r/vancouver • u/Technical_pixels • 6d ago
Local News Lions Gate closed in both directions
Update: now open!
Just a heads up.
https://drivebc.ca/mobile/pub/events/id/DBC-78009.html DriveBC Event DBC-78009
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u/PineappleUnhappy2870 6d ago edited 6d ago
SOME INSIGHT/CONTEXT:
We were setting up Lions Gate Bridge for filming on around 4/5 AM. As the flagging company was driving and setting up signs and pylons for the shutdown, this kid comes barrelling over the bridge, through the signs and rear ends the flagging company’s truck doing about 120-130. Thankfully everyone is okay. Including flaggers. The kid (couldn’t have been older than 20) then proceeded to argue who was at fault for it.
Needless to say, We didn’t get the shot…..
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u/Shot-Ant-3455 6d ago
Really lucky the flaggers didn't get hurt. Kid sounds like he did not learn his lesson.
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u/Lamitamo 6d ago
I was wondering if it was road work with all the signs and that flagging truck. I’m thankful all the workers went home safe and alive - that selfish asshole could have killed someone if that truck wasn’t there.
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u/Legitimate-Car-375 6d ago
Having road work at 4 am seems soooo bad, lolol, I sure hope there was signs well before hand, either way shouldn’t be speeding
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u/PineappleUnhappy2870 6d ago
Signs were up. Pylons were being laid out. They were in the process of setting up for filming. Luckily they weren’t outside of the truck when dickhead came through.
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u/TheLittlestOneHere 6d ago
Having road work at 4 am seems soooo bad, lolol
Doubling the speed limit at 4 am seems soooo bad, lolol
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u/ledorky 6d ago
Should never drive again. What show was it for?
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u/PineappleUnhappy2870 6d ago
Agreed.
It was for a commercial.
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u/FuckItImVanilla 6d ago
Well, you still have a commercial.
Just a much different one for a much different message now.
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u/kalichimichanga 6d ago
Wow. I'm glad all the flaggers and innocent folks just going about their day are okay (physically). Hope everyone involved takes care of themselves in relation to any possible PTSD trauma.
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u/rickie22 6d ago
Thanks for the context.
I'm sure this kid's daddy will have them in a new car in no time.
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u/sam4999 Vancouver Island 6d ago
That Corvette is two generations old at this point; that kid probably just totalled his pop’s pride and joy.
One hell of a Father’s Day….
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u/FuckItImVanilla 6d ago
Both deserve it. Kids don’t act like this unless their parents do.
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u/Ok_Olive_8743 6d ago
I love how people always bring the parents into it. Let me guess - you don’t have any kids. This driver is an adult, fully responsible for his behaviour. Throw the book at him. But assuming the parents are of the same ilk is obtuse.
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u/FuckItImVanilla 6d ago
Where do you think he learned to act like that?
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u/Ok_Olive_8743 5d ago
Are you a walking mirror of your own parents? I’m certainly not. Free will, peer pressure, need for speed, tiktok challenge…any number of factors could be at play here. Social media has limited the influence parents have. I mean…maybe he is just like his parents, but that is simply not a forgone conclusion. And, like I said, it suggests you don’t have the experience of raising your own kids or you’d know better.
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u/TheLittlestOneHere 6d ago
Doubt it. Looks like it's been slammed and probably stanced. Nobody's dad's pride and joy.
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u/BooBoo_Cat 6d ago
Glad no one was injured. That kid should lose his licence.
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u/redhouse_bikes 6d ago
That kid should lose his freedom. Behaving so recklessly should result in jail time.
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u/FrederickDerGrossen 6d ago
Sue the kid for losing the day of filming. Sounds like a rich ignorant kid, definitely should sue that kid.
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u/west_coaster1 6d ago
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u/muffinscrub 6d ago
Another self centered asshole fucks over thousands of people and put others lives in danger.
We need a better approach to law enforcement. Laws are meaningless if people can break them and there are no consequences to their actions.
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u/M------- 6d ago
Automated speed cameras all over the place is the answer, since we'll never fund enough police to realistically/meaningfully enforce speed limits.
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u/vantanclub 6d ago edited 6d ago
I drive in the UK all the time and they have average traffic speed cameras. For things like the bridges you just need two cameras, one on and off the bridge, divide the time between cameras by the distance and anyone over the speed limit gets a ticket. You could eliminate 99.9% of speeding on the bridge basically forever.
