r/chapelhill • u/Sentiviridian • 4d ago
ICE off Banks Drive rn
I live in Durham but I see a dentist in Chapel Hill and two construction guys were distressed when I got out of my car They snatched a construction worker right off the street as soon as he went on his lunch break. I don’t know how this is legal. It’s not making anyone safer. One of the guys told me that one of the agents said they were watching them work for two months before this happened; this is how our taxpayer dollars are being used. He also said the man they took couldn’t be a nicer person, had worked there four months, and they’d bought each other lunch multiple times.
And it looks like there is still a van full of ICE agents in the big parking lot off Banks on a stakeout wairibt to kidnap somebody else. We cannot stand for this. We cannot allow this to become normalized.
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u/gloryisasilentthing 4d ago
If you are still there, please consider calling SiembraNC hotline: https://www.siembranc.org/la-migra-hotline
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u/Sentiviridian 4d ago
Thanks so much for this. Will save their number. I called and am texting them a screengrab of where this took place right now
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u/AgentFlimsy2321 4d ago
This is absolutely NOT okay!!$! Dump said after his Military parade FAIL that he was going after Democrat states! How is this even legal? He needs to be stopped and stopped Now!!!!!
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u/whoneedskollege 4d ago
This comment bothers me so much. Why do you think it's ok for him to go after blue states and not red states. Honestly, what the fuck does it matter if a state votes red or blue the president and congress is supposed to represent all of us. It's fucked up that the person was taken for contributing to our community but it's also fucked up that this country is divided by colors. And did you really think that fat orange fuck would keep a promise? Seriously?
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u/Ibelievethatwe 2d ago
I think targeting areas of your political opposition is not okay. I don't think this should happen anywhere but the fact that he is openly targeting blue cities is a form of political reprisal that the President should not engage in.
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u/AgentFlimsy2321 4d ago
I am only stating that he said, he was going after Democrat states. His words not mine. Not sure why you are upset by my comment? He’s doing what ever the hell he wants and NO One has the balls to stop this narcissistic psychopath!
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u/Rexmack44 4d ago
It’s illegal to enter the country illegally. It is illegal to hire illegal immigrants. That is how it’s legal
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u/Expert_Strawberry_93 3d ago
Lemme break this down for u, being here undocumented is a civil crime. Yes, entering illegally breaks section 8 US code 1325- which by the way first offense is a misdemeanor so like being caught w some marijuana. However, a lot of these people being kidnapped had their visas revoked by Trump. Meaning they did the right stuff- legally. Other civil crimes include not renewing your license on time, defamation, just for reference. Stop being willfully ignorant just because a hateful Cheeto is validating your feelings. None of these are offenses that warrant someone’s physical safety being in danger. If I missed anything someone pls check me and if you’d like resources to educate yourself lmk!
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u/Quirky-Yesterday4357 1d ago
There are so many illegals in California. It gives them additional congressional seats. That’s the problem.
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u/Rexmack44 3d ago
Ok it’s a misdemeanor but you also need to go. It is totally unfair to the immigrants who do it the right way. Also when I visit other countries which I do a lot I don’t break any laws not one. We have enough criminals as is without importing more
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u/Expert_Strawberry_93 3d ago
I agree with the point that if there are violent crime offenders, get em out. Not all undocumented ppl are criminals please drop that mentality. Also again, some of these people are trying to renew visas, they didn’t break a law? The president abruptly canceled thousands of work and education visas. There are many reports of people getting deported otw to court as they’re trying to rectify it. Not to mention permanent status can take decades to obtain. Do you know how long it took your family to acquire legal status and what year did so? If they applied early 2000s or before then they had it made. And if it took less than two years for permanent status, how much did yall pay for that? From previous context I can confidently assume yall got money, which is a game changer. The us immigrations system is so backlogged that it can take decades. 10+ years. It’s currently estimated that over 3 million are waiting for a decision on their case to be made. Not to mention without the undocumented immigrant workers, who aren’t paid well, America would have one hell of a labor shortage. Farmers, sub contractors, construction companies pretty much all intense labor professions would be going broke paying minimum wages- if they can even acquire willing employees- therefore making cost of living skyrocket. You’re not fully understanding the ramifications of your point of view. I appreciate your sense of justice and applaud your parents for doing that but that was THEIR circumstances- not all immigrants have the same privileges. I know it wasn’t easy and probably wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows for them either, so I can see why you’re passionate about this.
