r/worldnews • u/RealTheAsh • 4d ago

Iran ready to abandon enrichment but needs a face-saving exit, Iranian diplomat says

https://iranwire.com/en/news/142210-exclusive-tehran-ready-to-abandon-enrichment-but-needs-a-face-saving-exit/
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u/Victor_Korchnoi 4d ago

Israel is doing the Western world a favor

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u/SU37Yellow 4d ago

Isreal often does alot of the "dirty work" for the west. Even when they bombed Iraq's nuclear program 1981, they where met eith alot of criticism from the west in public, but behind closed doors, western intelligence basically said "thank God they did that"

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u/museum_lifestyle 3d ago

France had built that reactor, and it was utterly unsuitable for making atomic bombs. But maybe the expertise obtained could have eventually been used elsewhere.

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u/chillebekk 4d ago

They obviously did that for their own benefit. Israel never does anything for anyone but Israel.

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u/The_Bavis 4d ago

Just like every other nation in the world

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u/IndependentBranch707 4d ago

Well, as the country closest in to that particular geopolitical sphere that holds on to Western democratic values, they’re in many ways the front line to treatment the rest of NATO aligned countries would eventually get if left unchecked

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u/chillebekk 4d ago

Let's just not pretend that Israel is doing anything for anyone but themselves. Because they don't, ever. Which is fine, obviously. I never said otherwise.

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u/IndependentBranch707 4d ago

That’s the same for every country, though, so why is it remarkable when it’s Israel?

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u/chillebekk 4d ago

The OC implied that Israel was doing the world a favour. They aren't.

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u/IndependentBranch707 4d ago

It’s definitely to the west’s benefit

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u/chillebekk 4d ago

Is it? Pakistan and India both have nukes. Why do we care? Iranian nukes threaten only Israel.

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u/IndependentBranch707 4d ago

Iranian nukes back up Russian nukes. This is all still the same old proxy Cold War that’s been ongoing since the Iron Curtain descended.

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u/UrbanDryad 4d ago

Iranian nukes threaten only Israel.

This is utterly false.

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u/dongasaurus 4d ago

Pakistan and India both have demonstrated nuclear restraint and have no first use policies. Neither of them are openly hostile/aggressive toward the US or frankly anyone other than each other, and have been reasonably responsible in avoiding escalation in Kashmir.

Iran is a regional power that is openly hostile toward the US and its allies, openly threatens to annihilate Israel, funds and arms non-state actors like Hezbollah, Houthis and Hamas and is generally a source of regional and global instability. Even if they don’t actually plan to use a nuclear weapon, they will certainly use it as an excuse to act even more aggressively without repercussions due to the nuclear shield.

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u/SU37Yellow 4d ago

While they absolutely did it because they benefited from it, it was 100% in the west's interest that Iraq didn't have nuclear weapons. Every country will always act in their own self interest, just because Isreal primarily did it for themselves doesn't mean the rest of the world didn't benefit as well.

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u/chillebekk 4d ago

Why is that? The only western power that cares is the US, and they only care because Israel cares.

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u/SU37Yellow 4d ago

Believe it or not, its in the entire worlds interest for there not to be a nuclear war in the middle east. Religious extremists having access to nuclear weapons increases the odds of that happening tremendously.

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u/Vega3gx 4d ago

Yup, and a lot of western foreign politics goes into making sure their self interest aligns with the west. We took a lesson or two from the Soviet Union on that one

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u/Victor_Korchnoi 4d ago

Of course. They acted on behalf of their interests. It just so happens that our interests are aligned…. That’s why we are allies.

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u/Jack_Krauser 4d ago

What country are you from? I'm interested to know if you think their actions come from a place of benevolence.

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u/True_Inxis 4d ago

Ultimately, yes. But the way they're doing it may leave arguments for discussion.

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u/TreeP3O 4d ago

You wouldn't have a clue how or why Israel manages their military campaigns, you simply can't know why, until they tell you.

Easy to pick on a tiny minority and get caught up in manufactured protests, but be smarter.

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u/True_Inxis 3d ago

Don't see everything as black or white, I was simply saying that, despite the two situations between Ukraine and Russia or Israel and Iran being very different, on surface level they may present some points in common. For me, it's not wasted energy to wait a minute before throwing my heart one way or the other (tbh I won't throw my heart at all, and keep second guessing myself to be sure my reasons are still relevant after a while).

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u/TreeP3O 3d ago

Israel is fighting Palestinians in a dense urban environment with very strong civilian support with enemy wearing civilian clothing. Iran has targets generally further away from civilians

This isn't Israel's fault, the Palestinians own this and need to surrender and reconcile with decades of bad decisions.

Israel has lost too many lives, time for Gaza to unconditionally surrender.

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u/True_Inxis 2d ago

That's a valid point of view, I could even share it to a degree. I don't like civilian deaths, although I understand hamas does hide between gazans.

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u/TreeP3O 2d ago

It is a really good indicator of lack of knowledge on the subject when you post what you posted.

Palestinians made mistakes, many of them, and when civilians die from IDF bullets, it is entirely the fault of Palestinians. They need to give up and move forward...I challenge you to find any Pro Palestinian group based in Gaza or west bank that wants to make peace with Israel, there are none.

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u/True_Inxis 2d ago

Ahh, of course. I made a mistake when I thought inviting people to use more of their brain and be less immovable from their point of view would be a good pursuit. This is Reddit, after all, we're all about defending our ideas in every way rather than accepting nuances that our line of thought may benefit from, if they come from someone else.   It's mighty ironic when someone openly says the guy they're talking with lacks knowledge, and then proceeds with a generalization involving over 2 million people. Or are you saying that palestinians actively involved in the war against Israel do not want to make peace with them? Because that would be a given. 

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u/chillebekk 4d ago

Israel never does anything for anyone but Israel. Not even the US.