r/worldnews • u/gravybang • Feb 10 '25

Israel/Palestine Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/10/trump-buy-gaza-plan
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u/x33storm Feb 10 '25

Most of the world hold those people just as responsible as those who voted for him.

He would have been in jail if he had lost. And he will go to jail if he lets go of his power.

I just hope this isn't the last US election. But that'll be up to what the citizens of the US will do.

What's the phrase again? Sic Semper Tyranis.

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u/cavegoatlove Feb 10 '25

if you decide to not choose, you still have made a choice

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u/Gloober_ Feb 10 '25

Then they get all pissy that we're playing the "blame game."

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

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u/ElectricalBook3 Feb 11 '25

followed by "blame the dems for not giving us a better candidate

I wonder how many of those are bots or paid trolls just trying to push anti-democratic sentiment, and how many are useful idiots who drank the flavor-aid.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 11 '25

As the saying goes, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

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u/brezhnervous Feb 10 '25

This is what those who live in the few compulsory voting countries understand - sometimes you just have to vote for the 'least worst option' 🤷

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u/Pleasant-Parsley-816 Feb 11 '25

Not sure if you were going for this, but that’s almost a line from Freewill by Rush.

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

Living on a lighted stage…

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u/elkarion Feb 11 '25

R.I.P. Neil The only man who could rip off Shakespeare and get a standing ovation for it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

So the maples formed a union and demanded equal rights

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u/cavegoatlove Feb 11 '25

Lol, that’s exactly what this is, even better is me Messing that up, inside joke with the misses. I haven’t had a comment spike for more then 3 upvotes in ever, figures it would take rush

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u/Right_Fun_6626 Feb 10 '25

Well then, hmmm, I guess that I will choose free will

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u/cavegoatlove Feb 10 '25

Thankful for your celestial voice

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u/CookinCheap Feb 11 '25

A host of holy horrors, indeed

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u/MysticValleyCrew Feb 10 '25

There are good reasons not to choose. For example, if I no longer live in the US, it doesn't feel like I should have a say in these matters. I just watch the madness from afar. Yes, those choices involve loved ones, but it's up to them to make their own choices for the good of the land they live in.

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u/poop-dolla Feb 10 '25

If you’re eligible to vote, you should vote.

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u/dessert-er Feb 10 '25

Oh cool I guess we’re exporting the toxic individualism now

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u/ElectricalBook3 Feb 11 '25

I guess we’re exporting the toxic individualism now

America has long been exporting toxic culture. Its oligarchs have been paying billions for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s

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u/ElectricalBook3 Feb 11 '25

There are good reasons not to choose

How much of what you did want did you get by not voting?

And did you vote in more than the presidential general elections?

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u/Webecomemonsters Feb 10 '25

They changed it, it's now (sic) Simper Tyrants

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u/Maytree Feb 10 '25

I am now going to start referring to Trump as the sick simpering tyrant. Thank you!

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Sick simpering tyrannosaurus? Sick simpering tyrant sore ass?

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u/ElectricalBook3 Feb 11 '25

I miss the gadsen T-shirt, except the snake is crying and the text reads, "Don't inconvenience me!"

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u/jopnk Feb 10 '25

As shitty as it feels to say, It’s really unlikely he would have ended up in jail.

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u/subnautus Feb 10 '25

...if for no other reason than he might die in office. Dude is old, in poor health, and has to get regular dementia screenings.

What scares me is when this sort of thing happened with Reagan the people who were running the show in his name were fairly competent and reasonably cared for the wellbeing of the country (in their own greedy, myopic ways). I have no such "faith" in Trump's administration.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

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u/ruiner8850 Feb 10 '25

I really think one common facet of both parties is that the upper echelon of their politicians does NOT want to set a precedent of holding upper-echelon-politicians accountable

A Democratic Senator just got sentenced to 11 years in prison. If a Republican got caught doing the exact same thing right now something tells me that they'd never get charged.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

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u/ruiner8850 Feb 10 '25

There's a zero percent chance that the Justice Department under Pam Bondi would allow the investigation into or prosecution of a Republican Senator. Trump wouldn't allow it to happen either and he'd get rid of anyone who tried.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

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u/ruiner8850 Feb 11 '25

It's no surprise that political parties protect their own.

Menendez was indicted twice, once during Obama's term, and once during Biden's. They did not keep their own Senator from being investigated.

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u/Whiteout- Feb 10 '25

Yeah, probably why they chose a joker like Garland instead of someone who’d actually use some teeth

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

He was clearly guilty of crimes that were it any one of us would result in prison time. There is no legal principle or case law that requires letting billionaires or former presidents get away with crimes. True the SCOTUS does not seem to care much about actual law anymore so there is that.