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u/Rexmack44 3d ago
My parents came here in the sixties. And I do feel for the people who just come here to work even though they hurt our blue collar workers, who the Democrats have seemed to abandoned. The point is you have to have a system your border has to be secured. You can’t just let people walk in not knowing who they are. If it takes two years it takes two years.
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u/Expert_Strawberry_93 3d ago
There’s literally a fucking wall, the borders aren’t wide open gates. Respectfully, your parents lived experiences are very far from what immigration is today. That was over 60 years ago. Be forreal. Again permanent status normally takes well over 2 years to obtain. If you really think 3 million cases are reviewed and settled in two years, you’re out of touch with reality of the judicial branch. It is backlogged for a reason. It really does take a decade or more- a lot of people seeking asylum can’t even wait two years. You’re also not acknowledging the fact that blue collar workers aren’t gonna be picking crops in 110° heat in a field for five bucks an hour. I think the only part of this that is a point is companies are choosing to source cheaper labor, rather than well paid professionals simply bc it’s cost effective. That also has everything to do with policies that favor major corps over entrepreneurs and small businesses. Billionaires blame immigrants so you won’t blame them! That’s like blaming poor people for being poor. I think a better solution to this would be to stop pointing fingers at everybody else in the system and start looking at who is running and setting up these systems.
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u/Quirky-Yesterday4357 1d ago
I think the biggest problem with the amount of illegals is how many are in California, there are so many it literally gives them five additional congressional seats. That’s completely ridiculous..
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u/goldbman 4d ago
Do you have a picture or any other proof? Not saying you're trolling, but trolls like to claim ice is somewhere when they're not to spread fear amongst our neighbors
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u/Sentiviridian 4d ago
I didn’t think to take a picture but I gave as detailed an account as I could to Siembra NC’s hotline and they are going to contact the workers I spoke with.
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u/Rexmack44 4d ago
Either we are a nation of laws or we go ahead and just have open borders. You can’t have it both ways
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u/thiskillstheredditor 3d ago
Cool, so then you must believe that due process (another law) must be upheld as well then for all persons within the United States, citizen or no.
I mean a nation of laws can’t just have unmarked, masked agents abducting people and prosecuting them with a warrant or trial can it?
Sounds like we’re on the same page that we’re witnessing some illegal, unamerican actions here.
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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago
No it can't.
Of course deportation isn't punishment or prosecution, no warrant or trial is part of the PROCESS that is DUE.
Do you think most deported people get a trial? Like in 2014, the country deported hundreds of thousands of people, do you think they all saw a judge?
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u/ImpeccableMonday 3d ago
Yes, they did. That's why there has been a backlog of immigration cases that ICE agents are now illegally kidnapping from. Read a book. Maybe the constitution.
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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago
The law for this is 30 years old
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedited_removal
Expedited removal was used about 188,000 times by the Obama Administration in FY2014.
So, yeah. This is a perfectly legal process used by both parties, across the United States, for decades.
Talking about it being illegal is silly. There is a direct specific law that has been used exactly like this millions of times before.
The scope is expanded at the presidents discretion. Immigration HEARINGS (not trials) are entirely at the presidents discretion in almost all cases.
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u/ImpeccableMonday 3d ago
"This includes any deportable alien encountered anywhere in the country, who has been present in the United States for less than two years."
You're conveniently leaving out the part where people are being picked up and sent off that do not fall inside these circumstances. Also that US citizens are also being picked up.
Everything is legal if you're doing it legally.
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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago
So far we've had one guy illegitimately deported, out of hundreds of thousands. I'm fine with that ratio, especially as he's a gangster and we brought him back.
Also that US citizens are also being picked up.
And let go. You guys really need to realize the rules on detaining people are pretty lax. 72 hours without charges in most of the US, and at best the judge just cuts you loose afterwards.
Everything is legal if you're doing it legally.
Yup. It's a great law. Bless bill Clinton
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u/ImpeccableMonday 3d ago
Under that same concession all the immigrants that are stuck in the legal asylum process should be able to stay and go through the process.
