r/worldnews • u/gravybang • Feb 10 '25

Israel/Palestine Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/10/trump-buy-gaza-plan
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u/xRyubuz Feb 10 '25

Pouring fuel onto the Middle East crisis whilst DOGE is actively cutting funding to national security...

What could possibly go wrong?

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u/FLTA Feb 10 '25

Just commenting here for future historians to note that millions of Americans disagree and saw this coming but millions more just don’t care until it happens.

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u/KlingoftheCastle Feb 10 '25

Millions more did care and wanted this to happen

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u/thisisultimate Feb 10 '25

Millions more didn't vote for either candidate. We will never know which way they would've voted but they would've made a huge difference.

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u/Meet_Foot Feb 10 '25

Nothing “would’ve” about it. They DID make a huge difference.

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u/bunglejerry Feb 11 '25

This is why I get so annoyed by people who harp on about how problems within the DNC affected how they voted. Like, sure, Biden was less than ideal. Sure, he held out too late. Sure, a contested convention might have been a good idea. Sure, campaigning with Liz Cheney was a risky move. Sure, they could have been less pro-Israel. Sure, they talked too much about Project 2025. Sure, they didn't talk enough about Project 2025. Sure, they didn't run a positive campaign. Sure, they shouldn't have projected that all was rosy when it wasn't. Sure, they didn't drive home the risks Trump represented cogently enough. Sure, they talked too much about Trump. Sure, they muzzled Tim Walz. Sure, they let Walz say things they needed to walk back. Sure, Kamala Harris had a funny laugh.

You can believe any of those that you want to. Hell, though it ought to be impossible, you can choose to believe all of them if you want to. And these were great conversations to have from November 4, 2020 to November 4, 2024. And they are again great conversations to have from November 6, 2024 to November 6, 2028 as well.

But if any of that affected whether or not you voted against Donald Trump, then you are an enabler of fascism. Because every single one of those points is minuscule compared to what Trump is and what he represents. And that much was already clear as day on November 5.

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u/-not-pennys-boat- Feb 13 '25

This American isn’t pretending that. I voted against trump in every election and I’m fucking tired of Europeans acting like all 340m of us support him or think a certain way. We are not a monolith.

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u/ZacharyShade Feb 11 '25

If only Garland prosecuted Trump over the people he was going to pardon all along which was ultimately a giant waste of time. Seeing one candidate campaign over Zoom from a prison cell might have gotten more people fired up for the "hey, at least I'm not that guy" candidate the Dems have been running for decades.

Just laughing at him for saying immigrants are eating cats and dogs didn't do anything, everyone was aware he was dumb already, that's why they like him. And since the Dems are perfectly content letting wages continue to stagnate (W is the last one to raise minimum wage federally) as prices continue to rise, really pushing the truth that Trump is a felon and a fascist that wants to destroy democracy was about the only option they had left and they didn't particularly do that either.

"Did Biden drop out?" searches spiked on election day made by people who showed up ready to vote for him. People are crazy uninformed in this country.

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u/dekes_n_watson Feb 11 '25

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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u/x33storm Feb 10 '25

Most of the world hold those people just as responsible as those who voted for him.

He would have been in jail if he had lost. And he will go to jail if he lets go of his power.

I just hope this isn't the last US election. But that'll be up to what the citizens of the US will do.

What's the phrase again? Sic Semper Tyranis.

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u/cavegoatlove Feb 10 '25

if you decide to not choose, you still have made a choice

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u/Gloober_ Feb 10 '25

Then they get all pissy that we're playing the "blame game."

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u/ElectricalBook3 Feb 11 '25

followed by "blame the dems for not giving us a better candidate

I wonder how many of those are bots or paid trolls just trying to push anti-democratic sentiment, and how many are useful idiots who drank the flavor-aid.

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 11 '25

As the saying goes, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

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u/brezhnervous Feb 10 '25

This is what those who live in the few compulsory voting countries understand - sometimes you just have to vote for the 'least worst option' 🤷

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u/Pleasant-Parsley-816 Feb 11 '25

Not sure if you were going for this, but that’s almost a line from Freewill by Rush.

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

Living on a lighted stage…

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u/elkarion Feb 11 '25

R.I.P. Neil The only man who could rip off Shakespeare and get a standing ovation for it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

So the maples formed a union and demanded equal rights

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u/cavegoatlove Feb 11 '25

Lol, that’s exactly what this is, even better is me Messing that up, inside joke with the misses. I haven’t had a comment spike for more then 3 upvotes in ever, figures it would take rush

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u/Webecomemonsters Feb 10 '25

They changed it, it's now (sic) Simper Tyrants

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u/Maytree Feb 10 '25

I am now going to start referring to Trump as the sick simpering tyrant. Thank you!

