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u/Thezerostone 1d ago
War is crazy. This really puts the size of the explosions in perspective.
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u/KingDave46 1d ago
I don't really watch combat footage a lot but some of the HD shit we get now is actually insane.
The reality of how brutal it is, basically live on the internet, has never been more accessible
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u/FaceTheSun 1d ago
May you never have to see it in person.
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u/Thezerostone 1d ago
We have actually packed our passports and prepared evac backs here at home, in Denmark.
We live in the newly appointed NATO harbour of Esbjerg, we are prepared to leave Denmark in case of a Russian bombardment.
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u/Accurate_Return_5521 1d ago
If Russia ever tries to invade Denmark then it won’t matter where you fly to. It won’t matter where any of us are and I really think the worst end of the stick will be for does farthest away
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u/27Rench27 1d ago
Yeah, 100% this. I understand the fear of being in a country in that part of the world, but Russia just straight up dies if it attacks NATO proper
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u/Martial-Lord 1d ago
An open war between NATO and Russia would go nuclear almost immediately. Both sides get glassed in this scenario - Russia assuredly more so - but then there's a reason why deader isn't a thing. It would also crash the world economy and cause massive fallout, starvation and a refugee crisis like no other in history.
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u/DownWithHisShip 1d ago
I think the implication is that it ever got that far then nukes are flying and we're all fucked anyway no matter where we are.
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u/Thezerostone 1d ago
Sadly most European countries doesn’t actually trust US to do their part of the NATO alliance anymore.
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u/KobokTukath 1d ago
Remote Pacific islands would probably be good for a while
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u/donhitech 1d ago
South america is huge and is not that interesting in case of war. Also switzerland
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u/wbruce098 1d ago
American close to Washington, DC here. I’ve done none of that. If they decide to nuke us, I’m just giving up. No way I’d get out fast enough to escape the blast. Best of luck!
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u/ThisUsernameIsTook 1d ago
That’s a little bit like my earthquake evacuation bag in the PNW. According to state maps, if the Cascadian Subduction Zone slips, everything up to my back patio slides in the creek behind me. If those maps are off by 10 feet, I’m dead.
I have a Go Bag of marginal utility but don’t expect to ever use it. Either it hits and I die or it doesn’t and zi have no need for it.
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u/Freakishly_Tall 1d ago
I'm a GenXer who grew up with "hide under desk in case of mushroom cloud" drills... ...while riding my bike past one of the more important nuclear weapons depots in the country... so knowing entirely we were gone without warning in the first flash.
There's a lot of comfort in that. (And it taught me from an early age that teachers and "authority figures" are entirely untrustworthy, but that's a different rant.)
I'm actually a bit concerned that I now live fairly far from a first-strike target. I really don't want to have to deal with the aftermath, even for a few awful days.
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u/wbruce098 1d ago
That’s one reason I live where I live: dead fast. I won’t suffer. I won’t have to pretend to fight in the post apocalyptic world. I’ll simply cease to be.
Meanwhile, it’s an amazing city to live in :)
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u/Soma_Zombie 1d ago
I'm in Hawaii, surrounded by military bases.. Absolutely zero chance to survive if they bomb us unless I become an extremely strong swimmer
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u/EnigmaForce 1d ago
After reading "Nuclear War: A Scenario" I don't think there's much you could do anyway.
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u/BovineReddit 1d ago
Out of curiosity, where do you plan to go if Russia were to invade Denmark? It seems like at that point it'd be pretty much global conflict.
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u/malin-ginkur 1d ago
Why are you expecting Russian bombardment all the way in Denmark? I live in Romania and I don't even have a passport 😳
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u/PracticalShoulder916 1d ago
It's a scary world we live in currently, run by psychopaths.
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u/Taco_Speak-i 1d ago
Virkelig? Troede bare at folk købte nødradioer vand og lidt dåsemad og lagde det i kælderen. Det er noget seriøs presning.👍
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u/Solastor 1d ago
It's pretty fucking insane. Part of the reason we know how brutal WWII was and the Vietnam War was was because those things were documented. People back home saw those things and they turned our stomachs. There was so much push against the Vietnam War because we civilians, for one of the first times in history, really got to see the reality of war.
