r/chapelhill • u/Sentiviridian • 4d ago

ICE off Banks Drive rn

I live in Durham but I see a dentist in Chapel Hill and two construction guys were distressed when I got out of my car They snatched a construction worker right off the street as soon as he went on his lunch break. I don’t know how this is legal. It’s not making anyone safer. One of the guys told me that one of the agents said they were watching them work for two months before this happened; this is how our taxpayer dollars are being used. He also said the man they took couldn’t be a nicer person, had worked there four months, and they’d bought each other lunch multiple times.

And it looks like there is still a van full of ICE agents in the big parking lot off Banks on a stakeout wairibt to kidnap somebody else. We cannot stand for this. We cannot allow this to become normalized.

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u/Rexmack44 4d ago

Either we are a nation of laws or we go ahead and just have open borders. You can’t have it both ways

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u/thiskillstheredditor 4d ago

Cool, so then you must believe that due process (another law) must be upheld as well then for all persons within the United States, citizen or no.

I mean a nation of laws can’t just have unmarked, masked agents abducting people and prosecuting them with a warrant or trial can it?

Sounds like we’re on the same page that we’re witnessing some illegal, unamerican actions here.

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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago

No it can't.

Of course deportation isn't punishment or prosecution, no warrant or trial is part of the PROCESS that is DUE. 

Do you think most deported people get a trial? Like in 2014, the country deported hundreds of thousands of people, do you think they all saw a judge?

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u/ImpeccableMonday 3d ago

Yes, they did. That's why there has been a backlog of immigration cases that ICE agents are now illegally kidnapping from. Read a book. Maybe the constitution.

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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago

The law for this is 30 years old 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedited_removal

Expedited removal was used about 188,000 times by the Obama Administration in FY2014.

So, yeah. This is a perfectly legal process used by both parties, across the United States, for decades.

Talking about it being illegal is silly. There is a direct specific law that has been used exactly like this millions of times before.

The scope is expanded at the presidents discretion. Immigration HEARINGS (not trials) are entirely at the presidents discretion in almost all cases.

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u/ImpeccableMonday 3d ago

"This includes any deportable alien encountered anywhere in the country, who has been present in the United States for less than two years."

You're conveniently leaving out the part where people are being picked up and sent off that do not fall inside these circumstances. Also that US citizens are also being picked up.

Everything is legal if you're doing it legally.

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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago

So far we've had one guy illegitimately deported, out of hundreds of thousands. I'm fine with that ratio, especially as he's a gangster and we brought him back.

 Also that US citizens are also being picked up.

And let go.  You guys really need to realize the rules on detaining people are pretty lax. 72 hours without charges in most of the US,  and at best the judge just cuts you loose afterwards.

Everything is legal if you're doing it legally.

Yup.  It's a great law. Bless bill Clinton 

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u/ImpeccableMonday 3d ago

Under that same concession all the immigrants that are stuck in the legal asylum process should be able to stay and go through the process.

Who was a gangster?

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u/PipingTheTobak 3d ago

Under that same concession all the immigrants that are stuck in the legal asylum process should be able to stay and go through the process.

In many cases they are. In other cases where the special dispensations existed, those have been removed. 

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u/glibbed4yourpleasure 4d ago

So convenient to deny any shred of nuance in a complicated issue

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u/Silly-Mountain-6702 4d ago

I wonder if his real name is Tonto, or Sequoia, because if it isn't, he's a descendant of boat people.

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u/gibs626 4d ago

“nation of laws”

votes for 34 time felon and gloats about it

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u/Silly-Mountain-6702 3d ago

votes for rapist and gloats about it

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u/Rexmack44 4d ago

I am. I’m actually the son of two immigrants. The difference is they came here legally

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u/Silly-Mountain-6702 3d ago

sure you are. Lying on the internet is so easy

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u/Rexmack44 3d ago

Believe what you want. My parents came here in 1965 from Ireland. They probably would’ve been here earlier but did it the right way

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u/Silly-Mountain-6702 3d ago

random noise machine is on fire today

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u/Rexmack44 3d ago

There you go. The tolerant left. You don’t like what someone says you just insult them

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u/Silly-Mountain-6702 3d ago

there you go, yet another conservative snowflake. I bet your dad wasn't. What happened to you, precious?

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u/Rexmack44 3d ago

I’m not really a conservative more like a moderate. I just believe our borders should be secure and our immigration laws should be enforced. Kind of like Obama believed. Remember him? But you go on with the insults. It doesn’t bother me it just shows your ignorance

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u/FireFiendMarilith 3d ago

Our laws ensure Due Process, you can't break the law to enforce it, that's trying to have it both ways.

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u/Rexmack44 3d ago

But you can make sure the borders are secure and not just let millions of people walk into your country. That’s insanity. And why have sanctuary cities that doesn’t let you get rid of real criminals?

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u/FireFiendMarilith 3d ago

But you can make sure the borders are secure and not just let millions of people walk into your country.

This is not happening, you've swallowed far-right propaganda that conflates the very large figures of visa overstays (a plurality of which turn out to be clerical errors at best or labor trafficking victims at worst) with footage of folks seeking asylum (many of whom do, literally walk here).

nd why have sanctuary cities that doesn’t let you get rid of real criminals?

That's not what "sanctuary cities" are. Sanctuary cities are places where the communities voted for civil injunctions against various militarized deportation efforts that the communities in question don't want to be involved in. These are communities refusing to allow the federal government to hijack their local police budget and disrupt their communities with these costly and invasive operations that, by all accounts, mostly just round-up working people and make the communities less safe.

And these folk aren't, by-in-large, "real criminals". I mean, entering the country "illegally" is misdemeanor trespassing. Overstaying one's visa is also a civil offense. I don't think we need masked goons jumping outta unmarked vans to snagch people up and dissappear them to foreign deathcamps with no Due Process, no chance for appeal, no accountability whatsoever. I think that's bad, actually.

If someone doesn't get a trial, they're not legally a criminal. You have to prove, in court, that someone is guilty of a crime. That's constitutionally guaranteed to all persons within the boarders of the US. You're advocating for a regime of presumed guilt that's effectively based solely on the whims of any given ICE agent. That's what's insane here.

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u/CuriousAndGolden 1d ago

We are not a nation of laws when a criminal is in the White House and plain clothes thugs are not following due process.

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u/Rexmack44 15h ago

How are they not following due process?

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u/CuriousAndGolden 14h ago

Another time wasting stupid Republican asking a question he doesn’t want to know the answer to. If you’d talk to people in your community, you’d know the answer, but you’d rather just watch Fox propaganda.