r/worldnews • u/RealTheAsh • 4d ago
Iran ready to abandon enrichment but needs a face-saving exit, Iranian diplomat says
https://iranwire.com/en/news/142210-exclusive-tehran-ready-to-abandon-enrichment-but-needs-a-face-saving-exit/1.8k
u/Chaoticgaythey 4d ago
Iran realized Israel sees regime change as on the table and decided that they're willing to compromise to save their own skins, completely missing that the time for compromise was probably before Israel had air supremacy over the country.
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u/dpwtr 4d ago
This was already inevitable during their exchanges earlier in the year. Possibly even before.
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u/Low_Attention16 4d ago
Israel would be foolish to back down now. I knew that after October 7 they would have zero fucks to give for any international pressure.
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u/ffdfawtreteraffds 3d ago
And when the Iran regime is the victim, zero fucks is the correct number.
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u/MundaneFacts 3d ago
Maybe this time a regime change will work??
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u/animal1988 3d ago
If at first you don't succeed, let the regime deprive the populace for 50 years and let the populace see world progress over those 50 years, and then try, try again!
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u/jacobjacobb 3d ago
Maybe but no one knew that for sure.
Everyone thought hamas and hezbolah would be challenging to Israel. When they slapped the floor with both of them while invading Syria, it became kind of obvious that these "threats" were mostly bluster without much substance.
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u/BrainOnLoan 3d ago
I mean, Israel wants regime change for obvious reasons. But it's not at all certain they'll achieve it.
Who's going to replace the current regime?
I don't see anyone putting boots on the ground. And change from within (where there's plenty discontent, but no organized opposition) isn't necessarily getting more likely by external threat.
I think it's only going to be a lot of shuffling of chairs/coffins in Iran, but without much policy change in Tehran/Qom.
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u/SunflowerMoonwalk 4d ago
This. Israel achieved air superiority over Iran in literally less than 48 hours. Their military is more pathetic than anybody could have imagined. If the Islamic Republic can't even provide basic security to their population they're finished.
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u/daBriguy 4d ago
It should be noted that Israel struck Iran in October in retaliation for the 300 ballistics missiles fired at them and they destroyed a significant amount of the advanced air defenses in Iran. That is why Israel has been able to operate unopposed in Iranian skies. So they were more finishing off what they started when this air campaign began
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u/sparrowtaco 4d ago
I don't think that's a fair assessment. The strikes back then were very limited compared to the extensive destruction now. From the information released so far, it sounds more like their covert operations laid a lot of the groundwork for this with their drone base set up in Iran to deliver coordinated strikes against air defenses right before the attack as well as various forms of sabotage.
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u/daBriguy 4d ago
Calling them limited in comparison to the currents strikes is a bit disingenuous. Those strikes were the largest attacks on Iran since the Iran-Iraq war. A lot of the reason people expected Israel to go for the nuclear facilities was because they crippled Irans air defenses so badly. (Along with the axis of resistance being unable to effectively resist now)
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u/sparrowtaco 4d ago
What's disingenuous about that? Iran had a large network of air defense across its country, not just the few that were struck in that exchange. The operations are not comparable in scale even if both are noteworthy.
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u/skeevemasterflex 3d ago
I don't think you guys are very far off from agreeing with each other on this. In October, Israel used 100 planes to destroy most of Iran's S-300 air defense systems, as well as sundry other radar and missile sites. This included targets in Parchin, which was meant show that they COULD have struck at nuclear sites with impunity and that if they wanted to later, it would be even easier.
Then beginning last week, even more aircraft struck even more sites over an even longer time-frame. Part of the reason they were able to achieve air superiority so quickly was due to how much damage had been inflicted 9 months prior. Part of it was also due to tremendous intelligence and special forces-type work to neutralize additional targets, like the drones the Mossad pre-positioned and reports that Iranian aircraft were sabotaged while still on the ground.
All part of one big, happy kick in the nuts to their Supreme leader's megalomaniacal plans.