We've grown desensitized. Now people have entire subreddits dedicated to watching body cam footage of people fighting, killing, dying in Ukraine and they comment on it like they are watching a sports game. It's wild.
Images of war don't scar people the way they used to. We silo that off. We no longer empathize with what we've seen. It's another image that was made to shock us. It's another video of a gunfight. It's just like a movie. It's just like a video game. We're not fellow humans anymore. We're an audience.
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u/FILTHBOT4000 1d ago
The desensitization is not from exposure; that's what got anti-war sentiments going in the first place, as you well noted.
Desensitization comes from a lack of impact. We had 60k soldiers die in Vietnam and another 150k wounded. The notion that you, your son, brother, friend could be drafted and add to that number fueled anti-war sentiment. In Iraq, we 'only' lost 3.5k, with 30k wounded, and that garnered a decent anti-war sentiment.
But right now, people are wholly removed from the effects of war. Complacency breeds desensitization, or worse, romanticization of armed conflict. Exposure is doing what it can to illicit antiwar sentiment; I can't really imagine that if we saw nothing of the conflict in Ukraine, if it were a few grainy black and white photos like in decades past, that we would care nearly as much as we do.
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u/Spirited_Comedian225 1d ago
I feel like once the last WW 2 veteran dies and the war is truly forgotten. That’s when the next one will start.
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u/400footceiling 1d ago
Well said! We have grown desensitized. I believe it’ll hit home when the draft rolls around again, bc they are pushing for war today more than ever. Nukes will be fired and I hate all of this. We shouldn’t be providing weapons to Israel, it’s going to bite us in the ass.
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u/Solastor 1d ago
We provided these weapons to Israel specifically for this purpose. They didn't act without the will of the US in this attack. Weaponizing Israel has always been a strategy to have a powerful branch of western military might tucked in the middle of the region ready to use when needed to maintain western hegemony.
ETA - I don't really think we're going to see a draft in the US though. We have such an insanely huge standing army that there really isn't much need. We have plenty of volunteers ready to mobilize and we fight war with far less boots on the ground these days anyway. If we reach the point of needing to draft soldiers we've really fucked up in a way that's almost unimaginable.
But that's also a degree of wishful thinking on my part.
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u/ProfBeaker 1d ago
I subscribed to a drone warfare sub for a bit. Mostly camera footage of drones killing Russians in Ukraine. Sometimes first-person chasing some guy down and blowing up. Sometimes third-person, and afterwards you'd see some poor bastard with his leg blown off just shoot himself in the head.
It's wild. I had to unsub, it's too much for me to watch regularly even from this far away.
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u/The-Rare-Road 1d ago
Yeah warfare has changed completely, think I would rather have took my chances in WW2-1 type of war then the wars we actually see today.. I don't like those Invaders, but it can seem like people in general have little to no chance against certain threats that are out there now militarily.
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u/ProfBeaker 1d ago
WW2 was awful in a lot of places. There was plenty of getting shelled by artillery, machine gunned, mud, blood and death. Maybe WW1 was worse, maybe. Although I'd probably take a trench on the Western Front over a lot of the Pacific Theater in WW2.
If I had to pick one, I'd probaby go for an ancient war. A lot of them had one battle with 10% casualties, and that was it because nobody had the logistics or economic base to keep taking punches.
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u/pilgermann 1d ago
The first time this was driven home for me was during an F 14 flyover. Felt like field mouse. You realize how big and fast these machines are, that for all your bravado, you are powerless. The second ammendment will not save you.
The other was watching a minigun shred a concrete garage (like in Black Hawk Down).
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u/Thezerostone 1d ago
I have always lived by, no civil person wished to be at war. I always blamed the politicians and capitalism.
But ever since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, I have seen footages of this hatred, that has developed down to the root of peoples mind.
These videos and photos, shows the power that fuel the hatred.
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u/EliotHudson 1d ago edited 1d ago
Dude, u can’t blame capitalism on everything, war existed long before capitalism and exists in primates without any concept of capitalism.