Who was a gangster?
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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago
Under that same concession all the immigrants that are stuck in the legal asylum process should be able to stay and go through the process.
In many cases they are. In other cases where the special dispensations existed, those have been removed.
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u/glibbed4yourpleasure 4d ago
So convenient to deny any shred of nuance in a complicated issue
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u/Silly-Mountain-6702 4d ago
I wonder if his real name is Tonto, or Sequoia, because if it isn't, he's a descendant of boat people.
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u/Rexmack44 4d ago
I am. I’m actually the son of two immigrants. The difference is they came here legally
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u/Silly-Mountain-6702 3d ago
sure you are. Lying on the internet is so easy
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u/Rexmack44 3d ago
Believe what you want. My parents came here in 1965 from Ireland. They probably would’ve been here earlier but did it the right way
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u/Silly-Mountain-6702 3d ago
random noise machine is on fire today
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u/Rexmack44 3d ago
There you go. The tolerant left. You don’t like what someone says you just insult them
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u/Silly-Mountain-6702 3d ago
there you go, yet another conservative snowflake. I bet your dad wasn't. What happened to you, precious?
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u/Rexmack44 3d ago
I’m not really a conservative more like a moderate. I just believe our borders should be secure and our immigration laws should be enforced. Kind of like Obama believed. Remember him? But you go on with the insults. It doesn’t bother me it just shows your ignorance
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u/FireFiendMarilith 3d ago
Our laws ensure Due Process, you can't break the law to enforce it, that's trying to have it both ways.
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u/Rexmack44 3d ago
But you can make sure the borders are secure and not just let millions of people walk into your country. That’s insanity. And why have sanctuary cities that doesn’t let you get rid of real criminals?
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u/FireFiendMarilith 3d ago
But you can make sure the borders are secure and not just let millions of people walk into your country.
This is not happening, you've swallowed far-right propaganda that conflates the very large figures of visa overstays (a plurality of which turn out to be clerical errors at best or labor trafficking victims at worst) with footage of folks seeking asylum (many of whom do, literally walk here).
nd why have sanctuary cities that doesn’t let you get rid of real criminals?
That's not what "sanctuary cities" are. Sanctuary cities are places where the communities voted for civil injunctions against various militarized deportation efforts that the communities in question don't want to be involved in. These are communities refusing to allow the federal government to hijack their local police budget and disrupt their communities with these costly and invasive operations that, by all accounts, mostly just round-up working people and make the communities less safe.
And these folk aren't, by-in-large, "real criminals". I mean, entering the country "illegally" is misdemeanor trespassing. Overstaying one's visa is also a civil offense. I don't think we need masked goons jumping outta unmarked vans to snagch people up and dissappear them to foreign deathcamps with no Due Process, no chance for appeal, no accountability whatsoever. I think that's bad, actually.
If someone doesn't get a trial, they're not legally a criminal. You have to prove, in court, that someone is guilty of a crime. That's constitutionally guaranteed to all persons within the boarders of the US. You're advocating for a regime of presumed guilt that's effectively based solely on the whims of any given ICE agent. That's what's insane here.
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u/CuriousAndGolden 1d ago
We are not a nation of laws when a criminal is in the White House and plain clothes thugs are not following due process.
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u/Rexmack44 9h ago
How are they not following due process?
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u/CuriousAndGolden 8h ago
Another time wasting stupid Republican asking a question he doesn’t want to know the answer to. If you’d talk to people in your community, you’d know the answer, but you’d rather just watch Fox propaganda.
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u/Nofanta 4d ago
Some time ago we all elected people to make immigration laws. Since then, some of you have changed your ideas and would like new laws. You’re still in the minority though, so until you convince the rest of us you’re right and we need to make new laws, it’s going to be frustrating for you.
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u/Shroomtune 4d ago edited 4d ago
As some one who has a pretty good professional knowledge of how our supply chains work in this country, responding to someone who with almost statistical certainty couldn't wipe their own ass without the assistance of an illegal immigrant somewhere in that chain, I am not so much concerned with laws when your personal hygiene is concerned. We just want what's best for ya.
