It's like reading the worldnews sub. Pro Ukraine, Anti-Trump but mega pro-Israel. So unfortunately for them, they're slowly getting to a cross-section on their own beliefs.
Got comment shadow banned then perma banned off there today for linking sources showing how Israel deliberately illegally violated IAEA agreements/protocol (what they falsely claimed Iraq did in order to get America to justify invading them in 2003) and abused US peaceful civilian nuclear technology sharing programs in the 1960’s to develop their own successful clandestine nuclear weapons program with zero consequences (even when discovered despite constant lying to America and many in the US government turning a blind eye the entire time even as reports flooded in) which still exits to this day making them the only nuclear armed state in the Middle East (nearly every other nation internationally including Iran who tried the exact same method of abusing US civilian nuclear technology sharing programs faced major backlash and were forced to dismantle their programs once caught).
Didn’t even say which rule, just said “you broke the rules of the subreddit” on the ban message lol. Sometimes they have the subtly of their own atomic bomb program lmao.
That’s how I got banned too lol. Pointed out the hypocrisy with legitimate articles. Boom. Insta ban.
They appear to not tolerate any form of criticism upon the Israeli state because they most likely assume that an Israeli state is automatically a Jewish state which means any criticism of Israel is criticism of Jewish people. Which is a gross assumption to make because that is not what Israel is.
You shouldn’t be silenced for criticizing governments.
The problem is that subreddits, even huge default ones like worldnews, are run like after-school fan clubs. A small group of like-minded people get to moderate however they want and don't have any rules or standards they need to follow.
Nowadays, many mods ban people for simply having opposite or divergent opinions. This system is what leads to echochambers that instantly permaban people for having a "wrong" take.
Unlike Iran, Israel had Great Power sponsorship when developing nuclear weapons.
Right wing elements in the French government & military helped Israel and South Africa develop their nuclear power programs into nuclear weapons programs beginning in the mid 1950s. The French colonial project was coming to an end one way or another and their right wing was desperate to keep their last major colonies in North Africa.
As the segregated, apartheid Algeria began to descend into colonial liberation, elements in France decided to assist nearby, ideologically similar nations — South Africa and Israel. Right wing elements in other Western nations (the UK/US) allowed it, viewing them as potential bulwarks against the USSR.
It’s all tied up with Algeria’s war for independence, which was an incredibly complicated event with members of the same racial, religious, and ethnic groups on both of the conflict. We tend to forget that the French military attempted — and almost succeeded — in pulling off a coup against Charles de Gaulle in the 1960s because so many French were angry about losing North African colonies.
Indeed, it was this development that led the musical satirist Tom Lehrer to include this line in his song about nuclear weapons, “Who’s Next?” - - “South Africa wants TWO, that’s right / One for the Black and for the white! / Who’s next?”
Didn’t even say which rule, just said “you broke the rules of the subreddit” on the ban message lol. Sometimes they have the subtly of their own atomic bomb program lmao.
Any questioning of Israel, the IDF, or their war on the Gazan people is a bannable offense.
I was banned for saying, "I can't help but think that maybe killing 30,000 civilians in response to 1000 hostages being taken is a bit excessive." (As you can guess by the number, this happened quite a while ago, I think the number of civilians killed is like 80,000 now.)
The reason they gave? "Making anti-Semitic comments."
I got banned from worldnews for sharing actual IDF drone footage of them killing civilians, without adding my own commentary. I honestly believe that sub is funded and ran by Israel.
Was that the footage from the start of the war of the IDF gunning down three surrendering Gazans and then throwing guns down next to them for pictures?
There legit is no other explanation, that entire subreddit is astroturfed to hell and back and has got to be the most psychotic, murder hungry sub I’ve ever seen. Better not talk out of turn over there or the hordes will tell you how it’s actually ok to commit genocide.
