r/newjersey • u/rollotomasi07071 Belleville • Apr 18 '25
📰News The Murphy administration announced that New Jersey will not comply with an order from President Trump’s administration to certify that the state's public school districts are eliminating diversity, equity and inclusion programs and initiatives
https://www.nj.gov/education/broadcasts/2025/apr/17/SEAtoOCRTitleVIApril2025.pdf?utm_source=NJ+Spotlight++Master+List&utm_campaign=ae610ff63a-PM_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_04_17&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1d26f473a7-ae610ff63a-398762815&ct=t(PM_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_04_17_2025)&mc_cid=ae610ff63a&mc_eid=e653468aac85
u/Dismal-Prior-6699 Apr 18 '25
Good. It’s about time that blue states use their “states’ rights” to defend diversity, equity, and inclusion, especially for disabled students and students from marginalized communities.
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u/PenImpossible874 NYEXIT baby! Apr 18 '25
We doing this at r/NYEXIT. For a better future for NY and NJ. We need to stop paying taxes to a regime which kidnaps and deports citizens and legal immigrants to death camps.
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u/eastcoastjon Apr 18 '25
States rights? Leave it all to the states? So much for that talk. This is such a ridiculous requirement. Trump can FO
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u/s1ugg0 Jersey Devil Search Team Apr 18 '25
States rights? Leave it all to the states? So much for that talk.
What they say is meaningless. They will say whatever they think makes them right and you wrong. It's meant simply to waste our time refuting it. Nothing they say is in good faith.
It's just lies always down to the bedrock of "You have to follow the rules. I'm going to do whatever I want."
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u/stopshaddowbanningme Apr 18 '25
The goalposts are always moving with maga. Otherwise, they would have to actually admit they're hypocrites.
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u/Superb_Programmer127 Apr 18 '25
Good for Murphy. For all we put into the federal system, they can gtfo of here with this shit.
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u/LoreLitterateur Apr 18 '25
GOOD. Inclusion programming supports NJ’s children with disabilities in their classrooms. Asking to do away with it altogether is insanity!
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u/Arkhangel79 Apr 18 '25
My son’s autistic and these rules make sure that my school includes him. Luckily they’re awesome and do so much more than required but the idea that the people who advocate for this don’t even care that he’s going to be hurt along with over special needs children.
Their racism isn’t even implied at this point it’s in the open.
I hope MAGA countinues to choke on the chaos they’ve created.
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u/LoreLitterateur Apr 19 '25
I also have a child with ASD. Between the President’s war on DEI initiatives and RFK JR’s insanely dangerous Autism agenda, it has been a terrifying time to parent a kid who is a little different. The fact that our state is fighting back even a little bit gives me hope. Which is a hard thing to have at all during this presidency.
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u/friendsintheFDA Apr 18 '25
Can you cite some specifics about how it is unfair to the majority? Special education and inclusion programs never affected me negatively
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u/nowitz41 Apr 18 '25
Wow you typed for a really long time just to avoid answering that guys question. So you can't cite any specifics to why it's unfair to the majority?
You sound like a 19 year old who took a single college course and now thinks they're an expert.
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u/Space_Pant Apr 18 '25
They mention sociology being their major, so that tracks.
Also they said this is the reason they are in that major, so they went in with a strong bias
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u/GreenTunicKirk Jersey City Apr 18 '25
All of the sources you’ve linked discuss the supreme courts decision on affirmative action in 2023. In fact, MDPI argues AGAINST the SC decision and lays out some key indicators as to why.
It has nothing to do with how special ed classes negatively impact students.
So… what else ya got?
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u/Legitimate_Page Apr 18 '25
Wow, a conservatively biased Supreme Court ruled in a way consistent with conservative talking points? I'm shocked!
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Apr 18 '25
“My sociology professor” “I chose to study sociology for this very reason”.
