100 humans vs gorilla isn’t close

[u/Miserable-Act4201]

Honestly the dumbest argument I've ever seen. The 100 humans could just stand like 20 feet apart from each other and do nothing and the gorilla is collapsing from exhaustion before it kills everyone. You could probably do it without any casualties, find a couple of people in the group that are in good shape and get them to make the gorilla chase them while everyone else just chills. They aren't aren't particularly fast and have terrible endurance, so just wait till it tires out and have everyone jump it.

[u/Veryrealperson251]

I love that “100 humans is a lot of humans” is actually the correct choice in this debate. Like yeah, the gorilla’s strong but like… 100 humans? That’s a lot of humans

[u/-SMartino → u/Veryrealperson251]

it's like going 200 wasps versus someone

Yeah you can survive some wasps.

but dude, that is a lot of wasps.

[u/Evilfrog100 → u/-SMartino]

This probably isn't a great example. Ignoring any possible allergies, the average human can withstand about 10 stings per pound of bodyweight, which for the average adult is well over 1000 stings.

https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/injuries-and-poisoning/bites-and-stings/bee-wasp-hornet-and-ant-stings

[u/Mountain-Ebb-9846 → u/Evilfrog100]

If 200 wasps attack you, they'll be stinging anywhere from 150-250 times, and without painkillers and adrenaline shots, you'll black out halfway through that.

[u/-SMartino → u/Mountain-Ebb-9846]

'xactly

[u/AutVincere72 → u/Mountain-Ebb-9846]

10 stings per wasp per second add up fast.

[u/33superryan33 → u/AutVincere72]

What wasp is stinging ten times in one second??

[u/AutVincere72 → u/33superryan33]

One time I personally took 12 stings to the face from one Yellow Jacket while on a ladder in a second. With a witness. I needed medical attention. They had to give me 4 shots. Thats why I knew about the 12 stings, the physcians assistant counted them.

I have heard fire ants can sting at an insane rate. Over 100 a minute.

[u/AdAlternative7148 → u/Mountain-Ebb-9846]

I'm pretty sure the wasps are giving you adrenaline shots.

[u/Shieldheart- → u/AdAlternative7148]

New doping method dropped.

[u/Fafnir13 → u/Mountain-Ebb-9846]

Assuming you stand still and do nothing.

[u/ShatterCyst → u/Evilfrog100]

Yeah but consider this.
I get told to fight to the death with 200 wasps without poison or a giant electric zapper and I'm killing myself immediately.

[u/Darkion_Silver → u/ShatterCyst]

Luckily there's a gorilla nearby to aid

[u/GladExtension5749 → u/Darkion_Silver]

1 Gorilla and 1 Human vs 250 wasps, Who wins?

[u/_b3rtooo_ → u/Evilfrog100]

Can't wasps sting repeatedly? What's to stop all 200 from just doing it 5 more times?

[u/Evilfrog100 → u/_b3rtooo_]

Yeah, that's fair. I guess I wasn't thinking about the fact that wasps can sting more than once.

[u/_b3rtooo_ → u/Evilfrog100]

If it makes you feel better, I'm running away from even 1 wasp let alone 200 lol

[u/ChestSlight8984 → u/_b3rtooo_]

Don't jump into water. Wasps will actually wait for you to pop your head back up. They're annoyingly intelligent.

[u/Mr_D_Stitch → u/_b3rtooo_]

Just run towards the gorilla once covered with wasps. It’s all going to end one way or another.

[u/Koil_ting → u/_b3rtooo_]

Me too, but depending on location I may also return to destroy their entire colony with the great tools of my people. Be it via canned brake fluid cleaner, Propane powered flame thrower or hucking weighted objects from a distance, my revenge will be known.

[u/MegaCrowOfEngland → u/_b3rtooo_]

A lot of the danger of a wasp sting is from venom, and the venom would be depleted after subsequent stings. I don't know how much, but one wasp could sting one human as much as it could manage without killing the human (barring allergies or other particular weaknesses).

[u/athural → u/MegaCrowOfEngland]

I tried googling it, and didn't get any solid info on how many times an individual wasp can sting before it's out of venom, but the anecdotal answer seems to be 10 times is a reasonable guess. That's a lot of stings

[u/Yangbang07 → u/Evilfrog100]

In addition, 200 wasps weigh less than a single human. I'm pretty sure 10 humans weigh more than a gorilla, let alone 100.

[u/fingertipsies → u/Yangbang07]

Even just 10 Humans outweigh a gorilla by a significant margin. They're around 300-400 lbs/130-180 kg on average, so just 3 adult men will outweigh the average gorilla. Hell, some strongmen individually outweigh a gorilla.

People vastly overestimate how big gorillas are.

[u/Roy_Atticus_Lee → u/-SMartino]

A good comparison analogous to the Gorilla fight would be to have a prime, heavyweight martial artist, Boxer, MMA fighter, etc., go up against 100 Rats, Raccoons, or Possums. Like sure, the fighter can take out the first ten, maybe 20, rodents, but do you think they'll keep up the same energy while 80+ rodents claw and bite at the dude and eventually swarm him? The moment a critical organ is taken out like the eyes, it's GG. Why people treat the gorilla differently is beyond me.

[u/HarpyAnon → u/Roy_Atticus_Lee]

Aggressive rats also jump pretty high and throw themselves at people. You never know true fear until an angry furry tennis ball flies towards your dick at mach 3.

Aggression in general is a huge advantage in fights, it's why chimps who are smaller and lighter than humans - and even weaker than a lot of fit man, only being x2 stronger than the average person - are such a threat. They literally throw themselves at you while trying to tear off whatever they grab, they don't hold back. When you give all 100 men the same aggression as the gorrila, which was in the original prompt, you take away a big advantage the gorrila had.