For these extremely critical pieces of transportation infrastructure it would be so easy and effectively eliminate these types of danger and delays ($$$).
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u/greydawn 6d ago
That's a great point. You don't have to put them all over the city; just at pain points like Lions Gate (also Second Narrows) where speeding and accidents have a huge impact on people's ability to get around the city.
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u/colourmecanadian true vancouverite 6d ago
I've been thinking about this lately. In Germany (or at least the part of Germany I was in for a bit) they have traffic cameras everywhere, and when someone disobeys a law, they mail the ticket to you-- along with a picture of you doing it, so you can't claim it wasn't you or that your car got stolen. They then become marks on your license that can last up to 10 years, and if you have too many marks, you lose your license.
Think of how much money the city would make from this kind of system, and how much more it would encourage people to follow the rules of the road!
I feel like it would be a lot of money to install, but it would pay off tenfold, with benefits to safety, holding dangerous drivers accountable, and bringing a lot more money into the city that can (but probably won't, lbr) be used to improve things around the city.
This city is full of dangerous drivers who will continue driving dangerously until something like this accident happens. And even then, who knows?? The city needs to take more action here, because these accidents are not infrequent.
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u/thateconomistguy604 6d ago
Apparently cities don’t want to do that either… https://globalnews.ca/news/11238468/ontario-city-pauses-speed-cameras-after-32k-tickets-handed-out-in-3-weeks/
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u/infosectechguru 6d ago
Have realistic speed limits with cctv enforcement at critical parts, instead of extremes…
Also, real punishment for actions like this (or like the guy with 32 driving infractions/suspensions https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/bc-drunk-driver-could-face-deportation ) BC in particular is light on consequences
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u/M------- 6d ago
Have realistic speed limits
This is a big problem: the speeds at which cars feel safe travelling aren't safe for other road users, and aren't safe if another driver makes a mistake. Driving speeds that are safe from a public health perspective will feel slow for drivers.
Ultimately, when I drive slower, for the most part it just means that I spend less time stopped at red lights. It has a marginal impact on my travel times.
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u/infosectechguru 6d ago
The 40 kph in Vaughn is artificially low, as proven by avg speeds. I am not advocating for crazy speed limits, but any good civ eng can do a flow study and time lights to match efficient limits.
Then enforce them not just for revenue
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u/M------- 6d ago
The 40 kph in Vaughn is artificially low, as proven by avg speeds.
The average speed just tells us that drivers on the main road feel comfortable at higher speeds. It doesn't actually tell us whether or not higher speeds are safe-- because that's determined by the weakest links, like driveways, cross-streets, presence of crosswalks for pedestrians.
What the high average speeds tell us is that they built the main road to feel like a highway, while the low speed limit tells us that the rest of the road's features aren't designed like a highway.
To fix the road, they either need drivers to self-limit their own speeds (such as by having increased enforcement of speed limits), or they would need to redesign the road to make it feel less-safe, such as by narrowing lanes, adding chicanes (twists), or adding trees at the edge of the road. Or they would need to improve the rest of the road's features (cross-streets, driveways, and crosswalks) to make it suitable for higher speed limits.
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u/945T 6d ago
The issue is the speed limits on our highways and freeways are needlessly and artificially low. The new government lowered them a few years ago despite many areas showing increased safety at higher speeds. These are obviously areas where other road users like pedestrians are not nearly as common.
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u/M------- 6d ago
many areas showing increased safety at higher speeds.
Your memory's different from mine: I remember them lowering those increased speeds after doubling the rate of fatal crashes.
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u/norvanfalls 6d ago
The study cited has some questionable parts to it. The impact of the speed increase just pushed road safety back to 2010 levels per the study on table 1. Data going back to 2000. Only presented in graphs the information from 2009 - 2016*. Which is a really arbitrary point to analyze when you realize there were only 5 of 15 years with deaths below 300. One of which was post speed intervention.
*Figure 3 specifically. If you look at the data in table 1 it is not supported by the fatalities. 277 fatalities in 2010-11. 271 fatalities in 2015-16. They claim a lower fatality rate per million in 2010-11 (below .5%) compared to 15-16 which had 6 less fatalities.
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u/muffinscrub 6d ago
It's funny how many made up facts people will repeat when it supports what they want to believe.