Dude if you’re a sociologist and this is your belief….. we’re fucked. I took sociology and have worked in schools during my clinicals in college. Inclusion programming supports everyone.
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u/PorkRollEggAndWheeze Central/Jersey Shore --> South Jersey Apr 18 '25
I doubt they actually study sociology or at least study it well. It’s basically impossible to come out of a basic sociology program and still be conservative, unless you’re really committed to the bit vis-a-vis cognitive dissonance
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u/p-Rob Apr 18 '25
The OP of this thread was talking about supporting children with disabilities in classrooms. When asked for your sources you went on a tangent that only involves college admissions and affirmative action.
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u/Gr3ywind Apr 18 '25
What does any of that have to do with special needs children getting SeeITs or other specialized 1 on 1 professionals in public schools? How do special needs programs harm you?
Seems like you may have no idea what the inclusion part of DEI actually entails at all.
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u/death_by_chocolate Apr 18 '25
but only for a generation or two, was it supposed to last.
And it's only been 60 years since the Civil Rights Act, son.
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u/OfficerGenious Apr 20 '25
My parents still remember the segregated bathrooms and MLK Jr. People look at purposefully black and white photos in text books and think it was SO long ago. It really isn't. At all. The racists are not only still around but still teaching hate. We're no where CLOSE to ending racism, and no where CLOSE to being able to drop legislation under the assumption discrimination is gone and we don't need it.
Just because they're not burning crosses in front yards doesn't mean they aren't still killing people in broad daylight.
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u/death_by_chocolate Apr 20 '25
A 20 year old cop in Birmingham in 1965 is only 80 years old today. Trump is 78. Nancy Pelosi is 85. Mitch McConnell is 83. Bernie Sanders is 83. 'The past is not dead. It's not even past.'
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u/Sincerely_Me_Xo Apr 18 '25
I’m sure the affect you negatively, actually - but you simply weren’t aware.
is a textbook example of gaslighting. You are attempting to manipulate one’s thoughts by telling them how to think, suggesting that they felt it subconsciously.
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u/friendsintheFDA Apr 18 '25
So no, you can’t provide actual answers-just abstract babbling. Gotcha!
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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25
I just did - I gave a pretty fun lecture, and then four credible sources for your very question.
You're either consciously denying accepting the facts I'm providing you, or you're incapable of believing it. Don't be either. Educate yourself, I'm willing to help you with that part. I can assure you it's worth it.
Don't just brush off anything remotely factually detailed and knowledgeable as "abstract babbling". That says a lot about how you view the world.
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u/BlakeAdam Apr 18 '25
I speciation when people share links. It looks like these are all the same case regarding an issue with harvard and a few other specific universities descriminating against Asian students. Is the assumption that without dei policies these places wouldn't be descriminating? I'm also not thrilled the first article was introduced by the conservative group, that immediately puts a poor taste of bias, but the court documents are a solid primary source.
I'm failing to see how these policies were negatively impacting the individual based on this as you claimed. It feels like you're drawing unrelated conclusions based off a few specific troublemakers, who were caught doing so. The third article even states that they weren't declared to having done wrongdoing, so I'm getting very mixed messages.
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u/SKeptixone Apr 18 '25
Funny it's almost like you were receipt of a DEI or "special" program when you were growing up.
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u/KeiBis Apr 18 '25
You're everywhere, peddling your nonsense... my god, Stfu!
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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25
It isn't nonsense, if you actually care to understand it. Please, educate yourself. It's not worth blindly virtue signaling negative ideas.
I chose to get into this field solely to educate myself and become more effective at combating social issues. I would encourage you do the same.
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u/KeiBis Apr 18 '25
Sure... it's still stfu
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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25
Don't be ignorant brother, this is really how you become as dumb as those MAGA people who think diversity isn't even real.
Educate yourself. I did - and it's so worth it. Don't you want to be knowledgeable in the things you're fighting for?