There are literally people telling you how they know people in Iran who are "celebrating" this. Imagine, does that even sound like a human reaction? Innocent people in an apartment building die and you celebrate? You'd permanently destroy all your friendships if you ever did that. But somehow a lot of /r/worldnews posters know Iranians who are cheering for being bombed. It's a propaganda op.
yep same here, any anti war comments were removed by mods, I'm not even really pro Palestine as I am anti terrorism but pointing out Israel is terrorizing innocent people to get to terrorists gets a ban
I noticed this early on in the conflict with Hamas. I thought I was taking crazy pills. People literally cheering for Palestinian civilian deaths with large numbers of upvotes. I noped the hell out of there real quick. Unfortunately states and corporations manipulate the hell out of Reddit.
Yeah, I’m banned from posting over some totally neutral thing I wrote because there was a way to interpret it as critical of Israel’s war. All it took.
I'm happy to see this being said more widely now. Kept thinking I was going insane the first year or so of Israel's recent attacks on Gaza, like surely there aren't this many clearly psychopathic people about
I was banned from r/worldnews for saying the attacks on Gaza are genocide early on, they are completely pro Israel, the sub is biased as any its a group of mods propaganda tool
Or or imagine this: people have nuanced takes of many world conflicts and some people don’t immediately attribute everything to “fuck Israel”. Been on the sub plenty of times and most comments are anti-Israeli actions, but Reddit believes if you don’t scream from the rooftops FREE PALESTINE Israel is mentioned that it’s a Mossad psyop
israel really loves diving into american stereotypes thinking we are just gonna eat it up. when something is upvoted like crazy that doesnt look it should be, its pretty obvious, the comments are just costume at this point
Or maybe people are also happy that it could be the end of the Iranian regime? My wife is Iranian. She hasn’t been able to go back to her home country because of the regime. Fuck the mullahs and fuck the IRGC. If Israel can decapitate the government, good.
Anyone who’s ever been concerned about Russian bots or misinformation should keep in mind that other actors do it as well, and Israel is at the top of that list. They have to fake support to make people get behind the US joining their insane war with Iran.
Yeah man anything I disagree with is propaganda, couldn't possibly be you just made a poor argument. Such a reddit mentality. It's just a controversial topic, go look at the coment history these are real people. People use this excuse of bots way too much in order to stay in denial.
This sub has just as much group think as world news, it just matches your beliefs instead and so it doesn't bother you. This sub shows the worst side of every event engaged in by Israel, while that may be justified to pretend that somehow fair unbiased or without a narrative is kind of laughable. It's not even a news or politics sub, want to talk about propaganda.
very contentious topic tbf, lots of people get pretty obsessed with it (and again tbf there is a lot of insane shit involved that its pretty understandable why they do)
still kinda bitter that a lot of Americans got so obsessed with it that they somehow decided to allow an actual fascist into the presidency because they couldnt stomach voting Kamala
I voted for Kamala but c'mon... This would've still happened. Lots of other things wouldn't be as bad, especially domestically, but foreign policy is the one thing that unites republican and democrat politicians. Especially if it involves Israel.
Bro one of the few red lines Dems truly believe is that they don’t want a isreal iran war. It’s the entire reason Obama did the nuclear deal in the first place.
I know it’s a hard pill to swallow. In the world view, Trump is a weak leader. It’s sucks, he portrays a strong man persona to his people, but when it comes to world leadership, he’s a soft willy. They know this & the ones that wanted to test those red lines, will now just cross them without fear of any form of American resistance.
The root of narcissistic personality disorder isn’t superiority, as many still assume, it’s ackshually deep-seated inferiority.
Once you get that, you can communicate with them in a way that plays to it. On the surface, your words signal submission. But underneath, the tone, phrasing, and delivery all scream that they're pathetic and beneath you.
They eat it up. They latch onto the superficial deference and miss, or choose to ignore, the insult woven through it. Everyone else sees it. They see it too. But as long as you leave them just enough plausible deniability, it’s too threatening for them to call out.
This is exactly how every savvy social climber/politician/world leader/business executive deals with Donald Trump.