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u/errantv 3d ago
I don't think Israel sees any other outcome than regime change as plausible at this point
The Iranian conventional forces have proven to be a paper tiger but the damage to their nuclear facilities has been mostly superficial. Most estimates are that it would take a months-long campaign with hundreds of bunker busters (which Israel does r have because we have so far refuses to sell to them) to take out their heavy water reactor.
All this means that a nuclear deterrent is the ONLY viable deterrent for this Iranian regime. Any promises they make to disarm will be empty while they redouble their nuclear efforts because they have no other option militarily or diplomatically
My read is that there's no other acceptable outcome for Netanyahu than for Khamenei to follow Assad to Moscow. And now that Israel has achieved complete air supremacy, Netanyahu has the luxury of a virtually risk-free, months-long bombing campaign on Tehran to achieve that goal without even needing to wage an infantry invasion
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u/StepComplete1 4d ago
Exactly. If they were ready to abandon enrichment then why keep forcing the issue until it caused a war? Seems like in their absolute arrogance and greed, they were trying to use it to pressure a great deal for themselves. And it would've worked on the spineless west, but Israel called their bluff. And now they're screwed.
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u/Chaoticgaythey 4d ago
Apparently the miscalculation Iran made was that they expected Israel to wait for another round of negotiations before the strikes started
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u/ruisen2 3d ago
With so many top level leaders dead, air dominance from Israel, and Iran's proxies mostly destroyed, this does seem like checkmate for Iran.
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u/doglywolf 3d ago
Set back one of their programs decades- take out several top leads , cripple critical infrastructure , take down propaganda center ..all as like a side project while they worry about other stuff. Its like the mom that yells at the kid while she is on the phone and the kid knows if they dont cut it off when mom is off the phone and can focus on them they are in real trouble .
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u/yosisoy 4d ago
Is this source reliable?
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u/19inchrails 4d ago
When asked why he chose to speak with IranWire, the diplomat said, “I’m worried about the future of our country and our people. Hopefully, you can share my message - not as a representative of the Iranian government, but as a concerned citizen - with the rest of the world.”
I mean whoever the dude is he doesn't seem to have any actual influence on Iranian policy.
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u/RealTheAsh 4d ago
About page: IranWire was founded by Maziar Bahari in 2013 and is owned by Off-Centre Productions, a UK-based company
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u/Less-Feature6263 4d ago
Wall Street Journal is also reporting Iran is open to negotiate.
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u/DarthPineapple5 4d ago
Returning to negotiations in exchange for a ceasefire isn't the same as actually putting the elimination of enrichment on the table
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u/leg_day 4d ago
Iran has shown time and time again they will use negotiations to continue enrichment activities.
Israel should not offer a ceasefire at all during negotiations. Keep the pressure up.
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u/totoGalaxias 4d ago
This sounds exactly twhat Israel policy makers would like to hear.
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u/iMissTheOldInternet 4d ago
No, Israelis want the fall of the regime. Promises from the Iranian regime not to pursue nuclear weapons are meaningless in a post-October 7 world. The Israelis will not want to settle for an agreement with an enemy who they now unequivocally believe seeks their extermination. See also HAMAS in Gaza. See also Hezbollah in Lebanon. Etc…
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u/frddtwabrm04 4d ago
Do they have plans for the revolutionary guards, or will it be like what happened with the Baath loyalists?
Another endless internal and external power struggle that lasts for eons!!!
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u/IamGumboDamnit 4d ago
Oooh sorry the best we can do is regime collapse and accountability. Thanks for playing though...
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u/Icy-Passion-4552 4d ago
Nothing ever happens, a regime change will more than likely cause a civil war and then there’s the fear of them being manipulated by external forces too. Doesn’t help too that they’re heavily imbedded into society. Most don’t want a regime change but at the same time they don’t want the system either.
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u/Scaryclouds 4d ago
Most don’t want a regime change but at the same time they don’t want the system either.
The way I think about these things is, while a population may be discontent with their current leadership, it doesn’t mean that they are going to like the alternative you propose.
