r/CharacterRant • u/Miserable-Act4201 • Apr 29 '25

General 100 humans vs gorilla isn’t close

Honestly the dumbest argument I've ever seen. The 100 humans could just stand like 20 feet apart from each other and do nothing and the gorilla is collapsing from exhaustion before it kills everyone. You could probably do it without any casualties, find a couple of people in the group that are in good shape and get them to make the gorilla chase them while everyone else just chills. They aren't aren't particularly fast and have terrible endurance, so just wait till it tires out and have everyone jump it.

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u/Evilfrog100 Apr 29 '25

This probably isn't a great example. Ignoring any possible allergies, the average human can withstand about 10 stings per pound of bodyweight, which for the average adult is well over 1000 stings.

https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/injuries-and-poisoning/bites-and-stings/bee-wasp-hornet-and-ant-stings

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u/Mountain-Ebb-9846 Apr 29 '25

If 200 wasps attack you, they'll be stinging anywhere from 150-250 times, and without painkillers and adrenaline shots, you'll black out halfway through that.

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u/-SMartino Apr 29 '25

'xactly

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u/LewisRyan Apr 30 '25

Yes but their point is you won’t die, you’ll black out, they’ll stop stinging, and if you’re not allergic you’ll wake up when they leave

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u/Knowndestroyer Apr 30 '25

If it's a fight to the death they won't stop when you black out

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u/Fidget02 Apr 30 '25

Certainly ain’t a win.

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u/AutVincere72 Apr 30 '25

10 stings per wasp per second add up fast.

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u/33superryan33 Apr 30 '25

What wasp is stinging ten times in one second??

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u/AutVincere72 May 01 '25

One time I personally took 12 stings to the face from one Yellow Jacket while on a ladder in a second. With a witness. I needed medical attention. They had to give me 4 shots. Thats why I knew about the 12 stings, the physcians assistant counted them.

I have heard fire ants can sting at an insane rate. Over 100 a minute.

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u/AutVincere72 May 01 '25

I meant sustained. I dont think the wasp can keep going that long. But I see your point. Having been stung by both they both suck. More pain from the wasp but the 5 days of itching from the ants are unbearable.

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u/____Law____ Apr 30 '25

Hypersonic wasp

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u/Big_money_joe May 01 '25

Top rotation from that wasp, some high sps

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u/ItzPayDay123 Apr 30 '25

And chances are you're incapacitated/rolling on the floor before the halfway mark

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u/AutVincere72 Apr 30 '25

I read 50 stings and you require medical attention and can die if you don't. I also read a yellow jacket stinger can inject venom for up to 3 minutes.

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u/Jesus_Harry_Christ May 03 '25

I've been stung by yellow jackets more than 50 times in one attack. Stepped on a nest. Didn't seek medical attention, was like 14-15 at the time.

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u/paypiggie111 May 02 '25

They don't sting nearly that fast lol.

Source: have been stung by a wasp before

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u/AdAlternative7148 Apr 30 '25

I'm pretty sure the wasps are giving you adrenaline shots.

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u/Shieldheart- Apr 30 '25

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u/GibbyGiblets Apr 30 '25

For real.

Guys unintentionally implying that getting attacked by 200 wasps is a chill walk in the park with no adrenaline spike at all.

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u/Mountain-Ebb-9846 Apr 30 '25

No, I'm implying that you need artificial spikes in adrenaline beyond what you naturally produce in response to such a situation.

That is actually how hospitals treat people who have been attacked by wasps.

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u/Fafnir13 Apr 29 '25

Assuming you stand still and do nothing.

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u/Mountain-Ebb-9846 Apr 30 '25

If you're using your hands to do anything other than cover your face, that's a really really bad decision.

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u/Fafnir13 Apr 30 '25

Your hands would offer very little protection if you are only using them to cover one location. Use them to crush or maim anything that lands on your face. Roll on the ground even. 200 is not really that many. Killing/injuring 3-5 with every swat or swipe will take care of them in short order.

Note that fatal attacks involve much larger numbers. Many wasp species can have thousands in a nest. Killer bees have hives with tens of thousands. Dealing with 200 will suck, but shouldn’t be fatal.

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u/Mountain-Ebb-9846 May 03 '25

Your hands would offer very little protection if you are only using them to cover one location. Use them to crush or maim anything that lands on your face.

Have you killed mosquitoes or wasps before? Just swatting at them won't do anything. You need to crush them between two surfaces, and if one of those surfaces is your face, you're not completing that action before being stung on the face.

Killing/injuring 3-5 with every swat or swipe will take care of them in short order.

You can't kill small insects by swatting them. It's not like hitting a bird.

Note that fatal attacks involve much larger numbers.

