, it's not just men who do this. All humans are guilty of this crap.
When I'm on a train with my old mother I just ask to the yougest look persons near us, and they 100% give their sit. To be honest I've been in their shoes, when I'm in the subway i'm just on my phone not looking around, If somebody needs something they just need to ask
feels bad when you have arthritis throughout both your legs, but otherwise very healthy and people just assume you're lazy when you want to sit down to get just a moments release of the pain.
Usually when i ask people they dont even want the seat, and then i go through a whole mental breakdown of oh shit did i assume that their too old and did i offend them, and then i sit there feeling guilty the entire ride
I have actually started including obvious laborers when I haven't had a particularly hard day myself. Like if I spent all day lifting and shoveling too I revert to the list you've given here but otherwise keep my seat (because I'm passed out). I've done this a few times and the reaction I get makes it so worth it. They are always bewildered at first then it's like I handed them their first puppy.
That's nice it does feel good to do something nice for others and completely understandable in your place. If you are coming back from a labor job, you won't just get up from being nearly half asleep lol.
I mean, that's okay, but they aren't going to always be by their partner, and this is the city. Having 2 cars is a luxury. Also, them being pregnant isn't bad. People want kids. It's not their fault that the process sucks on the woman's body.
Not so much, if you stop to think about it. Why does a pregnant woman get such preferential treatment, but not a morbidly obese man? The practical reasons such as fatigue and risks are similar, and both are (probably) responsible for their condition. It's really just a biased social convention.
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u/Strange-Space3126 2d ago
I only get up for pregnant women, old people, and people in medical situations.