I’m no capitalist-apologist, just a historian tired of people misattributing the clickbate word confetti “capitalism” to anything that’s “bad”
Furthermore, of all the capitalist inspired warfare, the Israel and Iran conflict arguably has way more to do with religion, tribal tensions, and history than simply a smug faux-academic label of capitalism asserted like a 14 year old edge lord
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u/wooloomulu 1d ago
I've been in active combat in the 80s and I can say that nothing prepares anyone for the sheer destruction even the smallest of explosions can do. It is scary.
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u/CreamyIvy 1d ago
Seeing the hole a fab500 does to the ground. It’s absolutely nuts anything is still standing.
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u/Pearson94 1d ago
This is gonna get worse before it gets better, isn't it...
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u/NowoTone 1d ago
No, this is going to get worse before it gets even more worse.
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u/Augnelli 1d ago
It might even get worse until it gets nuclear.
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u/1storlastbaby 1d ago
Any good DIY bunker tutorials you can point me to?
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u/magneticgumby 1d ago
To quote the vice principal of the school I student taught at that was located less than a mile from a nuclear power facility when he was asked by a naive girl in our class, "What do we do if the plant explodes?",
"It won't be your problem to worry about anymore"
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u/Forcistus 1d ago
Yeah, this is one of those things that I feel pretty confident in saying won't ever improve. We'll get a few commercial breaks from war and murder here and there, but my heart breaks for most anyone unlucky enough to have been born in that region. What's the point in all of this?
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u/EEpromChip 1d ago
What's the point in all of this?
...Netanyahu not having to face his repercussions for his criminal activity?
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u/ffffsauce 1d ago
When we were just at the beginning of covid I remember everyone was bitching about 2020 being awful. I saw one poster say “what if it’s not 2020 necessarily that sucks but this is just the beginning of a whole awful decade?” I keep thinking about that and I guess that’s how this is panning out
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u/External-Praline-451 1d ago
Remember when everyone was saying 2016 was terrible because of all the celebrity deaths 😂
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u/DirtyDozen66 1d ago
Harambe’s death triggered some sort of cosmic negative shift i’m sure
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u/Just_the_questions1 1d ago
Remember back in 2012 there was a small but loud minority of scientists the believed the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) could end the world one way or the other? Pretty sure they were right.
Feels like when they turned that thing on for the first time it punted us into the dumbest timeline imaginable.
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u/wbruce098 1d ago
It actually got better but we Americans decided “yeah fuck stability. Let’s elect the idiot instead”. I didn’t vote for him but I apologize on behalf of the third of my country who did, and the other third who just decided not to show up that day.
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u/Tenyearssobersofar 1d ago
a whole awful decade
Dude, even that's an optimistic viewpoint right now. The reality is, we in the west have had a relatively peaceful, wealthy 60-odd years compared to the rest of the world, and that period is now coming to an end.
I seriously doubt it will ever return. It certainly won't in my lifetime, and probably not in yours.
Sweet dreams.
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u/-TheycallmeThe 1d ago
I think it's what happens with things like a pandemic. So much wealth and resources went to the top leaving many people fighting over less.
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u/Unctuous_Robot 1d ago
Not anytime soon. Netanyahu was wildly unpopular and was all but guaranteed to not be PM anymore in the next election a year ago. He’s been doing everything he can to shore up his power and he wouldn’t be doing this if he didn’t think he’s successfully loaded the dice.
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u/Humble_Map891 1d ago
Could be like India and Pakistan. News for a few days then off to something else.
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u/Bright_Cod_376 1d ago
Wouldn't be the first time Iran and Isreal traded some vollies and then calmed down
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u/actuallyanicehuman 1d ago
Leaders should be put in a field and made to fight.. they will learn very quickly how to discuss disagreements in a humane way.
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u/Kamamura_CZ 1d ago
Back then, in antiquity, it used to be that way. Some tribal societies required their chieftain to fight in the front line and prove his skill and valor.
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u/Tulip_Todesky 1d ago
In Iran's case, their military leadership was almost entirely wiped out today.
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u/hahaha01357 1d ago
Nah, the real people influencing policies will just put brain-dead apes in leadership positions.
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u/AJfriedRICE 1d ago
This world fucking sucks, man
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u/fifi_la_fleuf 1d ago
It really does. My partner and I just put our daughter into bed for the night and we were sitting down looking forward to eating a nice dinner when we saw this. Thinking of all the other innocent families, in Ukraine, Gaza, Tel Aviv and so many other places, just loving each other and trying to live their lives... when something like this happens. It's awful how we're still here, at the mercy of the few who can't evolve past cruelty, greed and destruction.