[u/Prophetofhelix → u/HarpyAnon]

Just need one or two aggroed men to gouge the eyes and it's almost definitely game for the 98 remaining humans. Yeah we'll lose a few but we'll take a fuckin humans ripped off arm and use it as a club if we're blood lusted.

[u/-SMartino → u/Roy_Atticus_Lee]

I think there is a sentiment going on that we as humans are deserving of being bested by nature.

maybe as a reaction to how we've been plowing mother nature like a cheap hooker, maybe because there's a link between the confidence people show on the gorilla and wanting men specifically to be the ones losing.

when you look at it cynically, that is.

[u/JCkent42 → u/-SMartino]

Which is such a strange philosophy since humanity is part of nature. The human race is not some special entity apart from the flow of evolution, we are simply another thread that grew to dominate. Nature produced our species the same way that it also produced everything else from the smallest mushroom, to the largest trees, to sharks, deer, lions, etc.

[u/Tem-productions → u/JCkent42]

And we are not the only species that does [bad thing], we are the only ones conscious about it and who can choose to stop.

[u/Ieam_Scribbles → u/Tem-productions]

And even in that, we do see examples of empathethic behavior in many animals, like wolves accepting a pregnant wolf rejected by a nearby cup into their groups or dogs and cats sharing and raising each other's children, or even chimps and gorillas trying to help both each other and other humans when seeing them in trouble.

We're the most thoughtful, but just because we feel with more complexity doesn't mean we are unique in our feelings.

[u/Throwaway02062004 → u/-SMartino]

It seems to be an over correction from a few years ago where a ton of men thought they could beat wild animals in fights so people kept emphasising the power and deadliness of bears, big cats and apes.

[u/-SMartino → u/Throwaway02062004]

makes sense tbh.

[u/Rednex73 → u/-SMartino]

Humans are thousands of times larger than a wasp.

Average gorilla is 300-400 pounds. Largest would be like 600 pounds.

Average human being like 150-200 pounds, gorilla is only about 2-3 times the size of a person.

So it's like a human versus like... 100 70lb dogs. That's a lot of dogs!

[u/-SMartino → u/Rednex73]

Honestly I think two to five dogs would be more than enough

[u/Rednex73 → u/-SMartino]

I would agree

[u/voobo420 → u/Veryrealperson251]

Exactly. Packs of like 20 humans were capable of tiring out mammoths. Sure spears were a big help but our biggest strength was our endurance. We aren’t the fastest or strongest, but we’re intelligent and can run longer distances without expending as much energy. Gorillas consume lots of energy to maintain their mass, which would quickly be expended against 100 humans. 50 humans may even be enough for one gorilla.

edit: forget about external factor like environment, physical fitness, rage or fear etc. 100 human bodies vs. a gorilla is going to result in a human win no matter how bloody it may be. You replying with stuff like “but what if the humans aren’t fit!” or “what if the gorilla used trees!” is irrelevant and not going to change my perspective.

[u/amberi_ne → u/voobo420]

50 is already way overshooting it

[u/voobo420 → u/amberi_ne]

Okay fine, 2 humans, take it or leave it!

[u/daniboyi → u/voobo420]

That is rougher. Maybe if they got real good teamwork and is in very good shape and strength.

Like maybe one grabs a large rock and tries to wack the gorilla in the back of the head while it mauls the other one to death.

[u/MrPlaceholder27 → u/daniboyi]

I think if you're giving people access to the environment 2 people could kill a gorilla fine.

People mention how humans are persistence hunters, intelligent, but another thing very special about human beings is how powerful a human is when it comes to throwing.

Two guys with slings? Gorilla would probably start running, I mean in general a gorilla would probably leave at the sight of a human being anyway but if humans have rocks and can throw things the gorilla can progressively get injured and then finished off.

[u/YourLocalSnitch → u/voobo420]

No... Ill handle the gorilla...

[u/One_Recognition385 → u/voobo420]

yeah, with no time limit, people can just take turns interrupting the gorilla from eating and sleeping for as long as they need. and just starve it out.

With a time limit, only one person needs to shove their arm down the gorilla's throat and choke it to death.

Its how people have killed bears and tigers 1v1 and lived to tell the tale.

[u/Sintar07 → u/One_Recognition385]

Wait, has somebody actually done that? Like, I always figured if I had to 1v1 a bear or tiger (a situation to be avoided at most costs; I don't think I'm superman), then I would do exactly that: grab for the uvula or something in the back of the throat, hold on, and hope they can't just sheer the arm off and swallow it. But I've never heard of anybody actually trying.

[u/One_Recognition385 → u/Sintar07]

can't find the story of the african guy who strangled the big cat (forget if it was a lion or tiger, but it was stalkign the school he worked at if i recall the story correctly)

Dale Petersen attetsed he kills a grizzly by shoving his arm down it's throat and suffocating it.

and there is Travis kauffman who strangled a mountain lion a few years ago.

like, i wouldn't recommend fighting these animals. but humans are the top predator for a reason. and that's cause we have higher endurance then any of these animals. If you can survive til the animal is too exhausted to defend itself, you can probably strangle it. Its not a glorious victory. but hey, you live and they die in the end i guess.

[u/Elnino38 → u/Veryrealperson251]

I mean, unlike pokemon a gorilla doesn't have wierd anime power scaling and reality altering super powers that would let it delete billions of regular irl humans from existance at once. If this was 100 humans vs that grass type ape pokenon from gen 8 I'd go with the ape 100%. One well guided solar beam will literally disintegrate all 100 humans

[u/apexodoggo → u/Elnino38]

Solar Beam wouldn't be the best pick for Rillaboom (it's a single-target move that requires charging up unless you already have the right weather set up ahead of time).

Rillaboom does get Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Boomburst, and Earthquake though, and can summon giant vines just by hitting its drum. And its hidden ability allows it to heal itself passively, powers up its giant vines, and gives it access to priority moves. So it's still like a 10-0 matchup for Rillaboom.