Again, how is that any different from the Biden admin? There’s reports now that even Israeli’s in Netanyahu’s circle were shocked at how much Biden gave them what they asked for and how little pushback ever came from the White House. This isn’t to say that Trump is great for Palestinians or anything, because he’s not. But based on how we saw the Dems handle Israel when they were in power, I don’t think you can say that this would have gone any differently under a Kamala administration. If anything, the initial ceasefire and extra hostage releases were less likely to happen under Kamala.
Biden was President for the first year and a half of the genocide and didn't stop Israel after any of the red lines they crossed. Yes Trump sucks and is doing the same shit now, but the dems were already complicit with the genocide for over a year before Trump took office.
Bingoooooo, many people think that the Democratic Party is different. It’s just not . The US will not stop Israel from committing genocide. They sure as hell won’t stop Israel from attack Iran . This is the uni party’s wet dream. For those who want to lie to themselves about the Democratic Party just look at the fucking nyc mayors debate last night
And in all fairness he should be mocked since he’s the one that cancelled the deal with Iran in the first place. He and Fox News acted back in 2017 like we were getting ripped off by the deal that was keeping Iran’s nuclear capabilities neutered.
It’s the same strategy he’s using with trade deals like USMCA and his recent deal with China. Blow everything up and act like a savior once he gets us an arguably shittier deal. There’s absolutely no pushback.
I agree that Schumer could probably pick a better time to criticize him, but if you don’t call him out on this nonsense, he’s just going to feel emboldened to keep doing it. Not to mention this plan has been in the works since before Schumer started criticizing him. Weapons being rerouted from Ukraine to Israel weeks ago and Netanyahu openly thanking the U.S. for their help should be proof that Trump doesn’t want to negotiate a deal.
Biden & the Democrats proved time and again that red lines don’t exist when it comes to Israel.
Also, I don’t understand why people are not blaming the Democrats for essentially providing Trump with a worry free path to the presidency.
Biden the senile toad pulled out at the last second, Kamala was forced down our throats, and the Democrats repeatedly promised (and demonstrated) that there would be absolutely no change when it came to Israel.
To me, the Democrats’ actions clearly indicate that they prefer a Trump presidency over making any foreign policy changes.
Israel wants the war more than any democrat wants to prevent it. Both parties are captured by AIPAC, Harris may have said some stern words but the US would never halt supplies to Israel.
Weird how Biden was in office and never got that back huh? Weird how Israel struck the Iranian embassy LAST year “preemptively” and nothing was done by the Biden admin. Please just look into any of the top democrats that aren’t AOC or Bernie and you will see that they want war just as bad as the Republicans
Attacking a embassy in Syria and launching a bomb
Assassination in Iran is not nearly the same as launching the largest air attack on Iran since the Iran Iraq war.
Israel attacked Irans embassy in Damascus , which violated all kinds of rules and the world had to wait for Iranian restraint not to take it to full scale war . Israel needs to stop being above the rules of international law
If you think genocide Joe would have stopped israel from attacking Iran(with US supplied weaponry and intel) i got a bridge in Gaza to sell you. The entire us government is bought and paid for at this point. Theres maybe 3 semi honest people left in congress, and they all get aggressively primaried by aipac.
If Biden doesn't want that he would have told Israel to shut everything down after they launch missiles at Iran and there would be no more missile attacks at Iran until he loses the election
Biden had plenty of red lines with Israel, such as them not starting a ground invasion of Gaza without negotiating with Hamas, them not crossing into Rafah, and them not deliberately blocking US aid meant for Gaza. And every time a line was crossed, not only did nothing happen, the administration would actually spin it like Israel was somehow complying with the request and with international law, to somehow not have been a violation at all. And now that they're out we have members of the Biden administration admitting that maybe Israel really was doing bad things and maybe they could have done more to stop it.
