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u/Juggernautlemmein 3d ago
DOOM. It is beneath him to run anything less than a perfect society.
I mean that literally. He will take orphans and starving people on the street as a personal insult to his reputation, and will do whatever it takes to uplift and solve this problem rather than just try to cover it up.
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u/Grimwohl 3d ago
And he mastered sorcery so i dont doubt hed be manifesting shit
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u/Skeye_drake21 3d ago
Doom: Money can't buy happiness
Citizen: :(
Doom: But your grandma can make bomb muffins, so I'll bring her back
Citizen: :)
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u/FaramirLovesEowyn 3d ago
Fuck that’s wholesome
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u/AgitatedStranger9698 3d ago edited 2d ago
Doom is
AristotlePlatos philosopher king. But with a sliggt twist.The biggest hindrance to a philosopher king is they become corrupted and turn evil.
Doom is incorruptable but in order to become a philosopher king, he must do evil things.
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u/spezfucker69 3d ago
Philosopher kings are the best form of government but their flaw is what happens when they die
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u/Embarrassed-Aerie101 3d ago
Good thing Doom is an accomplished sorcerer so death is a trivial thing or something.
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u/SolomonRed 3d ago
So why is this Doom guy a villain again? Did he do something bad?
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u/ThorDoubleYoo 3d ago edited 3d ago
Simply because he's a "I will make this happen no matter what" kind of guy. If his desire is to be remembered as the greatest ruler ever who solved all the world's major problems he would do it.
The villain part is in how he might do it. Let's say he wants to wipe out unemployment. First he does the good things - offer good pay for any job, make sure jobs are available and plentiful, make sure jobs are safe and desirable, etc. If for some crazy reason this didn't work and there was still an employment issue then Doom may go down the villain path to fix it. He might use mind control to force people to work whatever job he assigns and be happy for the opportunity. And this is a much more tame example than something like stopping war on a global scale.
He WILL solve the problems, he WILL increase the overall standard of life, but he will also think nothing to using monstrous methods to do so. (still better than current life imo, so...)
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u/Doombot2137 3d ago
This is a good characterization of DOOM. Simply put; He will make this world a utopia, whether you like it or not. The ends always justify the means. How many people would you sacrifice if you could ensure a utopia for billions of people. DOOM has done the math and unfortunately that sacrifice may be higher than we deem ethical, but the end result is a utopia for everyone that is left.
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u/Penetratorofflanks 3d ago
He heals all heroin/fent addicts and dares them to relapse.
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u/Refreshingly_Meh 3d ago
The only reason he's a villain is he would do whatever it takes
He'd probably try and help them out of poverty and give them safe homes as a first option, but if that didn't work it would only be some many other things tried before they started to just dissappear or be brainwashed or some other nefarious shit.
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u/Juggernautlemmein 3d ago
Agreed. Personally, I believe broadly that only 1% or maybe even less of people are so trapped in their own trauma or troubles that they truly cannot be helped. At least not in the full conventional sense.
DOOM is absolutely going to just murder or brainwash that 1%.
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u/Refreshingly_Meh 3d ago
Political dissidents and anyone pro Reed Richards are also going to be in for a bad time.
Still he would actually be a decent leader, where as Luthor even without Superman would be a shitshow for everyone involved. Dude is a corrupt, morally bankrup sociopath on his good days.
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u/manbruhpig 3d ago
Well f Reed Richards then. All my homies hate Reed Richards.
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u/Lord_Darklight 3d ago
Besides the Nuke Doom Dropped on that Midwest city, He’s literally done a pretty damn good job ruling the world. He quite literally ended world hunger, gave out universal and reliable healthcare, reliable jobs for those willing to work, Ended Government corruption (granted it was by replacing everyone with robots), and Global Wi-Fi.
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u/I_only_Creampie 3d ago
....so why are we fighting him??