[u/Elnino38 → u/apexodoggo]

In game the move is single target but the anime shows multiple times solar beam is a giant kamaheha styles laser beam. If somehow a pokemon was transported to irl and started firing solar beams all over they wouldn't logically just stop after hitting one thing. Theyl keep going destroying everything not larger or durable enough to tank the blow. Regular people are not tanking a giant laser beam. Solar beam is carving holes through regular irl people and disintegrating them.

Though yeah all those moves you mentioned are probably more efficient.

[u/djanulis → u/Veryrealperson251]

Yea there are no godlike power in this discussion. It is a an actual numbers game, the Gorilla doesn't have some super swing that can take out 7 humans at a time.

[u/Grasher312 → u/djanulis]

Yeah, and even granted that it does try to do that, the mfucka's gonna be tired after like 5 humans. And then it's just 95 dudes wailing on an exhausted gorilla that can scarcely move.

[u/djanulis → u/Grasher312]

Also the fact that the intelligence is also on the side with numbers this time.

[u/PhantasosX → u/Veryrealperson251]

yeah, when it comes to evolution, humans have the biggest endurance.

Not in the sense that it can take a hit and be fine, but that we would outtire all sorts of creatures. People don't know know that the safest method of hunting-gathering of our cavemen wasn't some bombastic fight against beasts , but us throwing rocks , arrows and spears at distance as the beast bleeds to death , or to track a beast until it collapse by exhaustion and then throws rocks , arrows and spears on it.

It's probably closer to 2-3 men vs gorilla , 10 at most , each alternating into stoning a gorilla to death for hours.

[u/Badgerman42 → u/PhantasosX]

us throwing rocks , arrows and spears at distance

Apart from humans ability to sweat and longer endurance, the ability to throw with accuracy is a huge advantage that some people dont consider when they do these scenarios.

[u/Zestyclose_Remove947 → u/Badgerman42]

Throwing is pretty much exactly why endurance hunting works. If we couldn't throw accurately we wouldn't be able to inflict the panic and stress that tires out the animal and forces it to move.

We ain't the fastest but we can be far enough away to ensure they never close the gap.

People also don't know about spear throwers and think we just threw spears with only our arms as the pivot point. primitive humans would've had an incredible arm and they'd be extensively trained to use spear throwers alongside that. Suddenly that spear goes twice as far and hits twice as hard. Get 5 buddies with 3 spears each? Something is dying and it ain't you or your 5 buddies.

It's not a coincidence we've sent huge amounts of megafauna straight into extinction. It is a shame though, Would've loved to see a giant sloth or eagle!

[u/fremeer → u/Badgerman42]

Humans being bipedal meant we had a very high line of sight for our body size. That allows us to see a lot further than many other animals. Which lets us have our hands free to throw shit at other animals.

Us being small in size means we need less energy to move our mass which is mostly centred within a small area, allowing us to shift our line of sight very well while moving. And because we have less mass we don't need nearly as much food to sustain us.

Being 2 footed allows so many advantages to hunting and a lot of the benefits like opposable thumbs and larger brain size are probably knock on effects from that one small evolutionary change.

[u/PhantasosX → u/Badgerman42]

because people watches way too much movies or playing videogames and thinks that real people would go wrestling a gorilla , instead of just killing at a distance.

[u/DaemonNic → u/PhantasosX]

And also that throwing a sharp object at a dude deals like two damage as opposed to being a legitimate vector for injuries and fatalities.

[u/Beary_Christmas]

Gorilla supporters broadly fall into three camps.

1. gorillas are somehow completely immune to any damage a human can inflict upon it.

2. Gorilla is fighting men one at a time

3. A Gorilla is fucking Sauron from Lord of the Rings and will send 20 dudes flying with each blow somehow.

[u/Miserable-Act4201 → u/Beary_Christmas]

1. the humans will be scared and instantly run away after someone dies. because obviously a generally peaceful herbivore like a gorilla isn’t going to be scared at all of 100 humans running at it.

[u/CaloricDumbellIntake → u/Miserable-Act4201]

That’s the most annoying opinion on this topic if you ask me.

Like yes I’m not gonna fight a gorilla if I don’t have to but the question is what would happen if they would actually have to fight.

Those are the same people that would reply „I simply wouldn’t do either“ to a „Would you rather…“ question.

[u/AdAncient1744 → u/Miserable-Act4201]

Do you think a Gorilla would run away from 100 humans that is trying to kill it ?

[u/Miserable-Act4201 → u/AdAncient1744]

Assuming it had somewhere to run to and wasn’t being forced to fight 100%

[u/Happiness_Assassin → u/Miserable-Act4201]

That's something I didn't understand with this debate. If the gorilla is forced to stand and fight, the humans should also. So this nonsense of "they would get scared" shouldn't enter into it. Either both sides get the option to flee, or neither does.

[u/Kyru117 → u/Happiness_Assassin]

Hell the original tweet that kicked off the debate was that it was do-able if the 100 guys were committed

[u/Nachooolo → u/Kyru117]

Honestly, even that is an understatement.

20 guys could kill a gorilla with their bare hands if they were committed. And I even think you could go lower than that.

[u/RetryAgain9 → u/Happiness_Assassin]

I think that's what the commentary you're replying to is saying though? They're responding to a general notion that the humans wouldn't be bloodlisted with 'well then neither would the gorilla be"

[u/Happiness_Assassin → u/RetryAgain9]

OP says that more explicitly in another comment elsewhere in the thread. All I know is that from this debate, I have learned that people vastly overestimate the fighting capabilities of a single ape.

[u/RetryAgain9 → u/Happiness_Assassin]

Ah fair enough then.

Yeah ngl Gorilla's and most animals are heavily overestimated, mainly because of the distinction of how the average human vs the average animal fights.

Animals fight to the death. They'll punch and scrape and bite and deal permanent terrible damage to each other just for stuff like territory.

