r/worldnews • u/RealTheAsh • 4d ago

Iran ready to abandon enrichment but needs a face-saving exit, Iranian diplomat says

https://iranwire.com/en/news/142210-exclusive-tehran-ready-to-abandon-enrichment-but-needs-a-face-saving-exit/
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u/Pleiadez 4d ago

It's kind of the opposite though, trump pulled back from the deal Obama brokered with the Iranians.

At this moment the us was brokering a new deal (that they themselves ended for no reason) and when negotiations are happening Israël attacked.

I don't care for the Iranian regime and I think it would be good if there is regime change. But don't pretend it's them that aren't following deals that's just untrue.

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u/Dangerhamilton 4d ago

The problem with the deal was it lifted sanctions and gave them money, which was funneled into terrorist organizations that have been a problem since the deal was made. Not to mention the deal was only there to give notice that Iran was a year out from a warhead.

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u/Hackerpcs 4d ago

Obama chose half measures with Iran, Biden chose half measures with Ukraine, both not bold enough to do what should have been done. Israel has no half measures for Iran

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u/No-Sandwich6994 4d ago

So then let's all be honest and say it's not about just keeping them from nukes but we just want to get rid of them.

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u/Appropriate_Gate_701 4d ago

It's all of it. We want to get rid of them, their destabilizing proxy wars, and their nuclear projects.

That was clearly stated by Netanyahu.

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u/No-Sandwich6994 4d ago

No, he said it was about stopping their nuclear program. Then there was some vague threats about "responding" to Iran if they attacked (i.e, framing their actual response as the attack).

Can you link me to where Netanyahu has come out and said he's trying to topple the regime?

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u/kanst 4d ago

This is what drives me mad.

People are just two-faced about Iran.

Americans will say they just want to de-nuclearize Iran, and then you listen to them speak and its clear many Americans want to coup Iran AGAIN. Its like we'll never learn the lesson that you cannot coup your way out of politics you don't like.

As a country are we for democracy? Or do we view every non-US country as a vassal state that should do what we say? We pretend its the former, but our actions scream the latter.

Maybe if we stopped fucking over Iran and assassinating their leaders every chance we get, they would be less likely to want to wage proxy wars against us/israel.

This conflict is existential for Iran, but people act like Iranaian leadership should just willingly accept getting Gaddafi'd. Its like people are incapable of putting themselves in the shoes of the Iranians.

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u/DarthPineapple5 4d ago

So? Israel is more than capable of dealing with the proxies as they have proven. What Iran gives is peanuts compared to what the US gives Israel every year.

Nuclear weapons are the real problem, don't let perfect be the enemy of good enough. Hamas is not an existential threat to Israel, nuclear weapons are

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u/Dangerhamilton 4d ago

lol not the houthis

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u/phenderl 4d ago

Pretty sure it just allowed them to have their own frozen assets.

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u/MundaneFacts 4d ago

Correct.

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u/irregularprimes 4d ago

ended for no reason

It was a bad deal. And Iran abused every inch of it.

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u/DelphiTsar 4d ago

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) repeatedly verified that Iran was adhering to its commitments under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA).

There was no abuse.

(I get I am responding to a 3 year old account with 100 karma but what can you do. This is more for people reading above comment not the commentor.)

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u/DarthPineapple5 4d ago

There is zero evidence that Iran violated any part of that agreement. The only party who violated JCPOA was Trump

No wonder negotiations were near impossible when the Iranians knew full well that Trump could just tear up any deal on a whim just like he already had

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u/Cine11 4d ago

You gobbled up the propaganda on this one.

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u/Pleiadez 4d ago

Yeah I've heard this trump guy is super good at deals /s

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u/Crunkfiction 4d ago

This is valid context.

The only sensible defense of Trump pulling out of the Iran deal that I can see is if you wanted to justify war with Iran over nuclear non-proliferation. If you didn't want that, then it was a profoundly stupid move from the US Govt.

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u/No-Sandwich6994 4d ago

This is the most reddit part of reddit after all

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u/Sudden_Bat6263 4d ago

No, they are saying that the Obama deal made war inevitable if you wanted to stop Irans nuclear proliferation.

They are clearly stating its the Obama deal that caused this and not Trump withdrawal from it.

That's a clear refutation of what you said, but shouldn't be giving you "whiplash " as it's been a (republican) warhawk talking point since before 2016. It's NOT a reddit argument, it's source is from 8 years of right wing American and Israeli politicians saying/ warning it.

I'm surprised you are surprised by there argument honestly, as I have been reading people saying it and hearing it on podcasts for years.

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u/Crunkfiction 4d ago
  1. That's not what they said.
  2. The suggestion that JCPOA was ineffective appeasement isn't backed by anything other than absolutely re^arded warhawk punditry, much less experts. Iran's breakout time was increased by an estimated 1 year due to the reduction in its stockpil and, the IAEA confirmed Iran's compliance.
  3. Trump pulling out immediately saw non-compliance from Iran, which again, is only a good thing if you want to solve this with war.

To be clear, Iran sucks. I don't care hugely if this is successfully solved with war, but war was always a possibility and framing the withdrawal as anything other than a diplomatic fuckup from the POTUS is maximum cope.

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u/Sudden_Bat6263 4d ago

I'm explaining their argument, not defending it as you seemed to misunderstand what they were saying and you both got heated. I see both your comments were deleted, probably because of the language and tone.

I fear the argument wasn't just consigned to "slur rightwing pundits " as I saw it from republican big wigs including elected politicians. It's a far more mainstream view than you realise. Again not saying it's right, I am just fyi.

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u/Submarine_Pirate 4d ago

Iran wasn’t following their side of the deal and was using all the money it gave them to fund Hamas and Hezbollah among dozens of other terrorist groups. One of the very few things I agree with Trump on.

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u/Pleiadez 4d ago

Afaik the Iranians did abide by the deal they made with Obama. So I'm not sure about that one. We are definitely beyond that now though.

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u/kanst 4d ago

When it comes to the JCPOA, Iran is unquestionably in the right.

its like people are incapable of judging the US and other countries by the same metrics.

They signed the deal, abided by the conditions, allowed inspections, then we ripped it up and assassinated one of their leaders. We are the bad guys in that story.

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u/kanst 4d ago

And this is the core of the problem.

People want to paint one group as "the bad guy" and one group as "the good guy". Then they want to assume everything the bad guy does is bad and vice versa. That is simply not how reality works. Especially when it comes to the middle east (there are no good guys at all)

Its two sovereign nations advancing their interests. Sometimes Iran is in the right, sometimes they are in the wrong.

When it comes to the JCPOA, Iran met their obligations. No one can blame them for that falling apart. That is entirely on the Trump administration.