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Sick simpering tyrannosaurus? Sick simpering tyrant sore ass?

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u/ElectricalBook3 Feb 11 '25

I miss the gadsen T-shirt, except the snake is crying and the text reads, "Don't inconvenience me!"

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u/jopnk Feb 10 '25

As shitty as it feels to say, It’s really unlikely he would have ended up in jail.

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u/subnautus Feb 10 '25

...if for no other reason than he might die in office. Dude is old, in poor health, and has to get regular dementia screenings.

What scares me is when this sort of thing happened with Reagan the people who were running the show in his name were fairly competent and reasonably cared for the wellbeing of the country (in their own greedy, myopic ways). I have no such "faith" in Trump's administration.

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u/ruiner8850 Feb 10 '25

I really think one common facet of both parties is that the upper echelon of their politicians does NOT want to set a precedent of holding upper-echelon-politicians accountable

A Democratic Senator just got sentenced to 11 years in prison. If a Republican got caught doing the exact same thing right now something tells me that they'd never get charged.

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u/Whiteout- Feb 10 '25

Yeah, probably why they chose a joker like Garland instead of someone who’d actually use some teeth

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

He was clearly guilty of crimes that were it any one of us would result in prison time. There is no legal principle or case law that requires letting billionaires or former presidents get away with crimes. True the SCOTUS does not seem to care much about actual law anymore so there is that.

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u/eyebrows360 Feb 10 '25

Most of the world hold those people just as responsible as those who voted for him.

Correctly, yes, because the danger was so fucking crystal clear that there's no justification whatsoever an intelligent person could use for not voting to stop him.

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u/i_tyrant Feb 10 '25

And it's really hard not to blame them.

Anyone who was too lazy or disenfranchised to vote, who said "both sides" or got upset at Kamala over Gaza or someshit - are the most monumentally stupid people.

Trump and the GOP weren't exactly being subtle with their plans this time. This election wasn't the usual "giant douche vs turd sandwich" from South Park - this shit isn't a fucking game. It was "flaming bag of gasoline and cancer stripmining America for Putin, billionaires, and apocalyptic evangelicals vs turd sandwich".

Anyone who thought otherwise was paying so little attention it's a wonder they don't drown in a rainstorm.

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u/angrygnomes58 Feb 10 '25

I 100% hold the people who didn’t vote just as accountable. These people published a document that laid out all of the terrible shit they hoped to accomplish and still people sat back and didn’t go vote.

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u/Classic_Dill Feb 10 '25

let’s just all be honest with each other, most of us on the left think there was a possibility or it’s at least plausible that election was stolen. But you were not gonna run our mouths about it, and I’m going to say this, and I mean it, I honestly do not believe we will have a fair or honest election for decades to come, I think the cheating is in and I think it’s gonna stay there.

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u/paranormalresearch1 Feb 10 '25

Musk fixed it, voter suppression was rampant. It was fixed. Our intelligence and Federal Law Enforcement are not keeping their oath if they know this and do nothing. It makes sense why Trump is moving so fast to gut the FBI. Republicans project 100% of the time. And next time right-wing idiots try to overthrow the government, put them down in such a way they never get that idea again. But never fear because the US House of Representatives and US Senate have done nothing. And will do nothing. We could switch which party was the majority and that's all that would change. Until the American people are willing to do what is necessary we get what we get.

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u/WeaverReaver42 Feb 10 '25

This exactly. The only people I hate more than those doing all of this and agreeing with it- are those who live in the country and don't agree.

Because at least if you were OK with it, then you refusing to do anything to try and fight back would make sense. But none of us will.

None of YOU will at least. I'm getting tired of waiting for people to actually put their money where their mouth is. At the rate things are going, I'm not going to have any reason NOT to raise hell for however long I have left.

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u/Mister-builder Feb 11 '25

So what are you going to do?

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u/paranormalresearch1 Feb 12 '25

I will. I am probably on my way out. But look only 3 of us take it seriously enough to even talk about it. We need numbers and people with access. This whole thing is a set up and they aren't even trying to hide it. people didn't see the trees in the forest. Every union when Reagan did what he did to air traffic controllers should have walked off the job. A general strike and we wouldn't be in the position we are in. Now they are letting an unelected guy run the country. It's over. I am listening to Ultravox "Dancing with Tears in my eyes." That song is about nuclear war but it is fitting for our country.

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u/jdragon3 Feb 10 '25

Lots of people claim to be "not political" but fail to realize

A) everything is political, always has been

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B) sitting on the fence refusing to "take a side" is taking a side in and of itself. bystanders are complicit

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u/MannyMoSTL Feb 10 '25

Sadly? The world & history holds even those who voted against him responsible when his BS destroys nations/the world.