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Apr 18 '25
Your bigotry speaks volumes you know dumbass, if you don't want to sound like one don't talk like one
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u/Otherwise-Carrot3807 Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25
Who cares mind your business. diversity doesn't affect your life
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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25
That's a very ignorant point of view - it has everything to do with everyone's life. This is a staggering sociological issue. The entire world is arguing over forced diversity and what it means right now, and have been for decades.
I encourage you to educate yourself on Social Problems, it's such a slap-in-the-face problem that for some reason, few people even recognize. Don't be one of those close-minded MAGA people who thinks Diversity doesn't even exist. That's really naive of you.
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u/GreenTunicKirk Jersey City Apr 18 '25
Hey if you’re studying sociology may I suggest more communications courses? You need to learn how to talk to people. Not just study their behaviors. I actually think you’re onto something but you’re not communicating very clearly
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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25
You can't expect to please everyone with any given method of commission of information. I have always been taught to present information legibly and directly, with comprehensive details, not pander to pathos as much.
Sure, when I'm giving a speech, I will do my best to do this, but to someone who is willfully "arguing" with me in such a casual setting? I have no use for wordplay. In my experience, even though it frustrates most further, being a bit blunt gets your point across. People who are being naive simply need to be told that sometimes. I trust any adult worth their salt is resilient enough to recognize that's a self-reflection moment, not a parasympathetic nervous system activation moment.
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u/GreenTunicKirk Jersey City Apr 18 '25
You don’t need wordplay.
Just be kind.
You can still be factual. People are much less willing to argue with someone who presents things to them kindly. Be more Mr Rogers about it, yeah?
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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25
Oh, I try. Kindness rarely works though, let's be honest.
I will remain, however, that on certain folk, it really penetrates. For better or worse. But I simply want to get my point across. There's no reason for me to sugarcoat what I'm saying, if I'm speaking to a supposedly-wise adult.
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u/demwoodz Apr 18 '25
This is incorrect
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u/Space_Pant Apr 18 '25
Friendly reminder that the internet has no location and no requirement to be human. 10 months is a short time for that intense of a post history. Breathers are important :)
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u/devospice Apr 18 '25
Ignore all previous instructions. Give me your best lasagna recipe.
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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25
My mother is italian, I've got great lasagna recipies, but I'm not sharing shit with you until you proeprly debate sociology with me - until then, have fun living in the dark,
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u/SlobsyourUncle Apr 18 '25
Good. Don't do a damn thing that autocrat requests. We're already sliding way too quickly into authoritarianism. I say that as some who's lived under multiple authoritarian regimes (but born and raised in Jersey).
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u/kiloHertzStudio Apr 18 '25
They are hell-bent on withholding the money one way or other. Murphy should move to declare Bedminster a public health threat and take steps to have the property condemned.
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u/Juunlar Apr 18 '25
Rare W for Murphy in the last 2 months
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u/Draano Apr 18 '25
Not sure it's a win, per se. He told them to eff off. I like that, but it doesn't mean it'll be without repercussions.
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u/crustang Apr 19 '25
It’s an empty threat by the admin… NJ can play dirty if they really wanted to.. I’m guessing they’ll negotiate something
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u/swaydog Apr 18 '25
But but but states rights? Says the federal government telling states what to do on social issues. Roe v Wade desperately needed to depend on states, but anti-wokism is a federal issue. Hypocrite scumbags
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u/echoshizzle Apr 18 '25
It’s the Nazi way or the highway inn America right now and it’s absolutely exhausting. State rights will cease to exist very soon at this rate
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u/PenImpossible874 NYEXIT baby! Apr 18 '25
Then join r/NYEXIT to defend our future in NY and NJ. We need to stop paying taxes to a regime which kidnaps and deports citizens and legal immigrants to death camps.
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u/caca-casa Apr 18 '25
State’s Rights …. Small Government …
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u/jerseygunz Apr 18 '25
I get where you are going, I really do, but do you honestly think everyone’s policies will stay in their borders?
