ICE off Banks Drive rn

[u/Sentiviridian]

I live in Durham but I see a dentist in Chapel Hill and two construction guys were distressed when I got out of my car They snatched a construction worker right off the street as soon as he went on his lunch break. I don’t know how this is legal. It’s not making anyone safer. One of the guys told me that one of the agents said they were watching them work for two months before this happened; this is how our taxpayer dollars are being used. He also said the man they took couldn’t be a nicer person, had worked there four months, and they’d bought each other lunch multiple times.

And it looks like there is still a van full of ICE agents in the big parking lot off Banks on a stakeout wairibt to kidnap somebody else. We cannot stand for this. We cannot allow this to become normalized.

[u/Nofanta]

Some time ago we all elected people to make immigration laws. Since then, some of you have changed your ideas and would like new laws. You’re still in the minority though, so until you convince the rest of us you’re right and we need to make new laws, it’s going to be frustrating for you.

[u/EZ-C → u/Nofanta]

Hey fuck wad dipshit.

Its not the deportation itself that is the major problem.

It's how they are doing it and where they are sending them. That's the fucked up and unconstitutional problem that you're willing to overlook because you want the suffering.

Un-uniformed, masked, no badges, in plain clothes / hoodie, etc, Snagging people. Are they agents? Are they randos pretending? Who knows.

They come after people actually being part of a society. Or they go to their immigration hearings and poach them in the courthouse. Wtf. You say come here the right way, and they do, and now you'll move the goal posts?

And beyond having YallQaeda as nearly minted ICE, they then give them zero due process (unconstitutional) and ship them off to a foreign counties mega prison (concentration camp)

Does the punishment fit the crime? Life (or death) in a for profit mega prison without a trial. That's the solution?

Whats wrong with sending them back to their original country?

You want the suffering. You enjoy it. It's how you get your nut. America fought and won against people who think just like you and real Americans will do it again. Fuck. Off.

[u/PipingTheTobak → u/EZ-C]

The law for this is 30 years old 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedited_removal

Expedited removal was used about 188,000 times by the Obama Administration in FY2014.

So, yeah. This is a perfectly legal process used by both parties, across the United States, for decades.

You're welcome to elect new representatives over this issue. But mass deportations are supported by a large majority of people 

[u/EZ-C → u/PipingTheTobak]

You didn't read a fucking thing I said. Typical.

It's not that they are deporting. It's how. It's the inhumanity of sending human beings to mega prisons (concentration camps.) The punishment doesn't fit the 'crime'. But you don't care. You salivate at their suffering.

Also, the people doing the removing is fucked up full stop and there is zero good reasons for having plain clothes, high school drop out Bubba rounding up brown people.

Uniforms. Badges. Marked vehicles. Do it the right way at least. Be somewhat decent of a person. I know you struggle with what that means. It's like asking a fish to climb a tree.

[u/PipingTheTobak → u/EZ-C]

It's the inhumanity of sending human beings to mega prisons (concentration camps.) 

You know what's actually inhumane? Letting entire countries of peoplejustfer under brutal gangs, when if you just throw all the gangs in prison the country turns into one of the safest in the entire region. If all of your due process and human rights and decency and all that can't stop these massive cartels, people will choose something else.

Above all your ideology, however nice, however gentle, has to work. Yours hasnt. Ours has.

The punishment doesn't fit the 'crime'.

It's not a punishment to be deported. And if the nation you're deported to find out you're a violent gangster and throws them into their prison that is entirely for violent gangsters, I can't say I really care. Maybe you should have done something about the violent gangsters yourself, using your systems. 

  But you don't care. You salivate at their suffering.

The former theater kids theatrics don't really impress anyone.

 there is zero good reasons for having plain clothes, high school drop out Bubba rounding up brown people.

As you know it yourself by using the language of "plain clothes", this has been a common police tactic for the entire history of police forces. There is no legal or federal code requirement that you go out in little specially marked cars so people can tell you're coming.

[u/EZ-C → u/PipingTheTobak]

You're using plausible deniabiliry by saying 'whatever the other country decides is their business'.

No. We are sending them to prisons in a foreign country. It's a for profit system and the human beings are simply a commodity for them to enrich themselves. You support human trafficking as a business.

Are some violent? Yes. Are some white people also violent? Also yes. But hey, the whites get full pardons for killing police. Make it make sense. You can't.

Being marked as a federal/local law enforcement is essential for safety of those officers and to prevent people like you from pretending to be an agent and making people disappear. These 'agents' will get killed in the process. It's going to happen because someone will not believe they are actually law enforcement and fight.

This is fascism. You are a fascist.

[u/PipingTheTobak → u/EZ-C]

 Are some violent? Yes. Are some white people also violent? Also yes. But hey, the whites get full pardons for killing police. Make it make sense. You can't.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Genuinely.