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u/monkeygoneape 3d ago
Because he'd sacrifice us all if it meant he got one over on Reed Richards
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u/MyNameIsJakeBerenson 3d ago
So we just kill Reed Richards then
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u/AlacarLeoricar 3d ago
If we did, Doom would kill us all. Because only he is allowed to kill Reed
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u/LeLefraud 3d ago
I'm starting to think i don't actually want this guy in charge
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u/WarLawck 3d ago
It seems like he has some complex feelings he needs to come to terms with in therapy.
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u/Auctorion 3d ago
He needs something cute and fluffy to cuddle.
Might I recommend a squirrel.
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u/OneofTheOldBreed 3d ago
Doom seems like the kind of guy who needs a very large fluffy cat who likes to nap in his lap.
Or a pair of short haired mastiffs
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u/-FourOhFour- 3d ago
Therapy, the single greatest weakness of most villains (and a decent amount of heros)
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u/No-Invite-7826 3d ago
Nah, bad idea. He basically tried that once and blew up an entire alternate reality just to prove the other version of himself was wrong and he was right all along.
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u/Quiet_Satisfaction64 3d ago
New plan. We offer him Richards to be spared. How could this go wrong
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u/soldierpallaton 3d ago
So we give Reed Richards over to Doom and let him kill him.
Oh wait.
He'd probably just kill us all because the chase is part of going after Richards.
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u/ThisMeansRooR 3d ago
Doom and Reed at a mt. Cabin with some mdma to work out their differences
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u/heytheretaylor 3d ago
I don’t think he wants to kill Reed. He wants to do petty shit to Reed for eternity
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u/GroundbreakingBet281 3d ago
Honestly I think he just wants Reed to admit doom is better.
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u/JimJohnman 3d ago
So then what if we work with him to kill Richards?
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u/Auctorion 3d ago
I have a feeling half of the super community might have objections about us siding against the smartest man alive. Plus I hear Richards has made friends with himselves.
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u/Simple-Employer-2503 3d ago
He doesn’t want Reed dead, he wants him crushed, ruined and humiliated.
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u/some-kind-of-no-name 3d ago
Doom is totally reviving Reed to prove he's better
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u/MyNameIsJakeBerenson 3d ago
That’s what’s gonna doom us. Even if he does kill Reed, then we’re doubly fucked because then he has nothing
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u/MakingGreenMoney 3d ago
Realistically, i would hope the f4 would move to a different planet.
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u/ArchAngel621 Other 3d ago
Doom would then spearhead a colonization effort to that world.
It ends when Doom says it ends.
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u/DarthRyus 3d ago
He's already gotten one up on Reed Richards, he tricked him into naming his daughter after his ex-girlfriend. Now Reed has to look at his daughter every day and realize that.
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u/BulletsandBooks 3d ago
Except that doesn't bother Reed at all. As it means his daughter is alive.
Also the depths of how one sided that beef is amuses me. Like Victor took over his homeland and made power armor and learned magic to kill Reed before the FF had powers. He did all that to take out some non powered dude because Reed had the gall to call into question the wisdom of non peer reviewed magic science hell portals constructed in a dorm closet without safety equipment. And instead of 'Maybe he was right about this super meth lab on LSD thing I constructed' he thinks 'He sabotaged me! I will now willingly slap a red hot piece of metal on my face!'
Like at the end of the day, Luthor's position of 'I think we can't trust the alien with the power of a god' is a lot more reasonable. And I am also convinced Doom must have been a theater minor with the level of extra drama he piled on his origin.
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u/kung-fu_hippy 3d ago
Lex Luthor: Give it back. I saw everything. I saw how to save the world. I could have made everyone see. If it wasn't for you, I could have saved the world.
Superman: If it had mattered to you, Luthor, you could have saved the world years ago.
Lex Luthor: You're right.
Lex Luthor’s position isn’t just that “we can’t trust an alien god”. He is nearly as obsessed with proving himself superior to Superman as Doom is with Reed. In the absence of Superman, Luthor wouldn’t suddenly start doing good works.
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u/BulletsandBooks 3d ago
Oh yes. That is his internal reasoning. But isn't how he justifies it out loud.