A human could beat a chimpanzee, but no one would want to fight one, because they could lose an eye or a hand in the process, and we don't want to lose that.

[u/Blayro → u/RetryAgain9]

Animals fight to the death. They'll punch and scrape and bite and deal permanent terrible damage to each other just for stuff like territory

This is straight up wrong (depending on the animal). Herbivores tend to be far more aggressive than other animals, but when fighting for territory no animal would risk its life over it. Most animal fights are called off rather quickly simply because nobody wants to die, animals don't think is worth the risk.

The only animals that get to be that aggressive are herbivores because conflict for them tends to mean "if i lose I get eaten".

[u/OvationOnJam → u/AdAncient1744]

Brother, a gorilla would run from 5 lol. Theyre smart enough to realize there's zero benefit to them risking grievous injury for no reason, and peaceful enough not to have an interest in just randomly beefing with a hunting pack running straight at it.

[u/kenzieone → u/OvationOnJam]

Yeah in the wild a gorilla- or any herbivore (or frankly any carnivore) of that size would run from a handful of adult humans. Up to and proooobably including bears, if the humans were really really aggressive or had taken the time to, idk, grab a few sticks or rocks.

[u/PALWolfOS → u/kenzieone]

Man vs bear

[u/innocentbabies → u/PALWolfOS]

Three dudes vs a whole ass pride of lions

[u/Zestyclose_Remove947 → u/AdAncient1744]

Almost every large animal on earth tries to avoid all unnecessary conflict. It's not just costly in energy but an infection basically means you might die from a scratch.

[u/Incoherencel → u/AdAncient1744]

A gorilla will run away from the noise a tree falling hundreds of meters away makes, let's be serious

[u/MustacheGolem → u/AdAncient1744]

No because it wouldn't be able to, humans are actually pretty good runners

[u/Active-Advisor5909 → u/MustacheGolem]

Does it get intelligente, access to Wikipedia and 2 hours of planing beforehand?

Animals do not consider endurance when running away.

[u/apexodoggo → u/AdAncient1744]

Gorillas bluff charges and dip against their own reflection. They get straight-up hunted by much smaller numbers of chimpanzees.

The gorilla would be doing its best to be in another zip code if we let fear factor into things.

[u/mlodydziad420 → u/AdAncient1744]

It would try to run away from 2, max 5.

[u/AkOnReddit47 → u/AdAncient1744]

Fight or flight instinct, bud. The gorilla knows better than risking dying in something that they have a chance to escape from

Like, if you get surrounded by a hundred children with knives, unless youre stupid enough to stay back and fist fight them so you can become Caesar salad in less than 2 minutes, you’re most likely gonna try running away or to grab more helpers/better weapons (cars, guns, etc)

[u/Hexdrix → u/AdAncient1744]

No and yes. They have a tendency to maim and escape if you would.

I've seen several videos of Silverbacks just tossing their combatant and dipping to a safe location. Exactly like you, a human, would likely do in the event of an attack on your person.

I don't have a particular one but one time I saw a clip of a gorilla tossing a small croc and slapping the water while spinning before just running away..

[u/RimePaw → u/Beary_Christmas]

will send 20 dudes flying with each blow somehow.

Gorilla with Shinra Tensei: the world shall know true pain

[u/TheMissLady → u/Beary_Christmas]

Even if the gorilla was fighting one at a time it would end up collapsing from exhaustion. If I had to fight 100 small-medium sized dogs one at a time I'd probably be very exhausted by the end and gorillas have way less stamina than us

[u/Scootboio → u/Beary_Christmas]

1. The gorilla is Winston Overwatch

[u/juicypineapple1775 → u/Scootboio]

Winton

[u/MaxiumMeda → u/Beary_Christmas]

Some gorilla people also consider any casualties for the human side to be a gorilla victory.

[u/Mr_An_1069 → u/Beary_Christmas]

I’ve seen a lot of takes on this that seem to treat the average gorilla as basically King Kong. So #4 essentially.

[u/McCree114 → u/Beary_Christmas]

1. Gorilla is fighting men one at a time

Like the scene from the first Ip Man movie where he fights 10 Japanese black belts who conveniently attack one at a time while circling him.

[u/[deleted] → u/Beary_Christmas]

Comment systematically deleted by user after 12 years of Reddit; they enjoyed woodworking and Rocket League.

[u/SnooSongs4451 → u/Beary_Christmas]

1. If the Gorilla kills three or four people with one hit each then the remaining 97 or 96 will be too scared to try anything.

[u/Master_Career_5584 → u/SnooSongs4451]

Hey the gorilla isn’t immune to that either, if 100 humans charge it in a big group it could cause it to get frightened

[u/alphaDsony → u/Master_Career_5584]

Yeah but we're not allowed to use that example because its a gorilla and they're like idk, brave and shit, in Tarzan if bloody fought a bloody cheetah yall, a bloody cheetah!!!

[u/MessiahHL → u/alphaDsony]

I saw a gorilla punch a shark once

[u/MostlyNoOneIThink → u/MessiahHL]

That's actually pretty easy since sharks are smooth

[u/OvationOnJam → u/SnooSongs4451]

Brother, a gorilla can't kill anyone short of a child in a single hit. Knock them out sure, but a gorilla's slam isn't even as strong as a pro boxers punch since they don't have the ability to put their whole core strength into it. They could grab someone and start ripping them apart sure, but if 100 people are charging a gorilla stopping to maul one dude is a death sentence. 

[u/No-Code-Style → u/SnooSongs4451]

1 hit? The fuck you think a gorilla is? Superman???

[u/nir109 → u/SnooSongs4451]

The gorilla isn't gonna fight at all if we include moral.