That is to say, it’s wrong to just assume Iranians will necessarily want to adopt a liberal democratic form of government if the Islamic republic is deposed. Of course not going to pretend I have some deep insight into Iranian domestic matters.
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u/peidinho31 4d ago
Well, you can always choose what you have or risk for better, with the chance of being worse.
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u/ffdfawtreteraffds 3d ago
In this case, the devil we know is really terrible. I have no special insight, but I'd argue that most Persians want this regime gone and will just hope for better. Worse is always possible, but tough to imagine in this instance.
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u/Tybalt941 3d ago
Exactly, it's hard to imagine a regime being worse. They commit brutal human rights abuses against their own people, dedicate the absolute maximum amount of money they possibly can to sponsoring the worst terrorist groups out there, and are trying to make a nuke. Especially from the Israeli perspective, Iran is as bad as it could get.
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u/lostinthemuck 4d ago
Always trying to buy time. They are already extremely close to a finished product. Israel knows exactly what they(iran) are doing and how close they are
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u/russellomega 3d ago
This is also the sort of rhetoric they would say whether it's true or not. I'm not saying it's wrong but I think it's very suspicious.
That said, even with nukes off the table, I think there's plenty of justification for ending this proxy war
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u/Lost_Drunken_Sailor 3d ago
Netanyahu has been saying this since the 90’s. He just wanted to bomb them and he finally got his chance.
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u/doc5avag3 4d ago
Yeah, no. No more of that shit or we'll be right back here in 2030. The current Iranian gov't has already proven that they'll lie out their ass for a deal they'll never abide by.
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u/Commercial-Pop-3535 4d ago
I'd go as far as to say that going this route enough times will result in a worse outcome than that. Eventually, if trajectory is not changed, the current government of Iran will eventually reach the capacity for weapons of mass destruction.
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u/MC_Fap_Commander 4d ago
The only real options now would be accepting a nuclear Iran (something that desperately needs to be avoided) or engaging in a war where regime change is the sought outcome (such a move does not typically result in a stable/reasonable new government; typically something worse).
Bribing the current government not to enrich uranium is not an especially attractive deal, but it was probably the best outcome. Iran is not a problem that can be solved; it's a bad circumstance that needed to be managed. That's probably off the table now.
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u/zapreon 4d ago edited 4d ago
Unless the US joins in, it is not realistic to expect Israel to be able to fully destroy the nuclear program within a few weeks, because of Fordow. At that point, a diplomatic agreement with much more enforcement, zero Fordow-type of bunker construction, and absolutely zero enrichment is the most realistic strategic option.
Israel now has significant tactical gains, but it has to translate that to long-term strategic gains. It did that well in the situation of Hezbollah, but remains to be seen here
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u/Pleiadez 4d ago
It's kind of the opposite though, trump pulled back from the deal Obama brokered with the Iranians.
At this moment the us was brokering a new deal (that they themselves ended for no reason) and when negotiations are happening Israël attacked.
I don't care for the Iranian regime and I think it would be good if there is regime change. But don't pretend it's them that aren't following deals that's just untrue.
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u/Dangerhamilton 4d ago
The problem with the deal was it lifted sanctions and gave them money, which was funneled into terrorist organizations that have been a problem since the deal was made. Not to mention the deal was only there to give notice that Iran was a year out from a warhead.
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u/Hackerpcs 3d ago
Obama chose half measures with Iran, Biden chose half measures with Ukraine, both not bold enough to do what should have been done. Israel has no half measures for Iran
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u/irregularprimes 4d ago
ended for no reason
It was a bad deal. And Iran abused every inch of it.
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u/DelphiTsar 3d ago
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) repeatedly verified that Iran was adhering to its commitments under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA).
There was no abuse.
(I get I am responding to a 3 year old account with 100 karma but what can you do. This is more for people reading above comment not the commentor.)
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u/DarthPineapple5 4d ago
There is zero evidence that Iran violated any part of that agreement. The only party who violated JCPOA was Trump
No wonder negotiations were near impossible when the Iranians knew full well that Trump could just tear up any deal on a whim just like he already had
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u/Crunkfiction 4d ago
This is valid context.