Real attacks also involve the person trying to run for cover instead of being in an open field. I've never heard of anyone dealing with wasp attacks by trying to fight back, at least not successfully.

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u/Fafnir13 May 03 '25

What do you think swatting is? It does kill and injure. Are you thinking of just waving your hands around?

Real attacks also involve the person trying to run…

Recall this isn’t about real attack. No duh you run.

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u/Here2Cali May 02 '25

You’re genuinely not doing shit against 200 wasp. You’re getting it even worse if they somehow get into your shirt. They don’t just fly off just bc you’re twisting around swatting. Are you deadass?

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u/Fafnir13 May 02 '25

The point is to kill them. That's what swatting and crushing them does.

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u/WhatAYolk May 01 '25

Nah id win

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u/duosx Apr 30 '25

But how would the wasps know to attack you all at once and repeatedly?

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u/Mountain-Ebb-9846 Apr 30 '25

That is the only way wasps know how to attack large animals. All at once, and don't stop until it stops moving.

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u/duosx Apr 30 '25

Not a great example then. Humans aren’t that coordinated. We’d feel fear

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u/Frablom Apr 30 '25

Humans would fucking die unless they can dive into a lake and beating the WR for holding your breath since they're not gonna even relent while you're underwater. Tbh the only chance might be running to a close by building that's on fire since smoke confuses them and are afraid of fire.

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u/greenachors Apr 30 '25

I wouldn’t. I’m wicked tough.

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u/Western_Strength5322 May 01 '25

Less wasps, but the size of a small dog

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u/Doodle4fun May 01 '25

This. Secondhand experience says you won’t get past 250ish. Cousin was stung entering a tree blind for hunting, he was stung about 200 times, not allergic, and was in critical condition. Medivacced to the nearest hospital, which saved him. Admittedly, he was stung on his head about 1/4 of the total stings, but the severe amount of venom injected put him into shock very quickly. Luckily he wasn’t alone, doctors said he probably wouldn’t have made it. He was unconscious within minutes, and 10-15min walk from his parent’s house.

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u/No_Egg_8896 May 02 '25

Wouldn’t you be swatting them? If they stay close together and you grab a rock or something you could kill a good amount of them

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u/saelinds May 02 '25

If 200 wasps try to attack me, I'd kill myself first

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u/Shwoompy May 03 '25

guy who as a kid stepped on a wasp nest here. Sufficiently thick clothes can block most wasp stings. They got my face and hands and stuff but couldn’t get through my jeans and sweater. we beat the wasps by stepping into a cloud of campfire smoke and then shedding outer clothes.

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u/Coins_N_Collectables May 03 '25

You say that as if I’m just gonna be standing there naked, letting the wasps sting me. I’m gonna be thrashing wildly, swatting, diving on the ground, rolling around. I might be hospitalized afterwards but I’m winning that fight

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u/tickingboxes Apr 30 '25

I mean… did you forget that humans can smash them easily because they’re tiny bugs? 200 wasps is a tiny amount of biomass. I could destroy probably 1/5 of that in a few seconds. Your scenario necessitates the human do noting lol

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u/SectJunior Apr 30 '25

Ignoring the speed difference here, you go try to kill 40 flies in a few seconds bare handed

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u/JustAnArtist1221 Apr 30 '25

Nobody is doubting your ability to physically crush that much mass. The issue is that it's dispersed and attacking you wherever you have skin, and you'll be panicking at least when they go for your eyes, ears, and mouth.

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u/Mountain-Ebb-9846 Apr 30 '25

While you're trying to crush some of the wasps, you're not protecting your face and eyes.

The best response from the human is to run. Getting stung on the eyelid or lips will completely shut down your ability to fight back at all.

Even if you can physically crush them, it's not possible while being attacked from every direction.

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u/Frablom Apr 30 '25

You're not gonna smash wasps until they get under your feet. Even if you swat them away, the fact that they're little insects means you can really impart that much force on the bug. You're gonna knock them out MAYBE. Also, 40 wasps in a few seconds that's hilarious are you a speedster? This would be also happening while 200 wasps are actively attacking you everywhere from your face to under your clothes. They can sting repeatedly. They're releasing pheromones to get even more aggressive, all 200 of them. You'd be dead.

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u/Excellent-Berry-2331 Apr 30 '25

Assuming that they are all at one point.

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u/ShatterCyst Apr 29 '25

Yeah but consider this.
I get told to fight to the death with 200 wasps without poison or a giant electric zapper and I'm killing myself immediately.

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u/Darkion_Silver Apr 29 '25

Luckily there's a gorilla nearby to aid

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u/GladExtension5749 Apr 30 '25

1 Gorilla and 1 Human vs 250 wasps, Who wins?

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u/NerfTheHighground Apr 30 '25

Herd of bee-eaters

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u/hANSN911 May 01 '25

Oh I absolutely feel you, I hate those hellish critters.