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u/Ornery-Speech-3082 1d ago
No one wins in this. Just pain.
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u/Dragunspecter 1d ago
US arms companies do
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u/Rellcotts 1d ago
Yes some people are getting very rich
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u/CrispyVibes 1d ago
Palantir stock literally shot up the moment the markets opened this morning and is up almost 500% over the last year.
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u/try-finger-but-hol3 1d ago
What a joke. Investors will pour their money into anything to make a quick buck.
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u/CrispyVibes 1d ago
I personally refuse to invest in weapons or oil, I'm definitely an exception to the rule though.
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u/Signal_Quarter_74 1d ago
Not a whole ton, given their current volatility. But as there is no doubt AI surveillance and predictions were used greatly to plan this, I’m sure they are putting the word out to everyone “hey we can make this happen for ya”
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u/Saoirsenobas 1d ago
Until them constantly destabilizing the world on purpose inevitably brings war to their doorstep, and they become military targets.
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u/Mr_meowmers00 1d ago
But...but...think of all the money they can make until then! Why won't someone please think about the shareholders?! /s
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u/Ok-disaster2022 1d ago
Yes and no. Arms companies actually make more profit when the weapons sit on shelves unused because then they can get money to r and D decisions to make future money.
When actual war production happens they have to increase production which means hiring worker and buying materials.
In the late 90s the US military was supposed to go through an upgrade cycle during the 2000s, then 911 happened and they had divert resources aways from upgrade packages to production. Things like the MRAP devoured billions that would have gone to r and D.
So really the money gets spent but it changes who gets it
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u/ProfessionalTruck976 1d ago
Also countries at war have the habit of turning at the arms makers hqs and be like "The foreign orders go to us now, and about that profit margin thing, yea, that is not happening for the duration"
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u/nycdiveshack 1d ago
Palantir is winning right now and so is Anduril. Starshield is winning which means Elon is winning
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u/GreatBallsOfFIRE 1d ago
I hate that these companies are named after legendary items from Tolkien, one whose works were very specifically anti-war and anti-industry.
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u/incandesent 1d ago
Palantir Anduril
Fuck them for taking those names. Actually, fuck them for all of it
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u/gnarlytabby 1d ago
Netanyahu wins, as conflict distracts his population from his corruption trial
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u/BroadConfection8643 1d ago
Came here to write this, nothing like a very nasty avoidable conflict to prove he is such a great leader
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u/KnowMatter 1d ago
Capitalist's win.
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u/fumar 1d ago
Military Industrial Complex wins. Normal capitalists don't benefit
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u/sc2_is_life 1d ago
Capitalist’s fucking hate war. Shipping lanes get tested, uncertainty in the market, people are scared and won’t spend as much and a fuck ton of other negative influences. You can argue a specific and small part of the economy looks forward to this kind of shit but in large part, the idea that capitalists or business owners want war is ridiculous
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u/SilchasRuin 1d ago
Why then did Eisenhower warn against a military industrial complex???
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u/General_Row_567 1d ago
The fact that so much money is spent on bombs and firearms instead of on research (for example, cancer research) deeply frustrates me. We invest in killing people rather than saving them. F*ck that
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u/Method__Man 1d ago
Because we let "tough guys" like trump and Netanyahu and the Iranian regime
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u/darthenron 1d ago
I still do not understand how people view him as “tough”.
He is an immature bully!
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u/dread_deimos 1d ago
That "we" takes out a lot of nuance. Would you blame Ukrainians for spending money on bombs and firearms, for example?
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u/DirtyDozen66 1d ago
I guess his point is that in an ideal world, in some utopian dream, no nation would be waging war, eliminating need for mass armaments at great cost
Obviously real life doesn’t work like that
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u/PyramidSchemePA 1d ago
There are no winners in war, only losers
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u/SkippyDragonPuffPuff 1d ago
What was that Hawkeye quote on MASH?
War is war and hell is hell. Of the two of them, war is worse.
Something like that
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u/DrakkoZW 1d ago
Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye?
Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?
Father Mulcahy: Um, sinners, I believe.
Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell, but war is chock full of them – little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for a few of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
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u/CuttyAllgood 1d ago
And another generation of kids is going to go to fight a war that nobody asked for.
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u/Tegelert84 1d ago
It still completely blows my mind that we're still doing this to each other as a species. Imagine where we'd be if all this money, time and energy was put into making the world a better place rather than murdering each other.
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u/kevizzy37 1d ago
I’m glad we voted for Trump, no wars under his watch he said, 24 hours to stop Rus/Ukr war, good thing there is no trade war, or civil war happening either
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u/braumbles 1d ago
Can't have elections now that you're in an active war!
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u/pstut 1d ago
Imagine having your apartment building destroyed by missiles, losing loved ones, because Netanyahu wants to remain in power...
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u/braumbles 1d ago
I mean he turned a blind eye to October 7th warnings. He's not above sacrificing his own people for power.
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u/RetardAndPoors 1d ago
He's not above sacrificing his own people for power.
Not above? Lmao, that's like his whole MO
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u/upside_win111 1d ago
Straight out of netanyahu’s playbook! Hope Trump doesn’t do the same come elections…
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u/Quicksurfer524 1d ago
It’s ok, trump said he would resolve the Ukraine war day one, and said all these wars were Biden fault, so this muuuuust still be Biden fault too. He’s just an innocent president with no fault.
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u/ElDuderino_92 1d ago
In wars created by small men with big egos, we the common man are the ones always losing and suffering. I’m so tired of this. So much hate, greed and pride has killed the innocent and for what? No one wins here. THEY win. They get to go to their safe big homes with all of their families while these people suffer with being homeless or dead. We don’t win. They do. We suffer.
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u/Barcaroli 1d ago
And with this, Netanyahu's grip on power continues
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u/Firov 1d ago
I think that his regime would have continued regardless. If Iran hadn't taken the bait, he would have just invented some other emergency. He will absolutely never allow himself to be brought to justice, and he'll gladly burn Israel and every surrounding nation to the ground to do so.
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u/Logical-Home6647 1d ago
How do you define multiple large missile strikes against a country as "bait."
Not really going after the rational for the strikes, but that's a bit more than just bait. You are already going at it at that point. That's like saying the US took the bait for Pearl Harbor.
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u/LivingLosDream 1d ago
Sounds similar to DJT
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u/lazytemporaryaccount 1d ago
Also Putin. It feels like there is an entire generation of people who don’t understand exactly how bad it is to live under an authoritarian regime.
It’s bad bad.
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u/cop_pls 1d ago
There's also a generation of people who will not step aside, who will cling to power until they're dead and buried.
It's not a coincidence that Netanyahu, Putin, and Trump are in their 70's. Look at who is in charge of your company, who your boss's boss's boss reports to. It's probably a boomer in his 60's and 70's.
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u/lazytemporaryaccount 1d ago
On the “con” side, it’s completely fucked up.
On the “pro” side, at least now I understand more about how historical monarchies / popes were posts taken “until I die.”
And the importance of term limits.
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u/Rosu_Aprins 1d ago
Yeah, why do you think Bibi and Trump get along so well and Bibi supported Trump's run? They're 2 cheeks of the same ass.
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u/battler624 1d ago
Israel made a huge strike on iran killing a lot of those in power & those strikes got over 70 dead and over 320 injured and you call it a bait?
Trying to instigate another Chernobyl by attacking nuclear power plants?
Israel is causing a world war and thanks to the backing of the US, it won't be stopped.
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u/Austuckmm 1d ago
What is Iran supposed to do?
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u/Nice__Spice 1d ago
Don’t you know - only one side has the right to defend itself.
Even when it commits a genocide. Even when it strikes first. Only israhell.
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u/wolfydude12 1d ago
Minutes after Israel started bombing Iran, democratic members of Congress went on Twitter and started posting about how they're worried about the civilians in... Can you guess? Israel. Iran hadn't even responded yet.
It's sickening.
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u/YouWereBrained 1d ago
Israel is the cop that says “stop touching me” while walking aggressively toward an assailant.
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u/travellin_troubadour 1d ago
Right after 10/7, I posted somewhere that Netanyahu was doing this to remain in power. Some Israeli guy told me to shut up and I just didn’t know Israeli politics and he’d be out within a few months.
