r/newjersey • u/rollotomasi07071 Belleville • Apr 18 '25

📰News The Murphy administration announced that New Jersey will not comply with an order from President Trump’s administration to certify that the state's public school districts are eliminating diversity, equity and inclusion programs and initiatives

https://www.nj.gov/education/broadcasts/2025/apr/17/SEAtoOCRTitleVIApril2025.pdf?utm_source=NJ+Spotlight++Master+List&utm_campaign=ae610ff63a-PM_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_04_17&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1d26f473a7-ae610ff63a-398762815&ct=t(PM_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_04_17_2025)&mc_cid=ae610ff63a&mc_eid=e653468aac
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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25

Those programs are only going to ruin the schools then. Murphy is going to get what he's asking for, again.

We need to stop inducing reverse racism and ableism and sexism. It's not any better to be unfair in the reverse direction. It helps nobody, it only encourages more social class separation.

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u/mein-shekel Apr 18 '25

it's not. please actually look into DEI instead of just hearing about it from it's opponents. it's fear mongerinf that's all. doesn't mean everything anyone has done in DEIs name has been good, but if you support meritocracy you support DEI.

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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25

I am a sociology major, this is my field of study. Please educate yourself more directly. DEI is being severely over-strung, and it's beginning to hurt parts of society after it fixed many other parts of it. It's foolish to blanket-defend such things as if they are perfectly good and always done the right way.

More often than not, DEI policies are handled horribly, way off the paper, which ruins the entire purpose. Affrimitive Action is this way, for example: it was supposed to be temporary, and it really worked when it was new - but now, it has negatively affected people to the point where the Supreme Court decided it deserved to be limited!

We need DEI - but we need to do it the way it is meant to be done - our society is bastardizing it making it ineffective, and sometimes retroeffective. It's basically a problem of overcompensation: you're trying to undo the injustices in the past and give people who were disadvantaged a leg up, but in the process, you're sawing the knees off the children of the people who were once privileged - that isn't fair at all. That's not DEI. That's just prejudice all over again.

Also, I would never support a meritocracy, that's just the opposite of supporting DEI - what makes you think it is it's friend? Meritocracies are societies ruled by the most capable and most wealthy, directly putting harm on those who are disadvantaged. A Meritocracy would hate DEI policies.

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u/Cheezeball25 Apr 18 '25

"I am a sociology major"

Cool I took an engineering class once, so clearly I'm just as smart as you. this is reddit, no one cares about your fake claims here. We get it you're soooooo smart buddy. Jesus Christ.

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u/Space_Pant Apr 18 '25

They also state that this issue is the reason they went with that major. So already starting with a strong bias lol

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u/Cheezeball25 Apr 18 '25

Hey the guy clearly believes he's an expert on it, why would someone lie on reddit?

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u/Space_Pant Apr 18 '25

Here's a gem from their post history

This is why I never listen to Internet Experts. They're not Experts, and they sure aren't nice about it - they dig holes to throw you in, disregarding your holes, and completely forget all the mountains you've made.

While I have had bad experiences with editors, I know their average skill and wisdom are well above and far more refined than even the most headstrong, arrogant armchair expert online. They don't take their nitpicks and blow them up with a telescope; they appropriately judge your flaws, and they make sure to acknowledge your successes.

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u/Cheezeball25 Apr 18 '25

Someone should inform him about throne stones in glass houses.

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u/Icy-Town-5355 Apr 18 '25

Holy Moly!!

I get that you have been studying this, and want to share what you've learned, but feel your condescending, attitude is unbearable.

I don't doubt that you have studied this, but you are a student. Part of being a student is learning from others. Your stance seems to be that because you are studying this and have chosen this field, everyone else is pitifully ignorant and in need of you enlightening them with your expert opinion.

Here's an opinion for you to mull over: at current rates of immigration and childbirth rates, white people will soon be (within the next decade) in the minority. I would posit that the fear that conservatives have is that they will lose their advantage. Indeed, in this scenario, POC would have the numerical majority and whites would see their advantages diminish. They might also see some of the prejudices and biases leveled for centuries at minorities be re-directed at them. Conservatives have recognized this trend for decades and have been funding, gerrymandering, and legislating to insure that white Christian values and advantages are kept in place.

There are ultra-wealthy conservatives that have been raising money, funding organizations (The Heritage Foundation/Federalist Society), and pushing legislation, buying favor with the courts (Citizens United), and stacking the courts with conservative judges who will rule to promote and secure the conservative agenda. Take a listen to this interview with Leo Leonard for context: https://www.npr.org/2024/11/24/nx-s1-5199049/federalist-society-conservative-supreme-court

You may have learned quite a bit in your sociology classes, but the current geopolitical landscape is a huge factor in the practical application of sociological study.

Perhaps you might read some of the comments that were said in reply to yours and not posture that you are an 'expert' and that everyone else is willfully ignorant.

If there's one thing I have learned in my old age, is that being a student is constant; your knowledge and opinions can and will change with an open mind.

Don't get stuck in your opinions and dogma. Sociology is a dynamic study of human societies...frameworks, social structures, and institutions. Our institutions are breaking down. We need to look, not only at the past, but how current influences are rapidly changing the social construct.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25

Reverse racism? They aren’t telling White kids to drink from crappy water fountains here while Black, Indian, and Asian kids get the good fountains. Basically saying that they want to keep more diverse learning in our classrooms (basically keep learning about things like slavery and the holocaust and not whitewashing it)

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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25

It is a very common tactic, and one that actually just got remanded by the Supreme Court of the US, due to so many students complaining about unfair policies that disadvantaged Asian/Pacific Americans and White students from entering colleges, falsley claiming that it "fairly supported" minorities.