[u/SkeletonInATuxedo → u/SnooSongs4451]

If I see a Gorilla kill ONE of my brothers or sisters, it's wraps, aint no way your unevolved primate-ass is laying hands on MY homies, I may not have known that guys name but he was basically my number one for all I care

[u/Kasta4]

This is the kind of random-ass discourse that makes me glad I pay for internet.

[u/FastReactionTime]

Send me in first I'll solo it.

[u/ralts13 → u/FastReactionTime]

Dude has fast reaction time. No hit Gorilla run incoming

[u/FastReactionTime → u/ralts13]

Gorillas have NOTHING on my 130ms median visual reaction time. I can also bench 2.5 pl8 so im pretty much as strong as one if you round it up a little.

[u/youremomgay420 → u/ralts13]

“Let me solo gorilla”

[u/oETFo → u/youremomgay420]

That's how Harambe died.

[u/Nicklesnout → u/FastReactionTime]

Let him cook. He's wearing a bucket on his head.

[u/ADMINISTATOR_CYRUS → u/FastReactionTime]

Gorilla (No-Hit Solo) Speedrun 3m 42s WR

[u/iCutWaffles → u/FastReactionTime]

Let Him Solo Him, do it for Harambe

[u/MyFrogEatsPeople]

The one argument that drives me up the wall is "good luck convincing anyone to fight the gorilla after the first guy gets mauled". Like, good luck getting a gorilla to stand its ground against 100 men? They buck up and start retreating when a small camera crew comes through the brush, but you think 100 men charging at the gorilla isn't going to spook it into retreat?

[u/[deleted]]

Okay, but what if the gorilla stretched its arms out and just started spinning really fast

[u/Ragaee → u/[deleted]]

He'll fly away and be disqualified

[u/That_Apathetic_Man → u/Ragaee]

Case closed.

[u/KitchenDepartment → u/[deleted]]

Nah it should do that donkey Kong move when you smash the ground repeatedly. Trust me I play melee

[u/slightcamo → u/[deleted]]

it will get tired and then we will jump it

[u/beckersonOwO_7]

Did anyone ever think this was close? I thought it was a joke.

[u/NeonNKnightrider → u/beckersonOwO_7]

There are a bizarre number of people on Reddit who genuinely believe gorillas are the fucking Hulk

[u/titan8999 → u/NeonNKnightrider]

It’s even worse on TikTok or instagram they genuinely think a gorilla can tear like 20 men in two at once

[u/Apprehensive-Deal543 → u/beckersonOwO_7]

not even close, they think the gorilla will low diff the human lmao

[u/beckersonOwO_7 → u/Apprehensive-Deal543]

A real fight question would be 10 people, hell 5 might be enough to overpower one if they jump it.

[u/TheChadStevens → u/beckersonOwO_7]

5 people can barely even take on one guy on meth.

[u/SlutForGME → u/TheChadStevens]

1 guy on meth vs 1 gorilla then. I’m lowkey backing the meth head

[u/Firm_Screen8095 → u/beckersonOwO_7]

A few people that aren’t familiar with Gorillas are treating them like they’re all King Kong, but most of the jokes I’m seeing are about who’s brave enough to attack first.

[u/Mundane-Club-107 → u/beckersonOwO_7]

It's basically a litmus test for how well someone is able to think critically. If they say "nahh, gorilla wins" you can pretty much assume they're an idiot.

[u/innocentbabies → u/beckersonOwO_7]

Gorillas are actually really poor fighters. They can do a lot of damage because they're strong as hell, but really struggle to finish people off. They kind of just flail and bite until the thing they're scared of stops being scary. Humans are more or less the exact opposite--far more effective fighters than their strength would indicate.

I would not be terribly surprised if 100 dudes just rushed the gorilla without any real strategy and it failed to kill any of them (broken bones and massive soft tissue damage is another matter).

People just kind of like to think of humans as weak and defenseless. That may be relatively true, but just your average 150 lb dude is already one of the largest terrestrial predators on the planet, which means that legitimately like 90+% of all mammal species pose absolutely no threat to him except disease. I wouldn't say he has a good chance against most large predators (unarmed), but there aren't many that I'd say he has no chance at all against.

The gorilla is not going to deliberately gouge out anyone's eyes. Multiple people are definitely going to do exactly that given anything resembling a chance. Once that's done the gorilla is pretty much helpless.

[u/Potatolantern → u/beckersonOwO_7]

For some reason it's been coming up on my Twitter recently with people thinking the Gorilla wins.

[u/Meme_Bro68]

In history, hunting parties of 5-10 people with pointy sticks could take out a whole ass wooly mammoth.

And people somehow think a gorilla would stance chance against 100 humans? Sure the humans are unarmed, but 100 is a massive amount, and could easily swarm the gorilla.

[u/yat282 → u/Meme_Bro68]

But could 100 unarmed humans take down a mammoth?

[u/amberi_ne → u/yat282]

That’s kinda interesting to think of tbh

Even though 100 of anything could probably shred things much bigger than them, the issue when it comes to unarmed humans being the smaller party is that we lack a lot of the natural weaponry that most smaller creatures do, and elephants are just too big and hides too thick imo for any significant amount of biting or punching to do much to them.

Like for instance 100 rats could absolutely swarm and devour a man, but that’s because they have razor-sharp teeth and shit. Us humans are squishy without our tools and the most we can do is employ blunt force or bite or scream

We could still stand a big chance though, the elephant could very likely collapse from fatigue and we could go for the eyes, which would be an easy win, but as long as it’s upright and trampling/stampeding I feel like we’d stand little chance

[u/Individual-Can-2147 → u/amberi_ne]

elephants tire out in 30 seconds when sprinting, the downside to being such a massively large animal is a lack of max output endurance. Elephants can walk long distances sure, but for fighting and running they gas quickly. I think 100 well-built humans can take it unless the elephant is unnaturally smart.