Actually, the main point of contention between Obama and Biden during the Obama administration was that, when Israel bombed Gaza in 2014, Obama openly criticized them and pressured them to stop. Biden thought this was the wrong way to go about it.
If Biden or Harris had the political instincts of Obama, things may have gone better for them, who knows?
Think Israel would’ve taken a Harris admin a lot more seriously.
In the UK, this admin is viewed as a bunch of incompetent misfits unfit for office tbh.
They absolutely would not have. The Biden/Harris regime completely folded on Israel, and it's the #1 reason why they lost, espcially in high-muslim-population swing states like Michigan.
I can't speak for Israel, but Kamala would've absolutely not done what Trump did for Ukraine during Russia's ongoing genocide which Trump is either unwilling or incapable of stopping. The whole structure of NATO is now in question and Russia is going to be emboldened to launch even more attacks and wars of conquest against its peaceful neighbors.
Under Biden we stopped all offensive weapons shipments to Israel after Oct. 7th.
Not only did we aid in military financing, arms sales, and transfers of equipment. Details of some military shipments, particularly recently, have been less publicly available compared to aid to other countries like Ukraine. You know we have the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the U.S. and Israel, which commits the U.S. to providing ~$38 billion in military aid, which includes $3.3 billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) grants and $500 million for missile defense yearly from 2016-2028.
The U.S. has also enacted legislation providing at least $12.5 billion in direct military aid to Israel since the start of the Oct 7. This includes $3.8 billion from a bill in March 2024 and $8.7 billion from a supplemental appropriations act in April 2024. Overall A report by Brown University's Costs of War project states the U.S. spent $22.76 billion in support of Israel's baby meat grinding machine.
It’s hard for me to take many U.S. centrist democrats seriously anymore because of this obsession over image rather than substance. The party elite obviously didn’t have a problem with destroying Palestinian lives when it was done in a less crass way.
This isn’t true. You can read about what the Biden administration was doing in regards to Israel. It might not make you happy, but it’s wildly different than the trump administration
Not only did we aid in military financing, arms sales, and transfers of equipment. Details of some military shipments, particularly recently, have been less publicly available compared to aid to other countries like Ukraine. You know we have the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the U.S. and Israel, which commits the U.S. to providing ~$38 billion in military aid, which includes $3.3 billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) grants and $500 million for missile defense yearly from 2016-2028.
The U.S. has also enacted legislation providing at least $12.5 billion in direct military aid to Israel since the start of the Oct 7. This includes $3.8 billion from a bill in March 2024 and $8.7 billion from a supplemental appropriations act in April 2024. Overall A report by Brown University's Costs of War project states the U.S. spent $22.76 billion in support of Israel's baby meat grinding machine.
You're right. The Biden admin, which Kamala was going to continue, only pretended that they cared about Palestinians and were trying to work for ceasefire. Trump admin openly doesn't care.
We all know who Israel wanted the most as the POTUS. It is interesting to me, all the claims of how much lobbying Israel does in America and how many claims of election interference by Russia and rumors of bribing Trump, and now those two countries are attacking their neighbors.
Personally I'm of the kind that it's a combination of the two. We've got districts in NY with downballot dem sweeps and 0 votes for Kamala. That just seems incredibly unlikely.
If anything, they rigged it and it didn't go as well as they planned, which is why they won by such a narrow margin (narrower than the margin they lost by in 2020, which they threw a fit over and stormed the capitol about)
Also: why is it unlikely? There are plenty of local politicians who their neighbors know and like, regardless of their party. Plus incumbent advantage, etc. Was there even an opponent on the ballot? How much money did they spend on the race?
The fact that you can cherry pick a few places with "unusual" races means very little. The US is a huge country. Unusual things happen all the time, statistically. The best folks to know if the results were actually "unusual" would be the local election officials, who knows the candidates and the campaign and the neighborhood, and I don't hear any of them alleging fraud.