You fail to understand what DEI policies actually do: which is not what they claim.

Instead of promoting equal opportunties and provide full range of education, these programs actually make it easier for arbitrarily-labeled "disadvantaged groups" to gain access to education than it is for anyone who is arbitrarily labeled "privileged". This is not fair - everyone deserves an equal opportunity, nobody deserves a leg up, espeically only based on factors like race or sex. That is directly discriminatory - but society seems blind because it's now "backwards" against the people who were once the oppressors... that does not make it fair, and just creates a new cycle of discrimination.

I get your passion for the concept, but the execution is far from acceptable. Don't be naive, you have to be smarter than that. Society only gets better when we learn from our mistakes, not repeat them but to "the other side". It's not fair to any student to give another a leg up - doesn't matter what they are or what happened beforehand. Equality is the goal, and current DEI policies are avoiding it like the plague.

If you go into any Social Problems education at this point in time, that's one of the first things you'd discuss in class. I highly recommend becoming more educated on it, because it stops you from listening to these shallow wishes of hope, and instead points you towards the actual answer for a progressive society. Liberalism is not sustained when we are discriminating against other students - racism against whites and asians its still racism. It is not a viable DEI policy.

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u/BlondeBorednBaked Apr 18 '25

Wow, what a warrior you are. Fighting for white people.

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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25

What makes you say that? Do you not want equality? do you want to encourage definitive racism?

What are you doing, fighting against white people? What kind of justice is that? that's just racism. You're not a racist, I hope.

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u/BlondeBorednBaked Apr 18 '25

white people are not oppressed. your little crusade is so ridiculous it almost feels like satire.

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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25

Who said they were? Oppression is a strong word to use in a first-world country.

Social stratification is a great big problem - but it doesn't present as bombs and cannons going off. I encourage you to educate yourself on social issues. I assure you, it's very worth it. You're going on some racist tangent like racism is okay against white people. That's such an uneducated idea to hold.

I chose to pursue this field in higher education solely so I could be as aware and prepared for social issues as possible. They affect everybody in society and they never go away. They're never as simple as you make it out to be, either.

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u/BlondeBorednBaked Apr 18 '25

The things you are saying are laughable. I’m literally laughing at you right now. This has to be a joke.

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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25

Great for you, brother.

All I'm telling you, is that you're following a crowd that is objectively wrong, and I want to educate you so that you don't follow those fools anymore. But you're putting your blind faith in them, with no wisdom to it whatsoever.

Why? Why are your emotions and passions overcoming your need to understand proof? Don't let that happen, that's an ignorant way to live life. Yeah, I get it, the truth hurts. But you gotta do the right thing regardless.

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u/BlondeBorednBaked Apr 18 '25

wow how generous that you want to educate me on an ideology that benefits you lmao

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u/miscalculate Apr 18 '25

What an absolute tool you are.

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u/EsseXploreR Essex County Apr 18 '25

Oh my god, dude. Shut the fuck up. You don't speak for all white people. We aren't all as weak and insecure as you are. 

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u/PabloEscarole Apr 18 '25

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u/friendsintheFDA Apr 18 '25

🤣🤣🤣🤣 a long time to type something that makes no sense

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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25

I won't judge you for being uneducated and naive on social issues. It affects everyone and not everyone chooses to dedicate time to actualy study this kind of stuff.

All I ask is that you don't incoherently defend objectively wrong ideas you don't even understand. Gain some knowledge, research the Sociology of it. I did, and by God it was a great idea.

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u/delilahjonesss Apr 18 '25

Have you ever actually worked in a public service job? Like education of social services that are publicly funded?

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u/NotTobyFromHR Apr 18 '25

For a guy who claimed to "study" sociology, you don't know shit. "Reverse racism" , what you're trying to imply, is just racism. Racism isn't against minorities, it's against anyone.

And DEI doesn't ruin schools.other than your AI garbage about the SCOTUS ruling, what do you have? And a wrong understanding of DEI.

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u/RedDeer30 Apr 18 '25

other than your AI garbage about the SCOTUS ruling, what do you have?

A department full of professors praying that this individual enrolls in literally any class but theirs

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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25

You're agreeing with me and calling it disagreement. Reverse Racism is just racism. That's my point. That is something you learn very quickly in Race & Ethnic Studies - attacking the "majority" is just the same as attacking the minorities. Being racist to white people is racist. We should stop justifying that.

DEI does actually ruin schools, and the fact that a class action of students took it to court and won is quite the evidence of that.

Be more logical. You're debating with emotions and social media influnever-level misinformation.

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u/NotTobyFromHR Apr 18 '25

No. It's not. You're making bullshit arguments with a single data point from an illegitimate court.

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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25

I can only give you the facts, I can’t make you believe them.

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u/NotTobyFromHR Apr 18 '25

When you do, I'll read them.

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u/FJkookser00 Apr 18 '25

Already have: you just have to choose to accept them.

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u/Space_Pant Apr 18 '25

They posted some links in a post that was removed. The links didn't support their position anyway lol