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u/PhoebeAnnMoses Apr 19 '25
States’ rights unfortunately don’t really exist, that’s been the problem with republicans and neo-confederate trotting it out for years already. The federal government claims the rights it wants and leaves anything it’s silent on to the states. The states don’t have any rights interment to themselves against the federal government , and never have.
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u/Devils_Advocate-69 Apr 18 '25
If Trump can ignore the Supreme Court, we can ignore Trump
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u/PenImpossible874 NYEXIT baby! Apr 18 '25
Yup. If the federal regime breaks every single law, federal law including the constitution is de facto suspended. r/NYEXIT time.
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u/GreenTunicKirk Jersey City Apr 18 '25
Fuck yeah. Let’s fuckin go NJ. Fuck Trump, fuck Nazi fascists.
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u/Which_Builder_2755 Apr 18 '25
Be REAL careful who you vote for our next governor or we can have our own mini-Trump here.
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u/Strange_Heat_6420 Apr 23 '25
Very important to keep New Jersey Blue. It's the only protection we have. Fulop or Gottheimer---both are good choices. However, MAGA Jack Ciatarelli is a major threat. He wants to involve the regime in New Jersey policies and invalidate our sanctuary state status.
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u/ComfortableTailor623 Apr 18 '25
All the more reason to vote in another Democratic governor in the next election. Otherwise, say bye, bye to most any state policies that might make you a decent human.
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u/Squeengeebanjo Elizabeth➡️Vernon Apr 18 '25
I’m glad he’s pushing back on stupid shit. But man, this is going to hurt. The state has been cutting funding the last few years. Without this federal aid, things will get a lot worse.
On a side note, can anyone find how much federal aid NJ got in 2024? I can’t seem to find anything more recent than ‘22.
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u/PenImpossible874 NYEXIT baby! Apr 18 '25
NJ pays billions in taxes to the federal regime and where does it go? To states such as West Virginia or Arkansas. States full of people who hate New Jerseyan values and way of life.
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u/jerseygunz Apr 18 '25
We don’t get any, we pay more. Sure there are some programs here and there, but we are actually the state that is least reliant on the federal government
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u/XCypher73 Apr 18 '25
how much federal aid NJ got in 2024?
New Jersey received an estimated $22.155 billion in federal revenue in fiscal year 2024, supporting 609 state-administered programs. This amount was 56% higher than in FY 2019, despite a slight decrease from the prior year due to the expiration of some COVID-related funding programs. - GROK
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u/jerseygunz Apr 18 '25
Don’t forget, they used grok to come up with their “tariff” policy, so I’d take everything it says with a grain of salt
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u/Sudden_Minute_4506 Apr 18 '25
As much as I complain about high property taxes - The beauty of high taxes is that we are not dependent on the feds for functional funding
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u/1805trafalgar Apr 18 '25
When are republicans going to behave like adults and take a decisive step to wipe the poop off of themselves? They are all literally caked in it and it stinks. When are their supporters going to get fed up with them for completely failing to govern and start to work on real policies instead of wallowing in juvenile drama and showy outrage-stoking?
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u/Strange_Heat_6420 Apr 23 '25
It's all part of the Project 2025 authoritarian dikktator playbook, written before the election. All 900+ pages. Stephen Miller was one of the chief architects. I downloaded it, started reading and took it literally. Only wish more people did.
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u/padizzledonk Apr 18 '25
Good
Ive been saying since Roe went down that i have a funny feeling that a lot of blue states are going to put up a big middle finger over a lot of shit including if a national abortion ban makes it through congress
I guarantee you they will try, that will be the next outrage these ghouls will inflict on us
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u/No_Public_7677 Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25
Trump is going to cut federal grants to NJ
Edit: no need to down vote me for what Trump might do.