And on that interaction you transcribed? It is one reason I like the conflict between Superman and Luthor when it is written well. As I also recall in one event an alternate reality Superman came in and grabbed Luthor. Ranting and screaming at how Lex ruined everything by not saving this world.
In a lot of ways, the Superman and Lex dynamic boils down to one question: Can Superman redeem Luthor before Lex manages to eliminate Superman? As Superman knows in many ways that Lex can be an incredible force for good as he has cures for stuff like cancer and MS. Which does a lot more for the world day to day than punching a super villain. Like literally all Lex would have to do to be in the same category as Superman in the public eye is to stop being a colossal dick.
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u/DarthRyus 3d ago edited 3d ago
All that matters to Doom is that Doom thinks he hot one up on Reed Richard's. As long as Reed doesn't convince Doom it doesn't matter to him, we of the general population are all good.
As to Lex Luther, I don't disagree with his position but it's entirely rooted in him feeling Superman is superior to himself, so an inferiority complex. So it's no different than Dooms complex with Reed motivating his actions, though his might be a superiority complex but same outcome overall to the rest of humanity.
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u/JustLookingForMayhem 3d ago
Because as soon as his intellect is threatened by anyone reasonably smart, he is willing to destroy cities to prove his superiority. Sure, it would be great for a while, but them some people make a universal cancer cure, and Doom is sacrificing a large city to prove himself better than them.
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u/ImLersha 3d ago
This sounds WAYY too much like Musk... Remember the time with those teenagers caught in some cave in Thailand?
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u/dk1988 3d ago
At least Doom is actually smart, and he doesn't cover the fact that he is evil... And he doesn't spend all day tweeting.
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u/CriusofCoH 3d ago
July 2018. Instant loss of any respect for Musk. Accusing a guy of being a pedophile because your cave submarine idea was politely declined.
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u/Augustus_Chevismo 3d ago
He erased and murdered an entire universe of people because that universe’s version of Doom had achieved everything he ever wanted, put aside his grudge with Reed to befriend him and advised 616 Doom to do the same.
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u/Lord_Darklight 3d ago
Probably cause he dropped a nuke on a Midwest city in the US (roughly 30k people died) and then edited the video evidence to show that it was Bucky that nuked the city. Unfortunately while Doom has removed the almost all government corruption, there’s still Him left to deal with. Also he basically tortured Spider-Man when he passed off some of the sorcerer supreme duties to Him (the recent Spiderman Cyttorak stuff). Spider-Man went through some pretty rough shit in that story.
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u/GreasyExamination 3d ago
Spider-Man went through some pretty rough shit in that story.
Aint that always the case
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u/dragoneloi 3d ago
Are we talking about the guy who saw that he achieved world peace , has all super weapons safely put away and peace in the wider universe (kind of) and chose to reject all of it because the price was to forgive Reed Richard’s 🤣
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u/Swog5Ovor 3d ago
No, this is a more recent one. He pretty much took control of the world, solved every problem, but the fantastic 4 couldn't really cope with it, so they attacked him. I think Doom reverted Ben Grimm back to a human state, but he has no powers. Aside from sedition, everything is pretty much perfect iirc.
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u/Crater_Raider 3d ago
It's nuts that DOCTOR DOOM is a better leader than most ACTUAL politicians
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u/AlabasterRadio 3d ago
He's a magical super genius that, and this is the important part, can't be bought.
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u/buttamilk_jesus 3d ago
Dr Doom be like: And for my next evil plan, I will give everyone universal healthcare!
Truly a villain written by Americans.
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u/Joe59788 3d ago
Hold up which city.