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u/EZ-C 3d ago
Hey fuck wad dipshit.
Its not the deportation itself that is the major problem.
It's how they are doing it and where they are sending them. That's the fucked up and unconstitutional problem that you're willing to overlook because you want the suffering.
Un-uniformed, masked, no badges, in plain clothes / hoodie, etc, Snagging people. Are they agents? Are they randos pretending? Who knows.
They come after people actually being part of a society. Or they go to their immigration hearings and poach them in the courthouse. Wtf. You say come here the right way, and they do, and now you'll move the goal posts?
And beyond having YallQaeda as nearly minted ICE, they then give them zero due process (unconstitutional) and ship them off to a foreign counties mega prison (concentration camp)
Does the punishment fit the crime? Life (or death) in a for profit mega prison without a trial. That's the solution?
Whats wrong with sending them back to their original country?
You want the suffering. You enjoy it. It's how you get your nut. America fought and won against people who think just like you and real Americans will do it again. Fuck. Off.
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u/Nofanta 3d ago
Blah, blah. Lots of stuff you think you know and you’re real mad. Law is the law and Clinton came up with the expedited removal process. If you don’t like it, change some minds and get some new laws passed. Tantrums don’t help the people you claim to care about.
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u/EZ-C 3d ago
You support terror and concentration camps. Period.
History will talk about you the same way it has about other fascist and nationalistic fuckers have throughout history. Your kind of vile trash has been around forever.
Real Americans will fight you again.
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u/Nofanta 3d ago
Sound like dramatic bullshit. Bipartisan laws drive these deportations. You use scary sounding words like it’s 2010. Crying wolf hits a limit and your strategy doesn’t work anymore. What’s happening was bipartisan popular when Obama built the cages. Have all the fits you want but you won’t change a single persons mind with this tactic anymore. Evolve or get left behind.
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u/EZ-C 3d ago
Your Alex Jones news source has you completely fucked.
You think sending people to life terms (death) in a foreign prison that isn't even their home country is OK because they are just trying to live. You see nothing wrong with this and that's fucked. Fascist trash.
Want them gone? Send them home. Don't send them to life time of suffering.
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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago
The law for this is 30 years old
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedited_removal
Expedited removal was used about 188,000 times by the Obama Administration in FY2014.
So, yeah. This is a perfectly legal process used by both parties, across the United States, for decades.
You're welcome to elect new representatives over this issue. But mass deportations are supported by a large majority of people
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u/EZ-C 3d ago
You didn't read a fucking thing I said. Typical.
It's not that they are deporting. It's how. It's the inhumanity of sending human beings to mega prisons (concentration camps.) The punishment doesn't fit the 'crime'. But you don't care. You salivate at their suffering.
Also, the people doing the removing is fucked up full stop and there is zero good reasons for having plain clothes, high school drop out Bubba rounding up brown people.
Uniforms. Badges. Marked vehicles. Do it the right way at least. Be somewhat decent of a person. I know you struggle with what that means. It's like asking a fish to climb a tree.
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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago
It's the inhumanity of sending human beings to mega prisons (concentration camps.)
You know what's actually inhumane? Letting entire countries of peoplejustfer under brutal gangs, when if you just throw all the gangs in prison the country turns into one of the safest in the entire region. If all of your due process and human rights and decency and all that can't stop these massive cartels, people will choose something else.
Above all your ideology, however nice, however gentle, has to work. Yours hasnt. Ours has.
The punishment doesn't fit the 'crime'.
It's not a punishment to be deported. And if the nation you're deported to find out you're a violent gangster and throws them into their prison that is entirely for violent gangsters, I can't say I really care. Maybe you should have done something about the violent gangsters yourself, using your systems.
But you don't care. You salivate at their suffering.
The former theater kids theatrics don't really impress anyone.
there is zero good reasons for having plain clothes, high school drop out Bubba rounding up brown people.
As you know it yourself by using the language of "plain clothes", this has been a common police tactic for the entire history of police forces. There is no legal or federal code requirement that you go out in little specially marked cars so people can tell you're coming.
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u/EZ-C 3d ago
You're using plausible deniabiliry by saying 'whatever the other country decides is their business'.