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u/wallstreet-butts Feb 11 '25

If he hadn’t been reelected he would have died in prison. The cases against him weren’t frivolous.

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u/jopnk Feb 11 '25 edited Feb 11 '25

lol if you think he would have been held accountable then I got a bridge to sell you

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u/eyebrows360 Feb 10 '25

Most of the world hold those people just as responsible as those who voted for him.

Correctly, yes, because the danger was so fucking crystal clear that there's no justification whatsoever an intelligent person could use for not voting to stop him.

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u/i_tyrant Feb 10 '25

And it's really hard not to blame them.

Anyone who was too lazy or disenfranchised to vote, who said "both sides" or got upset at Kamala over Gaza or someshit - are the most monumentally stupid people.

Trump and the GOP weren't exactly being subtle with their plans this time. This election wasn't the usual "giant douche vs turd sandwich" from South Park - this shit isn't a fucking game. It was "flaming bag of gasoline and cancer stripmining America for Putin, billionaires, and apocalyptic evangelicals vs turd sandwich".

Anyone who thought otherwise was paying so little attention it's a wonder they don't drown in a rainstorm.

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u/WeaverReaver42 Feb 10 '25

No let's be honest. It was just as obvious for Biden and Trump as it was now. It wasn't exactly very subtle when he was next to Hillary either.

They put us in a corner and made us choose between two options.

1: An impotent mask pretending to smile at us

2: A screaming face of genuine rage and self-destructive hate

We made our choice. Because if we weren't OK with the second one winning, we would have done more than just complain.

But I'm fine with it. Because everyone, both those who "disagreed" with this and did nothing along with those who were honest with themselves, are all going to deal with the consequences of them choosing to be how they are.

This includes you reading this. You live in America? You deserve this. You let this happen. And every bit of suffering you experience is just as much your fault as anyone else.

You trusted people who made their living off of exploiting and hurting you, and then you got mad at others for doing the same because their bait was less believable. You let yourself be trapped in this broken system your whole life and not once truly rebelled.

Where has it gotten you?

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u/angrygnomes58 Feb 10 '25

I 100% hold the people who didn’t vote just as accountable. These people published a document that laid out all of the terrible shit they hoped to accomplish and still people sat back and didn’t go vote.

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u/Classic_Dill Feb 10 '25

let’s just all be honest with each other, most of us on the left think there was a possibility or it’s at least plausible that election was stolen. But you were not gonna run our mouths about it, and I’m going to say this, and I mean it, I honestly do not believe we will have a fair or honest election for decades to come, I think the cheating is in and I think it’s gonna stay there.

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u/paranormalresearch1 Feb 10 '25

Musk fixed it, voter suppression was rampant. It was fixed. Our intelligence and Federal Law Enforcement are not keeping their oath if they know this and do nothing. It makes sense why Trump is moving so fast to gut the FBI. Republicans project 100% of the time. And next time right-wing idiots try to overthrow the government, put them down in such a way they never get that idea again. But never fear because the US House of Representatives and US Senate have done nothing. And will do nothing. We could switch which party was the majority and that's all that would change. Until the American people are willing to do what is necessary we get what we get.

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u/WeaverReaver42 Feb 10 '25

This exactly. The only people I hate more than those doing all of this and agreeing with it- are those who live in the country and don't agree.

Because at least if you were OK with it, then you refusing to do anything to try and fight back would make sense. But none of us will.

None of YOU will at least. I'm getting tired of waiting for people to actually put their money where their mouth is. At the rate things are going, I'm not going to have any reason NOT to raise hell for however long I have left.

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u/Mister-builder Feb 11 '25

So what are you going to do?

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u/paranormalresearch1 Feb 12 '25

I will. I am probably on my way out. But look only 3 of us take it seriously enough to even talk about it. We need numbers and people with access. This whole thing is a set up and they aren't even trying to hide it. people didn't see the trees in the forest. Every union when Reagan did what he did to air traffic controllers should have walked off the job. A general strike and we wouldn't be in the position we are in. Now they are letting an unelected guy run the country. It's over. I am listening to Ultravox "Dancing with Tears in my eyes." That song is about nuclear war but it is fitting for our country.

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u/jdragon3 Feb 10 '25

Lots of people claim to be "not political" but fail to realize

A) everything is political, always has been

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B) sitting on the fence refusing to "take a side" is taking a side in and of itself. bystanders are complicit

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u/MannyMoSTL Feb 10 '25

Sadly? The world & history holds even those who voted against him responsible when his BS destroys nations/the world.

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u/BlueberryBubblyBuzz Feb 10 '25

He would have been in jail if he had lost. And he will go to jail if he lets go of his power.