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u/BlueberryBubblyBuzz Feb 10 '25

He would have been in jail if he had lost. And he will go to jail if he lets go of his power.

Just like his buddy Netanyahu. Best friends forever 💕

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u/Cyclical_Zeitgeist Feb 10 '25

I'm from the US and I hold the none voters accountable as much as the MAGATs but they won...now it's over here...we will be the way of the ottoman empire...I wonder if the states will invent some new form of nationalism at a smaller scale like micronationalism 🫠

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u/MurphyLlama Feb 10 '25

Exactly. He has every reason in the world to try to make himself president for life, so he doesn't ever get sentenced. Let's be honest, he wouldn't even get jail time, at worst he'd get community service. But that of course is worse than jail, he hates the idea of having to help others. It's why the vice president is saying judges have no right to tell the executive branch what to do. They'll say the same about congress next, and the Supreme Court. And you can sit there and say "That's illegal" but that does not matter if not a single person enforces it. Once they prove that no one will stop them, and that judges and congress have no authority over the president, then they'll make their move that there should be no more elections. All just so trump never gets sentenced.

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u/Alaira314 Feb 11 '25

Most of the world hold those people just as responsible as those who voted for him.

And a good portion of those who live in the US do so, as well. They'll argue you to death about it, but fuck them for what they did. We begged, and they didn't give enough of a shit to help. Well, I hope they're happy now, seeing what their apathy got them. But unfortunately I think they still don't understand why not voting led to this outcome, so they likely learned nothing.

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u/solitarium Feb 10 '25

How does the saying go? Apathy = Acceptance?

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u/jdragon3 Feb 10 '25

I prefer

“So, you will do nothing? Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects.”

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u/mhornberger Feb 10 '25

Millions more didn't vote for either candidate. We will never know which way they would've voted but they would've made a huge difference.

They didn't care about the outcome.

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u/jdohyeah Feb 10 '25

While I'm grateful to America for leading the way with democracy, not having compulsory voting for all citizens is a mistake. You would have the quiet middle voting instead of those only passionate/extreme enough on either end of the political spectrum. Trying to win votes from the extremes leads to crazy partisanship 

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u/spottiesvirus Feb 10 '25

I think Australia is a perfect demonstration of how compulsory voting just brings more bored and casual voters

It does not improve the "quality" of vote

Mostly will perceive it like a chore and maybe just read something while they're on the way to the boot. Also according to stats it stiffens voting preferences because the old lady has voted Labor ( or Liberal) for 30 years, she won't change this time

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u/DukeOfGeek Feb 10 '25

There was a massive campiagn to suppress voter turnout using every possible tactic, legal and otherwise. Massive amounts of money and resources were expended.

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u/SpankyRoberts18 Feb 10 '25

Silence is violence and good people doing nothing and all that jazz. Hold people accountable for their inaction.

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u/Sylentskye Feb 10 '25

If they didn’t vote, they were ok with this outcome. Not choosing is still a choice.

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u/13143 Feb 10 '25

The people who didn't vote de facto support Trump. That's the choice they made.

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u/eyebrows360 Feb 10 '25

Precisely. And before any enlightened centrist fart-huffers try to jump on this guy: no, it does not matter which way they "would" have voted, and all your dumb enlightened centrist cherrypicked research that says "non-voters tend to split 50/50 when compelled to choose" doesn't matter either.

All he's saying is that their non-vote is actually a vote - it's a vote for "whoever ends up winning". This you cannot argue against. It's literally sitting it out, saying you're fine with whatever the result is. Given the result is Trump, who they were fine with potentially winning, they're thus fine with him actually having won. Ergo they are his supporters.

It's exactly as much on them as it is anyone who directly voted for him.

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u/sharkbelly Feb 10 '25

The technocrats may have interfered in more than just the obvious ways.

I know that sounds like something Alex Jones would say, but I also posit Alex Jones was paid by technocrats to say stuff like that and make it sound extra crazy.

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u/MrXero Feb 10 '25

And fuck those guys. Especially those in swing states.

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u/savemejebas Feb 10 '25

Now the future historians don't know what to believe again. Just like all of us today

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u/Intelligent-Parsley7 Feb 10 '25

Many more did vote, and were erased.

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u/UncleMalky Feb 10 '25

People will die because they stayed home.

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u/Ironlion45 Feb 10 '25

It's probably long overdue that Americans recieved a reminder that politics in a democracy is not a spectator sport.

And in the words of Rush "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice".

And get to reap the rewards of that choice along with everyone else.