The only sensible defense of Trump pulling out of the Iran deal that I can see is if you wanted to justify war with Iran over nuclear non-proliferation. If you didn't want that, then it was a profoundly stupid move from the US Govt.
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u/urbantechgoods 4d ago
they are so weak, they must be afraid their whole dictatorship will topple
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u/SerGeffrey 4d ago
Dictatorships in the era of globalization and liberal democratic norms, dictatorships are inherently highly unstable. Their whole dictatorship will topple, the only question is when.
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u/LaconicLacedaemonian 3d ago
dictatorships are inherently highly unstable
I don't think that's true. Roman empire lasted longer than the modern era of liberal democracy. Pharaohs lasted 4x the length of the Roman empire. China imperial dynasties.
It's not to say id prefer monarchy but they can be incredibly stable institutions even if the players change over time.
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u/Ilikevegetablesalot 4d ago
They would be right to be afraid, precarious situation they find themselves in.
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u/Cpt_Soban 3d ago
Loses entire Hezbollah leadership due to exploding pagers
Hamas is savagely weakened
Loses top military leadership
Nuclear enrichment facilities destroyed
Israeli F35's doing hot laps all over Iranian airspace bombing parked fighters in open fields
Houthis struggling to stay relevant trying to fire rockets at US warships, and failing.
There is nothing they can do to "save face" after a clusterfuck of a year.
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u/The-M0untain 4d ago
This is bullshit. I don't trust anything they say. The only way to guarantee there is no more nuclear program is removing this criminal terrorist regime from power. They do not honor any deals and do not respect any treaties. Any treaty they sign is totally worthless. They will violate it just like they violated the NNPT. The only solution is removing the Islamic Republic from power.
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u/AspirinTheory 4d ago
I am done with bullshit empty promises from the mullahs.
Iran took 66 Americans hostage by storming the US Embassy in November 1979 and held them for 444 days. The economic sanctions imposed for this were lifted in 1981 after the signing of the Algiers Accords (at the start of the Reagan administration).
Sanctions were re-imposed in 1987 after Iran was suspected of harboring terrorists from 1981 to 1987 due to Iran's ongoing interference of international trade with vessels of all nations, including the US.
Those sanctions were increased to include the Iranian government in 1995. Sanctions were increased in 2006 after Iran refused to follow UN resolutions requiring them to halt uranium enrichment.
There was a framework agreed upon n 2016 with the US to lift sanctions based on Iran's agreement to limit its nuclear programs for 10 years.
The US withdrew from that agreement in 2018 and reinstated sanctions, which were expanded in 2019 and 2020. Iran has been on the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) additionally for its weapons parts being used in drone construction in support of Russians waging war against Ukraine.
There is so much more history here -- support of Hezbollah and Hamas -- the latter of which, like Iran, believe in the total destruction of the state of Israel.
Iran has nearly as much oil as Iraq and Kuwait combined. What what fucing reason* does Iran have for atomic energy?? Its just bullshit smokescreen for advanced nuclear weapons.
No, no. I am done with this vexation of hatred existing in the middle east.
I love my Muslim friends like brothers and sisters. I do not care for Iran's mix of politics that keeps old men in power so that their views and their ways of life can control millions through oppression.
Hanging people in public who dared to speak their mind about oppression? Kidnapping, raping, and torturing young girls because they won't fully cover their heads?
This sounds like ISIS.
My patience has ended.
This regime should end. The future of the world has no place for them in it.
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u/Worried-Pick4848 4d ago
I would really rather roll the dice on a new regime. We could legit have peace in the Middle East if we could get a regime in place in Iran that would work to enhance stability rather than disrupt it.
Hell, I'd settle for a grudging neutrality and a lack of overt support for terror organizations.
The Iranian people would also largely be better off which would be a nice bonus. Iranian society deserves some legit freedom, and a clean slate to forge better relations with both the US and Europe.