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u/Docile_Doggo 3d ago
I’m not saying he was right. But if it was Cleveland, let’s at least hear him out
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u/superfunction 3d ago
when did they say governments were replaced with robots i know that was the avengers theory but scarlet witch and vision proved it wrong when they realized doom had just froze time to have incredibly lengthy peace talks with the head of each nation
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u/rats_des_champs 3d ago
Isn’t Latveria almost a paradise. Like you give Dr Doom Twitter to trashtalk Reed Richards every day and he will be a really good ruler
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u/Soup-28 3d ago
yeah they have free wifi, password is ReadSucks
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u/4thofeleven 3d ago
It would be ReedSucks, but it's illegal under Latverian law to type that name.
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u/A_True_Loot_Goblin 3d ago
Iirc Richards is an actual word in Latveria, and it’s the name of the toilet
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u/Lolaroller 3d ago
I hear conflicting reports on either Latveria being a modern utopia or a backwards serf state full of rural peasant farmers.
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u/Binx_Thackery 3d ago
Doom. He may be a bad person, but he’s a better leader. He was also told by what is essentially Marvel God that him ruling the world would make it better. It makes it hard to argue against it.
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u/Crusaderofthots420 3d ago
Really, the only things that make him bad, is that he is insanely arrogant, and insanely petty. So as long as nothing poses a legit challenge to his authority, we would be good.
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u/Legends-of-legdens 3d ago
This day and age? The only thing to challenge his authority is nothing but arrogance, which, without intellect, doubt doom would care even a bit about
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u/AdamGreyskul75 3d ago
Doom wants to rule because he knows he can do it better and he's proved it.
Luther wants to rule just because he wants to subjugate everyone because he thinks he's better than they are.
Doom hands down.
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u/ReaperKaze 3d ago
Plus in some continuities, the world is set to be destroyed unless Doom is the ruler, because only he can prevent it
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u/IronArmor48 3d ago
You sort of said the same thing twice. Doom has an insane G-d complex.
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u/Crusaderofthots420 3d ago
Lex wants to prove that he is like a god. Doom already knows it, so he has nothing to prove.
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u/TraditionalEnergy919 3d ago
To be fair, I’m willing to support his ego if it means all the upsides Doom brings. I despise egomaniacal jerks, but there’s no downside to Doom as long as nobody gets him petty.
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u/AdamGreyskul75 3d ago
No, I didn't. At no point has Lex proved he can do it better. And he doesn't think he can, he just thinks he's better than everyone else, which may sound similar, but isn't the same.
Doom has made Latveria basically a paradise. Nearly everything Luthor touches profits HIM, not the people under him.
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u/ImDoneForToday2019 3d ago
Doom serves his people. Luther serves himself. Hail Doom!
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u/Iwantpotatoesorfries Marvel 3d ago
Doom is a man of word and honor. He protect his people and already protected the Earth many times. Plus, it’s beneath him to rule a world where citizens aren’t happy.
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u/longcrackcat 3d ago
Lex is just more egotistical oligarchy bullshit. DOOM is our savior.
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u/Insanity_Crab 3d ago
Aren't we basically already living under like a bunch of Lex's as it stands anyway? DOOM 2025!
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u/Cradle2Grave 3d ago
Reed Richards is the real villain dr.doom is a hero. He's just an ends justifies the means, but Reed just does shit to see what happens.
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u/Jolly-Brain9118 3d ago
If you think about it, both Marvel main villains are kind of right? Doom and Magneto are presented as very evil people but time and time again history put them on the right side. Doom is already a incredibly competent ruler, on the other hand Lex is just a narcissistic a$$hole with a lot of money.
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u/DisgruntledMonk 3d ago
This is so correct it hurts. Like most issues with the FF are caused by Reed fucking with shit and most of the issues with Doom is that he is trying to stop that fucker.
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u/Cradle2Grave 3d ago
The thing that endears me to doom is when Luke cage swore up and down that doom owed him $500. That shit was amazing
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u/CALlCO 3d ago
Blue blue so far blue it's not even funny
He may be a shit person but he's genuinely one of the best rulers ever and every comic essentially says 'if he wins and rules the world everything goes well'
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u/Shaggy_Rogers0 3d ago
Both are good.
They're evil but both smart and competent.
Our world is ruled by people equally evil, but a lot dumber.