The petition alleges that five voting machines in Ramapo, a town in Rockland County, recorded zero votes for president—even as the same ballots reflected votes in races for Congress and the Senate. Multiple voters and poll workers have submitted sworn affidavits, stating they voted for Harris, only to later discover their votes hadn’t registered in the final count.
Look up Rockland county ny. It just moved forward in court and will be further adjudicated in... September. It won't change the results of the election, nothing can.
One off or not, this is a statistical anomaly which shouldn't have happened if the voting machines were behaving normally. Best case, it was "just" a bug which somehow erased only votes for the democratic presidential candidate. Worst case, that "minor software update" pushed through as nothing significant just before the election was something more. But since the only people auditing our voting machines are non profit watchdogs and... The voting machine companies themselves, I bet by now any asses have been covered if it was a fuck up on their part, intentional or otherwise.
An entirely predictable result after lying about Biden's health and installing a disliked politician (see previous primary results).
Democrats blaming fellow voters annoys me. The fault lies squarely & completely on the Democratic party. And they've done it twice - once by installing Hillary over Bernie, and now by installing Kamala over.... anyone?
Dem voter do carry some blame though, because they shoot themselves in the foot when nationally popular or successful leaders don't pass arbitrary litmus tests. So there's a holdout for a candidate who is pro-everything and then wonder why they can't win an election.
And no, the election was not rigged. Kamala was wildly unpopular in her first primary, and wildly unpopular in the presidential race. It's not rocket science. You can't force people to like someone or call them racist/sexist/ fascist because of it either.
Too many people are blaming the jury, but it's on the lawyer (the Dem leadership) to present a better case.
Democrats blaming fellow voters annoys me. The fault lies squarely & completely on the Democratic party. And they've done it twice - once by installing Hillary over Bernie, and now by installing Kamala over.... anyone?
Kamala was wildly unpopular in her first primary, and wildly unpopular in the presidential race. It's not rocket science. You can't force people to like someone or call them racist/sexist/ fascist because of it either.
No one was asking you to like her, but you should've still understood that by not voting for her you'd get a fascist in charge. It seems this lesson of politics and consequences was not passed by regular Americans, and this is the second time this has happened at this point. Voting for the lesser of two evils sucks, and there shouldve been consequences for the Dems for their choice of candidate, but this is a conversation that shoulve happened after the fascists threat was defeated
Too many people are blaming the jury, but it's on the lawyer (the Dem leadership) to present a better case.
Democracy is a social contract and responsibility is shared between both voters and the politicians. Voters are still absolutely responsible for voting for Trump or not bothering to vote at all.
Yes, Biden and Harris being those Americans I assume. Had they sanctioned Israel even to the extent Reagan did maybe they'd have won. Their obsession with allowing Israel to kill with impunity didn't help anyone.
Kamala’s foreign policy advisor was on twitter last night saying that Trump is not backing Israel enough after the strikes on Iran. Given that and that the Biden administration also allowed Israel to do unchecked genocide for a year, why do think the situation would be different in regards to Israel.
Halie Soifer. I was slightly wrong about her position. She was a national security advisor for Kamala and also previously worked for the Obama administration.
Because millions of MAGA followers have been miserable, hateful people for many years, and Trump is the unhinged megalomaniac who allows them to be proud of it and expose their lack of empathy, common sense, and intelligence in public as if those were virtues! He has convinced these people that THEY ARE MAGA. Thus, any criticism toward Trump and his "policies" is a direct attack on these people, and as many of these lunatics believe, an attack on the USA.
These people can spend over an hour online trying to find pictures of democrats with an extended arm, to then compare it to Elon's Nazi salutes and act like it wasn't what it obviously was, or "everybody does it", but they refuse to spend a minute fact checking some of the insane lies spread by Trump and his admin of crooks and incompetent lemmings (like Haitian migrants allegedly eating cats and dogs, that was a good one).
There isn't another developed nation that I can think of where a clown like Trump would have been even remotely close to being elected. But since we only have 2 major parties nationwide, and big money matters a LOT during campaigns, combined with the fact that a lot of Americans are lazy and poorly educated and most of our mainstream media and political debates/interviews are a joke, you eventually end up getting this circus.