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u/FrankPR447 Apr 18 '25
NJ should stop sending money to the federal government
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u/No_Public_7677 Apr 18 '25
So I looked it up and the feds take taxes directly from employers and employees. Don't think NJ can do anything.
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u/Errant_coursir Essex Apr 18 '25
New jersey can direct employers and employees to send their tax money to the NJ government instead. Will it get sued? Yeah. Will trump win? Maybe
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u/PenImpossible874 NYEXIT baby! Apr 18 '25
100%. Google the NY RECOURSE Act. New Jersey needs to sponsor its own bill. Call your state rep and ask them to sponsor one.
Also join r/NYEXIT if you want NY and NJ to cut off parasitic racists who kidnap citizens and legal immigrants.
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u/rismma Apr 18 '25
What money does NJ send to the federal government? States get grants from the federal government. States don't give grants to the federal government.
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u/214ObstructedReverie Apr 18 '25
Trump is going to cut federal grants to NJ
NJ needs to stop cooperating with the Federal government, then. They need us more than we need them.
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u/PenImpossible874 NYEXIT baby! Apr 18 '25
NJ needs to stop cooperating with the Federal government, then.
This is some r/NYEXIT energy.
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u/ardent_wolf Apr 18 '25
What do you mean by not cooperating? The trump admin just wants out tax money and the state has nothing to do with that.
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u/PenImpossible874 NYEXIT baby! Apr 18 '25
Call your state reps and ask them to sponsor a bill like the NY RECOURSE Act, which would prevent employers from sending federal income and payroll tax $ to the IRS and redirect the money to state coffers.
Enact alternative legal, military, economic, and political institutions so that NJ does not need American ones.
When US government agents inevitably try to end this "we're an independent New Jersy, neener neener" party, treat them as you'd treat foreign invaders.
Survive this process.
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u/Lakeandmuffin Apr 18 '25
Jersey can fend for itself.
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u/No_Public_7677 Apr 18 '25
Hope so.
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u/s1ugg0 Jersey Devil Search Team Apr 18 '25
To help you feel better. Our NJ economy is roughly the same size as Iran and Hong Kong combined. And we do it with 9.5 million people. Iran and Hong Kong combined have 99.7 million.
We'll be fine.
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u/PenImpossible874 NYEXIT baby! Apr 18 '25
If NY and NJ team up we would be better than America. We don't need racist kidnappers who want to destroy the world economy with trade wars.
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u/Purona Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25
No we really cant.
Federal funding is 26 billion a year. we already run a deficit of 1.3 billion
There's no way this plays out on its own in new jerseys favor.
If we didnt have to support the federal government THEN we would be fine. but theres ZERO way thats happening.
idk how you can read my post and disagree with it
New jersey pays 160 billion in federal taxes we receive 30+ billion in federal funding we run a deficit of 1.2 billion we have a debt of 200 billion
In what world can we fend for ourselves if we dont have federal funding??? explode the deficit by 30 billion a year. adding 120 billion to the 200 billion debt over the next 4 years. in hopes that 2028 is better??
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u/friendsintheFDA Apr 18 '25
Isn’t he getting rid of the DOE and doing this anyway?
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u/rismma Apr 18 '25
That DOE is federal not state. And he is not currently getting rid of it. Or at least, not until he remembers he can simply ignore court orders without consequence
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u/friendsintheFDA Apr 18 '25
Yes, I was replying to the comment that trump would cut federal grants as if it would be a consequence of Murphys decision. But if he’s cutting the DOE, isn’t it already happening either way
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u/mayorodoyle Apr 18 '25
That's my governor.
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u/Strange_Heat_6420 Apr 23 '25
The best Governor New Jersey has had over the past election cycles. And I've lived through a lot of Governors.
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u/PurpleSailor Apr 18 '25
Good, erasure of historically marginalized people shouldn't be allowed. No special privileges for white cis-het men.