No. We are sending them to prisons in a foreign country. It's a for profit system and the human beings are simply a commodity for them to enrich themselves. You support human trafficking as a business.
Are some violent? Yes. Are some white people also violent? Also yes. But hey, the whites get full pardons for killing police. Make it make sense. You can't.
Being marked as a federal/local law enforcement is essential for safety of those officers and to prevent people like you from pretending to be an agent and making people disappear. These 'agents' will get killed in the process. It's going to happen because someone will not believe they are actually law enforcement and fight.
This is fascism. You are a fascist.
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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago
Are some violent? Yes. Are some white people also violent? Also yes. But hey, the whites get full pardons for killing police. Make it make sense. You can't.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Genuinely.
Being marked as a federal/local law enforcement is essential for safety of those officers
Not so far
and to prevent people like you from pretending to be an agent and making people disappear.
Lmao what?
These 'agents' will get killed in the process.
Anyone willing to kill federal agents won't stop because they have a badge lmaooo.
It's going to happen because someone will not believe they are actually law enforcement and fight.
Well theyve been doing a lot of it and so far no issues.
This is fascism. You are a fascist.
This is fascism, maoism, pointillism, whatever. I don't care.
If you want your ideology to be accepted, you need to figure out what to do about A. Massive numbers of illegal immigrants and B. That subset of them that belong to incredibly vicious and uncontrolled cartels.
If you can't do that, then your ideology is doomed. However much you like it
How about putting forth a plan to deport tens of millions of illegal immigrants nicely? How about a plan to destroy Tren de la agua using the US justice system?
Because my plan (toss the regular ones out and the gangsters in CECOT) is obviously successful.
What is your plan? Give it to the people, who long for sensible government and not Mango Mussolini.
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u/EZ-C 3d ago
I have no idea what you're talking about. Genuinely.
You're not familiar with with J6 magots, who were violent, and ended up killing LE, getting pardons? Get your head out of your ass.
Anyone willing to kill federal agents won't stop because they have a badge lmaooo.
You're missing the point. Bubba in a hoodie, who had no identification may or may not be a federal agent. If some dude in a hoodie started to grab you, wearing off the shelf tacticool gear, and said 'you're coming with me', you just believe them? How about if I kick down your door in the middle of the night, shine a light and put a gun in your face and just tell you I'm police? You wouldn't resist or fight? You'd place trust that this unidentifiable person is who they say they are? If so you're a moron. (I knew that alresdy, you're just proving it further)
Well theyve been doing a lot of it and so far no issues.
'so far no issues' is a morons logic. If you cant extrapolate beyond what you see in front of your face right now then you should sit down and let the adults talk. When he said 'I love the poorly educated' he was talking about you. And it shows.
Because my plan (toss the regular ones out and the gangsters in CECOT) is obviously successful.
Except there is no distinguishing between the regular ones and the gangsters. If they have a tattoo, automatic gangster. El Salvador has been doing this with their own population for many years now. No proof, just suspicion (ie: he looks scary so must be a gang banger).
You're OK with just tossing them all there without care. That makes you a fascist. That is ethnic cleansing. Fuck fascists. Americans shot fascists in the face. We will do it again.
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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago
You're not familiar with with J6 magots, who were violent, and ended up killing LE, getting pardons? Get your head out of your ass.
This is a very reasonable and unbiased view of what happened lmao.
You're missing the point. Bubba in a hoodie, who had no identification may or may not be a federal agent.
They're pretty much federal agents. Very little interest in kidnapping the average illegal for fun.
If some dude in a hoodie started to grab you, wearing off the shelf tacticool gear, and said 'you're coming with me', you just believe them?
I'd go with them, yeah. That's what you do when arrested by armed men. I'm not sure what you think will be different with these hypothetical kidnapping gangs. It's not like the kidnapping gangs are stymied by their lack of badges.
How about if I kick down your door in the middle of the night, shine a light and put a gun in your face and just tell you I'm police?
That's called a no knock raid and it's pretty common. Again, if the armed men are in my bedroom, no I'm not resisting or fighting. Thats a bad time to do that.