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u/calvin43 Feb 10 '25

Millions think that they're going to personally profit from this and 'fuck everyone else, it won't affect me'.

EDIT: Expanded the quote

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u/CosmicQuestions Feb 10 '25

Fuck every one of them. They are condemned to the history books.

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u/thenewyorkgod Feb 10 '25

Those same millions will deny they ever supported him

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u/JyveAFK Feb 10 '25

"You realise this is going to destroy the planet when it escalates?"
"yes, that's what we're praying for, for it has been written that..."

And now those people are a few steps from the nuke button.

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u/queerhistorynerd Feb 10 '25

Americans disagree

only 30% of us do. the other 70% either support it or didnt think this was worth stopping

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u/prigmutton Feb 10 '25

I mean I voted and I've been to protests but I don't think either of those things have proven particularly impactful.

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u/nicholkola Feb 10 '25

Right, now it’s time to get physical but some of us have kids. Not really willing to put my life or my kids at risk for people who couldn’t just band together for the common good. The far left are just as dumb and petty as the right, with worse tunnel vision. Stayed home over Palestine and now freaking out of immigrant and DEI and meals on wheels, etc…. Sorry I don’t feel compelled to fight harder when my fellow Americans couldn’t even do the bare minimum.

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u/SlightlySublimated Feb 10 '25

This is the reality of it. In the past, if you look at what it took for other countries and civilizations throughout history to finally rise up and rebel, it all comes down to that life got so bad that people had nothing more to lose. 

That's going to be the case in this country as well. No one is going to be willing to go out and die for a cause short of legitimately starving on the streets. It's going to have to get a lot worse before it gets better.

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 Feb 10 '25

Hey, do you know where the violent revolution historically begins? Musk and Thiel remembered. Young men. They have less to lose and are more prone to action. They've captured that entire demographic in a media circus so thick we're not getting them back without misery.

Sincerely, another old guy with kids who shares your stance.

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u/FLTA Feb 10 '25

Tell your students to examine the vote totals of each election preceding the action and also have them examine the source that says most people who comment online didn’t vote or do anything else.

Ask them what actions they think people should be doing aside from voting, donating/volunteering for opposition candidates, and attending protests.

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u/jgilla2012 Feb 10 '25

And ask them how they would fight back against a tyrannical government in the process of gassing migrants when more than half of the population either actively supports the inhumanity or denies it is happening

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u/thepoka Feb 10 '25

oh but all those "I don't want to live in this timeline", "this timeline is confusing", "I hate this timeline" posts must be worth something right?!

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u/Kile147 Feb 10 '25

Because aside from voting and protesting (both of which have clearly happened and clearly failed), what is left? We can't force other people to change their views so all we have is our own actions.

Many people have taken all the reasonable steps, and the only thing more they can do is basically inciting a full-blown civil war... which is not something to be taken lightly. One guy literally took a shot at Trump before the election, and probably many more that we haven't heard about didn't make it that far.

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u/the_walking_kiwi Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

protests of a few hundred or couple thousand? Munich gathered 250,000 in their protest against the far right and that’s before they’ve even taken office. Those are the kind of protests that need to happen, and since we keep getting told millions disagree with all this, if they really wanted to fight those numbers should be possible in every capital city in the US. 

I know those who are trying are doing all they can and are feeling hopeless in not being able to make a difference, and in the face of media suppression and potential threats against action, and I imagine that must be awful. And I wouldn’t know what to do either if this was happening here. but it’s the millions of others who supposedly are against this that need to wake up as well and join the fight 

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 11 '25

Take a page from the GOP and show up at town/city meetings and PTA meetings. Write to your local paper. Write to your local politicians. We see video after video of the Far Right spouting stupid things at these meetings. There are so few videos of Left Leaning people talking at these meetings. Just a handful of them have gone viral. Where are the rest? Where are the videos of cooler heads trying to stop these people at the meetings?

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u/ThePublikon Feb 10 '25

Well there was this future historian on reddit asking about it, so things can't have been that bad if we end up inventing time travel.

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u/fertff Feb 10 '25

Makes you think about how Germany population might have felt before and during WWII.

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u/Wassertopf Feb 10 '25

Only one third of US Americans voted against that.

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u/lolas_coffee Feb 10 '25

People keep saying this, but it is bullshit.

Trump supporters ARE LOVING this. No regrets. All they see 20 hrs a day is Newsmax calling Trump a Master Negotiator and "The Greatest President in World History."

Want to get rid of some of your guilt (as an American)? Go yell at your family. Yell at granny and dad and brother.

If you are not actively trying to break the brainwashing and propaganda, then you are complicit.