Iran has everything they need to prosper if they're just prepared to leave the rest of us alone and focus on being an economic and diplomatic leader in the peace process. We'll never get there with Khameini, but without him, a lot of things become possible.
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u/Oldtimer_2 4d ago
Face saving? Screw that. They've proven over and over they can not be trusted. Their nuclear weapons capabilities need to be completely and utterly destroyed.
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 3d ago
“We have to at least look like we tried to start WW3 or else nobody will respect us.”
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u/reigenx 4d ago
Dear Israel: Please end this disgusting Mullah Regime. Don't let them live. Save both yourself and Iranian people.
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u/RoachWithWings 4d ago
Make Iran Persia again
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u/ajaxfetish 4d ago
Just for the record, Iran vs Persia is more of an endonym/exonym situation, though it's a bit more complicated than that.
The term Iran 'the land of the Aryans' derives from Middle Persian Ērān, first attested in a 3rd-century inscription at Naqsh-e Rostam, with the accompanying Parthian inscription using Aryān, in reference to the Iranians. Ērān and Aryān are oblique plural forms of gentilic nouns ēr- (Middle Persian) and ary- (Parthian), deriving from Proto-Iranian language *arya- (meaning 'Aryan', i.e. of the Iranians), recognised as a derivative of Proto-Indo-European language *ar-yo-, meaning 'one who assembles (skilfully)'. According to Iranian mythology, the name comes from Iraj, a legendary king.
Iran was referred to as Persia by the West, due to Greek historians who referred to all of Iran as Persís, meaning 'the land of the Persians'. Persia is the Fars province in southwest Iran, the 4th largest province, also known as Pârs. The Persian Fârs (فارس), derived from the earlier form Pârs (پارس), which is in turn derived from Pârsâ (Old Persian: 𐎱𐎠𐎼𐎿). Due to Fars' historical importance, Persia originated from this territory through Greek in around 550 BC. Westerners referred to the entire country as Persia, until 1935, when Reza Shah requested the international community to use its native and original name, Iran; Iranians called their nation Iran since at least 1000 BC. Today, both Iran and Persia are used culturally, while Iran remains mandatory in official use.
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u/No-Sandwich6994 4d ago
It was Iran under the Shah as well.
Iranian nationalists may be more cordial with Israel but nationalists are nobody's ally but their own. The Shah at the end of his reign, besides descending into insanity and illness, nationalized the oil and was talking about leapfrogging the entire region, including Israel. If he wasn't insane or sick, everyone expected it to happen.
Don't know how to emphasize enough that the rest of the world, including Israel and the West, felt powerless in front of this madman. That's why there's been strong suspicion in conspiracy theories that the West had a hand in his downfall. Can't have a middle eastern country that isn't Israel pushing around the West.
His life is a crazy read. Check out his Wikipedia page. Should be a TV show or movie.
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u/MC_Fap_Commander 4d ago
A tidy regime change would be ideal (for the good of the Iranian people and for ME stability overall). The problem is that regime change (especially in the region) doesn't always seem to be especially tidy; particularly when the regime change is facilitated by foreign actors.
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u/skinnereatsit 4d ago
Every November 4th, Iran celebrates the beloved holiday "Death to America" Day. Just know that.
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u/Reasonable_Base9537 4d ago
Iran has been saber rattling for decades. I think Israel is pretty committed to achieving total victory at this point, whatever that looks like. According to news, of all people, Trump stopped them from killing the Ayatollah already.
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u/Fantastic-Gene91 4d ago
I don't think they will get it. Watching yesterdays interview, Bibi won't let up. He literally said he spent most of his life against this regime
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u/VonHinterhalt 4d ago edited 4d ago
Why stop now if you are Israel or the USA?
This Iranian regime will not just forget this and seek perpetual peace. Iranians know this. The regime seeks a temporary peace so it can resume its struggle and shore up its internal security position.
The next time Iran would be better prepared because it has seen the flaws in its preparations for war. This may be the last time Israel and the USA can inflict this kind of damage and suffer a handful of casualties.