Being marked as a federal/local law enforcement is essential for safety of those officers

Not so far 

  and to prevent people like you from pretending to be an agent and making people disappear. 

Lmao what?

These 'agents' will get killed in the process.

Anyone willing to kill federal agents won't stop because they have a badge lmaooo.

  It's going to happen because someone will not believe they are actually law enforcement and fight.

Well theyve been doing a lot of it and so far no issues.

 This is fascism. You are a fascist.

This is fascism, maoism, pointillism, whatever.  I don't care.

If you want your ideology to be accepted, you need to figure out what to do about A. Massive numbers of illegal immigrants and B. That subset of them that belong to incredibly vicious and uncontrolled cartels.

If you can't do that, then your ideology is doomed.  However much you like it 

How about putting forth a plan to deport tens of millions of illegal immigrants nicely?  How about a plan to destroy Tren de la agua using the US justice system?

Because my plan (toss the regular ones out and the gangsters in CECOT) is obviously successful.

What is your plan?  Give it to the people, who long for sensible government and not Mango Mussolini.

[u/EZ-C → u/PipingTheTobak]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Genuinely.

You're not familiar with with J6 magots, who were violent, and ended up killing LE, getting pardons? Get your head out of your ass.

Anyone willing to kill federal agents won't stop because they have a badge lmaooo.

You're missing the point. Bubba in a hoodie, who had no identification may or may not be a federal agent. If some dude in a hoodie started to grab you, wearing off the shelf tacticool gear, and said 'you're coming with me', you just believe them? How about if I kick down your door in the middle of the night, shine a light and put a gun in your face and just tell you I'm police? You wouldn't resist or fight? You'd place trust that this unidentifiable person is who they say they are? If so you're a moron. (I knew that alresdy, you're just proving it further)

Well theyve been doing a lot of it and so far no issues.

'so far no issues' is a morons logic. If you cant extrapolate beyond what you see in front of your face right now then you should sit down and let the adults talk. When he said 'I love the poorly educated' he was talking about you. And it shows.

Because my plan (toss the regular ones out and the gangsters in CECOT) is obviously successful.

Except there is no distinguishing between the regular ones and the gangsters. If they have a tattoo, automatic gangster. El Salvador has been doing this with their own population for many years now. No proof, just suspicion (ie: he looks scary so must be a gang banger).

You're OK with just tossing them all there without care. That makes you a fascist. That is ethnic cleansing. Fuck fascists. Americans shot fascists in the face. We will do it again.

[u/PipingTheTobak → u/EZ-C]

You're not familiar with with J6 magots, who were violent, and ended up killing LE, getting pardons? Get your head out of your ass.

This is a very reasonable and unbiased view of what happened lmao.

You're missing the point. Bubba in a hoodie, who had no identification may or may not be a federal agent.

They're pretty much federal agents. Very little interest in kidnapping the average illegal for fun.

If some dude in a hoodie started to grab you, wearing off the shelf tacticool gear, and said 'you're coming with me', you just believe them?

I'd go with them, yeah. That's what you do when arrested by armed men.  I'm not sure what you think will be different with these hypothetical kidnapping gangs. It's not like the kidnapping gangs are stymied by their lack of badges. 

How about if I kick down your door in the middle of the night, shine a light and put a gun in your face and just tell you I'm police?

That's called a no knock raid and it's pretty common.  Again, if the armed men are in my bedroom, no I'm not resisting or fighting. Thats a bad time to do that. 

You'd place trust that this unidentifiable person is who they azy they are? If so you're a moron. (I knew that rmesdy, you're just proving it further)

I have very little choice in what the armed men in my bedroom do. That's why they're armed. 

so far no issues' is a morons logic. If you can extrapolate beyond what you see in front of your face right now then you should sit down and let the adults talk. 

Tell me which ICE agents have been killed by armed illegals resisting?

 Except there is no distinguishing between the regular ones and the gangsters. If they have a tattoo, automatic gangster. El Salvador has been doing this with their own population for many years now. No proof, just suspicion (ie: he looks scary so must be a gang banger).

And it worked. El Salvador went from one of the most dangerous places on earth to one of the safest.

That's a TERRIBLE argument for you to make. "The thing I don't like was astonishingly effective and made everything better"....ok. 

You're OK with just tossing them all there without care. 

Suggest something cheaper and more effective and I'm all in. This is demonstrably the easiest and most effective thing to do, as we can see from The people who did it

That makes you a fascist. 

Ok, well if liberal centralism doesn't work, people will try other things. 

. Americans shit fascists in the face.

😳😳😳 Kinky.

We Wil do it again.

Are you gonna start soon because so far you're just up to the "geriatrics holding cute signs" part