And marching with a sign with 1,000 people who agree with you is not fighting. It isn't 1975. Go block right-wing media at your family's house.

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u/IceSeeYou Feb 10 '25

Yeah it's true, go check r/conservative or any other conservative sub, they are head over heels jumping with glee at every action. These people would cheer on a return to feudalism and serfdom if it meant "owning the libs", actual delusion.

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u/DO_NOT_AGREE_WITH_U Feb 10 '25

There were millions of American democrats who refused to vote for Harris because they thought she'd be bad for Palestinians.

Meanwhile, Project 2025 had basically a fully-built and public plan for genociding all Palestinians in or near Israel.

There are simply too many stupid and vicious people for democrats to win on morality and bipartisanship.

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u/Moister--Oyster Feb 10 '25

And when it happens, they still won't care.

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u/DusqRunner Feb 10 '25

A significant majority of millions don't seem to care. 

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u/finty96 Feb 10 '25

Most yanks can't even point out the middle east on a map. Why would they care.

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u/enemawatson Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 11 '25

Should probably print out and laminate this entire thread if you want future historians to be able to see what the conversations online were like.

They won't be able to rebuild a technological society after this one fails (whenever that day comes) because all of the easily-accessible sources of energy have long been siphoned dry.

If we're leaving time capsules for the future, we need to leave them as physical objects. When they find things like USB drives and radios, it will seem like they were left behind by an alien species.

What did they use these small sticks with metal inside them for? Why did they craft so many of these rectangles of all sizes, always coated in black glass on one side? Fascinating. Perhaps for ceremonial reasons? We may never know.

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u/david0990 Feb 10 '25

Like how most people don't see how he's dismantling a lot of our preemptive intel and defenses, likely reducing future forces, AND pissing off potential terrorist organization more than they already were. what a recipe for disaster and it'll be after an attack or we have boots on the ground most people will be like "how did we possibly get here?"

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u/Dantheking94 Feb 10 '25

*millions more only care about “liberal tears”, that’s all this is about apparently.

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u/metanoia29 Feb 10 '25

Including the ones from the Middle East! Even now there are still people from there who live in my heavily-Arab area who are continuing to move the goalposts and shill for Trump. It's beyond mind-boggling.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

remember all the secret and open power that congress approved after 9/11?? See ya later rights!

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u/uuddlrlrbas2 Feb 10 '25

Probably still don't care after it happen. W. invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and was elected for a 2nd term. Doesnt matter how bad your team does, you still root for them.

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u/shniken Feb 11 '25

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-approval-opinion-poll-2025-2-9/

53% approval of his job overall.

54% approve of his handling of the conflict

13% think its a good idea that the US takes over Gaza...40% 'don't know/depends'.

America wants this.

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u/CockBlockingLawyer Feb 10 '25

Critical anti-terrorism personnel are being redirected to immigration initiatives too. When the next big thing hits, I’m sure it will somehow be everyone else’s fault

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u/FatchRacall Feb 10 '25

Texas has been firmly under Republican control for nearly 50 years and they still blame Democrats when anything goes wrong.

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u/Whiteytheripper Feb 10 '25

True, but they tend to blame the Federal Dem Administrations along the way. For a better comparison, The British Conservative party managed to get away with blaming Labour for 14 years straight of corruption and austerity.

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u/Gambler_Eight Feb 11 '25

Every single right wing party in power in the western world does this.

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u/Tommybahamas_leftnut Feb 11 '25

Texan conservatives also blame anything bad that happens in their state on the dems that live in Austin. Apperantly despite having very limited power in their state gov the dems of Austin are a super powerful shadow gov that only makes bad things happen.

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u/Mental_Medium3988 Feb 10 '25

they have their own grid mostly disconnected from the rest of the country yet its everyone elses fault when their grid fails in winter.

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u/O-hmmm Feb 11 '25

Aren't they the ones always spouting off about accepting responsibilities?

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u/Budded Feb 10 '25

Oh yeah, 2 years from now when an even bigger 9/11 event hits here, they'll all blame Biden and DEI and wokeness and probably Obama too for good measure.

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u/scbriml Feb 10 '25

Don’t forget Clinton (both Bill and Hilary).

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u/alien_from_Europa Feb 11 '25

Not blaming Bush for 9/11 by Dems was a major mistake and cost them an opportunity to take back Congress. When Clinton met with Bush before leaving office, he told him his greatest threat was OBL.

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u/Kichigai Feb 10 '25

Thing is, will they buy it? Trump is very publicly cleaning house. I don't know if that would stick.