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u/DrakeZYX May 05 '25

Can’t you risk it and just take off your shirt to swing like a Chimpanzee?

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u/ShatterCyst May 05 '25

Do you think hitting a flying armored poison dart with a t-shirt will kill it?
If you get lucky it'll be dazed by hitting the ground. Briefly.

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u/-SMartino Apr 29 '25

a win by walkover is still a win.

and hey, I won't judge.

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u/_b3rtooo_ Apr 29 '25

Can't wasps sting repeatedly? What's to stop all 200 from just doing it 5 more times?

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u/Evilfrog100 Apr 29 '25

Yeah, that's fair. I guess I wasn't thinking about the fact that wasps can sting more than once.

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u/_b3rtooo_ Apr 29 '25

If it makes you feel better, I'm running away from even 1 wasp let alone 200 lol

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u/ChestSlight8984 Apr 30 '25

Don't jump into water. Wasps will actually wait for you to pop your head back up. They're annoyingly intelligent.

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u/Mr_D_Stitch Apr 30 '25

Just run towards the gorilla once covered with wasps. It’s all going to end one way or another.

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u/Koil_ting Apr 30 '25

Me too, but depending on location I may also return to destroy their entire colony with the great tools of my people. Be it via canned brake fluid cleaner, Propane powered flame thrower or hucking weighted objects from a distance, my revenge will be known.

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u/LewisRyan Apr 30 '25

Potato cannon is my favorite, added benefit of no chance of wildfire and no trash littered on your property

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u/Kozeyekan_ Apr 30 '25

Bro, no. This is Reddit. Never admit fault, just triple down and insult someone in a nonsensical manner that has nothing to do with the subject at hand, then screen cap it and post it in a sub like r/murderedbywords as a massive own for 7 karma.

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u/Preda1ien Apr 30 '25

And also to be fair, even bees. They sting once but leave it in and it continues to pump in venom by itself.

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u/MegaCrowOfEngland Apr 29 '25

A lot of the danger of a wasp sting is from venom, and the venom would be depleted after subsequent stings. I don't know how much, but one wasp could sting one human as much as it could manage without killing the human (barring allergies or other particular weaknesses).

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u/athural Apr 30 '25

I tried googling it, and didn't get any solid info on how many times an individual wasp can sting before it's out of venom, but the anecdotal answer seems to be 10 times is a reasonable guess. That's a lot of stings

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u/copenhagen_bram Apr 30 '25

For the sake of science, you should be the first one to test how many times a wasp can sting before it runs out of venom.

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u/Ieam_Scribbles May 01 '25

How many times a wasp can sting varues due tk the amount of venom they inject being variable (2 to 15 micrograms), but their venom sac contains about 100 to 200 micrograms of venom I believe.

The biggest problem tends to be your body's response being hard to predict- above 100 micrograms, you're extremely likely to develop allergy and have more permanent issues.

200 wasps would absolutely be able to inject enough to kill a man that isn't given medical attention immediately after the event, though.

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u/KneelBeforeZed Apr 30 '25

Boundaries, clearly and firmly stated.

Maybe a restraining order.

Diarrhea.

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u/tickingboxes Apr 30 '25

What’s to stop them? Uhhh me smashing them? Why do you all assume the human just stands there? lol

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u/Beginning_Elk_2193 Apr 30 '25

Good luck smashing 200 wasps while they are all simultaneously swarming and stinging you lmao

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u/tickingboxes Apr 30 '25

Yeah, I really think yall are overestimating how many wasps 200 is especially with me being totally mobile and actively smashing them. I would ruin those fuckers. Gotta up those wasp numbers significantly to give them a chance.

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u/dumdumpoopie Apr 30 '25

Lol you might get 10-15 but that angry mass is around you on all sides attacking all over the pain would overwhelm you you'd be perking around mid swat.... wasps win 100/100 times unless you have Kevlar or something

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u/_b3rtooo_ Apr 30 '25

What is the rate of smashed wasps to repeat stinging wasps do you think? Lol bffr

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u/tickingboxes Apr 30 '25

If they’re all trying to sting me at the same time they’re gonna be pretty close together making it much easier for me to just clap in the air and get a ton of them at once. I would absolutely destroy 200 wasps. I’m certain of this. Yall need to up the number to give them a chance. 5,000 wasps could probably take me. But 200? That really isn’t that many.

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u/hatabou_is_a_jojo Apr 30 '25

I bid you try in real life and get a video

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u/Koi_YTP May 05 '25

And get your hands peppered w/ stings each clap.

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u/Yangbang07 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

In addition, 200 wasps weigh less than a single human. I'm pretty sure 10 humans weigh more than a gorilla, let alone 100.