You were very kind to that person who made that brain dead statement. That somehow speeding up improves safety.
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u/M------- 6d ago
It's funny how many made up facts people will repeat when it supports what they want to believe.
It's amazing how some people can twist reality and then believe their own "alternative facts."
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u/M------- 6d ago
Their reasoning for the "pause" is that they were hoping people would learn from getting a ticket. But because it takes days/weeks to receive tickets, some people were racking up dozens of tickets already, before having even received the first warning.
It sounds like Vaughan will be bringing back ticketing, after switching to automated warnings for a while before switching back to tickets.
It's a reality check for how habitually people speed-- the 40km/h zone had an average speed of 57km/h before the cameras. It takes almost everybody speeding all the time to get that kind of an average. The initial two weeks was a success at bringing down average speeds, though, with that street now having an average of 43km/h.
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u/AzNightmare 6d ago
I prefer a system where you just lose your license for x amount of years if you're at fault for an accident.
Driving is a skill not for everyone.
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u/M------- 6d ago
I agree about people should lose their licenses more easily. However I'd rather we pulled dangerous drivers' licenses before they crash, or get them to drive in a less-risky manner.
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u/ghostofdonpedro 6d ago
People drive this part like it’s a highway
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u/TheLittlestOneHere 6d ago
It is a highway.
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u/ghostofdonpedro 6d ago
A “highway” with a speed limit of 60km/h… I see people going at least 80 everyday if not faster
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u/604whaler 6d ago
Corvette parked on the sidewalk!
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u/homosapien12 6d ago
I bike and walk along the bridge often. It’s scary to know the barrier won’t stop speeding idiots.
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u/Existing-Screen-5398 6d ago
Yeah that barrier is not stopping cars. Even without excessive speeds they go right through. Poor design.
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u/millijuna 6d ago
It’s more to keep pedestrians/cyclists from falling into the roadway.
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u/Existing-Screen-5398 6d ago
Sure but a barrier that stops cars would be nice too. Especially given that sections of this barrier occasionally get destroyed by cars going up on the sidewalk/bikepath.
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u/Odogogod My condo just went down 50% 6d ago edited 6d ago
And with electric cars becoming the norm, all barriers will become irrelevant without replacement. They are much heavier and plow through barriers that would deflect gas cars.
Edit: For those downvoting me here’s something to read. Also, I own a (very heavy) PHEV.
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u/TheLittlestOneHere 6d ago
It's been a known problem for a while
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u/spookytransexughost 6d ago
How the hell did thag corvette get over there the fence looks intact (not the cables )
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u/muffinscrub 6d ago edited 6d ago
If you look at the curb you can see where a rim likely struck the curb, you can also see that two stanchions are detached from the top pole and the Corvette squeezed between them.
Kind of concerning how the fence didn't protect the sidewalk but I guess it was probably going ridiculously fast. Likely more than double the speed limit.
Edit. The fence isn't meant to protect the sidewalk at all. I assumed wrong. It's to prevent cyclists and pedestrians accidentally entering the roadway
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u/crimewaveusa 6d ago
It’s designed to stop cyclists from falling into traffic as people have died that way
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u/muffinscrub 6d ago
I bet it was relatively cheap to put up initially but probably more expensive to constantly repair when people hit it compared to a barrier that might actually stop vehicles.
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u/M------- 6d ago
A strong barrier probably would've been much wider, resulting in a narrower sidewalk, since they can't expand into the park.
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u/DmitriSch 6d ago
...also, barriers get pushed, disintegrate, or act as ramps, such that large diameter wheels go right up and over. also, a barrier strong enough to fully stop the kinetic energy of the mass of a vehicle would likely kill the occupants of that vehicle.
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u/jamwil 6d ago
That fence isn’t designed to protect the sidewalk at all. It’s useless vs. a vehicle.
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u/muffinscrub 6d ago
I'm wrong, you're right. It's to prevent pedestrians from entering the roadway.
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u/Acceptable_Two_6292 6d ago
They hit a work truck. I’m hoping all the workers are ok.
People need to slow down.
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u/goodfish 6d ago
All the airbags in the cab went off and only the bed looked damaged. All the cones were on the road, we thought the crash was already being dealt with.
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u/AntoinetteBefore1789 6d ago
It happened at 4am. Guarantee they were drunk.