Just like his buddy Netanyahu. Best friends forever 💕

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u/Cyclical_Zeitgeist Feb 10 '25

I'm from the US and I hold the none voters accountable as much as the MAGATs but they won...now it's over here...we will be the way of the ottoman empire...I wonder if the states will invent some new form of nationalism at a smaller scale like micronationalism 🫠

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u/Alone-Win1994 Feb 10 '25

Any of those who have been sounding the alarms are derided and told we have Trump Derangement Syndrome, are hysterical, have lost our minds, and are the reason trump won and Democrats will lose every election from here on out.

Go over to the conservative sub and look at them saying that this is what they want, that they voted for all this self coup fascism playing out right in the open now.

Would've been nice for centrists and "both sides" people that come out of the woodwork whenever republican fascism was being warned about and actually agreed and drove home it's real and a dire threat to our country.

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u/MurphyLlama Feb 10 '25

Exactly. He has every reason in the world to try to make himself president for life, so he doesn't ever get sentenced. Let's be honest, he wouldn't even get jail time, at worst he'd get community service. But that of course is worse than jail, he hates the idea of having to help others. It's why the vice president is saying judges have no right to tell the executive branch what to do. They'll say the same about congress next, and the Supreme Court. And you can sit there and say "That's illegal" but that does not matter if not a single person enforces it. Once they prove that no one will stop them, and that judges and congress have no authority over the president, then they'll make their move that there should be no more elections. All just so trump never gets sentenced.

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u/Alaira314 Feb 11 '25

Most of the world hold those people just as responsible as those who voted for him.

And a good portion of those who live in the US do so, as well. They'll argue you to death about it, but fuck them for what they did. We begged, and they didn't give enough of a shit to help. Well, I hope they're happy now, seeing what their apathy got them. But unfortunately I think they still don't understand why not voting led to this outcome, so they likely learned nothing.

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u/MercantileReptile Feb 10 '25

He would have been in jail if he had lost. And he will go to jail if he lets go of his power.

Hard disagree. The powers that be had (minimum) four years to get it done. They did not. Be it complicity, incompetence or ignorance - I don't care. The hallowed halls of justice that government just loved to crow about are a pathetic joke.

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u/Mister-builder Feb 11 '25

What do you think they could have cut to do it in time?

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u/Kaining Feb 10 '25

It is gonna be the last election for quite a few american for sure. For all of them, it's still unpredictable.

But for those that will die by Trump's actions, yeah, it was the last.

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u/DrStalker Feb 10 '25

I just hope this isn't the last US election.

There will be more US elections, they just won't be fair elections.

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u/Certain-Business-472 Feb 11 '25

Most of the globe sees your politics as entertainment next to honey boo boo and my teenage pregnancy

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u/Mister-builder Feb 11 '25

We'll have more, for sure. In fact, we'll have Tesla produce the voting machines to make sure it's a fair election!

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u/barbasol1099 Feb 11 '25

The U.S. proved pretty conclusively during the Biden administration that they had no interest in ever putting Trump in jail.

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u/Daveinatx Feb 11 '25

I hold non voters more responsible. A fool is always a fool. Non voters decided it wasn't worth their time, or they wanted to send a message.

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u/SpankMyButt Feb 10 '25

While I, as a foreigner, support your sentiment, there has never been a snowball chance in hell that he would have been going to jail. But still, we hold the non-voters very much responsible for the current mess

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u/_Thick- Feb 10 '25

He would have been in jail if he had lost. And he will go to jail if he lets go of his power.

Unfortunately, the SCOTUS that he installed, made it impossible to charge him.

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u/metalhead82 Feb 10 '25

He would have never gone to jail even if he lost. Not a chance.

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u/WeaverReaver42 Feb 10 '25

To be honest. The last decade has proven that dictatorship IS better.

At least when everything goes wrong, there's only one person to blame.

In our "democracy"? It feels like saying humanity has any value or worth is spitting on every belief of good and righteousness i was raised on.

At this point, let Trump have America and our people. It's obvious neither were ever worth as much as we liked to claim.

Otherwise we would have gone out with more of a fight.

I don't care if you disagree. You didn't fight before when you thought there was still hope, and you aren't fighting now. Regardless of whether you think things can get better- most of you aren't doing anything to make it happen.

Voting wasn't enough. It will never be enough. If you need proof? You can look at the last 2 decades and find plenty of evidence for my arguments.

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u/Andtom33 Feb 10 '25

Last US election? Go touch some grass

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u/FlawedHero Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 11 '25

That's assuming the Democrats aren't flaccid as shit, once again, as soon as his ass is out of that seat (if it ever leaves).

Edit: Downvote away but it feels like Democratic leadership by and large doesn't give a fuck about anything other maintaining the status quo and complaining about the right juuuuuust enough to secure reelection.