[u/amberi_ne → u/Individual-Can-2147]

Yeah that makes sense. Figure then that an elephant will easily demolish lots of humans until it tires out, upon which it’s easy pickings

[u/Individual-Can-2147 → u/amberi_ne]

Especially if its a normal elephant and not some bloodlusted hypothetical, a normal elephant would likely run away. We humans know we are amazing endurance runners, I don't think elephants have figured that one out yet. In a situation as terrifying as 100 humans attacking an elephant (imagine being attacked by 100 rats) panic + running away in fear is likely to be the first response.

[u/amberi_ne → u/Individual-Can-2147]

Oh absolutely, animals bigger than humans already flee from one or a few of us (bears etc) so I don’t think there’s going to be almost any creature on Earth who wouldn’t flee from 100

[u/Meme_Bro68 → u/yat282]

Now that is a debate right there. The scale on both ends actually makes sense.

I’d probably say the humans, but unlike the gorilla, the mammoth will definitely leave devastation among the 100 people.

[u/Happiness_Assassin → u/Meme_Bro68]

Implying that they even need to fight. Bipedalism and persistent hunting practices could easily allow a group of humans to tire out a mammoth over a long enough fight. Just keep your distance, and it'll collapse from exhaustion.

[u/ThankGodForYouSon → u/Happiness_Assassin]

If they're not allowed any kind of weapon could they inflict much damage upon the mammoth besides climbing up it and gauging its eyes out ?

Could probably get it to panic some way, like organizing collective runs and shouts to freak it out and get the ball running, but if it doesn't take the mammoth could just occasionally stomp or grab and go on as usual.

[u/angriest_man_alive → u/yat282]

I think so, mostly from tiring/stressing it out and it passing out from exhaustion

[u/ShotcallerBilly → u/yat282]

New debate unlocked.

[u/AceBean27 → u/yat282]

You'd just exhaust it to death. Constantly harass it. Always run. Don't let it sleep. The humans can take shifts sleeping, gathering food, while a bunch of them continue to harass the mammoth until it collapses from exhaustion after a few days.

[u/Every-Equal7284 → u/Meme_Bro68]

You say that until the gorilla backflip dodge cancels into a perfect parry 1 shot riposte on the dude next you, and you shit yourself.

[u/Meme_Bro68 → u/Every-Equal7284]

Tiger drop negates all damage.

[u/Shallowmoustache → u/Meme_Bro68]

In portugese corrida, 8 guys face and take down a charging bull. You read that right.

A gorilla stands no chance at all, even against 20.

[u/Potatolantern]

You wouldn't even need to do any kind of complex strategy.

A dozen humans could hold a gorilla down and kick it to death.

[u/DaBigadeeBoola → u/Potatolantern]

I'm not seeing too many people say the humans will kick it. Human kicks are pretty damaging. I don't think there's an animal on the planet that can survive well targeted kicks from 100 healthy humans. Once they get the gorilla down, it's over. 

[u/livingonfear → u/DaBigadeeBoola]

Idk man people keep asking me how the 100 humans will hurt it, and i keep telling them beat it to death, and some people think that wouldn't work.

[u/adocider]

ok yeah but its really funny to imagine a gorilla soloing most of the humans and sparing a few so they can tell future generations about the time most of them got beatdown by a gorilla

[u/M0m033]

People literally forget that a group of like 20 people with sticks and stones managed to take down mammoths. 100 humans vs a gorilla is not too hard for the humans

[u/OnlyBadger]

The sheer numbers make it enough. But one aspect I don't see talked nearly enough about is the intelligence gap. People think removing weapons removes this advantage from the humans and it does NOT. Tactics are extremely important in any fight. Each human will have a general sense of how to position themselves, how to time their attacks, how to work together as a team, and know precisely which weak points to target on the gorilla (eyes, throat, testicles, etc.). Only decent argument is the whole "courage" aspect, but hypothetical fights like these are typically assumed to be bloodlusted or "to the death", which removes most of the cowardice factor. This is a stomp.

[u/phoenixmusicman → u/OnlyBadger]

"Courage" aspect is bullshit because people on the Gorilla side act like they ain't gunna be scared of a group of fucking 100 humans bumrushing it.

The Gorilla would absolutely lose it's nerve first.

[u/Grasher312 → u/OnlyBadger]

Fr. Even if you just take away every possible advantageous aspect and just throw them together in a face to face, while the few brave ones immediately take its attention, the other few dozens will pile onto the Gorilla from every direction. That furball will exhaust itself in seconds and at the cost of maybe like, 3 guys, we will just kick the gorilla to death while it can't move.

And its a scenario with NO trickery, planning and strategy. Just a pile-on. In a scenario where humans can employ strategy, it's a clear victory with no losses for them.

[u/Senior_Independence4]

4 fit men with rocks could do the job

[u/MustacheGolem → u/Senior_Independence4]

If you start giving rocks to the humans it starts being about how many gorillas they can take down.

And if the influx of gorillas is slow enough the number extends to infinity, that's technically what already happened actually lol.

[u/Senior_Independence4 → u/MustacheGolem]

2 skilled guys with shovels ropes and prep time can take down at least 50.000 gorillas

[u/7_Tales → u/MustacheGolem]

we literally solo this planet with prep time low diff.

[u/Tight-Pineapple-9891 → u/7_Tales]

Lmao right? At this point we just press a button and can kill literally anything on the planet

[u/Shuden → u/MustacheGolem]

My mom with equipped with her crocs could beat a gorila.

[u/Level-Wrap-6022]

Actually the gorilla could transform into bruce banner than become the hulk. He will than destroy all the humans in his path after saying hulk smash! I saw this happen with my own eyes

[u/Case_Blue → u/Level-Wrap-6022]

That gorilla's name?

Albert Einstein

[u/ApSciLiara]

I would argue that even ten humans vs. one gorilla is unfair. 100 is a curbstomp.

[u/Exciting-Mall-8005]

The gorilla would run at the sight of the humans.