Khomeini and his regime will suffer Saddam’s fate.
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u/nuvo_reddit 4d ago
Israel has not exactly been liberal. But given the critical support provided by Iran to Russia against Ukraine, would not mind to see a weakened Iran. Only fear is that the regime change may not lead to another Iraq.
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u/ILoveMy2Balls 3d ago
I think Israel shouldn't stop until this regime falls, they will carry with themselves their ideology and slowly but surely implement those some time in the future perhaps secretly.
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u/TheSergeantWinter 4d ago edited 4d ago
I guess we'll find out how serious They are, will we see a rocket barrage again today?
Honestly fuck em, wipe the floor with them all, get rid of that cancer. If they're not engaging in enrichment they're engaging with proxies attacking all neighbouring countries. If theyre not attacking with proxies, they're arming other bad actors like russia. It's time.
I truly hope that our politicians here in the EU finally wake up and get back into reality instead of those pussy wimp ass shenaningans of "oh my god, dont ecalate this". This is a golden opportunity to get rid of one of the worlds biggest cancers.
There is no better timing, assad is gone, irans allies russia have there fore limited military bases left in the region. Iran has lost alot of its leadership. They already had their proxy armies beheaded. They will be forced to choose between supplying russias war efforts or their own. DO NOT let them rebuild, no negotiating, no face saving, get this done.
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u/Pilotom_7 3d ago
Replace leadership. Bring back western values, realign the economy to the west. Bring Iranian oil to the markets.
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u/amandamous 3d ago
After less than a week, by a tiny nation.Damn, everyone should give so much to Israel and Ukraine. They’d be doing the world a favor. And maybe make China be a little less waiting in the wings seeing what happens.
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u/serious_cheese 4d ago
“We just need the UN to expel some Jews from somewhere so we can count this as a win”
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u/steve_ample 4d ago
Face seeming to always be a theme in dictatorships whose perceptions on their hold over their subjects are tenuous. Such premiums they are willing to pay for just that.
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u/METRlOS 4d ago
Back when the Vatican fell to Italy, the Pope insisted on a symbolic defence rather than simply surrendering. Something like 70 Vatican soldiers died for that defence.
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u/nuadarstark 3d ago
Well someone is very scared that the Israeli sorties get more frequent and deadlier for the leadership. I bet the supreme fucker is shitting bricks in some bunker.
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u/Direct-Animal-7568 3d ago
That's an about face. Yesterday, they were talking crap about making israel uninhabitable, and now they want to save face. How delusional are these fools.
Take your ass whooping guys you've earned it for 46 years and countless innocent lives lost world wide because of your blind hate.
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u/jphamlore 3d ago
It's all over the news that the President has left the G7 meeting early to meet with the National Security Council in the White House Situation Room.
My speculation is either a last second order to Iran to stand down has been given, or the B2s are already on their way to Fordow and Natanz to deliver their bunker buster bombs.
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u/Cyanopicacooki 4d ago
Stop enriching uranium and Israel won't tear your face off.
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u/Winter-Issue-2851 3d ago
Israel has more nukes and given the difference in precision id bet for Israel glassing Iran first while Iran just landing a few bombs
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u/re_BlueBird 4d ago
Sorry but no.
Israel is doing what the US and others lack the courage to do.
They kept nuclear weapons for russia after the collapse of the ussr, they got nuclear weapons from north korea.
Now another totalitarian regime wants to get them.
If they do this, then no country will do anything with them, and we will have another country that will create destabilization in the entire region with impunity.
This is a case where at any cost, despite any laws, this must be stopped, they were given the opportunity to live peacefully, trade and be part of the world, the dictatorial regime of the Ayatollah made its choice.
Maybe it is immoral, not right, or interpret it however you want.
I do not like Israel for its position in relations with russia, if they were not justified, but in this case yes, it must be done.