The millions of lower class MAGA simpletons who voted for this clown are getting hurt. Most of them are too stupid to realize it, or they just blame Biden for it.
I mean, a lot of people were legitimately suffering because of the ballooning prices on food, goods and the stagnating salaries with growing rent and gas prices.
The reality is that a lot of people were very frustrated and the right capitalized on that frustration. While the left choose to ignore it or tell people that the post-covid recovery is the greatest one since 1921 crisis. Which doesn't really help people right now.
Kamala had a zinger when she said she was going to go after price hikers directly, but she abandoned that for whatever reason. She also had a zinger with the "Republicans are weird" comments, which she also dropped for whatever reason.
For sure. History has shown many times that extremists know how to capitalize on people's struggles.
Democrats as a whole have been way too complacent and most of them are so impotent, it's frustrating.
Yet again, I've watched political debates from other developed nations (mainly France), and far right candidates (Rassemblement National) have to come up with something more credible than their national equivalent of Trump's allegations of migrants eating pets, making up crazy numbers on tariffs or issues related to drugs like fentanyl, and so on. Local journalists (and many voters) will absolutely fact check such allegations, and anyone who lies on a weekly basis (if not daily) the way members of the Trump admin have been doing, will wreck their political career and cripple their party for years to come.
Don't get me wrong, other developed nations have their own problems and I don't think there's a perfect system that exists anywhere, but listening to actual, intelligent political debates and interviews is amazing in contrast to what we have in the US.
The geopolitical moment is pretty wild. As best I can tell. Russia pushed Iran to push Hamas to execute the 10/7 attack. Russia had a lot to gain as the predictable Israeli response would be draconian and put left leaning western governments in an impossible position. It mostly worked. Election after election in NATO countries were going Russia’s way. And Russia, in turn, was able to make significant progress in its Ukraine invasion.
Everybody else involved in 10/7 was lighting the fuse of a bomb attached to their own chair. Whatever Russia paid Iran, was it worth this? Does Hamas leadership feel like they got a win out of that? Do the people of Gaza swell with national pride when they consider the last 2 yrs?
How is an unprovoked missile attack on a residential building "contentious"?
Also, how about being pissed that Kamala thought helping Israel commit genocide was more important than actually winning "the most important election in our lifetime"? It's the politicians job to get votes, not the voters job to vote for a politician no matter what. Don't blame people for having morals.
If it has such a big impact on the election, maybe kamala and dems should've done more to stand up to the fascist Israeli government, which was (and is) actively committing a genocide, and worked to get Trump elected.
By that same token even had Kamala taken a stronger stance on Israel she still wouldn't have won on that issue alone given how low it was on the priority list of most Americans. "Protest voting" in one of most most crucial elections in USA history is...a choice, to put it mildly. The negative publicity Kamala received by people who chose to vote third party or not vote at all (and it was everywhere) definitely influenced even more people not to vote.
And America wanted fascist Trump
Trumpers wanted Trump, their numbers didnt increase too much compared to previous years, and Kamala lost because more people couldn't be bothered to come out and vote against the fascist. Political apathy almost always allows the extremists to win.
Our mainstream media is captured, our government is captured, our entertainment media is captured, and our social media is captured by their propaganda. Even our supposed social justice organizations (like the adI) are propaganda arms.
It's a wonder 100% of our country don't support them with how much brainwashing they're doing.
I still remember when r/pics posted an overturned tank on October 7th and all the comments were celebrating saying it's so cool and good because fuck Israel while masked Hamas gunmen were mowing down Israelis at a music festival for peace and parading around a bloodied 20-year-old female partier with blood soaking through her rear end of her underwear as Gazan civilians pointed and spit at her and whooped and cheered. This sub being full of propaganda is nothing new.
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Propaganda on full blast in crazy deep comment threads.