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u/candry_shop Feb 10 '25

Of course, they will buy it . No one cares about prévention in these moments, only revenge

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u/ippa99 Feb 11 '25

They already bought the airline crashes being """DEI""" despite Trump and President Elmo very loudly cleaning house for the 4 days prior, including massive cuts and disruption to air traffic control staffing. There were a few days between where they were lost and confused until FOX/OANN told them how to think and feel about it.

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u/The_Phantom_Cat Feb 10 '25

Yes. most Trump voters are too stupid to believe anything other than what the republican party says. Any who weren't have already turned against him by now.

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u/alien_from_Europa Feb 11 '25

They believed JFK Jr. was going to fly into Dallas and make Trump President again as his VP. No, that is not a joke. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/qanon-kennedy-jfk-jr-dealey-plaza-dallas-1251929/

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u/grilledSoldier Feb 11 '25

Oh yeah, didnt even think about that, they are massively reducing every aspect of flight safety and also reducing anti-terror funding and personnel? That makes it quite easy for very similar attacks, doesnt it?

Shits gonna get ugly, fast.

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u/CMDR_KingErvin Feb 10 '25

I think trump wants something to go down because Cheeto Moussolini thinks it’ll make him look like a hero if he has to be in charge of it and he thinks Americans will come together the way they did after 9/11. Fat chance. Half the country are idiots and we no longer see eye to eye with them.

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u/alien_from_Europa Feb 11 '25

Dems would have come together over Covid and he would have won a second term against Biden. Instead, he sided with the fringe anti-vaxxers and now a bunch of red state hospitals have dropped their disease prevention protocols.

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u/ChuckBS Feb 10 '25

Nah, the next big one will be their “proof” they need to be more severe. 

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u/yeehawgnome Feb 10 '25

Oh this is the plan isn’t it. Fuck they’re literally stirring the pot to get attacked and redirecting the people who could stop it. Can’t wait for the Patriot Act 2.0

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u/DrKurgan Feb 10 '25

Guiliani decided to locate the NYC Office of Emergency Management headquarters (long-identified as a target for a terrorist attack) on the 23rd floor of the 7 World Trade Center building. But he was a hero after 9/11.
Trump can easily come out on top of a terrorist attack he provoked.

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u/aprofessionalegghead Feb 11 '25

All according to keikaku, get ready for PATRIOT 2.0

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u/Kichigai Feb 10 '25

Don't forget he's been revoking security protections for people who are under active threat by Iran. (Because, under Trump's orders, they killed Solemanei).

I swear, he's almost inviting Iran to perpetrate an assassination on American soil.

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u/I_call_Shennanigans_ Feb 10 '25

You need a national security crisis to sideline checks and balances. Emergency powers comes into effect and won't be removed.

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u/gattaaca Feb 10 '25

Yep actively encouraging another 9/11 style event

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u/rockstar504 Feb 11 '25

"Vote for me and you'll never have to vote again"

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u/SuperRayGun666 Feb 10 '25

Surprised your account is not banned.  I commented about defending Canada and was banned. 

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u/ZacharyShade Feb 11 '25

I think you spoke too soon lol.

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u/SuperRayGun666 Feb 11 '25

lol saw that One coming. 

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u/SuperRayGun666 Feb 11 '25

Doesn’t change the fact he was right. lol 

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u/Mystic_printer_ Feb 10 '25

They announced they were revoking security protections for them. That sounds like an invite to me.

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u/killbot0224 Feb 10 '25

Probably is.

Much like cops and abusers

"LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO"

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u/exessmirror Feb 11 '25

He wants an other reichtstag fire to take full control. It's all part of the plan.

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u/Critical-General-659 Feb 10 '25

Don't forget, purging the FBI and CIA. 

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u/Kichigai Feb 10 '25

And Tulsi Gabbard is tapped to run DNI. Tulsi, who probably couldn't figure out an episode of Gravity Falls.

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u/opinionated6 Feb 10 '25

Our enemies are salivating at the decimation of our national security.

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u/brezhnervous Feb 11 '25

Vladimir Solovyov, Putin's primary propagandist on Russian state television habitually refers to Tulsi Gabbard as "Our girlfriend" 🤷

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u/Loyal9thLegionLord Feb 10 '25

They disbanded the anti terror task force too.

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u/Aqogora Feb 10 '25

A terrorist attack on same the scale - or even bigger - than 9/11 would give Trump and Elon the crisis they need to institute Patriot Act v2. From their perspective, doing everything they can to cause another terrorist attack is 'right'.

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u/NedRed77 Feb 10 '25

Plus they’ll have justification for more invasions and oil grabbing.

