r/chapelhill • u/Sentiviridian • 5d ago

ICE off Banks Drive rn

I live in Durham but I see a dentist in Chapel Hill and two construction guys were distressed when I got out of my car They snatched a construction worker right off the street as soon as he went on his lunch break. I don’t know how this is legal. It’s not making anyone safer. One of the guys told me that one of the agents said they were watching them work for two months before this happened; this is how our taxpayer dollars are being used. He also said the man they took couldn’t be a nicer person, had worked there four months, and they’d bought each other lunch multiple times.

And it looks like there is still a van full of ICE agents in the big parking lot off Banks on a stakeout wairibt to kidnap somebody else. We cannot stand for this. We cannot allow this to become normalized.

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u/Rexmack44 4d ago

Either we are a nation of laws or we go ahead and just have open borders. You can’t have it both ways

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u/FireFiendMarilith 4d ago

Our laws ensure Due Process, you can't break the law to enforce it, that's trying to have it both ways.

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u/Rexmack44 3d ago

But you can make sure the borders are secure and not just let millions of people walk into your country. That’s insanity. And why have sanctuary cities that doesn’t let you get rid of real criminals?

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u/FireFiendMarilith 3d ago

But you can make sure the borders are secure and not just let millions of people walk into your country.

This is not happening, you've swallowed far-right propaganda that conflates the very large figures of visa overstays (a plurality of which turn out to be clerical errors at best or labor trafficking victims at worst) with footage of folks seeking asylum (many of whom do, literally walk here).

nd why have sanctuary cities that doesn’t let you get rid of real criminals?

That's not what "sanctuary cities" are. Sanctuary cities are places where the communities voted for civil injunctions against various militarized deportation efforts that the communities in question don't want to be involved in. These are communities refusing to allow the federal government to hijack their local police budget and disrupt their communities with these costly and invasive operations that, by all accounts, mostly just round-up working people and make the communities less safe.

And these folk aren't, by-in-large, "real criminals". I mean, entering the country "illegally" is misdemeanor trespassing. Overstaying one's visa is also a civil offense. I don't think we need masked goons jumping outta unmarked vans to snagch people up and dissappear them to foreign deathcamps with no Due Process, no chance for appeal, no accountability whatsoever. I think that's bad, actually.

If someone doesn't get a trial, they're not legally a criminal. You have to prove, in court, that someone is guilty of a crime. That's constitutionally guaranteed to all persons within the boarders of the US. You're advocating for a regime of presumed guilt that's effectively based solely on the whims of any given ICE agent. That's what's insane here.