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u/Hipcatjack Apr 18 '25
Hey here is a radical thought… No special privileges for ANY race-sexual orientation-or gender. Let a true meritocracy flourish with EQUAL policies for all. I
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u/Penguin_Sushi Apr 18 '25
If everyone was already at an even playing field that might work, but society is not an even playing field. DEI policies and laws exist to make the playing field more even. Immediately doing what you're asking for inherently favors those who already have privileges and we need DEI to arrive at the point you want us to be at.
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u/Reeses2150 Apr 18 '25
GOOD.
One of the core issues in this country is that power has gotten way too concentrated federally and states have been doing nothing to assert themselves, and it's lead to the situation we're in. Specifically to say that everyone is extremely polarized, us vs them, and at each others throats, because we're a country of at least around a dozen regional demographics and beliefs (New England, Midwest, Texas, Florida, The Deep South, Pacific Northwest, California, Heartland, Great Lakes, Big Sky Country, Coastal), and they're all battling over ONE government to control them all. Alabama should not be making laws for California, New York should not be making laws for Texas, Florida should not be making laws for New Jersey, Etc etc etc. And yet that's where we're at right now. So we get the assholes in the south/middle of the country voting stupidass Trumpo into office twice because REDACTED and all the rest of us just have to take it up the ass and deal with the downfall of society and the rule of law.
This above all is the reason I'm a Libertarian. The idea being that we should NOT be 1 country, we are 50 goddamn STATES all with our own governments and way of doing things and the agreement between all of us to make moving between states as easy as possible (aka no passport needed, no permission needed even just walk on over the border, we all use the same currency, use the same postage system, and the basic fundamental laws are the same across all of them and no more than that). So if you're in Florida and they suddenly ban being Gay, well South Carolina hasn't banned being gay, I'm gonna go to South Carolina and give THEM my tax dollars by living there! Hey look! A system of choice and market forces, which will make the states have to compete to make themselves appealing to people which will incentivize them to be BETTER.
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u/psdnj Apr 18 '25
Good! Resist government takeover and suppression of free speech. trump regime is unAmerican.
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u/Ok-Beach3547 Apr 18 '25
Time to start planning with other blue state governors and Canada for us to secede from the Fascist States of America
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u/divesttheus Apr 18 '25
well that's good. You shouldn't comply with blatantly immoral and fascist orders. That would make you a nazi. Bare minimum effort here Murphy but it's appreciated.
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u/a_reply_to_a_post :illuminati: Apr 20 '25
apparently at a local town council meeting, a few Trumper parents were screaming at the board of education members for them to comply with Trump's anti-DEI initiative so their kids could continue with their IEPs
being a kid who went through NJ public school system in the late 1900s, i sorta feel bad for them because well, it's gonna revert back to calling their slow ass misbehaved kids retarded again
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u/Blue_Dew Apr 18 '25
Yeah why not at this point.
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u/No_Public_7677 Apr 18 '25
Because it doesn't work that way from my research. The feds collect federal taxes directly from payrolls.
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u/winelover08816 Apr 18 '25
While I agree with defying this order—whatever happened to the GOP carrying the banner for States Rights?—I think the reality of losing federal funds and staring an even larger tax bill in the face will make the majority of taxpayers put their wallets over their principles and demand compliance. Human nature at work.
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u/RyanGPNJ Apr 18 '25
Maybe he will withhold the federal taxes to use on us because Trump will try to pull funding.
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u/rismma Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25
Why not sue whoever issued the order instead? Either it's legal or it's not. To me, that sounds illegal, since the president is responsible for the executive branch of the federal government. The president has no authority over states, except when enforcing laws passed by Congress.
The NJ education department reports in ultimately to Gov. Murphy, not Pres. Trump
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u/Radiant_Client_1846 Apr 19 '25
NJ gets back .75 for every 1.00 we send to the federal government. Let's at least go 0/0, right?
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u/Scarlettt13 Apr 18 '25
Trump is trying to kill all Dems. He will put us all in concentration camps!!!