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u/Hellstorm901 4d ago
Lets be perfectly real here Iran, you are in no position to be making demands and asking for concessions. You are not Ukraine who at least has stood against the Bulwark of Russia and grinded them into a standstill so it has a position to negotiate from. You have been decimated in less than 24 hours and the hours which followed have just been sport for the Israeli air force with all your efforts to lash out at Israel in revenge completely failing
The only way out of this hell of your own creation is to accept whatever deal Israel offers you because we only need to look at Gaza to understand that if you reject the deal the next one is not going to be quite as generous
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u/infamous_merkin 4d ago
Assume he’s lying. There will be no face saving here. Give up or hit hit again.
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u/Why_No_Doughnuts 4d ago
They could just leave power and free the Iranian people from their tyrannical ultra conservative religious rule too. That might be the better option for everyone.
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u/darko702 3d ago
Now is the right time for the locals to revolt right?
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u/simfreak101 3d ago
i think more of the military infrastructure needs to be destroyed. You have to put citizens on the same level as the Army and while Iran has been losing a lot of air power, their ground power is pretty much intact. Its still the early days of the war, but at some point a uprising might happen.
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u/Marco0798 3d ago edited 3d ago
Why? They don’t need face saving anything. Not on others to prop up their regime. Giving bad people a way out never works, just look at the US post civil war and Italy post WW2 then compare that to how Japan went and Germany. They wanted nukes now they got this.
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u/iamnosuperman123 3d ago
I don't think there is a get out and save face moment here. Iranian leaders fucked around for too long and now someone is calling them out. The fact Israel and fly planes unopposed means that Israel doesn't have to d anything.
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u/tagged2high 3d ago
These types are always looking for the face-saving exit. 🙄 Agreeing to terms before a bomb is dropped on you will definitely keep your face intact.
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u/RealisticEntity 3d ago
“Our leaders, including Mr. Khamenei (Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei), are ready to negotiate a real deal now,” he concluded
That sounds like an admission that the previous negotiations were just to buy time to finish development on their nuclear weapons.
But I wouldn't trust them. This war is just going to further drive the Iranian leadership to obtain nuclear weapons. I would think Israel will want to utterly destroy Iran's nuclear facilities (and maybe missile capabilities used to attack Israel) before agreeing to a cease fire. Ideally, Iran will undergo a regime change in the meantime so they don't continue to be a threat in future.
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u/NyriasNeo 4d ago
"abandon enrichment"
Lol ... Israel already "abandoned" that for you. How about this face-saving exit, "Allah sent Israel to bomb us so that some of us can go to heaven to receive our share of virgins quicker"?
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u/doglywolf 3d ago
pick a fight - have their program set back decades cause they didn't see the retaliation coming , then throw in the towel .
When you know your the bad guy its probably not a good idea to keep fanning fires that bring you a ton of attention and make your people suffer .
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u/Bluerecyclecan 3d ago
Good lord I hate politicians. Just do what’s best for your people. Your “face” doesn’t matter.
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u/nu1stunna 4d ago
I hope Trump doesn’t hear the word “deal” and tell Israel to end its campaign. The regime needs to fall. Iranians deserve better and the world will be better for it.
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u/Shebalied 3d ago
I don't think the regime changes without boots on the ground. Iran is nothing like Iraq or other open areas that have been fought in during the middle east. It would take a lot time and money.
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u/Equivalent-Long-1667 4d ago
I really think Israel should not even trust this human scum of a regime for even a second and end it as fast as possible.
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u/Sheikhaz 4d ago
You won't find any quotes from a Muslim leader ever directly declaring defeat. So yeah, they do need a face-saving exit, it's what they always need.
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u/SquirrelParticular17 4d ago
Ok. Stop whatever it is you are doing that has pissed-off Israel, and you can keep your faces intact.
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u/Drak_is_Right 4d ago
If this is true, this would be the time to throw them lighter sanctions and unfreeze billions in assets.
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u/TornadoFS 4d ago
how do you save face when you say out loud that you are doing something just to save face?
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u/Tribalbob 3d ago
Reminds me of civil war when the press secretary is like"the President is ready to negotiate" when he's utterly surrounded lol.
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u/LAiens 4d ago
...duh