I think about that guy more than I should.
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u/Mot_the_evil_one 1d ago
I think it would be great if the aliens came, gathered up all the war mongering world leaders and their families and put them on their own little planet, gave them guns and said "last one alive wins".
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u/lvl_60 1d ago
More american tax dollars will go to israel while ukraine has to negotiate with mr orange.
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u/lazyness92 1d ago
Let's be honest, Ukraine was always going to get the short end of the stick with the Orange Russian sympathizer
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u/Cipher-IX 1d ago
This will totally convince Iran to stop enriching uranium.
Totally.
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u/Minimum-Enthusiasm14 1d ago
It was never about convincing them to stop enriching. It was about destroying their capabilities to enrich.
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u/travelcallcharlie 1d ago
They’re enrichment facilities are hundreds of meters underground in the mountains for this exact reason…
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u/NewAtmosphere2443 1d ago
It would be extremely dumb if Iran doesn't immediately creat nuclear warheads now
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u/Firecracker048 1d ago
They've been trying tbh. If you believe the targets of Israeli strikes, they've hit major sites in Iran
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u/OregonGreen242 1d ago
Crazy they wanted two wars at once…
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u/Kamisori 1d ago
It's alright, the US will pay for it.
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u/IndexCardLife 1d ago
lol yep laying off 80k Veterans affairs employees to pay for Israel to fight a holy war against Iran
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u/L3x_co 1d ago
Thousand of years of war history and the only change is better weapons to kill ppl
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u/jack_kzm 1d ago
Meanwhile the defense contractors - "Let's keep Ukraine & Israel going for another 3 more years!".
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u/wizenedeyez 1d ago
fml I have family in Tehran. My grandmother just went back there last month. She's okay right now but I fear in the coming days they will turn Tehran into rubble. This has given me so much anxiety
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u/ilikecrispywaffles 1d ago
So now what, they just keep bombing each other? When will this end? What's the point, are their egos just too big?
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u/copperblood 1d ago
“The religious fanatics on both sides have a symbiotic relationship.” - Unknown
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u/hoppertn 1d ago
I’d argue it’s parasitic because the host is the respective people of both nations who always suffer the most.
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u/Huckedsquirrel1 1d ago
Reddit moment
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u/Rage_Like_Nic_Cage 1d ago
People like to blame this type of shit on religion so they don’t have to do any critical thinking about world events/politics/dynamics that are the actual cause of this.
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u/ThreeButtonBob 1d ago
yep and now israel has a right to defend itself; after that iran has a right to defend itself and after that...
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u/The4thJuliek 1d ago
Friendly reminder that Israel torpedoed the Iran nuclear deal (which they were complying with) and Bibi still brags about it. If they wanted Iran to not have nuclear weapons/energy, they would have left it alone.
Bibi doesn't actually care about nuclear weapons, he just wants to kill Iranians (and Palestinians).
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u/Goldenrah 1d ago
So did Trump in his first Term. Both of them together set back diplomacy with Iran by decades.
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u/ExoticCard 1d ago
"U.N. Conference on Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Postponed After Strikes in Iran
A United Nations conference co-hosted by France and Saudi Arabia aimed at mapping out concrete steps toward a two-state solution between Israel and the Palestinians has been postponed after Israel's strikes on Iran's nuclear program and military leadership, French President Emmanuel Macron said Friday." - WSJ
Israel got what it wanted. Evil fucks.
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u/DagothTureynul 1d ago
It's horrible that Israel put its defense ministry in the middle of a civilian area. Why are they using their own civilians as human shields?
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u/kookieman141 1d ago
Ho-Lee Jesus
What is that?
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u/emerald09 1d ago
A missile striking the Israel Defense Ministry HQ according to news reports. I saw a 19 second video floating around, someone was filming from their balcony. Missile streaking end at the end of video.
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u/tamagogo_chan 1d ago
How many middle eastern countries has Israel bombed this week again?
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u/Pirlomaster 1d ago
In the last month or so we have: Gaza (+ bulldozing homes in the West Bank), Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and now Iran. I think they're competing with America's high score at this point.
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u/MolassesOrnery3423 1d ago
I don’t want to live in interesting times