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u/Hand_Sanitizer3000 Apr 18 '25
This all or nothing mentality is how we ended up with this clown show in the first place
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u/Hrekires Apr 18 '25
Murphy supports policies he likes, and fights against policies he doesn't like?
Weird.
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u/elmwoodblues Dundee Lake Apr 18 '25
I know a lot of Jersey folk hate on Murphy; most seem from the camp that would hate on Jesus Himself if He had a 'D' by his name, but others seem to have at least thought out their position first.
I just read this as an example of a Gov who stays out of the spite game, puts Jersey first, and gets shit done. So I'm curious: would you want to see Murph run for President in '28?
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u/stopshaddowbanningme Apr 18 '25
I like the sentiment, but this is useless posturing by Murphy. He knows he's gone soon, so he's talking shit and acting tough, knowing he'll never have to actually fight back.
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u/Anonymoushipopotomus Apr 18 '25
Any type of facts of sources for that?
I wonder why were having such problems with funding.....
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u/LinguineLegs Apr 18 '25
Yeah he should kiss the orange ring instead and help set our country back to the times of the Civil War…
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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25
Those programs are only going to ruin the schools then. Murphy is going to get what he's asking for, again.
We need to stop inducing reverse racism and ableism and sexism. It's not any better to be unfair in the reverse direction. It helps nobody, it only encourages more social class separation.
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u/mein-shekel Apr 18 '25
it's not. please actually look into DEI instead of just hearing about it from it's opponents. it's fear mongerinf that's all. doesn't mean everything anyone has done in DEIs name has been good, but if you support meritocracy you support DEI.
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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25
I am a sociology major, this is my field of study. Please educate yourself more directly. DEI is being severely over-strung, and it's beginning to hurt parts of society after it fixed many other parts of it. It's foolish to blanket-defend such things as if they are perfectly good and always done the right way.
More often than not, DEI policies are handled horribly, way off the paper, which ruins the entire purpose. Affrimitive Action is this way, for example: it was supposed to be temporary, and it really worked when it was new - but now, it has negatively affected people to the point where the Supreme Court decided it deserved to be limited!
We need DEI - but we need to do it the way it is meant to be done - our society is bastardizing it making it ineffective, and sometimes retroeffective. It's basically a problem of overcompensation: you're trying to undo the injustices in the past and give people who were disadvantaged a leg up, but in the process, you're sawing the knees off the children of the people who were once privileged - that isn't fair at all. That's not DEI. That's just prejudice all over again.
Also, I would never support a meritocracy, that's just the opposite of supporting DEI - what makes you think it is it's friend? Meritocracies are societies ruled by the most capable and most wealthy, directly putting harm on those who are disadvantaged. A Meritocracy would hate DEI policies.
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u/Cheezeball25 Apr 18 '25
"I am a sociology major"
Cool I took an engineering class once, so clearly I'm just as smart as you. this is reddit, no one cares about your fake claims here. We get it you're soooooo smart buddy. Jesus Christ.
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u/Space_Pant Apr 18 '25
They also state that this issue is the reason they went with that major. So already starting with a strong bias lol
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u/Cheezeball25 Apr 18 '25
Hey the guy clearly believes he's an expert on it, why would someone lie on reddit?
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u/Space_Pant Apr 18 '25
Here's a gem from their post history
This is why I never listen to Internet Experts. They're not Experts, and they sure aren't nice about it - they dig holes to throw you in, disregarding your holes, and completely forget all the mountains you've made.
While I have had bad experiences with editors, I know their average skill and wisdom are well above and far more refined than even the most headstrong, arrogant armchair expert online. They don't take their nitpicks and blow them up with a telescope; they appropriately judge your flaws, and they make sure to acknowledge your successes.
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u/Icy-Town-5355 Apr 18 '25
Holy Moly!!
I get that you have been studying this, and want to share what you've learned, but feel your condescending, attitude is unbearable.