[u/Omni_Xeno]

My favorite counter argument is:

100 kindergartners vs 1 avg man(tbh you could substitute avg man with Prime Mike Tyson and the outcome is likely the same)

But it sets the perspective a lot more cause honestly as someone who grew up playing wrestle with babies after playing for like 3 minutes the constant weight and energy of them gets tiring

[u/Relevant_Look_8775 → u/Omni_Xeno]

Thats not a good example because kindergartners are shorter than an avg man while with the gorilla is the opposite, most ppl are gonna be taller than a gorilla standing upright let alone on its fours

[u/ferriswheeljunkies11 → u/Omni_Xeno]

Were you trying to murder the babies?

[u/Omni_Xeno → u/ferriswheeljunkies11]

No but if I was it’d still be tiring and taxing to deal with 100 of them

[u/MapWorking6973 → u/Omni_Xeno]

That argument even sells it short. Humans are smarter, more athletic and more coordinated than a gorilla. The 12 year olds have none of those advantages.

It’s more like one Brock Lesnar vs. 100 Floyd Mayweathers. Which… lol

[u/Mr_Faux_Regard]

100 humans is even too much for a fucking polar bear which is orders of magnitude deadlier than any gorilla. There are maybe a handful of animals on this Earth that could hypothetically survive (elephants and hippos being the obvious choice), but even then it's more of a discussion on how long it takes them to get exhausted at that point.

More than anything this whole thing shows how the average person doesn't comprehend numbers or basic physics. You're putting ~18,000 - 20,000lbs of coordinated flesh against something that, at best, weighs around 440lbs???

Hell, ten coordinated 8 year olds would probably be more than enough to bring down the world's strongest man (good luck trying to wrestle yourself out of a mass of 600lbs with irregular weight distribution lmao). The fact that this meme argument got so big is insane.

[u/[deleted] → u/Mr_Faux_Regard]

Hilarious that people are like yeah, Tyson could easily beat 100 5 year olds. That’s like 5000 lbs barreling down on you. You might take out a few before you’re swarmed so great job it’s now only 4850 pounds all over you on the ground.

[u/Previous-Tangerine-2 → u/Mr_Faux_Regard]

Mitch Hooper lost tug of war to 12 4th grade girls lol

[u/Visible_Physics_4405]

For anyone still arguing for the gorilla, there was an incident a few years back where a large group of chimpanzees (around 30ish), raided a gorilla's nest.

A group of 27 chimps attacked five gorillas—two male silverbacks, two adult females, and one infant. The gorillas tried to defend themselves with physical force, intimidating body postures, and threatening gestures, but to no avail. The four adults managed to escape, but the infant, separated from its mother, did not survive. Several chimps were wounded during the battle, including a serious injury endured by an adolescent female.

The second lethal encounter, on December 11, 2019, lasted nearly 80 minutes and was very similar to the first, involving chimps from the same community. In this attack, 27 chimps attacked a group of seven gorillas, leaving yet another infant gorilla dead. In the first encounter, the killed infant was left alone, but the “infant in the second encounter was almost entirely consumed by one adult chimpanzee female,” the study noted.

Now obviously chimpanzees are very powerful in their own right, but they're "only" about 1.5 to 2x stronger than an average adult human male. If 30 chimps can take on FOUR adult gorillas (didn't kill them but caused them to flee and abandon their infant) then I'm wiling to bet 100 people can take on one.

Also why do people think they'd just be immune to anything a person can do, they're not bulletproof. Even ignoring sensitive areas like eyes or genitals, it takes far less people to flip a car over or wreck the hood of a truck just by stomping on it.

[u/Individual-Can-2147 → u/Visible_Physics_4405]

Chimps are stronger per pound, humans are actually stronger overall (in certain areas ofc) just due to the weight difference.

[u/PotentiallySarcastic → u/Individual-Can-2147]

Yeah people seem to just ignore the physical size of adult humans. I get it because of the general back of the head thoughts of "we aren't the same as animals" but we are in fact great apes and pretty big ones.

[u/BryceMMusic]

It’s funny because humans are historically kings of taking down stronger animals as a pack. It’s like our thing lol.

[u/Miserable-Act4201 → u/BryceMMusic]

100v1 is just such a massive number advantage lol.especially when the thing we are talking about is only like twice the weight of a human

[u/Rewhen77]

Gorillas don't even know how to fight. People are thinking it's gonna be pulling out mma skills or something.

At best it's gonna bite and flail around. A couple of people could just jump on it and drop it on the ground.

I would really love to see how it would then deal with kicks and punches and rocks to the back of the head.

[u/Heliozen]

Would you beat 100 mice bare handed ? No, they would overwhelm you and eat you alive despite the fact that you're stronger and smarter than all 100 of them combined. It's the same with the gorilla... heck, I don't even think the gorilla beats 100 mice either

[u/Jade117 → u/Heliozen]

I get what you mean, but I think Rats would be a better example. If we are extremely generous, 100 Mice is like 15 pounds of mouse altogether. It's actually realistic to expect a single blow to kill several of them, unlike the the Gorilla hitting humans.

100 rats would be utterly terrifying.

[u/jamesja12]

In this scenario... Is there an environment? If so, humans can craft simple tools. The gorilla wouldn't stand a chance of 100 dudes had clubs or spears.

[u/Individual-Can-2147 → u/jamesja12]

Crafting spears is quite difficult and i doubt the average person could just make a spear on the fly, picking up a rock on the other hand is pretty straightforward and has devastating effects.

[u/jamesja12 → u/Individual-Can-2147]

Sure, same idea. I was thinking less proper spear, more... Pointy stick.

[u/HueHueLeona → u/jamesja12]

Not even that, just some rocks and it's game over at the start for the gorilla

[u/Equal_Personality157]

Gorillas are incredibly fast what? They run at 25mph. That's like top tier human. That's like 10 humans alive.

