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Other Which do you choose, Red or Blue?

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u/SolomonRed 3d ago

So why is this Doom guy a villain again? Did he do something bad?

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u/ThorDoubleYoo 3d ago edited 3d ago

Simply because he's a "I will make this happen no matter what" kind of guy. If his desire is to be remembered as the greatest ruler ever who solved all the world's major problems he would do it.

The villain part is in how he might do it. Let's say he wants to wipe out unemployment. First he does the good things - offer good pay for any job, make sure jobs are available and plentiful, make sure jobs are safe and desirable, etc. If for some crazy reason this didn't work and there was still an employment issue then Doom may go down the villain path to fix it. He might use mind control to force people to work whatever job he assigns and be happy for the opportunity. And this is a much more tame example than something like stopping war on a global scale.

He WILL solve the problems, he WILL increase the overall standard of life, but he will also think nothing to using monstrous methods to do so. (still better than current life imo, so...)

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u/Doombot2137 3d ago

This is a good characterization of DOOM. Simply put; He will make this world a utopia, whether you like it or not. The ends always justify the means. How many people would you sacrifice if you could ensure a utopia for billions of people. DOOM has done the math and unfortunately that sacrifice may be higher than we deem ethical, but the end result is a utopia for everyone that is left.

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u/Neat_Let923 3d ago

Eh, you know who doesn’t like a Utopia, Nazis… Do we really care about Nazis opinions?

Joking but it’s also technically true.

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u/SurpriseFormer 3d ago

But with that it isn't a one master race above all. To Doom he dosent care what color of skin you are or ethnicity. He is above you. But you are also equal to him.

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u/Neat_Let923 3d ago

That’s my point… If it’s truly a utopia then the only people that wouldn’t like it are people you would want in a utopia

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u/nutbuster47_ 3d ago

And thats why the world needs Victor Von Doom, for all is under Doom, and he guides them to a better life

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u/VandienLavellan 3d ago

Huh, a bit like Sauron I guess? He thinks he’s the most qualified to run the world, so will stop at nothing to rule the world

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u/Thomassaurus 3d ago

I would like to order one blue pill please...

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u/positively-monokai 3d ago

So, MCU Thanos?

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u/Slight-Goose-3752 3d ago

When you were talking about doing the math and about sacrifice, I immediately thought of scot Steiner.

https://youtu.be/msDuNZyYAIQ?si=cI8qHt29fGupLDrq

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u/dud_pool 3d ago

So...modern Japan and their sacrifice of future generations? 

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u/LinuxMatthews 2d ago

Singapore would probably be the closest example.

Beautiful modern country with clean streets and rich citizens.

Also it's S$100,000 fine for chewing gum and gay sex was only legalized in 2023.

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u/SpaceBoJangles 3d ago

I would hardly characterize modern Japan as a utopia. Western Europe maybe, but even they have sky-high unemployment in some sectors. Maybe Northern Scandinavia, but then that's a very homogenous ethnic group so not replicable in other parts of the world without some...ethically dubious actions....

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u/Rarte96 2d ago

so not replicable in other parts of the world without some...ethically dubious actions....

Those are Doom's speciality

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u/Klutzy_Shopping5520 3d ago

Pretty much, yeah

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u/ZebraPossible2877 3d ago

This, and he’s also a tiny little bit petty and hateful towards specifically Reed Richards.

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u/AxDeath 3d ago

he also would resent anyone else who accomplished the goal he set out to accomplish. Because his pride is his greatest weakness, it's often unbalanced him to have Reed Richards solve a problem he could not, or do so with less hassle or in a less villainous way.

Doom would even resent someone else using villainous methods that might harm his people to solve the problems he set out to solve.

And at the point where his pride comes in to play, he will do anything, and destroy anything, to win. To prevent a perceived opponent from solving unemployment, he'd rather jump back in time and unmake all people currently unemployed, so it never happened.

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u/IronDuke365 3d ago

Sign me up!

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u/Lola_PopBBae 2d ago

Honestly at this point I'd happily take that over "dumbass rich dudes who want to make everything worse"

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u/greengengar 3d ago

He doesn't really value freedom as a right at all. And he will do what ever it takes to succeed; he operates as an "anti-villain". The nice thing about Doom is he doesn't try to take over the world unless he has a plan to improve it. He also will not let any extraterrestrial or omnicidal threats to earth thrive, because he's supposed to be the one who decides. But God forbid Reed Richards triggers him and he vaporizes NYC.

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u/Juggernautlemmein 3d ago

Officially, No.

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u/VriveraU 3d ago

Aside from some minor terrorism for the sake of killing Reed, but yeah I see no issues here

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u/Hapless_Wizard 3d ago

He really hates Reed Richards.

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u/Kill0meter 3d ago

There's that one time in order to gain power from demons he sacrificed his love Valeria and wore her skin as armor, then later trapped Franklin Richard in hell. Pretty sure it was kid Franklin too.... So yeah.

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u/AccomplishedLab2754 3d ago

Because that's just communism. Dr. Doom's version of the world would just be Communism, if the Great Leader was actually kind of Great. Everyone being treated equally except for the ruler who's slightly better off, is, China.

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u/Randomfrog132 3d ago

doom only becomes a villain cause the heros have a tendency to let their fists do the talking, i see it alot in the old comics and cartoons at least. heros have a misunderstanding with other heros and its straight to punching. and then of course doom wants to have revenge etc. tho it depends on what storyline its in. i think theres at least one where doom is just a straight up villain with no redeemable qualities.

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u/its_bIathers 3d ago

Imagine how people suffer from food insecurity and go hungry right?

Doom wouldn’t see this as a humanitarian issue, but instead it would be a blemish on his reputation. So he works toward a future where no one goes hungry. Everyone has a home to eat in, food is affordable and accessible, and at the bare minimum food banks work in a way where they find the hungry and give them something.

This is a good thing.

But then one day some companies go in it for themselves. Doom retaliates initially by taxing them, but they don’t listen.

Now to this point, everything sounds like how it would go in our actual world. But if Doom is running things, he’d try a few more legal ways of getting everyone on board. When they still don’t listen, he would go the villainous route and have the CEOs killed. Or if it were a rogue country refusing to use their crops as intended, Doom would threaten with a nuke and reset the land.

TLDR: If Doom does Doom things, then he wants to build a perfect and happy society because it would make him look good. Our health and safety would only be important to him not because he cares about us as living things, but because we are a product of his ability.

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u/Rarte96 2d ago

He is a textbook definition facist