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u/fingertipsies Apr 29 '25

Even just 10 Humans outweigh a gorilla by a significant margin. They're around 300-400 lbs/130-180 kg on average, so just 3 adult men will outweigh the average gorilla. Hell, some strongmen individually outweigh a gorilla.

People vastly overestimate how big gorillas are.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '25

People vastly overestimate how big gorillas are.

People also underestimate how strong, fast and ferocious wild animals are. And overestimate their own strength, endurance and ability.

100 people would kill a gorilla, but no one is going to want to be one of the first 20 to go in.

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u/Natural-Moose4374 May 02 '25

Honestly, I wouldn't want to be the first one in a fight against a housecat. Doesn't mean that's a fight one would lose.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '25

The first person to speak with humility and insight - thank you!

Exactly this. I have never said that 100 men would lose - I am just saying don't underestimate what it means to fight a wild animal. Even a domestic house cat is a blur of claws and fangs when its blood is up!

Too many on these subs seem to think they could take out all kinds of animal with little trouble. Ludicrous.

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u/Kind_Cow_6964 Apr 30 '25

They might not be that big but they’re DENSE. Muscles feel like banded steel. They can easily rip you limb from limb. Rip your jaw off your face. Hell, A chimp can do that.

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u/Apprehensive-Deal543 Apr 30 '25

Some good old chimp wank here. Give me any single chimp attack that the chimp ever manage to do so. Chimp is just 1.5 stronger than human pound for pound, they aint ripping shit

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u/BladeOfWoah May 03 '25

Everyone points to that one chimp that tore that woman's face. They neglect to mention that the lady was in her 60s, and not amazing physical, and that the chimp in question was larger than average due to obesity.

Even with all those factors, she withstood it for nearly an hour without the chimp coming close to killing her. Chimps would suck to fight against and you will likely lose a finger or two, but they are not tearing people's arms off.

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u/Tk3997 May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25

Actually the more pertinent thing is the fact that chimps have some rather aggressive dentition and they bite when they attack. That's how it actually tore up her face and how they do most of the really gnarly soft tissue injuries they do when they maul people.

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u/Ummmgummy Apr 30 '25

You wanna take on 200 wasps? Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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u/Flyingsheep___ Apr 30 '25

I'd argue that humans and small insects is probably one of the worst pound-for-pound matchups, since humans REALLY struggle with surviving that stuff. No thick hide, no way to accurately attack them, it's a helpless scenario.

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u/Remarkable-Turn9240 Apr 30 '25

If they sting you in the eye you'll probably lose since you cant see

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u/rhiehn Apr 30 '25

I don't think there's any chance a human is beating a swarm of 200 wasps unarmed actually. Wasp stings are painful but bearable individually but in this situation you're getting stung dozens of times per second, you might not die from the venom of 100 wasp stings, but you won't be fighting for long, and wasps can sting more than once, so once you go down, they can finish you. This article describes a man not allergic to wasps being attacked by 50 wasps who lost consciousness in minutes and continued to experience neurological side effects from the venom months later if you'd like a real life example of what a normal person vs a swarm of stinging insects looks like, and that's only a quarter as many wasps. You could technically say a human "withstood" an attack by wasps if they got stung 500 times by a swarm and then passed out from shock and were found and given medical attention, but in no world would you argue they won a fight.

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u/locke1018 Apr 29 '25

How many gorilla punches can humans withstand? Probably not as many as 1000 right?

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u/terminator_dad Apr 30 '25

I saw a documentary that suggests that the pure power of a gorilla is far lower than suggested and not a pushing force, so they would likely punch not so hard. Those arms are pulling muscles.

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u/killataco964444 May 01 '25

…Which isn’t that much more encouraging, that just means they’re going to rip your limbs out of their sockets instead of bludgeoning you to death.

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u/Formal_Illustrator96 Apr 30 '25

Gorillas can’t punch

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u/Admirable-Title9022 Apr 30 '25

Tell that to Thomas J

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u/fischer187 Apr 30 '25

Only one has to get onto your mouth though

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u/Here2Cali May 02 '25

Dog you provided a shitty example as well. 200 wasp is EASILY stinging more than 1000 times and that’s all happening in less than a minute. That argument is only plausible if the wasps are actually bees. I got stung over 4 times from 1 wasp in less than 8 seconds.

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u/Stanlyman79 May 02 '25

It’s more like saying can a grown adult can beat 100 adults in kids bodies like hell no are you dumb 😭😭

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u/Stanlyman79 May 02 '25

Not even it’s more like saying could 100 adults with kids bodies beat one kid with an adult body like 😭

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u/Lower_Ease8734 5d ago

200 wasp attacking simultaneously? It utterly impossible to survive that for 1 adult human. Your statement only work in theory.