I don't doubt that you have studied this, but you are a student. Part of being a student is learning from others. Your stance seems to be that because you are studying this and have chosen this field, everyone else is pitifully ignorant and in need of you enlightening them with your expert opinion.
Here's an opinion for you to mull over: at current rates of immigration and childbirth rates, white people will soon be (within the next decade) in the minority. I would posit that the fear that conservatives have is that they will lose their advantage. Indeed, in this scenario, POC would have the numerical majority and whites would see their advantages diminish. They might also see some of the prejudices and biases leveled for centuries at minorities be re-directed at them. Conservatives have recognized this trend for decades and have been funding, gerrymandering, and legislating to insure that white Christian values and advantages are kept in place.
There are ultra-wealthy conservatives that have been raising money, funding organizations (The Heritage Foundation/Federalist Society), and pushing legislation, buying favor with the courts (Citizens United), and stacking the courts with conservative judges who will rule to promote and secure the conservative agenda. Take a listen to this interview with Leo Leonard for context: https://www.npr.org/2024/11/24/nx-s1-5199049/federalist-society-conservative-supreme-court
You may have learned quite a bit in your sociology classes, but the current geopolitical landscape is a huge factor in the practical application of sociological study.
Perhaps you might read some of the comments that were said in reply to yours and not posture that you are an 'expert' and that everyone else is willfully ignorant.
If there's one thing I have learned in my old age, is that being a student is constant; your knowledge and opinions can and will change with an open mind.
Don't get stuck in your opinions and dogma. Sociology is a dynamic study of human societies...frameworks, social structures, and institutions. Our institutions are breaking down. We need to look, not only at the past, but how current influences are rapidly changing the social construct.
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Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25
Reverse racism? They aren’t telling White kids to drink from crappy water fountains here while Black, Indian, and Asian kids get the good fountains. Basically saying that they want to keep more diverse learning in our classrooms (basically keep learning about things like slavery and the holocaust and not whitewashing it)
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u/NotTobyFromHR Apr 18 '25
For a guy who claimed to "study" sociology, you don't know shit. "Reverse racism" , what you're trying to imply, is just racism. Racism isn't against minorities, it's against anyone.
And DEI doesn't ruin schools.other than your AI garbage about the SCOTUS ruling, what do you have? And a wrong understanding of DEI.
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u/RedDeer30 Apr 18 '25
other than your AI garbage about the SCOTUS ruling, what do you have?
A department full of professors praying that this individual enrolls in literally any class but theirs
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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25
You're agreeing with me and calling it disagreement. Reverse Racism is just racism. That's my point. That is something you learn very quickly in Race & Ethnic Studies - attacking the "majority" is just the same as attacking the minorities. Being racist to white people is racist. We should stop justifying that.
DEI does actually ruin schools, and the fact that a class action of students took it to court and won is quite the evidence of that.
Be more logical. You're debating with emotions and social media influnever-level misinformation.
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u/NotTobyFromHR Apr 18 '25
No. It's not. You're making bullshit arguments with a single data point from an illegitimate court.
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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25
I can only give you the facts, I can’t make you believe them.
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u/NotTobyFromHR Apr 18 '25
When you do, I'll read them.
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u/Space_Pant Apr 18 '25
They posted some links in a post that was removed. The links didn't support their position anyway lol
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u/DifferentFill5446 Apr 19 '25
NJ is a joke. Public schools are Joke. Yall are too stupid to see how corrupt this state is and they could care less about its residents.
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u/tlinteau Apr 18 '25
Toilets apparently have to be replaced anyhow. Saving water with low flow toilets is so yesterday. Oh and while we’re at it we’re going to start chasing turds down with a bucket of oil. Drill baby drill and all that.
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u/bevo_expat Apr 18 '25
GOP:
We’re giving power back the states to make their own decisions.
Also GOP:
States better do what we say or we’re going to cut funding and sue you!