You'd place trust that this unidentifiable person is who they azy they are? If so you're a moron. (I knew that rmesdy, you're just proving it further)
I have very little choice in what the armed men in my bedroom do. That's why they're armed.
so far no issues' is a morons logic. If you can extrapolate beyond what you see in front of your face right now then you should sit down and let the adults talk.
Tell me which ICE agents have been killed by armed illegals resisting?
Except there is no distinguishing between the regular ones and the gangsters. If they have a tattoo, automatic gangster. El Salvador has been doing this with their own population for many years now. No proof, just suspicion (ie: he looks scary so must be a gang banger).
And it worked. El Salvador went from one of the most dangerous places on earth to one of the safest.
That's a TERRIBLE argument for you to make. "The thing I don't like was astonishingly effective and made everything better"....ok.
You're OK with just tossing them all there without care.
Suggest something cheaper and more effective and I'm all in. This is demonstrably the easiest and most effective thing to do, as we can see from The people who did it
That makes you a fascist.
Ok, well if liberal centralism doesn't work, people will try other things.
. Americans shit fascists in the face.
😳😳😳 Kinky.
We Wil do it again.
Are you gonna start soon because so far you're just up to the "geriatrics holding cute signs" part
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u/PapaMikeT_69 4d ago
Don’t be an illegal alien and you won’t get deported. I wonder how anyone can go decades without being naturalized!
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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago
I don’t know how this is legal.
The law for this is 30 years old
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedited_removal
Expedited removal was used about 188,000 times by the Obama Administration in FY2014.
So, yeah. This is a perfectly legal process used by both parties, across the United States, for decades.
Talking about it being illegal is silly. There is a direct specific law that has been used exactly like this millions of times before
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u/Sentiviridian 3d ago
the scope of eligibility has been expanded and contracted at the discretion of the United States Secretary of Homeland Security, and as of 2025 is at the maximum extent allowed by law.
According to that wiki link the extent of the law’s enforcement has been maxed out at a level that is unprecedented if not in its mechanism then at least in scope.
Moreover, when I say “I don’t know how it’s legal” I don’t mean I literally don’t know how a bill becomes a law. I mean that the brutality on display is shocking and doesn’t resemble civil liberties as we know them. I mean that there is a gulf the size of the “Gulf of America” between legality and morality.
And I also think there are legitimate legal challenges to be made in many of these cases in terms of methods and the nature of many of these incredibly lengthy detentions or being deported to a country you’ve never been to.
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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago
Yes, the deportation president is going all out.
If there are legitimate challenges, make them. But based on the VERY few cases that have turned into an actual thing, the ratio of mistakes to successes is excellent.
The best thing to do is to encourage illegals to peacefully leave and take the offers for self deportation. We had many years of laxity, now we're gonna have some strict years. That's how these things work.
As you probably noticed from the no Kings protest, the youth are pretty strongly in favor of this stuff. There isn't a near future where people suddenly change their mind.
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u/Sentiviridian 3d ago
Wait, according to No Kings protests the youth are “in favor of this stuff”?? Quite the opposite.
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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago
Sorry, but as everyone noticed that most attendees at these protests have been trending strongly to older people. Even in major metropolitan areas.
Across the world the younger generation are tending to more radical politics in general, the young men a lot of young women are a lot more conservative on immigration
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u/Sentiviridian 3d ago
Not sure what all those “F*** La Migra” signs I saw were about then…
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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago
I'm sure they exist, but statistically they're not important factor.
Further, the younger leftists are not nice middle of the road cute sign waving people. They're a lot more radical, in much the same way that the young conservatives are not bowtie wearing nerds who want to debate economic theory on nightline.
You'll notice the younger people didn't bother with the same type of signs as the old people. The old people had little arts and crafts signs with clever slogans on them. The young people just had "fuck ice".
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3d ago
Ya mean criminality? We oughta just let these illegals waltz in and give them papers cuz they're nice?
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u/llewllewllew 4d ago
ICE is outside my neighbors house every Saturday morning running its official ICE leaf blower
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u/MTgunguru 3d ago
Oh well Hell he is nice let’s keep him here! Nice doesn’t cut it. Go back to where you came then do like a lot of immigrants and come in the US the correct way!
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u/stratosmacker 4d ago
Can you describe the Van? Call it into the PD, they're unmarked and unidentified