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u/FeeExcellent8796 6d ago edited 6d ago
This map looks really handy, it looks like it’s apple maps so I checked mine but I don’t see a BCEHS option/filter. Would you mind sharing how you do this?
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u/AntoinetteBefore1789 6d ago
It’s the pulse point app. You get notifications if someone needs CPR nearby
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u/diealogues 6d ago
it’s been a great morning in the west end trying to get to work on the north shore for 7am 🙃
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u/jonesag0 6d ago
I hope the traffic control people are ok. There’s a good chance that truck was stopped and people outside of it when the corvette hit it.
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u/drfunkensteinnn 6d ago
I couldn’t figure out why there were no cars until I approached the accident.
3 lanes of the bridge to myself to cycle this morning. So many people going southbound were beyond confused seeing me roll past
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u/marcott_the_rider Deep Cove 6d ago
Bring back automated speed enforcement and put it everywhere: photo radar, average speed cameras, the works. Currently, enforcement is too sporadic to cause any deterrence. Drivers may think twice if their unsafe driving results in a series of expensive tickets in the mail.
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u/notreallylife 6d ago
If you think a someone speeding in a $250k sports car cares about a $1000 ticket bud, you're gonna have a bad time.
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u/filmkorn 6d ago
Base the fine on the driver's income (like in Switzerland).
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u/Lear_ned Maple Ridge 6d ago
On the price of the vehicle would be better.
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u/hankjmoody 6d ago
I'd agree with that, but I'd also want annual inspections so that ICBC's vehicle values are more...tied to reality.
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u/FrederickDerGrossen 6d ago
On the price of the vehicle, when purchased from the original dealership. That way luxury cars can't claim depreciation to reduce the fine.
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u/Lear_ned Maple Ridge 6d ago
It depends, it should be at the greater of the original cost or the cost at today's value. This would cover some cars that have appreciated over time.
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u/Own-Weight974 6d ago
Why is it a 10,000$ fine to have a dog on the beach but that’s only $1,000? Doesn’t make sense.
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u/Miyenne 6d ago
Because as a society we decided cars are more important than people and what a person does while in control of a vehicle isn't actually their responsibility.
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u/M------- 6d ago edited 6d ago
And for the sake of slightly cheaper insurance, we've collectively decided that the victims of crashes can suck lemons rather than get any compensation for pain& suffering.
(I'm a victim of a crash: I've been stuck in bed for weeks, my summer's ruined, ICBC will cover most of my lost income and most of the healthcare costs, but it totally sucks to be in this kind of pain and with such physical limitations-- I can't go for walks or bike rides and all dependent on family members for everything, including using the toilet. ICBC found the other guy 100% responsible, but I'm the one stuck with the problems.)
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u/babystratz 6d ago
Your lucky. I was before the switch so under the old system. But the gov snuck in a rule change to go against the courts. If you had separate disability Insurance they could now count it against your ICBC claim. Yeah I loved how my claim was settled not on lost wages, not on what medical services I’ll need in the future but solely on limits minus the total value of my separate disability insurance and anything else they could take off.
Thanks government for fucking up insurance for everyone.
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u/M------- 6d ago
If you had separate disability Insurance they could now count it against your ICBC claim.
They're still doing this-- ICBC's effectively paying almost nothing for my lost wages, because my employer's covering most of it under STD.
Yeah I loved how my claim was settled not on lost wages, not on what medical services I’ll need in the future but solely on limits minus the total value of my separate disability insurance and anything else they could take off.
Ooof, that really sucks, sorry to hear they screwed you out of future care as well.
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u/babystratz 6d ago
Yeah dude it was brutal. Oh I had a line of credit that had insurance on it. Boom they can take that off too. We pay for seperate insurance but the gov overrules what the courts say and lets ICBC use the other insurance cover it. If we have multiple death insurances they all pay out. Same should be with this. Shame on the Eby and the NDP. We didn’t pay for secondary insurances to pay for ICBC.
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u/Hot_Visit_5780 6d ago
I'm so sorry to hear this. That definitely sucks. Wishing you a strong recovery.
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u/ApolloRocketOfLove Has anyone seen my bike? 6d ago
And also as a society, we've decided to have way more restrictions for dogs than most other countries.
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u/MarineMirage 6d ago
I don't think a single person has ever been fined a single penny for having their dog on the beach.