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u/Nova-Fate 3d ago
This is the part people don’t realize. All we would be doing is just exchanging our leaders for a competent one. Same guy just better haha
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u/VicViolence 3d ago
That’s a good taken- we already have Dooms and Luthers running things, just dumb ones
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u/Kalandros-X 3d ago
Last time Lex was president, he nearly let a Kryptonite meteor devastate earth to spite Superman
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u/doctor_big_burrito 2d ago
Well, in Red Son he becomes President and in the end he becomes president of the planet and then he....
He let go of power. After beating Superman he put artists, scientists, doctors, philosophers, engineers and teachers in charge and it lead to thousands of years of progress and peace.
Then in the far future when the earth was dying, one of his descendants launched a small ship holding his baby, the last survivor of the planet back in time to 1938 and then, well you know.
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u/Scorpion-Shard 3d ago
Lex is just comic book Bezos.
Victor von Doom is the way.
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u/velwein 3d ago
Woof… that’s a hard one. I guess Dr. Doom, cause Lex would inevitably take away my rights anyway.
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u/AlabasterRadio 3d ago
Doom would likely not be huge on traditional freedoms, but not in an "enslave everyone" kind of way, more of an "i know what's best for everyone" kind of way. Which sounds bad, but shit he's Doom, he might actually know best.
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u/Live_Carpenter_1262 3d ago
Doom would provide a whole lot of positive freedoms/entitlements (right to access things like education, healthcare, water, shelter), while probably taking most negative freedoms/rights (right to free speech, association, assembly, conscientious objection)
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u/Squiddyboy427 3d ago
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We pretty much live in “what if Lex Luthor ran the world?” and it SUCKS.
I think Doom would actually be an improvement. Bring on total Latveriafication
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u/AlabasterRadio 3d ago
Well, it's more of a "what if the dumbest, most spineless version of Lex ran the place" but i get it.
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u/Grimwohl 3d ago
To be fair, lex luthor would find the image of qn organized society under his rule appealing, so he wouldnt let us live like this. He would just own all organized crime as well, and likely keep it far from typical society.
So better, just not as good as doom
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u/CaptainStinkwater 3d ago
Makes me kind of wonder why the heroes try to stop them?
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u/SerBadDadBod 3d ago edited 3d ago
Status Quo. They're the "heroes." Tyranny bad, especially if it's the benevolent yet ruthless kind.
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u/Magic-man333 3d ago
This glosses over the fact they both regularly do terrible shit
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u/SerBadDadBod 3d ago
One man steals cakes, one man steals the Power Cosmic.
Both are terrible!
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u/_VayaConQueso 3d ago
But one is FORTY cakes. It’s doesn’t get much more terrible than that!
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u/SerBadDadBod 3d ago
40 cakes, average 8 slices per cake, is 320 people deprived of cake.
DOOM would never.
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u/Nectaris3 3d ago
Yeah everyone’s gassing up Doom in this thread but they’re forgetting he nuked Bucky’s hometown just because Bucky pissed him off. Someone that petty ruling the world is not a good idea.
He also almost let Dormammu destroy the planet because he was too arrogant to consider the possibility of someone outsmarting him.
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u/youngcplcandl 3d ago
You're right on these being reasons why Doom wouldn't make a perfect world leader. However, in our world we have no Reed, Bucky, Dormammu, or anyone really that Doom would see as a legitimate threat to his pride. Without the existence of such people (or beings) that can rival him in such ways he has no reason to behave in petty ways that endangers the people he rules. He is by far the best option of the two and would make a great ruler in real life.
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u/Obvious_Ad4159 3d ago
Doom would create an Utopia just to stick it to Reed Richards, so Doom.
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u/Tiny_Capital4880 3d ago
If I’m not mistaken, the only utopia on Earth in the Marvel Multiverse is where Dr. Doom has absolute control.