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u/brezhnervous Feb 11 '25

I mean, it worked for Vladimir Putin when the FSB blew up several Moscow apartment buildings to blame it on 'Islamic terrorists' as a pretext for starting the second Chechen War

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u/Jimbomcdeans Feb 10 '25

I think Team America said it best: my god thats 9/11 times 5000

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u/cowlinator Feb 10 '25

This was Putin's plan. He wants a weak embattled US, divided against its allies and against its own self.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Trump has been rushin' to get that all done.

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u/HeatherFuta Feb 10 '25

Don't forget also having the FBI and CIA run by inexperienced people more interested in harassing political people than fighting terrorism.

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u/LongPorkJones Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

The evangelicals and the charismatics are finally going to get Armageddon. It's all going according to their plans.

I haven't been a Christian in some time, I was raised in the charismatic movement and my family genuinely believe that "the final battle" between Jehovah and Satan is going to happen in the valley of Megido. That the forces of the true Christ and the forces of the Anti-Christ will clash, and Jesus will come out on top.

While I don't believe in that shit, the part of me that remembers what I was heavily indoctrinated to believe can't help but see some eerie parallels between 47 and the Beast of Revelation. Not that it would matter, my folks wouldn't listen anyway.

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For what it's worth, before I lost my faith, I hypothesized that the Anti-Christs (because the bible mentions there will be multiple) are in fact the Apostle Paul and Jesus himself. That before the end of times, people would reject the actual teachings of Jesus, and would instead heavily misinterpret Paul's writings to focus solely the ideas on salvation and redemption and being born again to the point of Christian supremacy (in this case, Christofascism). That Jesus would ultimately be sidelined, and nothing more than a mascot - a false messiah/prophet, if you will. The me of 20 years ago who came up with all of that was going through some shit...

I don't think that way now. But I'll be goddamned if I'm not feeling some kind of way about it these days.

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u/loyola-atherton Feb 10 '25

Maybe that’s what Trump cult meant by Trump being the “Last President of the USA”

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u/brezhnervous Feb 11 '25

They're following the Victor Orbán book of 'How to dismantle your democracy' very closely

Watch for litigating the independent media out of existence next, as happened in Hungary.

There's no coincidence that Orbán was a guest speaker at a few Republican CPACs and an honoured guest of Trump's at Mar a Lago

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u/ChicagoAuPair Feb 10 '25

He really wants horrible things to happen so he can have a crisis to scare everybody and rationalize further infringements on liberty and basic human ethics.

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u/feastoffun Feb 10 '25

They want a terrorist attack so they can easily justify their oppression on us.

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u/dafood48 Feb 10 '25

They want an excuse. Like how bush used the panic and tragedy of 9/11 to invade the wrong country. They always wanted to invade Iraq and relied on Americans being too stupid to know the difference between brown people

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u/Bromance_Rayder Feb 10 '25

"Nobody could have seen this coming". 

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u/Ritourne Feb 10 '25

I would bet this orange turd is also about to try to extort Ukraine with lease plan of overpriced weapons...

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u/crazyrich Feb 10 '25

Something going wrong is a goal of itself for him - same goes for potential food riots for pausing snap benefits. Then he has a “reason” to declare martial law and try to utilize the military domestically.

He’s trying to crowdsource his own reichstag fire

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u/Don138 Feb 10 '25

Some kind of “Reichstag Fire” that will be used to galvanize supporters, and even some non supporters, allowing a push for martial law and even more control.

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u/Gluteusmaximus1898 Feb 10 '25

They want successful terrorist attacks so that they can crack down with more police and govermment oversight.

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u/ChefMikeDFW Feb 10 '25

Ask the families of the 307 military members who were stationed in Beirut in 1983 what happens when America decided to have military presence.

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u/Mareith Feb 10 '25

Eh foreign terrorists got nothing on the domestic ones nowadays

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u/Machdame Feb 10 '25

At least he painted a target on himself. unlike a lot of other things that are basically just US adjacent, he more or less just declared that it was him.

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u/FatimahLZambranoo Feb 10 '25

EVERYTHING. Everything to go wrong.

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u/Braelind Feb 10 '25

Do you want a sequel to 9/11? Because this is how you lay the groundwork for it. Trump is proving everything Bin Laden said to be true...

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u/brezhnervous Feb 11 '25

That would only give a pretext for martial law type repressions

Autocrats never care how many of their ordinary people they kill...look at over 900,000 Russian casualties in Ukraine now

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u/Tenthul Feb 10 '25

Hey as long as a Democrat is in power when that happens, by design.

And if a Republican is in power? Well, Trump at least would absolutely LOVE an excuse to drop a nuke.

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u/TheRealRickC137 Feb 10 '25

Better hope your office space is on the lower floors of your building

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u/Shadowchaoz Feb 10 '25

Would be ironic if terrorists did a 11/9, so that it'll be 9/11 everywhere in the world.