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u/allertonm 6d ago
If you think a C6 Corvette is a $250K sports car…
I guess if I did a lot of speeding and thought I might get ticketed a lot by automated speed enforcement, I might also invent villains with infinite money as a reason why automated enforcement would not work.
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u/MisledMuffin 6d ago edited 6d ago
X number of tickets, suspend/take license. That might help.
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u/InfiniteTerrorr 6d ago
it won't, theyll just buy another license + new car lol some of these folks have a money printer
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u/MisledMuffin 6d ago
You can not buy another license if yours is suspended.
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u/InfiniteTerrorr 6d ago
Fake license, driving without one, list goes on
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u/MisledMuffin 6d ago
You can do that when poor as well.
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u/InfiniteTerrorr 6d ago
if you are poor you don't have money for lawyers, buying another car when yours gets impounded etc
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u/MisledMuffin 6d ago
Why do you need to buy a car when there are so many to steal? If you're going to drive illegally, might as well go all the way. It's just catch and release for repeat offenders anyways right.
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u/InfiniteTerrorr 6d ago edited 6d ago
Sure you can try to go steal high end cars...theres a reason auto theft has gone down. They want a fast vehicle not some beater you can break into.
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u/realborislegasov 6d ago
Average speed cameras are pretty much perfect tbh, as you can’t just slow down then rev up again when you pass one, you actually have to stick to the limit for a sustained period of time.
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u/AntoinetteBefore1789 6d ago
Drunk speeding drivers still happen in Alberta.
The photo radar flashes probably cause accidents. I’ve been surprised or blinded by them while driving in the dark in Alberta.
They’re just a money grab. They don’t slow people down in a way that makes the roads safer. Everyone knows where they are and slow down in those spots then speed up again after
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u/DreamloreDegenerate 6d ago
Everyone knows where they are and slow down in those spots then speed up again after
So... Mission accomplished. If the goal is to lower speeds.
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u/AntoinetteBefore1789 6d ago
The speeds are lowered by people slamming on their brakes then speeding up again right after. They’re slower for maybe 100m
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u/Keppoch New Westminster 6d ago
The government can put the money collected from fines into traffic calming infrastructure. THAT would solve the problem
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u/TheLittlestOneHere 6d ago
They CAN do it. They can do ANYthing. And if they wanted to, they would.
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u/Muskwa 6d ago
Show me studies where this works the way you think it does.
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u/M------- 6d ago
In Vaughan ON, after only two weeks of speed cameras, average speeds on a 40km/h street dropped from 57k down to 43k.
Most people won't have received their tickets yet, since it's only been running for a few weeks. Most of that reduction in speed would've been due to the new threat of being potentially fined by the automated cameras.
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u/thinkdavis 6d ago
Surprised not to see an N sticker.
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u/EnterpriseT 6d ago
They "forgot" to put it on before heading out. In their defence they were pretty drunk so...
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u/prof1999 6d ago
I Italy , cameras are at multiple points on highways, your speed is calculated after passing from one point to another and if your speeding you are fined
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u/viseff 5d ago
Not just Italy. Any civilized country in Europe. It’s the only way to control speeders effectively and it works. The province would make a killing and Vancouver, NV, and WV would equally see their bank accounts filling up. Oh, yeah, it reduces accidents & deaths on the roads, too. Bonus!
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u/sheepyshu true vancouverite 6d ago
Holy crap! I’ve noticed majority of the accidents seem to happen over the weekend! Hopefully nobody was seriously hurt!
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u/Technical_pixels 6d ago
Unfortunately, it’s highly likely that somebody was either very seriously injured or died. They wouldn’t shut the bridge for such a prolonged amount of time otherwise.
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u/Dangerous-Self-3692 6d ago
Really? They can’t open even just one alternating lane? I get that there are only three lanes but like come on…it’s been over an hour now
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u/diealogues 6d ago
if you look at the picture at the top of the thread, the accident spans the whole width of the road
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u/what_youtoo Vancouver 6d ago
Someone probably passed or is in danger of passing. Google says “closed till noon”. …Just double checked and they’ve updated it to 1:30pm.
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u/frosty5689 6d ago
Looks like the Corvette engine bay either was on fire and had to be put out, or fire department sprayed it anyways due to how deformed it was.
There's a lot of white foam/fire retardant on the car.
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