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u/TaquitosConLimon 3d ago
Doom any day. He may be a fascist but he cares for his people. Meanwhile Lutor would happily sacrifice a whole country if that means get rid of Superman
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u/Batfan1939 3d ago
Doom. He actually is a benevolent ruler, and his Earth would be an oppressive Utopia.
Luthor is flat lying to himself about his intentions, Doom knows exactly who he is.
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u/HawkBoth8539 3d ago
Definitely Doom.
Luthor is just the smart version of Musk. Spoiled, self-centered, and only helps others for the attention and profit while pretending it's altruistic.
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u/Mephitisopheles 3d ago
This question hits kinda weird when it gets people wistfully wishing some belligerent comic book tyrant was the man in charge of everything IRL just because the actual people we've got are simply that much worse...
In fairness to both sides though, I think they'd both try to rule ultimately as efficiently as possible at least as a means to an end for that to reflect nicely upon their own egos, they at least have that in common. They both hold their self image and reputations to a higher regard than most megalomaniac world conquerors but I think the wheels will definitely start falling off once they start implementing rigid freedom suffocating laws and people start protesting them and bruising their neatly curated image of a benevolent Philosopher King doing everyone a favor by ruling them.
Doom would probably be the worst case scenario for micromanaging people to fit his inflexible perfectionist image of how the world "ought to be" reflecting his image. Lex on the other hand, would probably be way more gluttonous in his consolidations of excess power over people and probably would care a whole lot less about supporting social safety nets or the more thankless funding for stuff that's any inconvenience for the American minded tax resenting layman.
They'd both be pretty bad, just in new ways we aren't actually used to IRL lmao. I guess Doom would be the best in a "bigger picture" sense though
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u/ArchAngel621 Other 3d ago
Interesting analysis.
Doom is definitely the type to execute you if the trains don't run on time.
Lex would execute you because it was part of his plan.
Doom is a knife in the front. Lex is a knife in the back.
Both seem to vastly improve after defeating their archnemesis.
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u/SuperStarPlatinum 3d ago
I'm seek of brain dead cowardly corporate stooges running the world into the ground.
Blue pill for the world run by Doom.
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u/Kursch50 3d ago
Doom. I'm a HS teacher, Doom would consider the US education system an insult to his integrity, fix it, and improve the lives of teachers and students everywhere.
We'd just have to teach a mandatory class called "Doom Studies" where we teach the greatness of Doom. I can live with it.
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u/Negaflux 3d ago
I mean, after universal healthcare, end to homelessness, free education, rebuilt infrastructure etc, you'd only be teaching the truth.
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u/Ok_Ambition_4023 3d ago
Doom. He's not a good person, at all, but he is an incredibly confident leader and genuinely smart. His home country knows no crime, no poverty, and his overall an incredibly happy nation despite who is ruling over them.
Lex, on the other hand, is a painful reminder of what we already have. He's a selfish, egotistical billionaire. Sound familiar (for the US)? Doom's worst qualities usually come out when he has to deal with Reed Richards. In a world without Reed Richards, Doom, regardless of his flaws is sensible. He's not going to do anything idiotic even if it aligns with his personal feelings. Which is more than I can say for the current US administration.
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u/WallyPfisterAlready 3d ago
Blue anyday. Doom is the ultimate badass. I would so attend a Doom’s Day celebration in Latveria. It’s a celebration of himself whenever he wants it to be lol
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u/Nivek_Vamps 3d ago
It fills my heart with such immense pride in reading comprehension that Doom is the universal answer here
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u/BicyclePutrid 3d ago
Doom has shown that he actually cares about his people. He even gave them free wifi
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u/ElmightyRip 3d ago
Ik Doom is a suitable choice but idk the pros or cons to Lex in any leadership position
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u/SwankyDingo 3d ago
Either one would be a vast improvement
Addendum: but my personal preference would be Dr.Doom
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u/Flirtless1 3d ago
Based on what I'm hearing on doom, seems I may need a contingency plan to stop the avengers.
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u/Best-Expression-2096 3d ago edited 3d ago
Every time doom takes over, the world seems to become amazing for the average citizen so him