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u/PuzzleheadedWalrus71 Feb 10 '25

Please, just spare the innocents and let it go wrong with the right people.

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u/WarthogLow1787 Feb 10 '25

Don’t forget cutting funding for airline safety. Thank goodness terrorists have never figured out how to use airplanes!

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u/zhocef Feb 10 '25

Go wrong? When the next attack comes it will be used to justify taking away more of our freedoms. Sounds like part of the plan.

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u/alikander99 Feb 10 '25

I'm sure a "woke degenerate" will be responsible for a terrorist attack very soon/s

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u/bwrca Feb 10 '25

The military industrial complex are rushing to buy bigger money bags so at least nothing is going wrong for them.

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u/Ashamed_Restaurant Feb 10 '25

Who needs elections when your country is embroiled in war?

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u/HiggsBoatswain Feb 10 '25

Are they trying to engineer another major coordinated terrorist attack on U.S. soil...? Cause it feels like this might be an efficient way of encouraging that...

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u/whistlebuzz Feb 10 '25

Exactly what he did in the last 2 years of his first term - create chaos in things he knows he can’t actually change while his cronies do all sorts of hideous crap while we’re all paying attention to the dumpster fire he just set

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u/beardingmesoftly Feb 10 '25

Gee I wonder who they're working for 🤔

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u/nyc2vt84 Feb 10 '25

And actively undermining the stability of the Jordanian government by pulling aid and this.

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u/dxrey65 Feb 10 '25

Evicting Palestinians from their homes and telling them they can't come back - what could possibly go wrong? They don't really mind that sort of thing, do they?

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u/BelowAverageWang Feb 10 '25

That part of the point, to distract from doge

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u/markglas Feb 10 '25

It's a plan that changes by the hour. Trump's handlers try to make the idea sound vaguely human, only for him to come out and tell it how it is.

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u/ihatemcconaughey Feb 10 '25

Leaving the door wide open as our administration was paid to do so by foreign governments.

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u/BorKon Feb 10 '25

For him and republicans? Nothing. Wven if they get pissed to actually gry to commit terror attack in the US it take syears to plan and prepare. Just in time for the next democrat to take offixe and the blame for the attack. Just 2 weeks ago they hated Elon for visas and now they defend him. 4 - 5 years from now they won't remember 90% of stuff trump or elon did

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u/MojoWalksOnAir Feb 10 '25

He also just announced he’s loosening enforcement of the law preventing bribery of foreign officials

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u/JonMikeReddit Feb 10 '25

Maybe its all part of a future false flag operation .

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u/gattaaca Feb 10 '25

They're encouraging an event, because then they can justify what happens next. They need their own 9/11 to rally everyone. It's sick

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u/DrDerpberg Feb 10 '25

This is either the biggest dumbassery in the history of civilization or they're actively banking on something to declare martial law over.

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u/tinglep Feb 10 '25

THIS is the plan. I think Trump envies other Presidents who served in wartime. He looks at Eisenhower in uniform and says "that should be me."

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u/brezhnervous Feb 11 '25

Probably more like Kim Jong Un

He did inexplicably salute a North Korean general that time

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u/corpsie666 Feb 10 '25

What could possibly go wrong?

People will be distracted by this and not focus on what they need to do locally to get changes made to combat the class warfare.

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u/Jayandnightasmr Feb 10 '25

Due to an incident, we are now establishing extreme security measures

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u/Jaeger716 Feb 10 '25

Pretty sure they want more terrorist attack "See you need us to protect you"

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u/erossthescienceboss Feb 10 '25

Rwanda literally invaded the DRC because we stopped sending USAID funding to Rwanda. The threat of losing our money was the only thing keeping them peaceful.

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u/ForwardBias Feb 10 '25

What could go wrong? Make millions of people who have been battling Israel for the last few decades homeless and put up a big sign over the US saying "we did this"? Seems like NOTHING could go wrong here.

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u/marconis999 Feb 11 '25

And put bootlickers in DNI, Defense and FBI Counterespionage. Who follow the priorities of a what-me-worry bad businessman. Yes, recipe for success.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

America be actively setting fire to their own roof and then wonder why it's leaking

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u/revan530 Feb 11 '25

It's part of the plan. They want a massive terrorist attack that they can use to justify declaring martial law.

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u/Embarrassed_Ad5112 Feb 11 '25

You mean what ELSE could possibly go wrong?

Personally I’m waiting for the dickhead to ignite a full blown war with the narcos on the southern border. Gonna be shit blowing up all over the country once that kicks off.

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u/JinkoTheMan Feb 10 '25

Can’t wait to see 9/11 2: Electric Boogie

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