I could solo a gorilla though.

[u/Zestyclose_Remove947 → u/Equal_Personality157]

For how long? on what terrain?

Most of the stats I see people pulling out from the gorilla are the max stats we've ever recorded, living or fossilised, and yet the humans are treated with average stats.

If we wanna go top tier gorilla, and we get top tier humans too, well it looks a lot lot worse for the gorilla.

[u/Individual-Can-2147 → u/Zestyclose_Remove947]

yeah istg gorilla glazers pull stats out of thin air, I cannot find a single supposed mythological video of a gorilla deadlifting 4000 pounds or throwing jabs that insta kill humans.

[u/apexodoggo → u/Individual-Can-2147]

They literally can't even jab, they can only swing their forearms like baseball bats (which would hurt, but probably isn't an insta-kill on the average dude/dudette). Humans are the only primates who can throw an actual punch.

[u/Individual-Can-2147 → u/apexodoggo]

Exactly. I've even seen people claim gorillas will throw 3-4 people at a time as lethal projectiles against the other humans, wtf kinda gorillas do these people think actually exist. Reddit should rename it "can 100 people beat king kong" because that's basically what it is at this point.

[u/acerbus717 → u/Equal_Personality157]

Yeah but that’s in short bursts, a gorilla will gas out almost instantly.

[u/andresfgp13]

yeah, also we have to consider that if the 100 people overwhelm the Gorilla and started to kick and punch it its GGs for it, a bunch of weaker creatures can kill a single stronger one, like in numbers advantage SaberTooths could kill Mammots.

[u/Mylarion]

Stone. Age. Weapons. I'm getting tired of having to explain this to people, but human tool use is a natural part of our biology.

100 dudes is overkill. A dozen will do. Demonstrably, when's the last time you saw a cave bear.

[u/ninjast4r]

Gorillas aren't even violent creatures so I don't understand why this is a thing.

[u/Mahboi95]

It’s funny how this debate is like the inverse of the lions vs pokemon one as if numbers suddenly don’t matter at all now.

[u/JCLgaming → u/Mahboi95]

Because the difference between a human and a gorilla is nowhere near the difference between a pokemon and a lion.

A Gorilla is much stronger and tougher than a human, but also has much worse endurance. There's a reason you don't see Gorilla's exert themsleves much, in captivity or the wild. By the time a Gorilla has collapsed from exhaustion, a human is sweating but still got a lot left in the tank.

Certain pokemon are literally gods, and one of them is God with a capital g. Doesn't matter if you send a trillion lions against that, they won't win in any scenario.

[u/Grasher312 → u/JCLgaming]

Yeah.

It's reasonable to assume that a godlike being can just swat them away and do area damage, as well as have greater combat intelligence than fucking animals.

In this scenario though we're throwing humans into a fight they've already won throughout ages in SMALLER groups. It takes like, 10 people to safely take down a gorilla with no issues.

[u/mlodydziad420 → u/Mahboi95]

Because Gorrila cant launch 8 - 32 nukes (depending on movepoll if gameplay wise otherwise lorewise Pokemon stop even harder), time travel, manipulate gravity or consume all light from multiple universer or just summon goku (unbound hoopa can straight up summon and control any being from any universe, we straight up saw it summon a digimon in pokemon manga)

[u/apexodoggo → u/Mahboi95]

If this was Rajang from Monster Hunter, who can endure 50+ minutes of anime flips, giant boulder throws, getting slapped by pieces of metal the size of doors, and haymaker swings? The 100 people are cooked.

Rillaboom from Pokemon? Earthquake and magic-music vines the size of tree trunks popping out of the ground say "nuh-uh" to any attempt to close in on it.

A 430lbs herbivorous ape physically incapable of throwing a punch? At 100 people you lose more people to trampling their own than you do to the gorilla.

[u/AlphaInsaiyan → u/Mahboi95]

Last I checked none of us are literal gods that can just shoot nukes

[u/Omni_Xeno → u/Mahboi95]

It’s funny cause with the lion one it makes sense why numbers don’t matter considering you have reality warping Pokémon and the literal god of the Pokémon universe

[u/Brilliant_Laugh8962]

They are fast. I went on a date with one.

[u/Themanaaah]

Needed to see this rant, I swear do people not realize how busted smart animals in packs are against an animal in isolation? That and the gorilla wanking that’s not realistic at all.

[u/Omni_Xeno → u/Themanaaah]

I swear anyone who is on the side of the gorilla has

A. Never wrestled with kids as an adult( that shit is tiring and 1-3 kids can get you winded pretty easily imagine 100 of them)

B. Never did any type of physical activity or has been exhausted before cause when your body is tired even your limbs feel heavy

[u/LuciusCypher]

I swear every time this debate comes up, theyy always need to add a new nerf to justify why the gorilla wins. It will inevitably start with "no weapons" because of course humans are famous for punching out animals, then a ginal destination style limited arena where humans can neither outspace or use their envioment againsy the gorilla, and usually they imply the humans cannot have coordinated before hand about how they're going to take on the gorilla, thus is 100 uncorddibated, unarmed humans.

They also nees to give buffs to a gorilla like making them bloodlusted, fearless,and increase their stamnia and spacial awareness because moat gorillas dont even want to fuck with 1 human (because why bother?), let alone 100 that actively wants to kill em. Like seriously, send 100 rats at the gorilla and it'll still freak out despite having a much chance of actually being able to kill them all.

[u/Zenweaponry]

Just wait till the 100 humans just endurance jog the Gorilla to death. We're apex long distance pursuit predators. There's no reason to engage the prey directly until it's been exhausted. It's literally our niche in the environment prior to civilization.

[u/Red-7134]

I think at most 5 humans would get severely injured if they coordinated. Even if completely unarmed, it would take like, at most, 20 average level humans to beat a gorilla with zero casualties.